Rick Santorum Says 'Phony Theology' Controversy Is 'Media Trying to Destroy Conservatives'
As NewsBusters has been reporting, America's press have for the past 48 hours been in a coordinated attack on Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum cherry-picking the same sentences from a lengthy speech he gave Saturday in order to falsely accuse him of impugning President Obama's religious beliefs.
On Monday, the former Pennsylvania Senator discussed the matter with Fox News's Sean Hannity claiming that this is another example of "media trying to destroy conservatives" (video follows with transcript and commentary):
SEAN HANNITY, HOST: It is interesting because the President himself, you know, he used a quote at that prayer breakfast you just referenced here, “For unto whom much is given, much shall be required.” Wasn’t he using that to justify in that particular case him quote “raising taxes on the rich” so he can redistribute wealth? I mean, was he questioning the Christian faith of those that think we;re overtaxed? Can we interpret it that way?
As I watched you on Face the Nation this weekend I was thinking, you know, why does the media have this double standard when it comes to President Obama?
RICK SANTORUM: Well, it’s perfectly clear. I mean, this is standard, I’ll be honest this is standard fare. I mean I’m not saying anything particularly new here. I mean, what we’ve been talking about, the radical environmental agenda that puts the earth over the needs of man, that doesn’t understand that the best way to create a sound environment is for people to be doing well and to have prosperity. You go to countries where in fact mankind is not doing well, let me assure you, the last thing they worry about is the environment. It depends on America’s growth and prosperity so we can in fact be good, you know, husband the environment as the way we should. And that’s all I was talking about.
And for them to continually distort, this is the kind of stuff that I think is, is actually I think one of the reasons we’re doing well in the polls, because people see it for what it is. They see the national media trying to destroy conservatives.
Readers are encouraged to see "Media Cherry Pick 41-Minute Santorum Speech to Misrepresent Obama's ‘Phony Theology’" and "Ed Schultz Falsely Claims Santorum's 'Phony Theology' Charge an 'Attack on the President's Faith'" for more on this matter.
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Obama, the infanticist, is
Submitted by Old Europe on Tue, 02/21/2012 - 12:37am.
Obama, the infanticist, is not a Christian! He is a hypocrite and Jesus warned us against these liars who destroy Christianity from within by posing as progressive Christians who deem the Bible, just like the Constitution, as open to modern interpretation. Hell yeah, do Call Obama on his fake Christianity! Sitting in a racist church for over 20 years! How about digging into that, democrat-run media?
who the hell are you to
Submitted by goldwater89 on Tue, 02/21/2012 - 1:19am.
who the hell are you to question someone's faith?
⇒ A discerner of spirit?
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Tue, 02/21/2012 - 1:28am.
President Obama, while still an Illinois legislator, openly lobbied for a doctor's prerogative to kill newborn babies.
What would Jesus do?
What would goldwater89 do?
Choose you this day whom you will serve. You never know. This may be your last call to Salvation.
If Obama is a Christian then
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Tue, 02/21/2012 - 2:07am.
If Obama is a Christian then he has some perverted idea of what Christ wants us to be. Of course many lefties think the same of me.
Boy Barry is what I would
Submitted by killa37 on Tue, 02/21/2012 - 2:38am.
Boy Barry is what I would call a 'fair-weather' Christian - and that's giving him the benefit of the doubt. He'll pretend to be a Christian - and lately he's even gone to church a few times - just to give the impression to the dumbells, idiots, fools, ignoramious', brainwashed..............as well as psuedo-intellectuals like goldwater 89.............in order to keep them thinking that he actually cares about any of this. He does the same thing with the mooooooooooooooooooooooslem faith too, although I think he's a little more committed to the 'religion of peace' than he is to the teaching of Jesus -especially as it relates to the USA, since it was founded by a bunch of Christian white guys.
And we HAVE heard Barry talk about moooooooooooooooslems being a part of American history, and his 'fact' that the USA is one of the biggest mooooooooooooooooooslem nations on earth, and the 'sweet sound' of the call to prayer, and the documented fact that he can read Arabic very well, and many other things that point to his religious leanings.
