ESPN Leads With 'Polarizing Quarterback Tim Tebow'
It didn't take ESPN.com long to attack Tim Tebow in its piece about him being traded to the New York Jets.
In the very first sentence, the football star was referred to as a "polarizing quarterback":
Unusually quiet in recent weeks, the New York Jets shattered the calm Wednesday by completing a trade for polarizing quarterback Tim Tebow, the team confirmed.
The Jets will send a fourth-round pick to the Denver Broncos, a source said.
Polarizing? Why, because he's overtly Christian?
Even odder, well into the piece we find out that this "polarizing quarterback" might actually be a good thing for the Jets.
"There's also some thought that Tebow and his clean-cut image could help polish the negative perception of the locker room, torn by discord last season."
If that's the case, why not begin the piece with this positive aspect of Tebow going to the Jets?
Far better to lead with him supposedly being "polarizing" I guess.
Sheesh!
*****Update: Denver Broncos beat writer Dan Karpiel responded to this piece by email (with permission).
Noel - I think you're smelling smoke where there is not necessarily fire on your Newsbusters.org blog post titled "ESPN Leads With 'Polarizing Quarterback Tim Tebow.'" As a sportswriter who covers the Denver Broncos, I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that Tim Tebow IS a polarizing figure - as a football player. Some strongly believe he has the tools to succeed as a NFL QB, others equally-strongly believe he does not. Did you contact or attempt to contact Rich Cimini, Jane McManus and/or the AP writer(s) who contributed this report to ESPN.com and ask for clarification of their intent?
While examples of liberal and anti-Christian bias are legion in sports journalism, particularly at the four-letter, I do not think this is a meaningful example of such bias. I'm afraid that you are over-reacting here. Like many of Tebow's supporters, you're taking valid and legitimate criticism of his ability to play quarterback as being anti-Christian. That's not the case; I'm assuming the writers of the article were referring to Tebow's play on the field as polarizing rather than his politics or religion. I myself have criticized Tebow's play and his potential to be a "franchise quarterback" in my writing and I'm a devout Christian and a TEA party conservative.
I ordinarily would not spend time contacting you on this matter however, again as someone who is intimately acquainted with the Denver Broncos, over-reactions such as yours have done Tebow far more harm than good. John Elway, the Broncos' football executive and a well-known conservative Republican, traded Tebow to the Jets today because, in addition to his inability to play QB at a level that the Denver hierarchy believes is necessary to win a Super Bowl, brings with him a plethora of fans who overreact (much as you have) to any criticism - valid or invalid, biased or honest, fair or unfair - of the young man. Elway and his staff were no longer willing to deal with those headaches and those distractions. They do not want their new QB Peyton Manning, himself a strong Christian conservative whose charitable giving outdoes Tebow's by several orders of magnitude, to have to deal with the unfair treatment by Tebow fans (who aren't necessarily football fans let alone Broncos fans) as well.
I understand it's your job to find and expose media bias. I read Newsbusters daily and I enjoy, appreciate and respect the vast majority of the work you all do. I just thought that you might be jumping the gun a little bit on this one and figured that, as an observer who is well-informed on this matter, I would take a few minutes to explain my viewpoint. I hope you do not take anything I say the wrong way.
Best wishes and keep up the good work.
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Comments
The bigotry at ESPN is getting old.
Submitted by Mike Bratton on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 1:49pm.
Between Schlereth, Hoge, Stephen Smith, and the other nattering nabobs of negativity at that network, I'm getting very creative in finding other ways to get my news regarding the world of sports.
Their anti-Christian bigotry, given an outlet in the guise of "commentary" regarding young Mr. Tebow, should be an embarrassment to their employers. Since it isn't, it's obvious their employers don't want people like me watching their networks, and they really don't want their advertisers reaching people like me.
Well, all right then.
--Mike
Skip
Submitted by Seashell on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:05pm.
I enjoy "First Take" because Skip Bayless is a Christian and a huge supporter of Tim. He (at least) tries to keep Stephen A. straight especially in regards to Tim.
I still love this.
Ditto, Seashell
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:39pm.
I was going to link that video for you, until I realized what you'd linked.
LOL....that falls under GMTA.
ESPN AND John Elway can kiss our Gator [ ]. x 1,000,000,000
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Honestly, Skip is one of the best things about ESPN.
Submitted by Mike Bratton on Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:41pm.
I try not to say this about too many people, but I'm genuinely a fan of Skip's.
Great commentary, solid command of the facts, unapologetic in his focus and delivery.
And who knew he could rap?
--Mike
Mike
Submitted by Tugboat Phil on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:19pm.
ESPN takes their marching order from the Mouse. Mickey don't like Christians.
ESPN highlighted the black hatred of Tebow yesterday
Submitted by frank14 on Thu, 03/22/2012 - 10:00am.
They said that blacks even on his own team hate Tebow because they feel that Cam Newton of the Carolina Panthers was snubbed because he is black and the white media promoted the white quarterback on Denver instead. That's why so many black players and media personalities trashed Tebow all last season even as he won all those games. The more he succeeded the more it infuriated them. The truth is that Cam started off well but then tailed off and Carolna didn't make the playoffs while Tim led Denver to an improbable AFC West title and beat Pittsburgh in the first playoff game. But blacks feel that it is racism. Barack Obama, thank you for bringing us together!
And I'm sure they omitted Cam's little scams, too
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 03/22/2012 - 10:24am.
.....didn't they?
Stealing a laptop and throwing it out the window when the cops knocked on his door, and plagiarizing another student's paper, which lead to him leaving the University of Florida as Tebow's back-up. Also the brough-ha-ha about his father demanding $180K in college for Cam's services (and the right Rev. Newton's bankrupt church sudden cash infusion). And the NCAA sweeping it (and the rest of the ugly alumni stories) under the rug for Auburn. They mentioned all that, right?
Don't get me wrong, Cam Newton is a great athlete, but he is not half the man Tim Tebow is, due to his entitlement mentality. Tim works harder than anyone else to get where he wants to go.
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ESPN
Submitted by NOLAgirl on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 1:53pm.
can BARELY be called a sports network. I don't watch unless i have to. They are so sensationalist in their reporting. Sad, really.
Not just ESPN
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:03pm.
there's open mocking of his faith all over the place.
Sure there is
Submitted by KornKing on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:06pm.
Tim Tebow is only "polarizing" to these doofises
I am sort of
Submitted by Seashell on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:22pm.
glad that the Saints suspension story broke at the same time as Tebow's to take a bit of the heat off Tim and all the haters.
Some people do find him very
Submitted by eis271828 on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:10pm.
