Eliot Spitzer Scandal Inspires Plethora of Jokes and Parody Songs


Perhaps New York Governor Eliot Spitzer believes he can weather the firestorm over his scandal about his patronizing of a high-class prostitution ring. However, he is battling an element that will keep his scandal alive in the public more than the usual political scandal---humor. Spitzer's breaking scandal is less than a day old and already the media and the blogosphere is filled with many jokes and parody songs about his situation. Even many liberals are laughing at Spitzer since the humor generated by a self-righteous politician involved in a sleazy scandal involving a prostitution ring is just too hard to ignore. David Letterman led off his show with several jokes on this subject:

Do you think it’s too soon to be hitting on Mrs. Eliot Spitzer?

Did you happen to see the press conference? Very dramatic. Eliot Spitzer was there. He had yellow crime scene tape draped around his pants – crazy.

The thinking now is that the governor may step down now to spend less time with his family.

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Of course, Letterman later followed up with his Top 10 Eliot Spitzer Excuses. Jay Leno also joined in the joke-cracking fun:

They found the source of all global warming in America: Eliot Spitzer’s pants…

...Hillary Clinton is now only the second angriest woman in the State of New York.”

Stephen Colbert weighed in with this:

Now, the governor was supposed to give a press conference today at 2:15 p.m. but a whole hour passed before he spoke. To be fair, it is daylight savings time and the governor usually has a prostitute change his clocks.

Not to be outdone by the professional comedians, the online song parodists came up with their own material about Eliot Spitzer. One such effort came from conservative song parodist, dougfromupland, who came up with this parody song video about Love Client #9 set to the tune of Love Potion #9.

Finally, song parodist and co-host of the DUmmie FUnnies, Charles Henrickson, who is involved in a bit of friendly competion with Rush Limbaugh's parodist, Paul Shanklin, came up with another Eliot Spitzer song parody titled, Prostitutin' the Spitz set to the tune of Puttin' on the Ritz:

If you're guv
And wish you knew
Where to get love
Why don't you do
Like hypocrites
Prostitutin' Spitz

Girls with names
You find out after
Play their games
And soon you hafta
Call it quits
Prostitutin' Spitz

Hooked up with a thousand-dollar hooker
Now you're stuck inside the pressure cooker
Lookin' snookered

Call-girl tricks
Of pure excitement
Pay for kicks
With your indictment
Paging Fitz
Prosecutin' Spitz

Have you seen the prostitute
Chargin' high and lookin' cute
You're a famous VIP
Now we write your RIP
Phone calls
And wiretapping
Net falls
It's you they're trapping
Spendin' lots of cash
For a thrill and a rash

If you're guv
And wish you knew
Where to get love
Why don't you do
Like hypocrites
Prostitutin' Spitz

Girls with names
You find out after
Play their games
And soon you hafta
Call it quits
Prostitutin' Spitz

Hooked up with a thousand-dollar hooker
Now you're stuck inside the pressure cooker
Lookin' snookered

Call-girl tricks
Of pure excitement
Pay for kicks
With your indictment
Paging Fitz
Prosecutin' Spitz

(Wiretapdancing)

Hooked up with a thousand-dollar hooker
Now you're stuck inside the pressure cooker
Lookin' snookered

If you're guv
And wish you knew
Where to get love
Why don't you do
Like hypocrites
Prostitutin' Spitz
Prostitutin' Spitz
Prostitutin' Spitz
Prostitutin' Spitz

Almost as big a mystery of how Eliot Spitzer could be so stupid as to get himself him involved with a prostitution ring is how humble Lutheran pastor Henrickson seems to know so much about the subject of prostitution.

—P.J. Gladnick is a freelance writer and creator of the DUmmie FUnnies blog.


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this is a funny joke isn't

this is a funny joke isn't it

check out the giggling devastated wife next to him

what a culture we've become

I agree

I agree. There is absolutely nothing funny about this when you factor in the trauma Spitzer's behavior has brought to his wife and teenage daughters. I'm also tempted to come up with one-liners and comical schadenfreude comments, but it's a cheap laugh.

Spitzer has brought shame and dishonor to his family name and his political credibility. This will echo in their lives for a long time.