And let's not forget that Rev. Wright USED TO BE a mooooooooooooooooooslem.......................but, hey, Boy Barry never really heard anything while he was in that 'black theology' church of Christianity, right??
And you dopes want to talk about Obama's 'Christianity'??? C'mon, goldwater - let me hear another snotty remark.
And not just to kill them
Submitted by Tugboat Phil on Tue, 02/21/2012 - 9:50am.
but in the event of a baby surviving the attempted kill, to prevent anyone else of rendering aid to the baby and allowing it to slowly die, without the most basic of comforts that we routinely provide to captured Islamists.
Goldy
Submitted by kilrod on Tue, 02/21/2012 - 9:06am.
I am who i am, who the hell are you to question anyone?
(grins) kilrod "the Birther"
"Here Lies Lester Moore, 4 Slugs From a 44, No Les, No More" on a tombstone in Arizona. h/t MD
If an unborn child cannot trust you, why should I,??
Chew on this, Goldwater.
Submitted by Mike Bratton on Tue, 02/21/2012 - 9:24am.
Barack Obama, quoted in the Chicago Sun-Times' 2004 interview with Cathleen Falsani: "I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people."
Jesus Christ, quoted in John 14:6: "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
Obama, by his own words, is not a Christian. It is not up for discussion.
--Mike
It's time to ban this GDMF troll
Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 02/21/2012 - 9:33am.
Damn are you ever an annoying, government-educated moron of a PITA and barely literate a-hole.
Go doink your sister, or something.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
And another thing,
Submitted by killa37 on Tue, 02/21/2012 - 1:36pm.
And another thing, goldenshower - who the hell is Barry Soetoro Barack Hussein Obama - the biggest scam ever perputrated on this country in the history of the Republic - to 'fundamentally transform this nation' and turn it into his vision of a misery-ridden, communist, second-rate nation??? And you, you total moron, are worried about US 'questioning his faith'??? We've allready SEEN where his 'faith' is, and he proves it every day.
This is why you Tea Party
Submitted by goldwater89 on Tue, 02/21/2012 - 2:06pm.
This is why you Tea Party folks have become a laughing stock. Every other word out of your mouth is "Communist this, Muslim that." I don't like the man's politics but I don't for a second, question his faith. That's one of the most despicable things a person can do.
Goldwater89, Seriously? It
Submitted by Liberallies on Tue, 02/21/2012 - 2:14pm.
Goldwater89,
Seriously? It is despicable to question someone else's faith? what world do you live in? Oh wait, it is despicable to question Barack Obama's faith, but you have zero problem questioning Santorum's, Bachman's...I see what world you live in. Hypocrite.
What is despicable is claiming that somehow bullying only happens to homosexuals. What is despicable is taking quotes out of context so you can paint candidates you hate as lunatics. What is despicable is crying over bullying tactics and staying silent when they are used on a daily basis by radical Left wingers from your side. Oh wait...never mind, you aren't a Democrat, right? hahaha!
Where did I question their
Submitted by goldwater89 on Tue, 02/21/2012 - 4:12pm.
Where did I question their faith? Sure, they're Christians. Warped in their views, but still Christians.
Yes, I'm a Republican. Not one on the fringe like you however.
Unfortunately, "warped" doesn't equal "stuff you don't like."
Submitted by Mike Bratton on Tue, 02/21/2012 - 4:23pm.
And as for being on the fringe, passing up real facts and evidence to put your own subjective spin on things isn't exactly middle-of-the-road.
Of course, it's easy to slap labels on people, and to call them names, in lieu of well-grounded discussion.
--Mike
OK goldenshower - since
Submitted by killa37 on Tue, 02/21/2012 - 4:49pm.
OK goldenshower - since you're 'fighting' so hard to protect Boy Barry's religious beliefs, and these other folks that you mentioned are 'warped in their view' Christians..................maybe you can educate all of us 'laughing stock TEA Partiers' as to the 'un-warped views' of Boy BlahBlah's faith????