Some people do find him very annoying. Others find him inspirational. Others don't care. Describing a person as polarizing is not an insult to that person, nor is it a commentary on any reason or reasons that person may be polarizing. I find it to be an accurate description in this case.
I must have missed the ESPN headline
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:37pm.
"Polarizing President submits NCAA Bracket"
BK, dat would be ...
Submitted by Newsbubba on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:08pm.
... "Polarizing Rat Bastard Fascist SOB submits NCAA Bracket."
Tim Tebow's only mistake is not being black. Then it would be just fine for him to be Christian, since "black" makes you pretty much bullet proof on sports news.
Bubba
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:18pm.
You fixed it, nice job.
Well, Bubba, the PRBFSOB didn't do so well
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:41pm.
He picked against my Gators early on.....and we're in the Sweet 16.
Fool. And supposedly he's some sort of BB expert. Yeah right. And very good at picking vacation spots for his family....sends his kid into a hot earthquake zone.
I wonder if he's really capable of getting dressed in the morning now that his body man took off. Seriously, one of these days he'll show up with one of Moochie's Boob Belts, and maybe some kitten heels.
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Motivation?
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:05pm.
I can't help but think to myself that the Gators' coach (and many other coaches) of teams not picked in His Majesty The Shahinshah's bracket used that as a motivational tool.
"Hey guys. Not even the President of the United States thinks you're good enough to beat (Team X). Go prove Him wrong."
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Billy D won back to back Championships
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:10pm.
He's nobody's fool.
Obama, on the other hand.....
We're still in "dark horse" status, IMO....but you never know!
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Actually, I thought it was
Submitted by killa37 on Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:00am.
Actually, I thought it was 'Polarizing petulant pompous pansy pantie-waist prick president submits NCAA bracket, while ignoring anything of substance or importance'.....................
And maybe somebody who knows more about 'inside the NFL' can tell me how a nice young man like Tim Tebow will be getting along with a fat, rude, delusional, loudmouth like Ryan????
Huh?
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:19pm.
How can he be polarizing when all he is doing are things that, last time I checked, are not against the law?
Michael Vick is more polarizing than Tebow.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Polarization is not
Submitted by eis271828 on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:32pm.
Polarization is not restricted to legality vs illegality. Anything that sparks differing strong feelings in people can be said to be polarizing in this usage of the word. I will say that "polarizing" does more often refer to someone actively seeking division. In this case, that again applies in my opinion. I think it is quite likely that being a public figure and sparking reflection and/or debate is a goal of Tim Tebow. Getting people to think about their faith, or lack thereof, is a difficult task - one that almost always involves strong feelings.
Disagree
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:53pm.
Negative. I don't think he cares about what you think or I think. He has his relationship with God and it is a cornerstone of his life.
And the last time I checked, that isn't polarizing. He's not out raping women, leading dog-fighting rings, and committing DUIs left and right.
If being a person walking the straight and narrow is somehow polarizing as you seem to think it is, it doesn't speak well for our society, whether you are religious or not.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
What's with your obsession
Submitted by eis271828 on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 5:04pm.
What's with your obsession with horrible things and the word polarizing? Raping women is far less polarizing, as everyone except for rapists are against rape.
Tim Tebow cares very much what other people think. He's actively involved in multiple evangelism efforts. That is, he wants other people to think the way he does about God. If you don't think he recognizes that being public with his faith causes discussion and therefore some reflection and therefore hopefully some conversions, then you are not giving him nearly enough credit as an evangelist.
You must not pay too much attention...
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 10:50pm.
My obsession with horrible things and the word polarizing? Have you not paid attention to ANY of the controversies surrounding some NFL players over the past 10 years?
I guess I missed his evangelizing in the huddle and the locker room. Maybe you caught him passing out Bibles to the fans before games. I missed that too. /sarc
Maybe Tebow's religiosity poses some sort of threat to you and therefore you find him polarizing? I'm not even remotely religious and I find Tebow's faith to be utterly nonthreatening. In fact, I'd make a case that is what makes him so unfazed by the pressure at the end of games - a critical skill to QBs in the league.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
I'm trying to point out that
Submitted by eis271828 on Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:48am.
I'm trying to point out that non-horrible things can be polarizing. Welfare for the poor, and/or tax cuts for the rich. Two polarizing issues, and very few people find both to be horrible. Thus, when I agree that Tebow is polarizing, I'm in no way equating him to rapists, animal abusers, or anything else particularly bad. I'm also not saying he's the most polarizing figure in sports.
For the briefest of discussions on Tim Tebow's evangelism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Tebow#Evangelism
I seem to recall some mentions of it in the news a couple months back, too. If you've ever heard evangelists talk about evangelism, they repeatedly mention witnessing and being an example, and public displays of faith and other such activities can be used to create opportunities to witness in depth. For example, reading the Gospel(s) out loud in a public area. (Or briefly kneeling to pray on a football field.) Then people come asking what it's all about, theoretically.
I'm not remotely religious either, and I too don't find Tebow's faith at all threatening. I'm one of those in the "don't care" camp. I just think it's accurate to say that he is polarizing, judging by what people I know said about him, his frequent appearances as a trending topic on twitter, and the other instances of Tebow being a current event.
Context
Submitted by Unsane on Thu, 03/22/2012 - 11:50pm.
I get that all sorts of things can be polarizing, but I am talking about the context of the NFL...
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ESPN=
Submitted by russedav on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:14pm.
Evil Sucking Poverty Network
I still find it amazing that a player who doesn't appear . . .
Submitted by Galvanic on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:36pm.
. . . to have had a bad word about his teammates or his opponents, is "polarizing."
Fortunately, he's a very mature adult who appears to be very comfortable in his own skin, and the labeling doesn't appear to bother him.
Good on Tim Tebow. He's an admirable human being and an inspiration to us all, regardless of our religious convictions.
Pro sports would be better off with more Tebows.
He's polarizing in the sports
Submitted by Uncredentialed on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:39pm.
He's polarizing in the sports world because he can't throw a football very well. That's why he's been traded for a fourth round pick to become a backup quarterback on a already dysfunctional team.
Sports talk radio in New York has been going nuts over this all afternoon and his religion hasn't been brought up once. It's not about that.
Ludicrous
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:52pm.
He's considered polarizing because of he wears his religion on his sleeve and that threatens both believers (for not measuring up) and non-believers (for not measuring up). If his football skills were so poor, he wouldn't be at the highest level of the sport.
I posted a link above from The Atlantic that typifies the media's position on Tebow. Why would you try to defend them?
Pop Tech of the sports world
Submitted by cocodrie on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:54pm.