The habit of hauling up one's spouse (to create sympathy) to the confessional platform when virtually admitting having lived a secret sexual or otherwise corrupt life is so reprehensible, that words to describe it fail me.

It is sad when the guy

It is sad when the guy can't think past his own needs or wants.  Is he suddenly going to start using condoms at home and no deep kissing?  I knew at an early age that I was "sleeping" with everyone my "partner" had slept with in the past.  You pass up a few "sure things" to maintain that one sure person you made your promise to.  Spitzer forgot that.  It is very sad. 

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

It is indeed sad

It is sad indeed.

The men and women in our family have tried to live up to a standard my grandfather taught my father which my father taught to me, which I taught to my sons, which they are teaching to their sons: The very best legacy you can leave your kids is a good family name. NEVER embarrass your family by stupid behavior. Always trying to do the right thing, think before you act, take the high road. None of us do these things perfectly, for sure. But we've tried to keep my grandfather's words in mind. Money, education, property--all that is ok, but don't mean a thing compared to personal and family honor. Period.

I used to tell my boys: "Never do anything you wouldn't want me to read about on the front page of the newspaper tomorrow." And they never did. Both are doing very well, have wonderful families and well respected in their professions. (I know I'm bragging, but hey, I'm the Dad ;+}) I wish Spitzer had been my son. He would have known better than to get himself in a mess like this. (I hope!)

Yesterday

I heard Charles Krauthammer comment that making the wife attend this sort of news conference ought to be a hanging offense. A little extreme, but he makes a good point. Why does every creep caught in a sexual escapade hide behind his wife's skirts? And why doesn't the wife tell him to stand up like a man and face the music by himself?

Chain

“...Bury me on my face,” said Diogenes; and when he was asked why, he replied, “Because in a little while everything will be turned upside down.”

I heard him say that too

I heard Charles say that. I forget which program I saw McGreevy's ex (I think) spouse explain what it was like for her to be at her husband's confessional press conference. It was excruciatingly embarrassing for her. When Spitzer's wife was standing there next to her husband yesterday, she looked like she was making a hostage tape. It just broke your heart thinking what she and the daughters were, and are, and will go through because of Elliot's lousy behavior. And all of it was avoidable.

Humor is great, as long as

Humor is great, as long as it doesn't make the whole thing into a big joke and thereby take away the basic seriousness of the whole - er - affair, allowing Spitzer to skate. I reference Bill Clinton...

Chris, Why do people keep

Chris,

Why do people keep bringing up Clinton with regard to Spitzer?

What Clinton did was legal. (consentual sex with an adult)

What Spitzer did was illegal. (paying for sex with a prostitute)

Leon, common ground...

...lack of morals, integrity, faithfulness...

v

both are adultery

both are adultery

Maybe the proper analogy is sex-obsession.

It certainly trumped secrets to China for Clinton, and it might yet trump Spitzer's NY state Troopergate, too. Even though the sex-part in both cases is by comparison only comedy material, sex is again likely to get all the ink, with the more-serious corruption issue once again buried. See why people like me hear '90s echos?
JMR

PS Could you possibly give free market environmentalists like me an answer in yesterday's Open Thread? I did, after all, slam both sides (which both richly deserved it!) in my question to you. Thanks.

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Sarc, I agree the sex will

Sarc,

I agree the sex will get the ink, I just find the Clinton comparisons to be foolish.  Again, what Clinton did was perfectly legal. 

Cheating on one's wife is common.

Illegal sex with multiple $5,000/hour hookers is not.

 

But in both cases

The sex scandals overshadowed the real scandals. For those of us in the "don't give much of a crap about other people having sex" minority, it's a bit grating...
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

You're right, Leon. Clinton

You're right, Leon. Clinton lied about it to a grand jury. At least Spitzer admitted it when confronted.

Chris, Sure his lie was

Chris,

Sure his lie was illegal but his sexual act wasn't.

So why compare their sexual behavior?

Spending $5,000 an hour for hookers is a little different than sleeping with the fat chick in the office.

You're right again, Leon.

You're right again, Leon. Spitzer had sex with prfessionals. Clinton preyed on a young intern. Spitzer did it in ahotel room. Clinton did it in the Oval Office.

Chris you gotta stop

Chris you gotta stop b-slapping Leon.

v

him too... http://newsbusters.o...

