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By Noel Sheppard | May 17, 2012 | 19:05

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Martin Bashir got a scolding on national television Thursday that everyone on MSNBC as well as within the parent companies Comcast and General Electric should receive.

During a contentious interview with the general counsel for Koch Industries, Inc., Bashir's guest said, "The way that your network has handled issues with us, the way that a lot in the far-left media have handled issues with us, attacking us even when there’s no basis like with the Trayvon Martin issues, that situation, that has led to death threats against our owners" (video follows with transcribed highlights and commentary):

After a setup as to who the Koch brothers are, Bashir introduced Mark Holden, general counsel for Koch Industries, Inc.

Following some tense pleasantries, the MSNBC anchor asked if the Koch brothers support Stand Your Ground laws.

Holden said the company he represents were “falsely associated” with those laws by MSNBC’s Karen Finney acting as a guest host for Bashir recently.

Not surprisingly, Bashir quibbled about Holden’s description of Finney as a paid Democratic strategist. “She has not been paid a cent since 2009.”

“Okay,” responded Holden, “then she’s an unpaid strategist who sends fundraising letters on behalf of the Democrats.

As KochFacts.com noted on April 18, “on March 26, Ms. Finney signed and sent a letter on behalf of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee soliciting political contributions.”

This seemed to stun Bashir a bit as facts always do.

Holden continued, “Ms. Finney said on your show in March that we were part of what she called ‘the Typhoid Mary’ that led to proliferation of these Stand Your Ground laws in Florida and elsewhere.”

“Koch is a member of ALEC [The American Legislative Exchange Council]. It’s been around for about 40 years,” said Holden. “ALEC has many other corporate members including MSNBC’s parents General Electric and Comcast. We weren’t involved in any way on the Stand Your Ground laws on any level. I’m assuming Comcast and GE weren’t either.”

Readers are advised that on May 5, Salon revealed a list of companies that contribute to ALEC. Comcast and General Electric were on it.

As such, how can MSNBC or any of its employees castigate the Koch brothers for contributing to an organization its parent companies do?

When Holden finished, Bashir countered by saying, “Karen Finney was using an analogy…She did not suggest that blood was on the Koch brothers’ hands. She did not suggest the Koch brothers were personally or directly involved in that. She didn’t.”

“I’m sorry,” interrupted Holden. "She called us the Typhoid Mary. She didn’t call us the Virgin Mary. She called us the Typhoid Mary.”

Indeed she did.

On the March 23 installment of the Martin Bashir show, Finney acting as substitute host began the program with a lengthy segment about the Trayvon Martin shooting and Stand Your Ground laws.

After playing a clip of then Florida governor Jeb Bush discussing the importance of this law, Finney said, “He and his fellow Republicans were ecstatic when the law passed, and as typical, they used fear and rhetoric about personal freedom without balancing second amendment rights with the safety of our communities.”

“So how do we go from one state to thirty,” Finney asked. “Who was the Typhoid Mary for this horrible outbreak? Try not to be surprised. It’s the usual suspects the Koch brothers, the NRA, the American Legislative Exchange Council.”

With a picture of the Koch brothers on the screen, Finney said, “These are the same people who stymied gun regulation at every point, who funded and ghost-write these laws and others that have become a core of the conservative agenda that’s being implemented across our country.”

Sound like a simple analogy to you, or that Finney quite clearly accused the Koch brothers of advancing Stand Your Ground laws that supposedly led to Martin’s shooting in Florida?

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Yet Bashir wasn’t giving up on this line of questioning, for moments later, he asked his guest, “Do the Koch brothers support Stand Your Ground laws?”

Holden said he didn’t know for he’s never spoken to them about this issue.

“If they don’t,” continued Bashir, “then why have they not taken a step like Coca Cola, like Wendy’s and McDonald’s who have walked away following this terrible and tragic death? Why have they not taken an avowed public step to say, ‘Well, we haven’t disclosed that we support Stand Your Ground laws, but we’re making it absolutely clear to America we want nothing to do with this?’”

“Well, have Comcast and GE done that?” asked Holden.

“That’s not the question I’m asking you,” absurdly replied Bashir.

“Well, they’re your parent, you could ask the same question to your parent companies,” accurately noted Holden.

Not surprisingly, Bashir didn’t see his own hypocrisy. From what I’ve witnessed of him over the years, he wouldn’t notice it if it punched him in the face.

But the best was still to come when Holden later scolded his host.

“Mr. Bashir, the way that your network has handled issues with us, the way that a lot in the far-left media have handled issues with us, attacking us even when there’s no basis like with the Trayvon Martin issues, that situation, that has led to death threats against our owners. Charles and David Koch have received phone death threats, they’ve received email death threats, internet death threats. This is where this leads. It’s irresponsible.”

Yes it is. It’s irresponsible. And the folks at Comcast and General Electric should put a stop to it immediately.

Bravo, Mr. Holden. Bravo!

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Sue 'em for slander too!

Submitted by rbosque on Thu, 05/17/2012 - 7:07pm.

Sue 'em for slander too!

"It may be true that you can't fool all the people all the time, but you can fool enough of them to rule a large country"......Will Durant
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BASH-WHORE...

Submitted by bigdaddy on Thu, 05/17/2012 - 7:27pm.

...He actually makes Keef Olbermoron seem like a real journalist....

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I believe the Court ruled

Submitted by MikeB on Thu, 05/17/2012 - 7:35pm.

