President of Estonia Rips Paul Krugman: 'Smug, Overbearing and Patronizing'
New York Times columnist Paul Krugman appears to be angering people all over the world these days.
After getting trashed by the British Telegraph and schooled by a member of Parliament last month, the Nobel laureate took to attacking the Republic of Estonia Wednesday only to be slammed in return by its President Toomas Hendrik Ilves via Twitter hours later:
Let's write about something we know nothing about & be smug, overbearing & patronizing: after all, they're just wogs: krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/06/est…
— toomas hendrik ilves (@IlvesToomas) June 6, 2012
Guess a Nobel in trade means you can pontificate on fiscal matters & declare my country a "wasteland". Must be a Princeton vs Columbia thing
— toomas hendrik ilves (@IlvesToomas) June 6, 2012
But yes, what do we know? We're just dumb & silly East Europeans. Unenlightened. Someday we too will understand. Nostra culpa.
— toomas hendrik ilves (@IlvesToomas) June 6, 2012
Let's sh*t on East Europeans: their English is bad, won't respond & actually do what they've agreed to & reelect govts that are responsible.
— toomas hendrik ilves (@IlvesToomas) June 6, 2012
What drew the President's ire was something Krugman posted at his blog Wednesday: "Since Estonia has suddenly become the poster child for austerity defenders — they’re on the euro and they’re booming! — I thought it might be useful to have a picture of what we’re talking about."
After presenting a chart of Estonia's Gross Domestic Product since 2007, Krugman wrote, "So, a terrible — Depression-level — slump, followed by a significant but still incomplete recovery. Better than no recovery at all, obviously — but this is what passes for economic triumph?"
As Hot Air noted, "That post was in turn a Keynesian belch at this widely linked Global Post story describing how Estonia managed to kickstart rapid economic growth while the rest of Europe got sucked into a black hole. Three words: 'Austerity, austerity, austerity.'”
Those that have been paying attention know that currently nothing bothers Krugman more than austerity despite him clearly not understanding that few countries in Europe are actually practicing it.
It must really be getting under his knickers that a real case of austerity across the Atlantic is showing genuine success.
As for Ilves, he was was born in Sweden, but grew up in New Jersey.
No academic slouch he, for after graduating valedictorian of his high school, Ilves received a bachelor's degree in psychology from Columbia University and a master's degree psychology from the University of Pennsylvania. He's also fluent in Estonian, English, German, and Spanish.
In his final salvo concerning Krugman, Ilves linked to an article he wrote for the Hoover Institution in March:
We would not be in the mess we are in today in Europe if a large number of fellow member states had not taken a fundamentally different tack to thrift, deficits, and borrowing than what they themselves agreed to only a couple of years earlier. My country would never, ever have been able to adopt the euro had we done what was standard operating procedure among many members of the eu-17. At the same time, I would aver that there is little in the fundamental approach taken by Germany, the Netherlands, Estonia, Finland, or Austria that differs from what such noneuro countries as Sweden, Denmark, and Poland have been doing. My country would never have been able to adopt the euro had we done what was standard among many in the EU.
Thus the institutional arrangements and the behavior of countries do not jibe. I submit this is unsustainable. For ultimately, the inability or unwillingness of parts of the eu-17 to submit to agreed-upon rules will be defended by an appeal to the position that “our democracy cannot withstand the kind of austerity demanded of us.” The first shoots of this position we have already seen emerge. Yet let us be clear about what this means: Fiscally responsible countries will be asked to support fiscally profligate countries in the name of democracy.
You can do it for a while, but if you are a country like Estonia, where the gdp per capita is almost the same as Greece but where the average salary is lower than the Greek minimum wage and where the pensions and agricultural supports within an internal market are three times lower, it is a matter of time before our voters revolt. The government in my country and the opposition voted to support the European Financial Stability Facility to aid a country richer than us and profligate. Three quarters of the parliament voted in favor. But, note: 75 percent of the population was against.
