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NYT's Revkin Calls Climate Depot's Marc Morano 'Divisive and Toxic'

By Noel Sheppard | May 09, 2012 | 09:22

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Debunking Nobel laureate Al Gore's favorite money making scheme is "divisive and toxic."

So said New York Times writer Andrew Revkin during a talk last week at the University of California, Santa Barbara, as reported by the Santa Barbara Independent Tuesday:

“Professional partisans are having a field day right now,” he said. “People like Marc Morano at ClimateDepot.com put out stuff that says we don’t know anything about global warming, and that gets picked up by talk radio and amplified. It’s divisive and toxic.”

Morano responded:

I don't "put out stuff that says we don't know anything about global warming." On the contrary, Climate Depot is chock full of information about what we actually do know about the climate and how the warmists' claims are failing and not passing scientific muster.

'Toxic'? If by 'divisive and toxic' you mean Climate Depot is serving to derail the man-made global warming agenda and its sub-prime science and politics, I happily plead guilty!

Chris Horner of the Competitive Enterprise Institute had this to say about Revkin's comments via email:

Challenge, disagreement and debate are divisive.

Debate I don't like is toxic.

Challenging me when I don't like it and insisting on debating after I've said we've had enough of that is divisive and toxic.

Real Science's Steve Goddard emailed the following:

Marc is divisive in the same way that Alexander Solzhenitsyn was in the Soviet Union. He is bringing evidence forward which otherwise would have been suppressed by a $100 billion/year climate regime.

recent [sic] climate change and biodiversity agreements both talk of sums in the order of $100bn per year by 2020, and that the Rio+20 agenda is far broader, you can guess at the sums of money that might be requested here. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17898323

BTW - the $100 billion dollars going into "climate change" would have been 25% of the Soviet GDP in 1970.

Certified Consultant Meteorologist Joe D'Aleo responded:

The UN expects the US to contribute $250B/year (2.5T/10 years) to its efforts for sustainability (read population control), green agenda (replace fossil fuels with unreliable, extremely expensive to support 'renewables'), one world government (loss of soveriegnty [sic]) and redistribution of wealth - taking from the poor and middle class in wealthier countries and giving it to the rich in poor nations. Ms Clinton and Obama said they support this (that dwarfs the $40B in 10 years the proposed reduction of the subsidy for big oil would deliver).

See Dick Morris's book 'Screwed' covered on O'Reilly last night [sic] how Space and Seas treaty could ban all use of fossil fuel in the United States because CO2 allegedly contributes to warming of the oceans[sic] Even as the oceans stay steady or even cool even in the tropics where models say it should warm most (source NOAA).

Since every breathe we take emits 40,000ppm into air at 395ppm I guess that a ban on breathing would [sic] next.

WeatherBell's Joe Bastardi simply said, "They are turning into full bore Marxists, taking off all pretense of objectivity now."

Christopher Monckton added this:

NYT's Andy Revkin, derisive,
Calls our friend Marc Morano divisive
And toxic as well.
Andy, babe, go to Hell:
You're a Marxist: our Marc is incisive.

For his part, Revkin wrote the following in an email message carbon copied to Morano (written hastily before he got on a plane):

there [sic] are toxic and divisive efforts surrounding this issue. note [sic] what i [sic] wrote about a certain impersonator awhile back.

in [sic] that particular exchange (i [sic] think it was in Q&A) I called one side toxic and divisive. marc [sic] interpreted that phrase as applying to him specifically but when you read the phrase carefully you see i [sic] was talking aobut [sic] the PROCESS.

he's [sic] copied here (i'm [sic] on run in an airport).

I do think marc [sic] could do a lot more to write on energy innovation, resilience to weather extremes (whatever mix of natural and human factors are involved) and efforts to alleviate energy poverty using whichever technology is best for the specific application. (his [sic] sponsor, cfact.org, claims to be all about those frontiers.) for [sic] instance, whether or not you reject science on big greenhouse risk, you'd have to say that slashing budgets for NOAA weather observation efforts are not a good idea. haven't [sic] seen anything there on c-depot.com.

that [sic] would be constructive and non-toxic, no?

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So if Morano were to start writing about things Revkin sees important, he "would be constructive and non-toxic."

That's an awfully strange thing for a man now teaching environmental journalism at Pace University.

Or maybe not.

After all, the point of "environmental journalism" is and has been first and foremost to scare the public into believing ecological crises are imminent irrespective of the facts.

Accomplishing this requires "environmental journalists" to whenever possible depict people that don't agree with their view as non-scientists and deniers going against the so-called consensus.

That includes calling them "divisive and toxic."

How nice that a new generation of "environmental journalists" are being tought such a closed-minded and biased way to share their views with the public.

A whole new crop of writers calling anyone that disagrees with them divisive and toxic.

Makes Bastardi look downright prescient.

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History

Submitted by Huapakechi on Wed, 05/09/2012 - 9:58am.

If you the reader will examine the rise of any branch of totalitarian socialism since the waning days of the 18th century, you will see the same tactics utilized to silence the opposition, ridicule their positions, and sabotage the reporting on any debate on the subject under discussion.