C'mon, meat, let's hear it.
Goldwater89, And you
Submitted by Liberallies on Tue, 02/21/2012 - 5:52pm.
Goldwater89,
And you continue your charade.
They are Christians, but they have warped views on Christianity? Yet, you claim that you are not questioning their faith.
oh please, Mr. Double Talk, stop with the 1984 Newspeak. you are not fooling anyone.
Again, still waiting for you to take on Left wing bullying, hatred, questioning the Christian faith of pretty much everyone on the Right. C'mon, prove that you aren't the radical Left wing lunatic you claim you are not. Don't worry, no one here is going to hold their breath while you hide.
What's despicable is to be uninformed on the subject.
Submitted by Mike Bratton on Tue, 02/21/2012 - 3:51pm.
Yet pretend, as you do, that you are.
Gave you solid evidence above--you might want to scroll up and read it. It's not "questioning his faith" to take him at his word, and understand that he uses Christianity as an electioneering prop.
The "church" he attended in Chicago was one that disseminated ethnocentric liberation theology, something that is antithetical to Christianity. Obama's own words, actions, lifestyle, and policies deny any Christian faith to which he might give lip service.
Try educating yourself on the matter before you make more vacuous statements, Goldwater.
--Mike
I didn't know I was a TEA
Submitted by killa37 on Tue, 02/21/2012 - 4:47pm.
I didn't know I was a TEA Party member - although as sanctemonious as you are, I guess you do. And I looked at my post, and others, and I didn't see 'every other word' as what you claimed. Plus, I guess to people like you, the libs, the Democrats, and the StateRun Media, the TEA Party might be a 'laughing stock'.................but that would be expected, and you're proving it with your own comments.
On top of that, I don't call myself a Republican - especailly given the results that the Republican elite has performed. The only thing worse for this country right now is the ball-less, gut-less, clue-less, worth-less Republican establishment is the liberal/progressive/Democrat establishment..................but the main difference between the two is that the Dems WILL fight dirty and play to win, and the Republicans won't.
Don't flap your gums to me about 'questioning someone's faith'..........because it's so 'despicable', meat. I can't think of ANYTHING more 'descpicable' than what Boy Barry Soetoro Barack Hussein Obama, his handlers, the Democrat followers, and the StateRun Media are doing to this country.
And you're complaining about 'questioning his faith'??? You're a moron, meat.......................
goldwater89
Submitted by east tennessee john on Tue, 02/21/2012 - 4:31pm.
Let's not question someone's faith, but let's try to determine exactly whar it is. By his own admission in his book, Obama felt an affinity, at least 20 years worth, to the church headed by Rev. Wright. What type of church is this? The most pre-emminent church that practices black liberation theology, as developed by Rev. James Cone, now of Union Theological Seminary. What are some of the principles or tenets of BLT? First is its Marxist orientation as reflected in its economic belief in "democratic socialism" as a replacement for a market economy. It believes in collective salvation whereas traditional Christianity believes it's an individual matter. Rev. Cone has argued that whites are the Antichrist and that racism is bred into whites. They justify class warfare. As a long time adherent, what or these basic tenets does Obama accept? Afterall tax funded PBS did a history of the Mormons back in 2008; the lamestream media, most who have no religious affiliation feel at will to comment on Christianity, why does Obama get a pass, why?
It's his right to point out a
Submitted by humanzee on Tue, 02/21/2012 - 9:44pm.
It's his right to point out a charlatan and hypocrite if he thinks he sees one.
Anyone can claim to have a certain faith while being hostile to it.
Sure...a person can hide but it doesn't mean the people nearby don't have the right to look for him and find out where he is.
I am continually amazed at
Submitted by ThePickle on Tue, 02/21/2012 - 1:13am.
I am continually amazed at the twists and turns of the Liberal mind.
Labyrinth like in complexity they manage to deeply hold diametrically opposed view points and yet manage to come off like petulant children in their attempts to be on both sides of an issue.