Not until he stops with

Not until he stops with those old bromides: "Oh, it was consensual. It was private. No one was hurt". Grrrrr.

Chris, 1)  It was

Chris,

1)  It was consensual

2)  It was private

3)  No one was hurt (b/c Hillary has no feelings anyways)

So where exactly was I wrong?

Wow Leon

Putting the moves on a female employee half your age is no big deal?

So that explains why so many companies ban sexual interludes of any kind.

Oh, and for the record, he wasn't exactly on trial for having sex with Monica...he was on trial for sexually harrassing Paula Jones when he lied about sleeping with Monica.

If Eliot Spitzer had jumped a plane to Las Vegas and legally paid a prostitute there, you would not give a flying flip about this story, am I correct?

Candance, 1)  It's not

Candance,

1)  It's not illegal.  In fact, it happens all the time.  Ever walked down the street in LA or NYC?

2)  Some companies ban sexual interludes b/c it's unproductive and can lead to bad feelings in the office.  However, many relationships have been started in an office environment.  I can name 6 couples in my company that met after they started working together.   I'm sure others on this site can do the same. 

3)  Sexually harassing Paula Jones?  That's hilarious.  Have you ever seen that troll?  I think that's why nobody ever believed it. 

4)  Yes, b/c that would have been legal.  Bunny Ranch is a-ok in the eyes of the law.  Of course, it's wrong to cheat on his wife and family, but I don't think that's a very rare occurence these days.   

 

 

Those Johns getting busted

Those Johns getting busted on those streets in LA or NYC will tell you it is most definitely illegal.  Just because it happens, doesn't make it legal.  Per Bob and Tom, the good-looking girls are all cops.  Don't let your attraction to Bill make you think that everyone would want to go to bed with him.  Don't forget the testimony from the Jones trial revealed he wasn't too well endowed and he's shown he doesn't have any class.   

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

Hunter, I was referring

Hunter,

I was referring to men dating women half their age.

Not hookers. 

Hence the number 1.  It was in reply to Candance's first item

Nobody beleived it? Oh

Nobody beleived it?

Oh please, I believe it, a lot of people believed it. He got impeached for lying about it.

Sure Leon

And that whole part about Clinton giving government jobs to his girlfriends and having "friendly chats" with women the day before they testified, and Monica caught on tape trying to bribe Linda Tripp into silence...that was all fun and games as well.

Liberals never cease to amaze me. They throw out all moral guidelines to defend a Democrat to the death.

 

Maybe someday Leon's girlfriend/wife/concubine...

Maybe someday Leon's girlfriend/wife/concubine will "spend the night" with someone else...then let's see if "no one gets hurt"!

v

btw: I spend a lot less time now "throwing pearls before swine" with Leon, but sometimes I just can't help it...

Chris, Again, it's

Chris,

Again, it's completely different.

Regardless of how you frame it.

One act was legal, one was illegal.

That's where the discussion ends.

I can see why you would want

I can see why you would want to end the discussion. That's okay. I was getting tired of you.

Chris, It's just curious

Chris,

It's just curious that you try to compare illegal behavior to legal behavior.

Leon

Maybe it's that it was one public official doing something that was not okay, and another public official -- the POTUS, no less -- doing something that was not okay.

Both involved sex and adultery.

Both were highly scandelous.

Both involved illegality (not with regards to the behavior/act itself.)

So THESE might be the cumulative reasons "people (rightly) keep bringing up Clinton with regard to Spitzer".

FYI, what I put in quotes above was your initial question on this thread (scroll up) -- and NOT, why people keep trying to "compare illegal behavior to legal behavior".

If you're here to make a second argument, fine then.

 

* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *

For REAL Change

Mr. Shy, Thanks. You take

Mr. Shy, Thanks. You take over. I've had it with him for the day. If he can't understand why it's entirely reasonable to mention Clinton's sex scandal in talking about another sex scandal, he's too literal to even try to talk to. Perhaps he can next go on the news to explain to them they should stop bringing up Republican sex scandals when covering Spitzer because the specifics differ.

It's just curious that you

It's just curious that you try to compare the behavior of a governor to the behavior of a former governor. Can't you see that there is no relationship whatsoever between these two incidents. 