When you think of 'environmentalism', look first to the lifestyle of the leadership. The Soviet politburo didn't live so well as these bloated toads who are preaching austerity and "sustainability" for the masses.

The “debate” over global warming is not really a debate any more. It’s a war, and when people are waging war, they always lie for their cause.

The TRUE core of the IPCC warmism, is NOT about CO2 or the climate but about power and money, and how to redistribute it.

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Al Bore wouldn't have moved to the seaside town of Montecito

Submitted by frank14 on Wed, 05/09/2012 - 12:23pm.

California and all the heavy lib cities of Santa Barbara, Santa Cruz and San Francisco would be evacuated if there really were rising sea levels and global warming.

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Oh Andy, Thou Great Uniter

Submitted by dbo on Wed, 05/09/2012 - 10:18am.

Revkin, like so many liberals, won't be happy until 7 billion people morph into one thought.

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Environmental journalism?

Submitted by drsamherman on Wed, 05/09/2012 - 10:41am.

Andrew Revkin has an undergrad degree in biology and a master's in journalism. That hardly qualifies him to teach anything but apoplectic diatribe and habitual outrage.

He was let go by the NYT and works for them under contract for their environmental blog and on various articles promoting their misguided AGW mantra.

As for being someone with the credentials to criticize scientific methods or results, it certainly is not him. Most people with his earned degrees teach high school biology and advise on the school newspaper. Given that he lives in NYC, perhaps that is the best use of his time. Certainly he is not in a position to make a more serious, learned argument in support of climate science given that he little more than a used car salesman pitching the scientific equivalent of a 30-year old Yugo.

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The "process" is "toxic?"

Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 05/09/2012 - 11:03am.

"I called one side toxic and divisive. marc [sic] interpreted that phrase as applying to him specifically but when you read the phrase carefully you see i [sic] was talking aobut [sic] the PROCESS."

So, Revkin , you believe that the PROCESS of counter-arguments being discussed in venues outside your control is "toxic" and "divisive," eh? How Orwellian of you!

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court

Or Anwar al-Awlaki.

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fake but accurate

Submitted by acumen on Wed, 05/09/2012 - 2:02pm.

I wonder if Revkin considers authenticating and publishing the fake Heartland 2012 Strategy memo before checking its validity toxic and devisive?

Nah, no I don't...

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Unfortunately for Ravkin

Submitted by Cappmann1962 on Wed, 05/09/2012 - 11:30am.

The science for climate change IS settled - we really don't know what the climate will do from day to day, let alone years into the future. For the Gaia worshippers I am in agreement with one point: the earth IS a living thing, and we have no idea what it/she will do. That's the only thing settled about climate science.

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If you've been paying

Submitted by Kenny Bunkport on Wed, 05/09/2012 - 12:35pm.

If you've been paying attention, the global warming crowd now argues more for identity politics than any scientific research. Politicians, sycophantic media, and those with careers vested in AWG, seem to be the only ones preaching from the global warming pulpit. The last actual "scientific" data I've seen presented for AWG is the falsified and reworked temperature data provided by Dr. Hansen, et al., at the GISS.

It seems every other argument is just a demonizing and dismissal of the "deniers", and cherry-picked anecdotal evidence. Gone, at least for the moment, are arguments about hurricanes and melting icecaps, since mother nature has refused to validate those hypotheses.

When your computer models fail, and your doomsday timelines keep stretching into the future, there isn't much else to work with.

               A gun in your hand beats a cop on the phone.
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He knows better

Submitted by deadeyedan on Wed, 05/09/2012 - 1:36pm.

Revkin has been around the block enough to know that AGW is very suspect, and now his writing shows that - it has gotten far more ragged and desperate in recent months.

He senses that he's out of a job if enough people of influence catch on to the fraud this has been and he has totally run out of scientific explanation for what has now been exposed as totally lacking in authoritative documentation.

He knows full well that the "investigations" of the CLIMATEGATE scandal were insider cover-ups.

CLIMATEGATE (now I & II plus FAKEGATE) - the revelation that the pseudo-scientists at East Anglia University know just as much about the atmosphere as Harvard law professors know about the Constitution

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He knows better

Submitted by deadeyedan on Wed, 05/09/2012 - 1:39pm.

Revkin has been around the block enough to know that AGW is very suspect, and now his writing shows that - it has gotten far more ragged and desperate in recent months.

He senses that he's out of a job if enough people of influence catch on to the fraud this has been and he has totally run out of scientific explanation for what has now been exposed as totally lacking in authoritative documentation.

He knows full well that the "investigations" of the CLIMATEGATE scandal were insider cover-ups.

CLIMATEGATE (now I & II plus FAKEGATE) - the revelation that the pseudo-scientists at East Anglia University know just as much about the atmosphere as Harvard law professors know about the Constitution

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Actually, The Global Warming Debate Was Over As Soon As...

Submitted by Motormouth KOS on Wed, 05/09/2012 - 2:16pm.

Everybody figured out the hot air was coming from Al Gore's immense ass.

Not from the tailpipe of my Cadillac.

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