We traded a Palin hater for a Tebow hater. Where are all your links?
Tebow is polarizing because the pantomime sportscasters hate him and are praying for him to fail.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
No cocodrie, we cannot
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:01pm.
No cocodrie, we cannot compare him to Poop Dreck yet. Poop Dreck inundated us with links upon links of anything from hating Palin to destroying Global Warming and the dangers of marijuana.
This guy is linkless. :-)
He's polarizing in the sports
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:56pm.
He's polarizing in the sports world because he can't throw a football very well
Have any proof to back up that lame response?
And for my answer to you I link you back to Blondes response to you same claim 8 or so weeks ago. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2012/01/09/bleacherreportcom-t...
I am suprised, you are a member here for 51 weeks and you have posted only twice. Both times to a Tim Tebow thread.
Interesting.
So.....is there a point there?....
Submitted by nonncom on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:05pm.
???
I don't post here very often
Submitted by Uncredentialed on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:36pm.
I don't post here very often because I agree with most of it. But I don't agree on this.
There is religious angle to the Tebow story in the mainstream press, but in the sports media it has to do with whether he can perform on the field. He has terrible mechanics, he has terrible (passing) stats, he's been crushed Tom Brady twice, and he's just been traded for a late-round draft pick.
He's been demoted and sent to the circus. That's the stuff ESPN and local print/radio outlets talk about. The kneeling business goes to SNL and CNN.
You don't know much about football, I guess
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:52pm.
Tebow's talented on many levels, but to date, he still hasn't played in the defensive backfield. That, is Tom Lady's area of attack, not the opposing sideline. So when the the Broncos lost to the Patriots, it was their defense -a position not played -or coached by Tim Tebow.
It was, however, Tebow's passing that beat the strong (as in #1 for the year) defense of Pittsburgh in a game they clearly shouldn't have been in.
Secondly, the trade details are now beginning to flush out and it's not a late round pick as you say, but a 4th and a 6th, PLUS $5M.
Ben Roethlisberger had better
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:58pm.
Ben Roethlisberger had better passing stats and therefore in your mind he is the far superior QB, but yet, he watched Brady beat up on the Broncos at home on TV.
He has terrible passing mechanics. So what? When has THIS stopped anybody? The name Bernie Kosar sound familiar? (Not a Hall of Famer but he had a respectable career and man were his sidearms funky looking.) And those get better with time. And would get much better if Fox him the opportunity to pass the ball. And Tebow REPEATEDLY hit receivers IN THE NUMBERS. So much for those horrible "mechanics".
Another guy who had HORRIBLE statistics early in his career but is now regarded as one of the greatest QBs of all time is none other than John Elway. He SUCKED early on. If he was given the same opportunity as he gave Tebow, he would have been run out of Denver before 1983 was over.
You clearly do not watch much ESPN or Broncos football.
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Oh great! A freakin' Seminole poster
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:12pm.
....which is almost as bad as a Seminar poster.
Clown School grads! (Both the Semis & the Seminars).
*gaaaaah*
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lacking credentials*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:53pm.
"there is a religious angle to the Tebow story by the mainstream media..."
That may be true but the media is highly hypocritical. Albert Pujols is the highest paid baseball player ever in the history of MLB. He is openly Christian and readily shows his beliefs...
http://losthatsportsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/pujols.jpg
He thanks the Lord every time he gets on base. When he is interviewed, he always thanks the Lord for giving him this talent. He is a strong advocate for charity and his own foundation helps those with Down Syndrome children. He is not the only openly Christian athlete who openly speak about their faith.
But you will never hear a disparaging word about any of them or even know who they are because the media has shown bias for some reason only against Tebow.
http://sportales.com/sports/10-amazing-professional-christian-athletes-a...
Ever hear negative comments about any of these guys?
I can't say I disagree with
Submitted by Uncredentialed on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 5:31pm.
I can't say I disagree with any of that. The mainstream news and entertainment media has been awful on this Tebow stuff.
My point has been that the sports media has generally stayed away from it and kept the discussion towards his on field performance, which is a legit debate.
Hey looky here, ESPN and
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 9:23pm.
Hey looky here, ESPN and Tebows religion.
Yahoo Sports and Tebows "blatant proselytizing of a fundamentalist Christian belief system"
Bleacher Report and "Why Religion Shouldn't Define His Popularity"
Fox Sports and "Why the heck do we hate Tim Tebow?"
NBC Sports on the Tim Tebow religion controversy
ESPN again on Tebow and mentioning his religion numerous times
So what was that about sports media has stayed away from it?
Also, good ole NewsBusters had this piece on how ABC altered an ESPN Reporters quote to show Tebow as an "astonishingly polarizing," "divisive figure."
How about that?
How about what?
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 10:19pm.
Your closing link will be highly disappointing to those of us such as Seashell who know Skip Bayless to be one of Tebow's most consistent and vocal supporters as pointed out earlier on this thread:
Submitted by Seashell on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:05pm.
I enjoy "First Take" because Skip Bayless is a Christian and a huge supporter of Tim. He (at least) tries to keep Stephen A. straight especially in regards to Tim.
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/03/21/espn-leads-polariz...
The "ESPN again" link was to a largely pro-Tebow article penned by AP's Arnie Stapleton. And your first ESPN link opened an obscure essay published last year by somebody named Charles Pierce in print too microscopic to make much out of it.
But, you are correct, Scube, in that the sports media did not stay away from the Tebow and religion issue. And the extent to which it was pushing the story as opposed to merely reporting it is a legitimate area of inquiry. In any event, the religious angle seems to have generally receded in recent months and was completely absent in today's ESPN Tebow commentary--at least when I was tuned in to it.
Jer
So Jer, You go through all of
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Thu, 03/22/2012 - 8:52am.
So Jer, You go through all of this:
Your closing link will be highly disappointing to those of us such as Seashell who know Skip Bayless to be one of Tebow's most consistent and vocal supporters as pointed out earlier on this thread: Submitted by Seashell on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:05pm. I enjoy "First Take" because Skip Bayless is a Christian and a huge supporter of Tim. He (at least) tries to keep Stephen A. straight especially in regards to Tim. Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/03/21/espn-leads-polariz... The "ESPN again" link was to a largely pro-Tebow article penned by AP's Arnie Stapleton. And your first ESPN link opened an obscure essay published last year by somebody named Charles Pierce in print too microscopic to make much out of it.
Just to say this:
But, you are correct, Scube
:-)
You don't watch much football
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:24pm.
You weren't watching much Broncos football last season, I see.