/sarc off

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

Chris & Hero

I know. Leon is imploring us to lay off the saintly President William Jefferson Clinton, who oversaw a glorious, prosperous, peaceful eight years in office. And besides, she was just some "fat chick".... oh, and....


Cheating on one's wife is common. - Leon

:)

 

* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *

For REAL Change

Oh yeah, that's right, I

Oh yeah, that's right, I didn't get to that low class reference. He dismissed the whole problem because she was the office "fat chick" - a derogatory term I thankfully haven't seen since the mullet went out. And we all know the contempt Leon holds for those weighing more than what he approves.

MrShy, I don't claim Billy

MrShy,

I don't claim Billy Boy is a saint, but I just don't see the point in bringing him up all the time.

You're living in the past. 

PS cheating on one's wife is common in America.  Quote me all you want.

Actually, there are very

Actually, there are very strict Federal guidelines for sexual misconduct for all Federal employees. Ka-noodling with a junior subordinates is not only forbidden but is cause for dismissal. Bill was in point of fact her's and everyone elses superior within the Federal system. They just never pursued that because they were focused on the lying under oath, perjury, etc. etc. So, in short, yes, it was illegal, whether she was a consenting "adult" or not. I used to have to go through the Federal sexual harassment/sexual politics class annually as a member of the military. We had lots of civilian workers so it was mandatory attendance.

What Mark Foley did was

What Mark Foley did was perfectly legal...no laws broken.  Okay in your book?  End of discussion?

»→ Galt

Age of consent is 16 in DC, isn't it?  I just figured that's why they seek out cute High School Juniors as pages.

♣ a seal

State Laws

Leon, in some states a BJ is illegal, between husband and wife!

And those laws are "respected"

Almost as much as the ones against using illegal drugs, and for the same reason.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

You're right

Legality is the only issue here. 

Certainly there is no parallels between a public persona, lying to one's wife and daughter(s), even if by omission, violating the public trust, setting oneself up as an overripe target of extortion, using the taxpayer's office (I'm assuming Spitzer will end up with such charges) in one manner or another to help with his lowlife activities.

And then there's the INCREDIBLY STUPID aspect of this.  I mean, who thought that a ditzy, 22 year old intern in the oval office would come back to cause trouble???  And what Governor could possibly imagine that sex with a prostitute, set up by a third party in a public hotel could possibly be discovered???

No reason to compare the two at all. 

But at least Spitzer didn't lie to 300 million Americans while wagging his finger at them on national TV...I'll give you that.  Oh, wait...he DID go after prostitution rings with the self-righteous zeal that usually is reserved for preachers and lawyers...sorry, that point is shot down as well.

Oh well

When the late night shows turn against him, you know he's toast.

And another joke

This time from comic Artie Lange, who will soon be entertaining US troops overseas.

"Ya know what would have been a great first line for that press conference? 'Ladies and gentlemen, I am not a gay American!'"
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

The MSM could NOT hold themselves back - -etc.

For all the Democratic Bias in the MSM, you would think they would slow play it....But no....It's a Shark Feeding Frenzy, just the type of stuff they LOVE to report on.

It's a frothing inferno of blood Sharks taking bait.

Poor Spitzer, he fits the optimum profile, Huge NY TV Audience, Major City, Top Political position, and a Black man waiting in the wings.  

He'll have to resign to stop the feeding frenzy . . . you don't want to prolong the pain.

Obama will be playing 2nd fiddle to the News Cycle coverage for awhile.

Wait, a piece of trash Dem unfaithful? No way....

If I were his wife, I would have refered to 'till death do us part'.

"If I did that to my Wife, my last memory would have been me lying in a pool of my own blood with her screaming 'How do you re-load this @%#$ thing!?'"

Melo... ROFL! Ahhh, the

Melo...

ROFL!

Ahhh, the memories of Dick Armey and his quotes you mentioned above on the House floor regarding Bill Clinton/Monica...it was priceless.

Imagine how Newt

Musta felt at the time, hearing Armey's words! ;) But I agree, that's funny.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Oh, man, Melo_met, that was

Oh, man, Melo_met, that was GREAT!

I'll be laughing at that all day!

Thanks!