Take Christianity for instance. Daily we are treated to the mocking of, disgust with and dismissal as "fairy tales", of Christian beliefs. The average MSM talking head manages to sneer at those with deeply held Christian beliefs and their attempts to actually live by those beliefs. They have no respect for the Christian religion or for Christian beliefs. Or so it would seem.
However, none of this widely displayed contempt for Christian beliefs is evident when a Liberal speaker expounds on them to the betterment of the Liberal Agenda.
Let a Christian espouse biblical teaching to frame a piece of public policy then said Christian will be vilified for trying to "shove his religion down peoples throats". But let a Liberal cherry pick a certain bit of biblical teaching and twist it to fit their agenda, well that's not "shoving religion down peoples throats" thats just something that the mythical "everyone" knows.
And while the average liberal will walk a mile out of their way to metaphorically spit on religious beliefs and those that hold them, these little side trips never seem to occur when one of their own is twisting religious philosophy into a Gordian Knot. In fact when a 'real' Christian calls out the smarmy liberal hack of a politician on his BS, the resounding cry from the left is "How DARE you question my/their religious beliefs?!?"
This after doing an interview with an avowed Atheist wherein said atheist claimed that Christians that teach their Children that homosexuality is a sin (something that nearly all Christian sects believe to be true) are engaging in "child abuse" with the interviewer heartily agreeing with that sentiment, they then go on to be outraged that someone would dare question the Presidents (Christian) Religion. (Even though the person in question did no such thing)
In view of this I have to come to the conclusion that every ounce of outrage, every bit of flying spittle and aghast utterance, is as fabricated as their so called "respect" for the Presidents supposed religion.
Its a wonder that their empty head don't simply explode every time they have to come to the defense of a person claiming a belief in something they spend so much time mocking and vilifying.
Look what the liberal media has done to every single Republican
Submitted by OxyCon on Tue, 02/21/2012 - 2:55am.
Look what the liberal media has done to every single Republican candidate and compare it to how they have served as members of the Obama election campaign.
The Irrelevance of Obama's Rekigion
Submitted by berlet98 on Tue, 02/21/2012 - 3:44am.
The Irrelevance of Obama's Religion
According to Islamic law, if your father is a Muslim, so are you, and once a Muslim, always a Muslim.
That fact has become relevant in the campaign for the Republican nomination for the presidency ever since Sen. Rick Santorum called into question Barack Obama’s religion when Santorum alleged the president was motivated by “some phony theology, not a theology based on the Bible” and also referred to Obama’s “radical Islamic policies.”
First of all, let’s stipulate that religion has no place in American politics–with one important exception: If someone has misstated his religion and misled the electorate, the issue becomes not one of religion but of truth and honesty.
Barack Hussein Obama’s Muslim father, Barack Hussein Obama, Senior, conferred his Islamic middle name, derived from Hussein Ibn Ali, the son-in-law of the Prophet Muhammad, on Barack Hussein Obama, Junior. At least in the eyes of Islam, our president is a Muslim, although he has said that “Hussein” is an African name and that he is a Christian.
The case should be closed but isn’t for a variety of reasons.
The president has said that his Kenyan father denied abandoned his Islamic faith before he abandoned his family. He was raised–in part–by his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama, an atheist.
Much of his upbringing was provided by his maternal grandparents after his mother married another Muslim, Lolo Soetero, took her son with her to live his formative years in Muslim Indonesia where he attended a Wahabi school in Jakarta and ultimately turned young Barry over to her parents while she pursued her education and career.
All that abandonment had to have warped her child but none of the above proves Obama is a closet Muslim or a religious hypocrite who followed in his father’s footsteps by turning his back on Islam.
The president’s collegiate life is still cloaked in mystery although it is known that he had Muslim roommates and travelled to Indonesia during his years at Columbia University and subsequently visited his father’s Muslim family in Kenya. And, of course, he fondly wrote of dreams inherited from the Marxist father he resented for dumping his family but, again, none of that proves he is really a Muslim and not a Christian.
Antagonizing America’s only ally in the Mideast, . . . (Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=13822.)
there are clear statements
Submitted by spepper on Tue, 02/21/2012 - 8:51am.