Sorry. He threw the ball perfecly well. I repeatedly saw the dude hit receivers in the numbers and the receivers dropped the ball. Beyond that, John Fox would not allow him to throw the ball, and as others more familiar with his college background have pointed out (ahem!), Tebow is not one to freelance.
People want to whine about how he sucks as a QB all day long. If he is this atrocious QB that you so depict, why did he take a football team left for dead at 1-4 and get them into the playoffs, and THEN win that team's first playoff game since January 2006, and only its second since Super Bowl XXXIII? Don't tell me about the defense either - they ranked in the 20s against the run and the pass.
The Broncos blew it. Big time. This will be looked upon as bad a decision as Atlanta's sending of Brett Favre to Green Bay, with Jerry Glanville calling him a "wasted draft pick". The Jets have themselves a steal.
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Untrue
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:45pm.
He was a top ranked passer in his college days. His motion is unorthodox, but as was proved at the end of this NFL season, when he has adequate receivers who run decent routes, he is QUITE a good passer.
Plus, of course, he forces defenses to DEFEND HIM, as yet another option on the field. Much to their woe if they don't account for his abilities. Plus, he enjoys hitting defenders, harder than they can hit them. He's tough as nails, and a leader.
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What happened to his skills?
Submitted by iFight on Thu, 03/22/2012 - 9:38am.
His 2011 NFL statistics have him as one of the worst QBs in the league. Probably the statistics are lying that whoppering sub-50% completion percentage, or the 124 yards passing per game. Focus on his personality coz it the statistics don't match the hype.
OK. But...
Submitted by Unsane on Thu, 03/22/2012 - 11:52pm.
Problem: the coach doesn't let him throw. Not to mention his throws frequently hit receivers IN THE NUMBERS.
Elway's 1983 stats sucked as well. And he did not win his first playoff game (note that Tebow did). Should he have been run out of Denver on a rail to begin 1984?
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I'm over here in Asia/Hawaii,
Submitted by killa37 on Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:11am.
I'm over here in Asia/Hawaii, and I'm no NFL expert, so please bear with me..............but hasn't Mark Sanchez been 'going downhill' - as far as stats and winning - since his rookie season (and, hey, I like the guy!!)?? And isn't Coach Ryan considered to be some kind of buffoon and big-mouthed idiot by a lot of people - and hasn't he proved them correct also??? I'm sure that Sanchez and Tebow are both capable of playing in the league, but there's more to it than just being the QB of a team.
And as for ESPN??? I don't pay much attention to their agenda......hell, I think Keef Olberdummy worked there, and I figured him out in about 2 minutes!!! If there is something that I want to watch, I just watch it...............but I will say that they've totally wrecked Monday Night Football, with their rotating shift of non-stop blabbermouths.
Good evening KIlla
Submitted by cocodrie on Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:24am.
When I get to watch Momday night foorball I watch with the sound on mute. The pantomime sportscasters make more sense that way.
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Stupid Elway
Submitted by shawn. on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:06pm.
I hope Tebow makes them pay on the scoreboard
The Raiduhs
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:30pm.
Why do I see the Raiduhs as the most likely team to end Manning's career?
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lol
Submitted by shawn. on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:39pm.
Gotta check out a Raider Bronco game this year.
Shawn, IIRC, that's the first game on their schedules
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:50pm.
Should be good.
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Right on bkeyser! Can't wait
Submitted by Glenn on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:08pm.
Right on bkeyser! Can't wait to see that headline
Poetic Justice Requires
Submitted by HardRightTurn on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:09pm.
The Denver Broncos will rue the day. Peyton Manning's career is washed up -- it's just that no one knows it yet. Tim Tebow will come back to defeat the Broncos in a critical game this season. And he will do it with great gusto, deservedly so. Thus John Elway's career in football management comes to an early end. Ha ha ha. He who laughs last laughs loudest.
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From a very unhappy Broncos fan
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:28pm.
As a Broncos fan, I totally agree. John Elway may be one of the greatest QBs ever to play the game but he sucks in the front office. How the hell do you give up on a potential future QB that could give you 10-15 years of success in favor of a guy past his prime, coming off of a season where he didn't play because of a neck injury, who is one serious hit away from being done in the NFL?
If Manning takes a hit midway through 2012, say, that ends his career, and the Colts-West have no one to turn to and wind up looking like the Colts did in 2011 as a result...well, don't say I didn't warn you.
If anyone gets me a Manning jersey I will burn it in disgust.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
And how does Tebow end up
Submitted by killa37 on Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:14am.
And how does Tebow end up being a fourth round draft pick??? That's a real slap in the face!!!
Unsane, are you in Colorado?
Submitted by panzerakc on Fri, 03/23/2012 - 12:20am.
I am, and the night of the announcement of Tebow's trade, the CBS/Denver station took a poll, asking the question, "Are you more or less of a Broncos fan now that Tebow has been traded to the Jets?"
The sportscaster seemed astonished that 80% of the folks who participated in the poll responded LESS. He then proceeded to lecture the audience with "what do you expect the Broncos to do?"
I dunno, make their fans happy???
Nope, not in CO
Submitted by Unsane on Fri, 03/23/2012 - 1:52am.
I'm not in CO though I lived there for a time (hence my Bronco fan status). Are you in Denver? Anything else you can add in regards to reaction from fans in CO?
Pity me; I am surrounded by Cryboy fans down here in TX. Well, don't pit me too much, they can be fun to beat up.
As for your last comment: indeed. The only people in the Broncos organization who couldn't have known about the popularity of Tebow probably also have a zero pulse. I cannot believe that Pat Bowlen went along with this; ultimately, it is his team, not Elway's. What I would have told that smartass sportscaster (on KCNC if I remember my affiliates correctly) is "I expect the Broncos to make sound football decisions and not roll the dice on a 35-year-old QB, past his prime, coming off of four neck surgeries."
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
The liberal left
Submitted by ForeverOnTheRight on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:15pm.
has become what it proclaimes it hates, intolerant bigots on par with the KKK. They just don't honestly admit it, yet. No cross burning no hoods, no ralies etc. Just ACLU, People For the American Way, ABC, NBC, CNN. MSNBC etc. etc.
More of same on Yahoo
Submitted by spallatial on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:29pm.
"one of the most divisive players in the league". How so?
Here's how Tebow is
Submitted by Uncredentialed on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:57pm.
Here's how Tebow is divisive:
#1. Some fans think he's one of best quarterbacks in the league.
#2. Not a single team in the league thought he was worth trading a third round draft pick for him.
For the resident Tebow hater
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:04pm.
I don't think that, as it stands now, he is one of the greatest QBs in the league, but he's got the material there to become one. He can take over the games by himself if need be. To me, that says a lot.