Stooooooopid!!!!!

This is stupid and dangerous behavior on so many levels I can hardly begin to know where to start. I will just say it shows he lacks the critical thinking skills and judgment necessary to fill such an important position, not to mention the potential for blackmail by nefarious people some of whom he has prosecuted in the past. He controls so much of what goes on and gets done in NY, someone with this information could have literally had him by his plutz and had him doing their bidding (state contracts, etc.). What a completely boneheaded manuever. Trying to make chicken salad out of this pile of chicken **** is virtually impossible. He wife may be giggling from just plain being giddy at the thought of squeezing his .......dry and divorcing him. He could use all the condoms he wanted, he wouldn't be getting near me if I were in her position. Sorry, poncho, this carnival is shut down.

LOL...I really enjoyed the

LOL...I really enjoyed the parody here...

How did he get so stupid, power corrupts and the Emperor from the Emperor's Club now has no clothes...

Couldn't of happened to a better person... his arrogance/power has destroyed and intimidated lots of people, he needs to resign if he has any clue and class...

Now all I heard last night and this morning is this is a tragedy...blah blah blah...I sure never hear that word being used when it comes to anybody with an 'R' behind their name...he is one of the biggest hypocrites there are, along with the msm.

Hill loses a super-delegate for now anyway, NY most likely will have some kind of an improvement for their Gov. and Wall Street is happy.

Personally, I hope this man does time, he has prosecuted people for the exact same thing he himself did.

He should of used a freezer to store his money, instead of shill companies...Jefferson seems to have gotten by so far....lol.

He Should Have watched "My Name is Earl"

Governor Spitzer didn't just prosecute people, he was out to destroy them!. He is a first class Jerk and is getting what he deserves. I have zero sympathy for him. His wife and daughters however are another case. I really feel bad for them. Mrs. Spitzer should put his gentials in a mason jar.

It's just sex?

We are now hearing that this is just about sex. Is that right? I think it's about Spitzer's inability to "walk his talk" and I think his hypocrisy trumps "sex" as the main point of this tale. Spitzer is dangerous! To his wife and to the residents of NY in so many different ways. This IS NOT just a personal story with sex as the backdrop.

They're hypocrites any way you look at it.

Liberals who are piling on Spitzer are hypocrites.  They went after Ken Starr in support of a known woman-abuser and accused rapist, and now they're turning against Sptizer? They should support him. 

At least James Carville is consistent in demanding people back off (since, after all, this happens all the time) I wonder where he stood on the Mark Foley fiasco.

Their seemingly inexplicable criticism of Spitzer is really quite explainable: 

The Left has no problem jabbing Dems for personal sins (since they don't even believe in the concept)...but when it comes to real scandals (not that this one isn't) like William Cold Cash Jefferson, WhiteWater, Vince Foster, China-Gate, or any number of other cases of Democrat misbehavior including everything from simple bribe-taking to outright treason, they ignore it or brush it off as if it's nothing - then they point fingers at republicans...

They are hypocrites in criticizing this guy.  They're hypocrites for going after Republican's personal indiscretions while excusing their own for far worse.  Their hypocrites for covering for their own corruption while accusing their opponents of it. 

Spitzer may be a slug, but if you ask me, he's an exemplary Democrat.

Exactly right Mattm

Also, the hypocrite tag applied to Republicans is usually pretext to say that the behavior itself is entirely exceptable except that the said person said it was wrong, both morally and legally.

Therefore whey the media shouts from the roof-tops, "we caught another hypocrite" what they are in fact saying is "Shut up and let us do whatever we want to do, there are no morals, since we can find no one perfect in all he does, no one has the authority to tell us what we do is wrong".

So liberals are wrong when

So liberals are wrong when they don't criticize someone, and they're wrong when they do criticize someone. Interesting.

And suddenly this isn't a "real scandal."

 

It all depends on Someone

It all depends on Someone (R) Someone (D) or, rather Someone (?)

Yeah, just sounds like he

Yeah, just sounds like he wanted to find a way to criticize liberals for having the gall to think Spitzer screwed up.

If you want to oversimplify

If you want to oversimplify things - as you frequently do - you can make anything sound stupid.  But if you're honestly trying to examine this issue, then it's a different story.