I believe the Court ruled incorrectly when it said that a story being untrue did not rise to the level of libel, but that malicious intent was also necessary. I think they are wrong: if an incorrect story is broadcast or printed wherein the truth could easily have been determined had the reporters done the minimum amount of due diligence, than that story is libelous. If broadcasters and newspapers and news magazined were held to the minimum due diligence standard, then NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, NYT, Newsweek, etc, would have been rightfully sued into bankruptcy long ago, and we would have news sources we could actually rely on.
As for the Castle Doctrine laws or Stand Your Ground laws that Batpoop is so offended by, the evidence (a word that is anathema to Bashir) indicates that Trayvon Martin did, in fact, assault Mr. Zimmerman, did inflict injuries on him in the manner that Zimmerman claimed, and that the Stand Your Ground law was rightly applied by Mr. Zimmerman. Have you noticed how nearly all, if not all of the so-called news organizations have failed to report these facts? Can anyone say, "does not fit the narrative"?

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Newsbusters does great work, but . . . .

Submitted by NC Boy on Thu, 05/17/2012 - 7:30pm.

Why do you often cut off the videos so abruptly? I would very much like to hear how that interview ended!

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Ditto

Submitted by CJohnson on Thu, 05/17/2012 - 7:56pm.

Ditto Ditto

Hakapelita!
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MORE!

Submitted by Annie Ashe Fields on Thu, 05/17/2012 - 7:32pm.

Our side needs more smart, succinct representatives to go into the belly of the beast like this. Good for him!

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That guy is a hero for shutting up Martin's ignorant mouth.

Submitted by drsamherman on Thu, 05/17/2012 - 7:55pm.

Somebody finally shut that taqiyya troll Martin Bashir's mouth. Somebody finally came into that spider's parlor and had the spider for lunch.

Martin, his network and their corporate parents got their butts handed to them. Well done, Mark Holden.

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Wish this guy would run for something,

Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 05/17/2012 - 8:03pm.

Or teach Romney how to stand up to these creeps.

Seek Truth, Defend Liberty
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Aaah, I'd love to see someone confront

Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 05/17/2012 - 8:12pm.

Axelrod about how the Obama campaign has gone after individual donor's in this way.

Proud member of the 53%!
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Well done Mr. Holden

Submitted by NVRAT on Thu, 05/17/2012 - 8:39pm.

I would look into something to sue Bashir and Finney and carry it all the way up to the parent company`s. Lock them up in court for about a year or so. Death threats are no joking matter and proof of that is the liberal cook in Arizona that shot those people and one of their own Representatives.

NVRAT
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Death threats? LOL.

Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 05/17/2012 - 9:12pm.

In Bashir's circle, that's a resume-enhancer.

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M.S.N.B.C. IS OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY

Submitted by greatj on Thu, 05/17/2012 - 9:14pm.

All the vile mentally and emotionally disturbed commentators that work for M.S.N.B.C.take their orders from Obama and the Democratic party.They are not a news organization but part of the Democratic parties dirty tricks propaganda organization.They will lie,hate,and do anything to get Obama reelected in November. BOYCOTT M.S.N.B.C. and COMCAST.

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Wonderful

Submitted by River City on Thu, 05/17/2012 - 9:45pm.

Glad he was able to get air time in the snake pit. Doubtful the irony of his statements landed on any brains that could have an effect on anything. Facts make no impact when the agenda is the driving force.

"Money is the scourge of the men who attempt to reverse the law of causality--the men who seek to replace the mind by seizing the products of the mind."  Ayn Rand

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Why

Submitted by grammajane on Thu, 05/17/2012 - 9:51pm.

the Koch brothers haven't sued by now, is a huge mystery. Making death threats because of what was said by these idiots on msdnc, is a crime and hopefully the Koch brothers quit talking and head to court

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Now file a criminal complaint for msnbc, et for fraud.

Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Thu, 05/17/2012 - 9:56pm.

The nutjob nutworx are not 'news media' outlets, but mere political commentators and have little in the way of 'free speech' protections.

They are provably dishonest in their content and character assassinations.

End 'gun violence in America' - Require training and MANDATORY "Shall Carry" by every Citizen.

If harry reid is the best person to lead the senate, what does that say about the other 99 senators?

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the answer is

Submitted by jimtrees on Thu, 05/17/2012 - 10:03pm.

Yes. We are ok with anything Media Matters pays us to say.

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Why should they, Bashir?

Submitted by CobraMan on Thu, 05/17/2012 - 11:31pm.

"If they don’t, then why have they not taken a step like Coca Cola, like Wendy’s and McDonald’s who have walked away following this terrible and tragic death?"

WHY should they, you putz? They're NOT INVOLVED in this case AT ALL! Nether are the corporations you mention, other than being more worried about their image than their dignity.

Here's a question you should be asking, of yourself: Why do you keep trying to involve the Koch Brothers?

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court

Or Anwar al-Awlaki.

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Cobra, Coca~Cola, Arby's Mickey D's and Wendy's fled because

Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 05/17/2012 - 11:50pm.

they were frightened by Van Jones and Color of Change. They didn't have the stones to look at what was going on, they just recoiled at the prospect of being called "racist", and the mere thought of not being able to push their crap in the inner cities of the U.S.

To re-elect Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and hitting the iceberg again.
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Like I said...

Submitted by CobraMan on Fri, 05/18/2012 - 1:57am.

Like I said, Image before dignity.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court

Or Anwar al-Awlaki.

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Like I have said,

Submitted by gwalt on Fri, 05/18/2012 - 8:41am.

Like I have said, if we don't put the "news" anchors names and faces in ads and start asking them why they are so biased, we are doomed. The still control the narrative and the spineless Repubs are very afraid of them.

 "A lot of briefing for a 2 hr. special with Dan Rather. Saw the show & wonder why we bothered".             Ronald Reagan                                                           

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