As to point #2: Teams have picked QBs in the first round that went absolutely nowhere but were such sure things! Ryan Leaf, anyone?
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
~Who?
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:05pm.
.
Ryan Leaf, Bru...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:13pm.
The chump who cost Manning the Heisman trophy because Leaf supposedly was the better QB with more "upside" potential.
Jer
Jer
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:20pm.
As far as Peyton goes, I like the man. But for reasons which I'm sure are clear to you, I hope he fails. I want Elway to be embarrassed. As he should be for his incredibly callous treatment of The Tebow.
I'm glad I don't live in Denver and am not a lifelong Broncos fan. Because I would be livid. As it is, I will watch whatever team Tebow plays for (which is kind of funny, as the Jets are the anti-Olphins).
It's all good. Tim will do fine, in life, which is where it matters. I think he's just enjoying the ride, w/football.
Finally, I must agree that Peyton was robbed, in re: the Heisman. Having said that, I must remind you that he never beat my Gators. (wish I had a "poke" emote).
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I know, Blonde...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:31pm.
sadly, even the magnificent Manning couldn't beat your Gators by himself.
So, the ultimate football award--de facto reserved for QBs and RBs--was handed to a junior defensive back, as if Peyton hadn't done enough to earn it. Shameful.
Jer
Yet another Broncos rant from a disgusted fan
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 11:02pm.
I'm glad I don't live in Denver and am not a lifelong Broncos fan. Because I would be livid Hey, I don't live in Denver - I did once, back when I was 11, and I have been a fan of the Broncos ever since that formative time - but I am a HUGE Broncos fan and I am very p****d off.
When I was working, one of the guys responsible for training broke the news to me about the Manning deal. He told me because, as he said, it was better i know as soon as the news broke. He knew I'd be furious about it. And I was. It was the talk around the proverbial water cooler all day. The guys there, most of them being Cryboys fans, could not figure out why I was so bent out of shape about it, because my team just had a Hall-of-Famer fall into the Broncos' lap. But they are Cryboy fans, and the typical Cryboy fan doesn't know jack about football.
So here I am off from work, enjoying my little reorganization project, when I hear Tebow was traded on the radio. Due to the reorganization, my place is a wreck. My family knows me; I am sure that if they were to drop by my pad they would assume that I destroyed the place upon hearing about Tebow. I was, and am, foaming at the mouth about it. I haven't been this ashamed to be a Broncos fan since Super Bowl XXIV. And I think this is actually worse - SB XXIV was one embarrassing game, but it was a single game. The effects of this will last for years. And if Tebow blows up elsewhere and becomes great for another team? I, and many of my fellow Broncos faithful, are going to rue the day this happened.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
I was thinking of you when I wrote that, Uns
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 03/22/2012 - 10:33am.
as a "REAL" Broncos fan.
Elway is really rolling the dice on this one, and I have to wonder what Manning's salary is going to do the cap. Can't help the Broncos fill the holes with top flight players with that much going to Peyton.
Time will tell how it all ends up....but one thing I am certain of, the media will continue to trash Tebow because of the way he lives his life, and particularly for refusing to play their game.
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"Tebow hater"
Submitted by Uncredentialed on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 5:05pm.
Let me be clear. I think Tebow is a great man and a tremendous athlete. I also have no issue with his public displays of religious faith (and this is coming from a secular Jew).
I just don't think he can throw a football very well. It's not just me. It's not just Elway. Not a single team in the league made a significant offer to trade for him to be their starting quarterback in 2012.
That's why he's polarizing. Many fans love him and think he can be a champion. Others think he can't throw at a pro level and will get crushed each time he matches up in a shootout with the likes of Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and the Mannings.
Hmmm
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 5:35pm.
So you've got to be one of the top QB's to be a worthy of the NFL? You realize Tom Lady backed up Drew Bledsoe; Drew Brees backed up Doug Flutie, Aaron Rodgers backed up Brett Favre, Peyton Manning was 3-13 in his rookie year with 28 INT's, and Eli Manning has a career QB Rating of 82.1.
Secondly, both the Rams and the Jags were in play for a Tebow trade but couldn't abide by the Denver terms relative to the cash element. It is this element that has thrown a wrench into the Jets deal.
The point here is that people aren't going around saying Tebow is the best QB in football or that he'll be the next Johnny U. But he is a talented football player, or he wouldn't be in the league at all. Now, it may turn out that he doesn't have an Elway-like career, but most QB's don't. How many highly touted NFL QB's have failed to live up to expectations? And yet Tebow was never highly touted as a pro QB. What he was, was highly maligned by the press for no other reason than his religious beliefs. It is the "Super Bowl commercial" that is continually brought up. It is his bending on one knee that people imitate. Not his throwing motion, not his toughness, not his leadership.
Finally, every year players are drafted to fill a special purpose. Every year players are traded or signed as free agents to fill a special and limited purpose. Some are paid quite well comparatively; consider return specialists. So, Tim Tebow may never be a starting QB, but that doesn't mean his value isn't real and in specific areas. It's likely the Jets and Rex Ryan -who likes the wildcat element on offense- wanted Tebow to fill that specific role, as well as bring a calming and stable force to a volatile and divisive locker room.
You're making unfair, straw man arguments.
You may think he's a good
Submitted by Uncredentialed on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 5:45pm.
You may think he's a good capable starting quarterback. I don't think he is.
Many people share both views. That's what the debate is in the sports media. It's not about religion until you turn on MSNBC and such.
Do you think he won
Submitted by cocodrie on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 5:54pm.
Do you think he won games by getting the opposing team to take a nap?
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Uncreditied, I didn't say
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 8:35pm.
"he's a good and capable starting quarterback." Did you read my post at all? It's only a debate if one side is making a claim inverse to the other. Which sports pundits are out there claiming Tebow is the next Dan Marino? (Okay, that's a straw man. I'll use your words: Which sports pundit is making the claim that Tebow is a good and capable starting QB?) Few, if any. They know he's a work in progress. He may pan out, he may not. But Denver didn't draft him to be the starting QB on day one.
That's why his performance is not the issue behind the debate. The issue is: Should a sports figure be allowed to show overt displays of religion on the field? That makes some people uncomfortable and that's the polarizing issue.
Damn. Nothing personal against you -I don't know you and I'm not offended by your opinion- but you're flat out wrong saying that his football skills are what makes him "polarizing". There are hundreds of NFL players every year with marginal NFL football skills that no one has ever heard of. How do you explain that? Are NFL practice squad players "polarizing" figures? Come on, this is just a stupid argument you're making.