My point is multifold.  Democrats tell us to look the other way when Clinton commits sexual assault, but they raise Hell when Packwood gets turned down for a tryst.  That's hypocrisy.

Lefty comedians et. al. make jokes regarding Republicans from negative stereotypes (i.e. GOPers are money-grubbing, bible-thumping racists), whereas with Dems they only joke about superficial things like sexual indiscretions or drinking...and if anybody raises a stink they'll say "shut up, it's irrelevant."  That, too, is hypocrisy.

They also cover up and underplay Democrat scandals - to the point of pardoning felons and even turning a blind eye to rape and maybe even murder...yet they'll crucify Mark Foley.

Should I continue???

Yes, Bal.  You're pals on the Left are hypocrites.  They practically define it.  Mr. "Not so Clean" Spitzer is just the most recent poster boy for it.

And if you consider yourself to have any integrity whatsoever, you ought to reconsider your association with them.

Mattm, Clinton didn't

Mattm,

Clinton didn't commit sexual assault.

No need to lie.

OK, rape then....ask

OK, rape then....ask Juanita Broderick.

mattm, Yep.

mattm,

Yep.

My integrity's just fine,

My integrity's just fine, thank you.

1. "look the other way when Clinton commits sexual assault," Who said that? When?

2. "and if anybody raises a stink they'll say "shut up, it's irrelevant."" What comedians are saying that?

3. "turning a blind eye to rape." Where? When?

I don't dispute that scandals by Dems and Repubs are handled differently.

"I don't dispute..."I feel

"I don't dispute..."

I feel a great disturbance in The Force...

(cue Yoda voice): Into a

(cue Yoda voice): Into a time / space wormhole am I typing.

1. All the Lefties who

1. All the Lefties who claimed that the Clinton sex scandals were nothing to be concerned about - and who portrayed the impeachment as being only about sex when it was about obstruction, perjury, etc. 

2. Leno, Letterman, Carson (back in the day) etc.  They'll joke about Ted Kennedy's drinking, but they'll go after Republicans from a policy standpoint...which is alot more political than making a funny about a guys beer gut or whatever.  But it's not limited to comedians...it's everyone from the DNC down to the local newscaster who operate on the premise that Democrat scandals are in no way relevant to their political leanings - which is why - I guess - that they so often leave off the party designations when a Dem is involved.

3. When NBC refused to air the Broderick interview...for one.  I wonder if they'd have made that same decision if the allegation was against Bush...

But, you admit Rep and Dem scandals are handled differently, so I guess we're basically in agreement.

I disagree on some of your

I disagree on some of your points, but not enough to make it worth going back over. :-)

mattm...I recall very few

mattm...I recall very few liberals who defended Clinton's behavior or claimed the "sex scandals were nothing to be concerned about".  However, many, including myself, regarded impeachment as overreaching and believed a Congressional censure was more appropriate.

I watched Carson, Leno and Letterman frequently during the 90's and they consistently and routinely joked and "went after" the Clintons from every angle.

Broderick's claims have received plenty of publicity, but someone who suddenly changes her story after twenty years has an inherent credibility problem.

Jer

"I recall very few liberals

"I recall very few liberals who defended Clinton's behavior or claimed the "sex scandals were nothing to be concerned about"."

Jer, I'm going to have to disagree, at least outside your circle of associates that may have behaved as you speak. Nearly every Dem I knew around that time minimized the infidelity and bald-faced lie of Clinton's ("... did not have sexual relations with that woman...").  It was "circle the wagons" time.

Most attempted to shrug it off as a personal matter, or it's only sex, or that's the way leaders behave - think of Kennedy and nearly every French/Italian leader, or the Europeans do it and it's no big deal there, or it has no bearing on the Presidency nor the 'discharge' of his duties as president, or he's human/stressed/married to Hillary, etc.

So many excuses were given for Clinton by Dems in my circle of associates as well as throughout the country.  I posit your memory has softened with time and age, as happens to all of us. 

Spitzer is benefitting from the polished delivery of MSM and Dem supporters learned from numerous previous debacles, particularly with Bill Clinton.  He also has been smart enough to express his mia culpa early on instead of letting it fester the way Larry Craig did in avoiding the Press initially.  Spitzer also sought competent legal guidance early, also unlike Craig who compounded his problems via his own halfbaked actions.