There are clear statements in the Bible about directly warning against following people who say one thing ("....they call Me, Lord Lord.....") yet do the OPPOSITE of His teachings. Yes indeed, "to whom much is given, much will be required" (see Luke 12: v 36 to 48) DOES NOT refer to paying taxes to the government. Another example of a politician abusively taking the Bible completely out of context for personal political gain. The Lord was talking strictly in terms of religious or spiritual leadership and the responsibilities that go with it-- including parenting. In other words, a guideline as to how to treat other members of the faith who are either young, or newly accepted. THE ONLY STATEMENT EVER MADE BY THE LORD referring to tax payment was "give to Caesar the things that are Caesar's-- and give to God, God's." IN THAT ORDER. In other words, the earthly powers that determine how much of what you truly own is taken by transient governments, changes over time-- but what is owed to God, DOES NOT, and is determined by the heart, when it is truly listening to what the Spirit says.
How does one know if Obama is a Christian?
Submitted by iamsaved on Tue, 02/21/2012 - 10:04am.
Since we can't judge the heart, we can only judge the actions. Obama's actions don't line up with his words. And his words don't line up with scripture. When he quotes scripture, it's usually without context and altered so that it fits his idealogy. Most in the Lying Stream Media don't recognize it because they haven't a clue. They just know it sounds like it's from the Bible and therefore it must be Christian. It's no different than a person claiming to be a Republican but supports fiscal irresponsibility, big government, homosexual marriage and is pro-abortion. I believe most would agree that sounds more like a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him even if he had an R next to his name. By the same token, Christians can usually spot one of their own.
2 Cor 11: 13-14: "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."
I tend to agree with Rick Santorum regarding Obama and his theology. As to his idealogy, it tells me he's hell bent on changing this country into a Chavez Venesuela and wants its present form destroyed.
Santorum will be a cake walk for an Obama second term
Submitted by cbeyer on Tue, 02/21/2012 - 5:19pm.
SANTORUM CAN"T WIN! This is a candidate who has draped himself solely on social issues. While I may agree with him on most of his social positions, he is far less qualified to turn the economy around than Mitt Romney who has had tremendous success in the private sector. I am sick of career politicans such as Gingrich and Santorum claiming they understand how business makes the economy work. I blame much of Romney's problems on RUSH LIMBAUGH who slams him daily over and over MORE THAN HE DOES OBAMA. Fox news has also caterred to ANYONE but Romney with daily interviews of first Newt and then Santorum. I would place a large wager that Hannity has had Newt on his shows 5-1 more than Romney! We can go up in flames with the lighweight single issue (pro life) santorum candidacy.
...if Rmoney can't beat
Submitted by vrwc13 on Fri, 02/24/2012 - 12:58pm.
...if Rmoney can't beat Santorum by outspending him 5 to 1, just how is Rmoney going to beat obama who wil outspend Rmoney 5 to 1?
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Thank you cbeyer
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 02/24/2012 - 1:01pm.
For reminding us that Romney is to the Olympics as Obama is to GM & Chrysler.
Thank you Cool Arrow
Submitted by vrwc13 on Fri, 02/24/2012 - 1:12pm.
...excellent point.
btw: it'$ Rmoney
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Santorum's votes for "prosperity"
Submitted by lrgon on Tue, 02/21/2012 - 7:30pm.
Senator Santorum: "I mean, ... the radical environmental agenda that puts the earth over the needs of man, that doesn’t understand that the best way to create a sound environment is for people to be doing well and to have prosperity."
How many "yes" votes to fund the EPA and the Dept of Energy?
"Prosperity?" Did those "yes" votes to raise the national debt 5 TIMES while Santorum was in Congress hurt American's "prosperity?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgNJBdTaKE8
Yes I'm "prolife" but don't look at my record
Submitted by lrgon on Tue, 02/21/2012 - 8:29pm.