Here we see in my own country the first seeds of the populism that has recently caused concern throughout the north — in the Netherlands, in Denmark, in Sweden and most recently also in Finland. Sorry, it’s not just the democracies of the south that are under threat. The bankrolling of Southern Europe has already and ever-increasingly threatened the fiscally responsible countries, the ones who have shown solidarity and voted to commit to bailing out those better off than we. Moreover, while much has been made of the change of governments in countries that broke the rules, far too little attention has been paid to what to my mind is a far more significant reverberation: the fall of a responsible, poor, new member state government coalition (in Slovakia) that made the hard choice and voted to support a country richer than it is, all for the sake of European solidarity.
How'd you like to see Ilves debate geoeconomics with the 'smug, overbearing and patronizing' Krugman?
All those in favor say "Aye."
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Yep, I read
Submitted by killa37 on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 12:58am.
Yep, I read that..............ol' space cadet Crudman is really knockin' em down over there in Europe lately, isn't he. When the Europeans start busting Crudman for his bad economic philosophies, you KNOW that the guy's credibility and reputation are a sham..........which they are!!
I think he is the only "name"
Submitted by hoosherdaddy137 on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 6:32am.
I think he is the only "name" in libdom that actually put pen to paper to win his award. So this means his cant possibly be as fake or politically motivated as every single other leftie award and therefor must mean he is a super smart guy. Where are our conservative scientists? why not start an honest award based on merit, instead of who can make marx look like itll work on paper best
Now that's funny!
Submitted by CobraMan on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 1:05am.
"Guess a Nobel in trade means you can pontificate on fiscal matters & declare my country a "wasteland". Must be a Princeton vs Columbia thing"
Now that's funny!
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
For years
Submitted by oldfart on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 5:09am.
winning a Nobel has just amounted to winning a popularity contest. Now it has been debased to winning a bovine excrement contest in the 'bubble zone' of the I95 corridor, the Left Coast and the European pinky crowd.
Krugman is just another left wing demagogue
Submitted by Mark81150 on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 6:25am.
Who was rewarded by the Nobel Committe for being hardcore left wing enough to feed their prejudices. This from his Wiki page.
"] In 2008, Krugman won the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences for his contributions to New Trade Theory and New Economic Geography. According to the Nobel Prize Committee, the prize was given for Krugman's work explaining the patterns of international trade and the geographic concentration of wealth, by examining the impact of economies of scale and of consumer preferences for diverse goods and services.[9]"
so... he won this for a lefty circle jerk of economic theory that doesn't have to work or be proven.. just so long as it fits the narrative of the intertrashanal left. Which is.. Keynesian theory rules because we love spending the serf's cash while blaming them for all the sins we commit. Couch it in new speak enough to hide it's real meaning and sell it to the western public as a shiny new theory which hasn't already failed everywhere every time it's tried..
Krugman won a Nobel like Obama did.. he says what the left adores to hear..
that every problem is the fault of free market democratic republics... right down to Saddam Hussein shooting a child in the face.. it's always the center right that are too blame.. while the left is as pure as the driven snow.. ..................................... while those same euro pols who lied about Saddam's food for oil program lined their pockets with bribes from his skirting the sanctions... are sitting back and letting europe fall apart because they will not do what works to fix their economies.. and Krugman's halfbaked theories are their excuse. If only they waste another couple of trillion..
They know it'll work this time...
yeah..
and if we're lucky they won't drag us down like a drowning victim hanging on the lifeguards neck... not take us with them.
Krugman is a zealot, a fanatical fool wedded to a dead theory that has NEVER worked.
"Tall Building Alert" for Krugman
Submitted by ChrisNH on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 6:25am.
In the end, Krugman is nothing but a newspaper hack who got a 'Nobel' from fellow back-slapping Leftists. In other words, a Nobel is no more an accomplishment than getting a 'Local TV News Emmy.'