Good points, bk...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 6:18pm.
Would it be reasonable to stipulate that Tebow is polarizing due to his overt religious displays and the debate over his football skills? It seemed to me the brief references by ESPN to polarization involved the latter, but even if applicable to one or both, they appeared to be merely a nod to reality. While some have questioned his future as a pro QB, there hasn't, to my knowledge, been a word of criticism by anyone on ESPN this afternoon about his demonstrative Christianity, and a great deal of recognition for his commendable character.
Jer
You're missing something Jer,
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 8:46pm.
It's been established that Tebow is polarizing. "Why" isn't the issue any longer; it's just a given. Secondly, his commendable character shout outs are a lagging indicator, as it were. Tebow has proven himself to be true to his beliefs, something most people don't often credit overtly religious people for being. Catholic priests, cheating politicians, etc. all give people reason to be suspect of overtly religious public figures. And, frankly, it's a tough position to take and live up to. But they pre-labeled him a hypocrit-in-waiting and mocked him for beliefs -particularly on pre-marital sex. They created a caricature and wrote about it to death. There's no reason to re-hash it in every new discussion of the guy.
So just because ESPN didn't say "Tim Tebow, the virgin (haha) starting quarterback for the Denver Broncos at the end of last season has been traded to the New York Jets" doesn't mean their mockery isn't based on his religious views.
Another thing: the media was rightly chastized for attacking him solely on his beliefs, so now they alter their criticism to his throwing motion, or his inaccuracy, or his footwork. It's typical CYA. Not those aren't legitimate complaints, but that wasn't what they focused on until they were called out for their religious bigotry.
Again...
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 11:13pm.
The more you type, the more convinced I am that you are not a serious football fan. A casual fan, at best.
Good example - Joe Namath. He's a Hall of Famer, but look at his stats. They are HORRIBLE for a Hall of Fame QB.
Or John Elway himself. He should have been run out of town in 1983. When he was traded to Denver from the Baltimore Colts, some of the fans had crazy expectations for him. But he was utter garbage his rookie year. Many a time that year he was benched in favor of Steve DeBerg. In his first playoff game, Seattle destroyed Denver, 31-7.
And in fact, he was seen as a QB who couldn't perform in the playoffs. And aging Terry Bradshaw bested him in 1984 after the Broncos went 13-3. The Broncos went 11-5 in 1985 but made history by being the first team in NFL history to win that many games and not make the playoffs.
The single game that redeemed Elway and turned things around was the 1986 AFC Championship on 11 January 1987. The Broncos at the Browns - where the infamous series of plays known as The Drive took place. And even then, he was STILL castigated as a loser until he got his first ring at Super Bowl XXXII - in his second to last NFL season!
I think he CAN throw a football very well indeed. If he can't, maybe you or those other teams can explain how he managed to beat a team - the Pittsburgh Steelers - with the #1 RANKED PASS DEFENSE in the freaking playoffs! Roethlisberger is considered an elite NFL QB by many, and what did he do? He was sent packing by Tebow in a game the Steelers should have won, at least on paper.
Yes, Brady beat Tebow twice in a year, once in the regular season, and once in the playoffs - but as another poster pointed out, Tebow does not play defense. He does not play a series as QB and then go out on the field and play SS or FS in the secondary for a defensive series.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Tebow quarterbacked his team
Submitted by Uncredentialed on Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:48am.
Tebow quarterbacked his team to playoffs last year and now none of the 32 teams in the league think he is worthy of starting role. That's a fairly unique situation and it's split the football world in half on both sides. Thus he's polarizing.
You're on the other side of the debate and that's fine. I'm just trying to show that there is indeed an actual debate.
Fine
Submitted by Unsane on Fri, 03/23/2012 - 12:03am.
Even CNBC's sports biz guy (Darrell Revelle? something like that) said this morning on Squawk Box that the source of Tebow's polarization, as far as the sports world is concerned, is Tebow's faith.
Statistically: again, look at Elway's rookie year. Look at the rookie years of many of the QBs, both good, respectable, and truly great. They suck. Tebow has been given less of a chance than any of them. And it is idiotic.
OK, so Tebow wasn't a statistical beast. Big deal; again, 2011 was essentially Tebow's rookie year. (If no one rolls him out in 2012 to see if he has improved, we simply won't know, and it will be our loss, "our" being the overall community of football fans and people involved in the game.) And in that rookie year, Tebow actually won his first playoff game. Did Elway? No.
My friends both here and across the country are of the mind that I should shut up and "Cheer up! Your team has perhaps the greatest QB of all time!" Yeah, but did you know that in the past five years, Manning has won exactly twice as many playoff games as Tebow?
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Gino
Submitted by gfrrman on Fri, 03/23/2012 - 1:09am.
Gino Toretta..........anyone!!!..............Gino Torreta? Heisman winner............lmao. A 34-13 loss in Nat'l Chpshp of '92.
....ANYONE!! giiiiiinoooooooooooooooooo............
g
Tim to St. Louis??
Submitted by Seashell on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:36pm.
Now ESPN is saying Tim might be going to St. Louis instead of NY. Some kind of "snag" in language of contract or something. WHAT????? Sheeesh!
Yep, Seashell
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:45pm.
WRINKLE. Elway wants the picks (a 4th and a 6th is what's now being reported on the NFL Network) AND $5M. Apparently this particular element is almost always waived in trades -it has to do with the fact that much of the Tebow contract money was paid upfront. This is typical. But if a player retires before the end of his contract, he is obligated to return to the club the pro-rated amount. Elway wants that money. He won't get it.
bkeyser
Submitted by Seashell on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:52pm.
I hate Elway more and more each day. What an a--hole.
Tebowie
Not an Elway fan either
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:38pm.
As a Baltimorean, it's hard to forget that Elway was drafted #1 by the Colts but refused to play. The Colts ended up trading him to Denver because he didn't want to play for a tough coach.
Spring of '83
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 11:43pm.
I seem to remember hearing about how he called the Colts coach of the time a "jerk" and threatened to go play for the New York Yankees, who drafted Elway in 1981.
Yeah, I could imagine he isn't very popular in Baltimore even now.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Yep, Uns
Submitted by bkeyser on Thu, 03/22/2012 - 10:43am.
That's pretty much it. Funny, Eli did something similar when he was drafted- wouldn't play in San Diego, as I recall.
In Defense of ESPN....
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:08pm.
I've watched most of the coverage on ESPN2 since the trade was announced [btw, a snag has developed which could nullify the transaction with the Jets] and there hasn't been a single shot directed at Tim Tebow's faith, morality, Christianity, etc. Not one! Zilch! Nada!