The Spitzer debacle will be a non-story in short order as the MSM will refocus the public on Tutonkhamun Obama since more primaries are approaching.  Spitzer should thank his lucky stars he is a Dem and that there is a political horse race afoot.

RRAM Tough! 

strat...Of course I have no

strat...Of course I have no idea what your Dem acquaintances may have felt or thought 10-15 years ago, but I think we may both be fumbling with context.

When I say there were very few liberals defending Clinton, I mean very few who didn't find his personal behavior objectionable--even appalling.  My personal and vocalized opinion regarding the Lewinsky revelations was that he should either resign or take a leave of absence for counseling and treatment.  Once again, I did--and still do think--that "lying about sex" was an insufficient basis for impeachment [but would be for a "censure"].  If that is deemed to be "defending" Clinton and joining others in "circling the wagons", then I plead guilty.

But, I was definitely not defending his behavior, and my memory--soft or otherwise--is that neither did my fellow Democrats.  It was a very serious concern.

Jer

It Wasn't About Sex, Jer

It seems your people had more moral outrage than my people.  My own mother gave a pass to Clinton despite hearing her views over the years about taking a man who cheats on his wife and changing him from a rooster to a hen with one shot (tip of the hat to Dolly Parton in the movie 9 to 5).  Snake Charmer Bill played his flute and many danced to his tune.

As to Clinton's "lying about sex", you are minimizing the crime committed and obfuscating it with a non-sequitar (sex).  Clinton committed perjury.  The details of his perjury is contextually secondary to the offense committed, though sexual relations with a subordinate runs afoul of federal laws I imagine in this instance.  Then there is his bald-faced lie and crooked finger wagging televised to the American public, which also is secondary to Clinton committing perjury.

That a sitting president committed perjury is reason enough for impeachmnet given he is supposed to be the exemplar of our laws.  The president, like doctors, police and teachers, is entrusted by the public and should be held to strict standards such that crimes committed against the core of their respective professions should be dealt with stringently.  Perjury subverts the judicial process and, in this case, democracy itself.

Too bad that same ethic cannot be applied to journalists.

RRAM Tough! 

strat...I suppose I agree

strat...I suppose I agree with Henry Hyde's avuncular reminder back when he was pleading for understanding in the wake of Cap Weinberger's false testimony before the Iran-Contra Congressional committee:  "You have to put it [lying] in context." 

Henry, who had his personal peccadilos, apparently forgot his own advice when dealing with the Clinton/Lewinsky matter.

I've listened to Mark "the Great One" Levin run through his 'Clinton the Criminal' riff...multiple commission of perjury, criminal solicitation of perjury, felonious obstruction of justice, interference with a federal investigation blah, blah, blah...and one would think Clinton should not have merely been impeached, but afterwards shot at sundown and buried in an unmarked grave.

But it ignores context:

--there is a question as to whether Clinton actually committed perjury since it requires a finding that a witness under oath deliberately gave false testimony about a material issue.  Clinton's concealment of the Lewinsky relationship occurred in the course of the Jones deposition which may or may not have had a direct and material bearing on that case

--the Jones judge had declared the Jones case to be without merit and was prepared to dismiss it on summary judgment.  Also, recall that Clinton had offered to settle with Jones for every penny she was requesting in her suit--which she rejected.  It's obvious that her legal action had become nothing more than a vehicle by which Clinton's near fanatical adversaries could continue to harass and embarrass him.

--so, in addition to demanding and being allowed to examine his private parts, the Jones lawyers, with the help of Linda Tripp's illegal phonetaps, set a perjury trap for Clinton.  Inasmuch as the relationship with Lewinsky had been over for many months and never involved actual intercourse, Clinton thought he could finesse the issue, based on the written definition of "sexual relations" that had been provided him by the deposing attorneys.  Accordingly, he proceeded to give parsed, calculated, half-answers, believing he was being "technically" truthful.  Well, he was too clever by half, and the rest is history.