But the haughty, faculty-lounge elite Krugman must be wondering from which rooftop to jump. His arguments: FROM deaf ears TO deaf ears.
Speaking as a native
Submitted by From Estonia Wi... on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 6:50am.
Speaking as a native Estonian, I do admit this story makes me chuckle. Our president is usually very reserved, almost to the point of awkwardness, so seeing his human side is as funny as it is understandable.
Things here Estonia have been rough but are steadily improving. I don’t know whether we can thank austerity for that or our export partners but the fact is, Estonia is beginning to pull itself out from an economic hole without significant stimulus.
However I don’t think American conservatives are right in setting us as an example, mainly because Estonia has such things as nationalized medical care, free higher education and compulsory military service. Yes, our national debt is non-existent but if we look into the private sphere, things look a bit different.
But overall, I am comfortable with our president giving Krugman the smackdown because I think that little weasel deserves it – if not for past sins then most certainly as a proactive measure.
non-existent national debt?
Submitted by oldfart on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 9:08am.
Be thankful - my great grand children will still be trying to pay off the debt this mental midget is leaving us.
And believe me there is nothing wrong with compulsory military service.
I have noticed a lot of changed attitudes since the draft was eliminated here. There is a lot to be said for 'national service' and putting spiled brats in an environment where they MUST consider how their actions influence others.
Now we have a nation where a significant portion of the population has an attitude that the world moves to their beck and call.
To Estonia with love~ :)
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 11:49am.
I took your post to mean you were born in Estonia and still live there. We get a significant number of fakers on NB. So it's impossible to know for certain if you really are from Estonia, but I promise I'm not about to insult you! :)
Your command of the English language is fantastic. Since English is a seconday language in Estonia, you could be quite proficient at it, and Estonians tend to be quite highly educated. But you also used a few Americanized terms I would not expect you to be familiar with, which somewhat suprised me. There could also be several reasons for that. All that said, I will resist the urge to quiz you (ha) and just assume you're the real deal -- because my message to all Estonians is what is important with this post.
My apologies to Estonians (and their leadership) for this daffy Krugman guy, who has no business (nor is it any of his business) commenting on a country he understands so little. Many of us here don't even feel like he understands America!
Although there are some tenants in Estonian society I don't agree with, Estonia is a gorgeous country with so many friendly and sincere people. There are also quite a few things to admire in Estonia's historic background and in the current-day aspects of Estonian culture.
So again, sorry about the weasel. Most Americans don't want his ilk representing our views/ideas on other countries, and we certainly don't need to be ticking off countries for no good reason whatsoever.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Krugman gives Economics a well-deserved bad name.
Submitted by JohnMcGrew on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 6:54am.
Makes me wish I'd majored in underwater basket weaving; I'd get more respect today.
JMcGrew
Submitted by Agnostic on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 7:07am.
Economic's bad name is not well deserve. Among many other lesser reasons, I think when there started being two 'Economic' classes in colleges it started going down hill. There was the business school Economics which was still a decent course but then they started Economics in the Liberal Arts programs. The students graduating classes learned more about failed economic systems than Capitalism but graduated thinking they had at least a basic understanding of Economics - obviously untrue.
The eyes are.......
Submitted by Herbster on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 7:36am.
The eyes are the window to the soul. Look carefully at Krugman's eyes next time you see him on TV spouting inanities. The Nobel prizes today? Let's see who has won, or should I say, been gifted with the award? Obama, Krugman.....who will be next, The Octomom? Ed Schultz? The award for economics and for peace has been dumbed down to a purely (Leftist) political statement. A sad commentary on today's society.
Krugman is scared....
Submitted by c5then on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 8:44am.
This world-wide fiscal crisis could spell the end of Keynesian economics unless he and his MSM friends make sure to spin and lie and hide the actual data.
Those who are still trying to use Keynesian principles are mired in stagnant economies and massive unsustainable debt and are on the verge of collapse. Those who have returned to more conservative, common sense principles as espoused by Van Hayek are seeing growth, lowering of their debt and sustainable economies.