Yes, it was mentioned he was polarizing but in the same breath it was noted how immensely popular Tim is in Denver and elsewhere. The ONLY criticism of Tebow by any of the ESPN announcers has been in the context of his football skills. His leadership abilities and character have been uniformly praised.
I know there are those determined to see this as another battle in the War of the Godless Liberal Media Against Christianity, but this wasn't even a skirmish.
Jer
edit. I notice others have mentioned the "snag". I began this post about thirty minutes ago, was interrupted and just now finished it.
Jumping the gun
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:10pm.
You may be too early, Jer. Any cliche about counting chickens will do.
I can't imagine the State of Colorado is a very happy place to be today.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
How about not counting chickens before they hatch,
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:24pm.
but waiting until they start to scratch.
If and when ESPN starts firing their guns at Tim's religion or displays of faith, I'll gladly join in the criticism of the network for doing so.
Jer
BTW...burn Elway's jersey, not Manning's.
No chance
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:31pm.
I realize you have an obsequious love of all things Manning. Never mind that he did NOTHING of note in college - never beat his rival, and fortunately did not get a Heisman as he did not deserve it. But I'm burning his jersey, not Elway's. For though Elway sucks as a football executive, he at least was a great QB for the Broncos.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
I admire his talent and his achievements on the field, Unsane...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 5:27pm.
I "love" even more what he has done off the field--despite the fact Peyton's a Republican. :-)
"Never mind that he did NOTHING of note in college* - never beat his rival, and fortunately did not get a Heisman as he did not deserve it."
Nothing personal, but except for the "never beat his rival" part, that is the most ridiculous comment ever posted at Newsbusters not involving politics or ideology.
Jer
Records - 2 NCAA, 7 SEC, 33 Tennessee - Total 42
NCAA
Season Lowest INT Percentage 1995 - 1.05% (4 of 380 attempts)
Career Lowest INT Percentage 1994-1997 2.39% (33 of 1381)
SEC
Career Passing Yards 11,201
Completions 863
Total Offense 11,020
Completion Percentage 62.49%
INT Percentage 2.39%
Most 300+ yard games 18
Season Lowest INT Percentage 1.05% (1995)
TENNESSEE RECORDS - 33 Career (16) Most TD passes (89) Most TDs responsible for (101 - 89 passing, 12 rushing) Most 500-yard passing games (1) Most 400-yard passing games (3) Most 300-yard passing games (18) Most 200-yard passing games (30) Consecutive 300-yard passing games (7) Most Passing yards (11,201) Most Pass Attempts (1381) Most Pass Completions (863) Highest Completion Pct. (62.49) Lowest Interception Pct. (2.39) Most Total Offense yards (11,020) Most Total Offense plays (1534) Total Off. Yards per game (250.5 - 44 for 11,020) Most Yards per play (7.18 - 1534 for 11,020)
Season (10) Most Passing Yards (3819 in 1997) Most Passing Touchdowns (36 in 1997) Most Pass Attempts (477 in 1997) Most Pass Completions (287 in 1997) Highest Comp. Pct. (min. 300 att.) (64.2 in 1995) Lowest Interception Pct. (1.05 in 1995; 4 of 380) Consecutive Passes without an Interception (132) Most 300-yard passing games (9 in 1997) Most Total Offense Yards (3789 in 1997) Most Total Offense Plays (538 in 1997)
Game (7) Most TD Passes (5 vs. Texas Tech, Kentucky, 1997) Most Passing Yards (523 vs. Kentucky, 1997) Most Pass Attempts (65 vs. Florida, 1996) Most Pass Completions (37 vs. Florida, 1996) Most Total Offense Plays (70 vs. Florida, 1996) Most Total Offense Yards (508 vs. Kentucky, 1997) Consec. Pass Comps. (12 vs. Kentucky, 1997)
*Posted just in case you are interested in reviewing some of the 'nothing of note' Manning accomplished while in college [where, at the end of his career at TN, he had won more games than had any other QB at any other school in the history of college football].
You forgot
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 10:59pm.
NEVER BEAT THE FLORIDA GATORS.
NEVER.
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Forget? Not a chance, Blonde...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 11:36pm.
As long as I am here and you are here to remind me.
:-)
Jer
Exactly!
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 11:40pm.
Jer missed that part about "Manning never beating his rival."
Last I checked, the University of Tennessee's big rival IS -
A little school in Gainesville, FL!
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Oh please, Unsane...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 11:57pm.
I listened to the 'can't beat FL' crap that the Michigan-loving, Charles Woodson-promoting shills at ESPN were peddling daily. I couldn't forget it if I tried.
Jer
And they've gone out of their way to praise Manning ever since, because they're embarrassed as hell about it.
Peyton's house: on I Am Florida's B***h Dr.
Submitted by Unsane on Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:20am.
Charles Woodson deserved the Heisman that year. Period. Get over it.
The Heisman is given to the best player in college football. Not the one most likely to go #1 in the draft. Not the one most likely to go to the Hall of Fame. The best player in college football. And that year, it was Charles Woodson.
If Manning would have aken his team to a championship, sure, I could have seen him getting the Heisman. However, it is hard to get to the championship when you are Florida's b***h.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
So Manning, the consensus preseason Heisman favorite
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:36am.
and the future #1 pick in the draft, was so lousy; and Woodson was such a uniquely spectacular, once-in-a-lifetime athlete that he deserved to be the only defensive player in the history of the sport to be awarded the Heisman?
I can't even deal with such staggering nonsense.
Jer
Jer, Woodson was better.
Submitted by Unsane on Fri, 03/23/2012 - 12:05am.
Can you tell me where it states that NO defensive player, EVER, EVER EVER EVER, can win a Heisman?
Oh, you can't?
Charles Woodson, who was on a team that actually had a shot at an undisputed title (unlike Manning), was better, and got the Heisman.
GET.
OVER.
IT.
At least try to at some point after you brush Peyton Manning's teeth with your tongue. Homer.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Really, Unsane...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 03/23/2012 - 12:46am.
Why wasn't he the top pick instead of Manning?
Look, ftr, Vandy is my "home" team. But having been born in TN, lived there for much of my life, attended Vol games from the time I was five years old, I also root for TN. However, I like and support ALL of the SEC teams.
And I especially admire Peyton Manning for his achievements on and off the field--an outstanding role model. So I'll continue to speak up for him. Get over it.
Jer
One more end note: I'm not knocking Charles Woodson. He was an excellent defensive back at Michigan and he has had a great pro career. He also appears to be a fine young man as well. But he wasn't a player of such unprecedented talent and accomplishments that it warranted awarding the Heisman--for the only time ever--to someone who excelled on defense. Look at the list of recipients: Nearly all QBs, RBs and a few WRs. Check out the QBs who have won the trophy over the past few decades. Not one of them compares favorably with Manning.