--I know of a number of men and women, who are fine, honorable individuals, but who have not always been completely forthright about matters of sex and fidelity.  [It's interesting to note that the Italian highest court has just ruled that women may lie in court about infidelity to protect their honor.] Clinton was far from being the first President to have ever engaged in inappropriate sexual relationships either before or during his term of office.  And Newt Gingrich was apparently carrying on a blatant affair right under the noses of the Washington press corps during this time and it was never reported.

But, make no mistake, Clinton was wrong--both in his personal behavior, and by his attempts to conceal that behavior in the civil deposition and by his word twisting before the grand jury.  He also paid a very heavy price.  It's my opinion that, when viewed in context, impeachment should not have been a part of that price.

Jer

 

Jer:Henry Hyde and Casper

Jer:Henry Hyde and Casper Weinberger have no bearing on the Clinton perjury issue.  Inclusion of them or anyone else not involved is a tactic of mitigation and obfuscation.  The issue is whether Clinton committed a crime or crimes as described by law.  Each of us can find example after example of so and so who did thus and such to support whatever colorization of the story we want.  The bottom line is whether Clinton committed a crime or crimes, which was determined in the affirmative, and then what his punishment should be, which was contested.

At some point, certain behaviour is codified as criminal beyond which it is then a matter of degree of criminality and its resultant stepwise punishment guidelines.  It is in this degree of criminality and its punishment that context has a role.

Just because the Jones case did not meet its burden of proof does not excuse perjured testimony.  No matter how bogus a case may be, it is incumbent of the witness to give truthful testimony.  Clinton does not get a free ride because the case was to be dismissed or settled outside of court.

Court mandated punishment may take a variety of forms including loss of freedom and fines.  Fines are used not only to compensate a victim but also as a powerful punishment to the guilty - people are pained to give up money.  That Jones asked for a specific amount was to show Clinton the seriousness of her intent and to punish him as well.  I would imagine that to a rape victim, monetary punishment may not be the only punishment they want for their assailant.  Owing to the deep pockets of the Clinton's, money was hardly a devastating punishment.  I imagine Jones wanted more and that is why she did not allow the case to be swept under the carpet as fast as possible.  She wanted to hurt Clinton, to humiliate him as he (alleged) did to her by raping her.  Makes perfect sense to me.  Additionally, if Jones was a scammer, she would have taken the money and run.  That she didn't tells me there is more to the story than grifting.

Anytime a person is deposed or is questioned in court by the other side's attorney, it is always a fishing expedition with the goal of catching the witness in a trap of their own words.  Clinton as an attorney knew this well, and may have had a false sense of security which lead to his misadventure with parsed words, etc.

Clinton's consensual, non-subordinate, adulterous behaviour is private and does not automatically mean he is unable to do his duties as president... as long as there are no security breaches or situations of compromise leading to blackmail, etc.  There still is the sticky question of sexual relations with a subordinate which didn't gain traction.  He still has a fiduciary duty to uphold the law of the land and should be a role model for the people of the country - a heavy burden but one shouldn't run for the office unless you are prepared to walk the walk.  And, context having relative importance, lied under oath and deserved severe penalty as proscribed by law precisely because of his position of trust.

Rationalizing unethical, immoral and/or illegal behaviour because Europeans do it or some other politician did it too leads to a continual shifting of acceptable behaviour in society, always towards more crude and selfish endpoints. 

Exactly where do you think the line in the sand should be drawn?  Is it ok to lie under oath?  How do you explain this to a child so that they understand the "nuance" but remain truthful/honorable in their daily lives?  Part of the Clinton legacy is at least one generation of Americans believes "oral sex" is not "sex" and are quite casual in performing it on peers.  Despite a cavalier attitude, these adolescents and teenagers are at greater risk of pregnancy, STD's and emotional problems. 

But all this legacy chatter digresses from the critical issue:  Bill Clinton committed perjury to cover-up what he knew to be bad behaviour and potentially illegal behaviour.  He subverted the judicial process and cheapened the stature of the Presidency.  I agree he has paid a heavy penalty for his actions.  Whether further punishment was warranted is now moot.

Lastly, you may have pleasantly surprised a few NB's with one of your statements... if they didn't fully read and understand the context of your words (Shades Of Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter!):

"... Clinton should not have merely been impeached, but afterwards shot at sundown and buried in an unmarked grave."

You have proven your point that context matters, my friend. 

RRAM Tough!