This is the picture that Krugman and others wish to muddy and make cloudy.
Keynes has the same problem as Marx...As stated clearly and succinctly by Margaret Thatcher : "Eventually you run out of other people's money".
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
So, Estonia's
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 8:54am.
"not complete" recovery is a failure of austerity, but Obama's not complete, (non-existent), recovery is a Keynesian success?
Nice logic there, krugs.
So, Estonia's
Submitted by Herbster on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:17am.
The "Nuge" for Congress...........more citizen representatives, less political prostitutes.
The new standard
Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 9:05am.
This should be the new standard of today with Nobel "winners" at least for the most part(some of the lesser known ones related to true science and etc would be harmed by this kind of reputation) where someone gets a prize that is, using common sense which is a trait that's sorely lacking in the Nobel Committee, pretty much meaningless.
If terrorists and dictators are getting this award, and may Nobel rest in peace as he must be spinning in his grave, why even bother with this, just create a new award or strike the name "peace" from it, or something. The most obvious example of this was giving it to Obeyme two months after he usurps the potus, and now he's known as the executioner in other countries by use of the drones and loves snuff films and other various things.
From now one, any time I see someone (or something equated to a gasbag) with a Nobel award, I'm looking at someone who does not deserve a modicum of respect, someone who should be ignored, or at least just placed in a room of other like-minded people which would have to be an insane asylum. That or dictators and thugs.
-Jon
Has anyone checked the Nobel Prize Committee
Submitted by johnsonl on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:19am.
rule book? Can they withdraw one after they award it? What if Obamao got mugged after he returned to Chicago and became a conservative?
johnsonl,
Submitted by Agnostic on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:28am.
You don't even have to change his socialist ways to see the hypocrisy -
The Drone Predator President is touted as a Peace advocate and Nobel winner.
Bush was defined as a war criminal.
Believe it or not there has been some low key statements made by people associated with the Nobel process that the prize to Obama was a mistake. Of course that won't make into the mainstream of the media.
http://news.yahoo.com/nobel-peace-prize-jury-under-investigation-152500580.html
'smug, overbearing and patronizing'
Submitted by almostacowboy on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 9:09am.
What are the basic personality traits of Prog/Libs, Alex?
Alex Trebec: That's correct for $1000.
Ilves
Submitted by mmilesll on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 9:49am.
Ilves now knows what most Americans have known for years-Paul is a freaky dwarf.
Smug, Overbearing and Patronizing
Submitted by chiefpayne on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:01am.
He's just described every Democrat!
Smug, overbearing and patronizing-
Submitted by johnsonl on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:15am.
yep, that's a perfect description of an elitist liberal. Krugman, propped up by what is now recognized as a utterly bullshit excuse for legitimacy disguised as an international achievement award, is steadily talking himself into irrelevence. Economics is bullshit, too. Nobody can predict what people will think about the stock market or what they're going to spend their money on or if they'll spend it at all. Just like statistics, they can get paid to pontificate all day long and never be wrong. Why aren't our public schools and colleges teaching our kids to look past the bullshit instead of propping it up?
a political tool not an economic tool
Submitted by MidAmerica on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:20am.
Democrats don't believe in Keynesian economics, they use Keynesian economics.
Keynesian economics is just cover for doing what they want to do which is tax more, spend more and control more.
To steal and re-do an old lawyer joke:
Submitted by richflanj on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 11:01am.
99% of the "journalists" out there make the other 1% look bad....
Krugman For UN Ambassador!
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 11:51am.
Why should we have to wait to piss off the few countries Obama has yet to insult?
Krugs could get er done inside of a week.
Oops
Submitted by panzerakc on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 5:37pm.
"As for Ilves, he was was born in Sweden, but grew up in New Jersey."
Looks like Krugman ticked off a Jersey boy - bad move, Paulie.