Easy...
Submitted by Unsane on Fri, 03/23/2012 - 2:01am.
Hey, I'm not knocking you for your support of Manning. What I AM knocking you for is his not winning the Heisman and you still harboring a grudge about it. I'm sorry it wasn't given to him and renamed the Manning Trophy in 1997. I likewise apologize that the Heisman is given to the best college football player in the country, regardless of position.
But the rest of America has moved on from that devastating tragedy.
I will admit to not being a big fan of Peyton simply because he is a pocket passer and pocket passers are boring as hell to me. But then, I grew up watching Elway play, so what do you expect me to think of pocket passers?
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
"But the rest of America has moved on from that devastating
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 03/23/2012 - 2:17am.
tragedy."
Touche`.
:-)
Jer
Seven YEARS in a row, Jer
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:39am.
Even though my Gators have had a relatively rare crummy two years.
Prepare for #8.
Because Double D isn't going to be able to do it this year, either. We're truly going to break the Stick Boy.
Book it.
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I'm always prepared, Blonde...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:47am.
You're not holding Peyton responsible for those seven straight losses as well, are you? ;-)
And please tell me you at least root for TN in bowl games.
Jer
Did you even play a bowl game this year?
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 03/22/2012 - 10:40am.
No, I have to say I don't....because I don't watch those minor "who cares" bowl games.
Firing Phat Phil wasn't TN's greatest hour....and I hope Elway suffers the same fate.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Fire John Elway
Submitted by Unsane on Fri, 03/23/2012 - 12:08am.
There is already a "Fire John Elway" movement developing, at least on Facebook.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
The trick is my friend...
Submitted by Rukus on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 11:46pm.
Elway will be Tebow's biotch in 2 seasons, just watch. Tebow will do it. Just watch.
And just to say, I, unlike a certain beautiful Gator lovin' lady here (who hates us "Bammers") , love the Gators a lot, they are my second most favorite SEC team. Tebow was one of the best, if not THE best QB to ever come from college football. That said, he had a partial season and they weren't supposed to do anything, much less go to the playoffs and win against the supposed champs... says a lot! He's a winner, plain and simple. I see big things from Tebow, he may even put Peyton to shame givin' time. Just my 2cents...
Ruk...
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:45am.
The only reason I hate Bammers (not you, of course)....is because they beat the rest of us like red-headed steps. After a couple of years of that....well.
Some day the tables will turn. But until then...I get to say "Bammers"! (yeah, I know....ya'll get to say "Rammer Jammer Yeller Hammer".)
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Also being a "Bammer"
Submitted by gfrrman on Fri, 03/23/2012 - 12:58am.
I too have been a Gator fan. Have spent wkends @ Neyland, Gainesville, Athens, etc.. partying with these fans. I
too remember back in the "Evil Genius" era that Florida had a firm lock on things. Not seeing it anytime soon with them, but I ALWAYS love to see them spank the "Dawgs"!!
Tebow doesn't NEED football...he will be successful in whatever he prefers to do. Class act, fierce competitor, proven winner and a solid individual.
g
Gentlemen
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:42pm.
If you are going to talk chickens perhaps you should contact our resident expert Bru. She'll know exactly when they can be counted.
I hope this news pleases the Jets fan in my house. It's hard enough living with adult children..
Right
Submitted by Uncredentialed on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:52pm.
That's been my point. I don't know what MSNBC has been saying about him. But I've been skipping between ESPN on tv, WFAN (NY) on radio, and all the top NFL twitter feeds and nobody is even mentioning religion or praying or anything like that. This the same debate that everybody had about Kordell Stewart 15 years ago.
In the eyes of the left ...
Submitted by Fredy on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:09pm.
Tebow is polarizing for things he has done, things he has not done, and for simply being ALIVE!
The left absolutely detests the fact that Tebow was NOT ABORTED before he was ever born!
This is why abortion supporters detest Tebow and find him POLARIZING! They never want to see any statement that abortion is WRONG in the media. Tebow exposes their hatred every time he is on TV.
Even more than politics, I love sports,,
Submitted by NJRightWinger12 on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 5:52pm.
and on the surface, theres nothing better than an all sports network, but I find Im watching liberal ESPN less and less, to the point that I dont even put it on in the morning, AND I used to watch that over getting my morning fill of coffee! Their snide comments, the liberal slant, the quotes from noted leftists and overrated jerks like LeBron and Fat Chas Barkeley, etc. Of COURSE they hate Tebow-geez, when will they get off of it?
I'm going to LMAO at Jerk Elway if it turns out Manning is...
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 5:59pm.
...washed up.
Nothing against Manning, as he will probably be voted into the Hall of Fame the first year he is eligible, and deservedly so.
But he hasn't played in over a year, and a really big hit by a 300 lb lineman could instantly end his career.
And he ain't exactly a spring chicken in the age department, either.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Dave
Submitted by Seashell on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 7:12pm.
I think all here love or at least respect Manning as one of the best of the best, and we all wish him well. However, you are right about Elway and his taking such a tremendous gamble on him. No one knows how Manning will hold up to actually playing w/linebackers trying to crush him.
I don't wish any harm to Manning, but it WOULD serve Elway right to be stuck with no quarterback. I think he had a pretty good one in Tebow and all the potential he has. Elway would have been smart to try and keep Tim around for at least a while to see how Manning does and have him for a back-up. But noooooo. He just wanted to get rid of Tim ASAP so whatever happens is on him. Very foolish I think.
Perfect
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 11:37pm.
Thanks, Dave, for crystallizing everything I have been saying about this in one neat, perfectly to digest post.
I'm a die-hard, bleeding orange and blue Broncos fan, so for me, this is utterly painful, and infuriating to watch.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
LOL, Uns.
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:45am.
"bleeding orange & blue".
There's a lot of that going around!!!!
*ahem*
GO GATORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
With Tim Tebow going to the
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Thu, 03/22/2012 - 10:19am.
With Tim Tebow going to the New York Jets I am in a small quandary. I live in NYC but I am a die hard Dolphins fan and the Jets are our rivals.
I want Tim to succeed and win many games against the Broncos but I will be rooting AGAINST him when they play against my team.
Good morning Scoob
Submitted by cocodrie on Thu, 03/22/2012 - 10:38am.
Just say an act of contrition after the game and everything will be OK.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Gracias Coco. :-)
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:12pm.
Gracias Coco. :-)