Former Pa senator Rick Santorum criticized Obama for "trampling on a constitutional right" by forcing Catholic institutions to pay for contraception through healthcare coverage. He said that Obama "is imposing his ideology on a group of people expressing their theology, their moral code."
I wish that Santorum didn't have a record of forcing Catholics to pay for other people's contraception through the instrument of taxation, but sadly he has. Plus the PA senator even boasted about it on the Fox show On the Record with Greta. Santorum told Greta Van Susteren on Fox News February 16: "The bottom line in my position is very clear. I've had a consistent record on this of supporting women's right to have contraception. I've supported funding for it."
"I actually have been criticized by — I think it was Governor Romney or maybe it was Congressman Paul's campaign for voting for contraception, that I voted for funding for — I think it was Title X — which I have voted for in the past. That provides for free contraception through organizations, even like Planned Parenthood." ---R. Santorum
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." --Bill of Rights
Congressis trumping big time, the first amendment by forcing Americans to fund a contraceptives giveaway program which flies in the face of the First Amendment's right to free exercise of religion.
Senator Santorum and the Obama administration are forcing everyone to fund contraception, regardless of their religious principles. Santorum told Greta that contraceptives have bad ramifications morally to America. I agree but his vote to fund a program to a well known abortion provider - Planned Parenthood- is a morally indefensible vote!
The question remains for social conservatives and those not so conservative to figure out what the heck this man is trying to create. If he is opposed to abortion and contraceptives as a form of birth control, then he should vote NO like doctor Ron Paul does not Yes like Nancy Pelosi does!
Commentary magazine noted: "if contraception is as damaging as Mr. Santorum argues, both outside and within the context of marriage, why does he continue to support federal funding for contraception? Why wouldn’t he feel an obligation to at least talk about something that he thinks is injurious to America?"
"By failing to point out the constitutional trip-wires on contraceptive funding under the First Amendment, Santorum may have opened up the door to government funding of the abortions he so loudly claims to oppose." ---Thomas Eddlem the newamerican.com
Why don't you just post the following,
Submitted by UpNorth on Tue, 02/21/2012 - 9:04pm.
Ronpaul says______________. And let us fill in the blank? Think of all that bandwidth you'd save.
Mercy and Justice - Divorced
Submitted by JRobertGiles on Wed, 02/22/2012 - 8:21am.
Obama vs. God....is it important to you who wins? Please read and share the following article. Thank you!
http://jrobertgiles.blogspot.com/2012/02/mercy-and-justice-divorced.html
J Robert Giles
He's right,..
Submitted by Mark81150 on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 2:43am.
1. Why do you oppose being forced to provide free contraceptives and abortions to women in violation of your Faith?.. What are you? some kinda nutjob?...
2. Why won't you stop talking about these divisive subjects, you look a little crazy to me?
3.Why do you oppose being forced to provide free contraceptives and abortions to women in violation of your Faith?.. What are you? some kinda nutjob?...
wash rinse,.. repeat...
The media are waging war not just on Santorum, and the Romney voters are kidding themselves, that it's just about Rick.. no, it isn't. It's an assault against any American who stands up to say,.. no, I will not fund infantacide. To oppose abortion, which the left loves so much, is the same as saying, you don't buy their scam, and we can't have that. If the entire weight of the entertainment and news media must assault you 24 and 7 just to beat you down..
they will do it... even if they have to go past you, and indoctrinate the children..
but that ain't working either, the newest numbers say that the younger voters are becoming increasingly, pro-life. That must gall the left no end.. they thought they could steal our kids.. but the kids see through them, even at this young age.
What's a 'bad' religion?
Submitted by DannyHaszard on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 12:53pm.
The definition of a destructive religious cult is like alcoholism-if booze controls you instead of the other way around you are an alcoholic.
The Watchtower society Jehovah's Witnesses as an example is not benevolent and won't let you leave their organization in peace.If they try to ruin your reputation and break up your family for trying to get out then they are a cult!
Whenever you surrender your logic and reason to anyone who asks you to trust them because they know better and to please donate generously, it's a cult. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck....
-Danny Haszard http://www.dannyhaszard.com