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Joe Scarborough Schools Donny Deutsch on Media Ignoring Obama's Negative Ads in 2008

By Noel Sheppard | February 01, 2012 | 14:37

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Morning Joe viewers Wednesday were treated to a truly marvelous demonstration of the media's hypocritical double standard concerning negative campaign ads.

As host Joe Scarborough told Donny Deutsch, despite Barack Obama in 2008 running more negative ads "than any other candidate in history...the mainstream media, every network, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, they all covered for him. Nobody wrote that story because they all wanted him to win" (video follows with transcribed highlights and commentary):

Early in the segment, Scarborough said, “This is going to be a tough, long campaign. But Donny Deutsch, the man in the driver's seat right there ran more negative ads, 30-second ads four years ago than any other candidate in history.”

He continued, “The only difference between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney is the mainstream media, every network, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, they all covered for him. Nobody wrote that story because they all wanted him to win. It was shameful the way they covered for him.”

Indeed it was. But then Scarborough said something about this race that might shock a lot of people.

“As cynical and as depressing as Mitt Romney’s campaign was this past week, if you're going against a guy that's going to run $1 billion worth of negative 30-second ads this fall, maybe just maybe Republicans that don't like Barack Obama, as you said, have had it wrong all the time, because they've all been saying Newt can get mean and ugly with Barack Obama.”

Scarborough continued, “No, Newt's just kind of all over the place. He's unfocused. Maybe you need a negative, nasty, cynical cyborg – as Rich Lowry said - campaign apparatus to go after the most negative campaigner in the history of American politics when you just measure it by 30-second ads, Barack Obama.”

Fascinating concept when you think about it.

There’s no question this is going to be the ugliest campaign we’ve ever seen with the battle waged on television sets from coast-to-coast.

As we saw in Iowa and now Florida, no matter how much people complain – including the media – about negative ads, they work. And the person that might be able to beat Obama better be willing to swim in this cesspool or he won’t be able to compete with, as Scarborough described, “the most negative campaigner in the history of American politics.”

But this segment wasn’t done, for the double standard concerning how the media have and will cover these negatives ads was further demonstrated when Deutsch responded, “I think we should stop using the term negative ads.”

Scarborough immediately saw the hypocrisy and asked, “Why, because I attached it to Barack Obama?”

He continued, “We've been using negative ads all week when attacking Mitt Romney, and when I brought up the simple fact that every objective outside reporter has stated that Barack Obama ran more negative 30-second ads than anybody in the history of American politics, suddenly it's, ‘Oh, let's not call them negative ads.’ Was that a coincidence?”

Deutsch replied, “Negative ads work because you can put facts in them. In positive ads, there's no takeaway. They’re both going to use them, that’s a fact. We've got to stop calling it ugly and call it competent. They're playing within the rules.”

“Oh, they’re competent now,” Scarborough shot back.

“I want my Commander- in-Chief whether it's either one of those guys to know how to win,” replied Deutsch.

So all week, the media have been criticizing Romney for his attack ads against Gingrich, but when Obama does it, it’s “competent” and knowing “how to win.”

Scarborough smartly jumped on this hypocrisy saying, “This is so beautiful. No, this is so beautiful. All week we're talking about Mitt Romney’s negative ads and nobody interrupts me one time. Now, we bring up the fact that Barack Obama ran more negative 30-second ads than anybody in the history of American politics, and suddenly it proves it’s competent. You can get facts into negative ads.”

This led Scarborough to laugh and Mark Halperin to add, “Let me get Bernie Goldberg on the phone to make sure he’s watching.”

“This is funny,” Scarborough responded. “Bernie could write a book about just this segment. It’s just like John Kerry’s 13.1 percent, 13.1 percent tax rate. It's amazing nobody talked about that throughout all of 2004 but now they're talking about it.”

For those that missed it, Scarborough was referring to Monday's program when New York magazine's John Heilemann admitted that despite his belief Romney's roughly 14 percent income tax rate is a serious campaign issue, he never reported Kerry's 13.1 percent rate in 2004.

The point here is that we can expect the press to come down strongly on negative ads this campaign season except of course when their candidate Barack Obama uses them.

Makes you proud of America's news media, doesn't it?

(H/T Mediaite)

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Focus on the economy, jobs, and the budget.

Submitted by Order270 on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 2:54pm.

Obama's only play is the race card and even that's only half a card.

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Occasionally

Submitted by bobsmom on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 2:55pm.

Joe gets a bean ball and blasts it out of the park. This has been happening more recently, and I'm trying not to get too excited. Still won't watch them though, leave it up to NB to watch the programs I just can't stomach. Thank you NB for taking these for the team.

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Good on Scarborough

Submitted by Galvanic on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 2:53pm.

He skewered Deutsch today like he skewered Heilemann earlier this week.

So, negative = competent. Let's remember that one.

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it won't help

Submitted by ladyscientist on Thu, 02/02/2012 - 11:55am.

We also have to remember that phrase only works for democrats...

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Joe

Submitted by mmilesll on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 2:57pm.

Finally Joe tells it like it is and who complains-Mika the dummy and Donny the idiot. About time Joe, that somebody doesn't back down.

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Whoa

Submitted by KornKing on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 3:18pm.

Calling Bubbles a dummy is an insult to dummies
Let's see Breast size, IQ. Breast size, IQ......

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I will finish Mika's

Submitted by WarEagle66 on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 4:27pm.

I will finish Mika's sentence.....

"What is amazing is that I offer absolutely NOTHING to the intellectual integrity of this show, but because of my daddy I have this really awesome gig & I get paid a ton of money."

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What else did you expect,

Submitted by John21 on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 2:58pm.

What else did you expect, they got him elected in 2008 with the propaganda cover.
They had to realize how incompetent he was, but wanted the good story. Now that he has screwed the country and it will take at least a decade or two just to get back to the pre-Obama deficit and economy. It will take most of our lifetime to get back to a Clinton economy.
Their egos and political agenda will not allow them to admit the conspiracy that they have hatched and actively supported.

Once the American media was trusted and had worldwide credibility, that is long gone. A recent trip to Europe any reference to American media was looked at with distain and distrust. Most of the EU believe that American media is like the supermarket tabloids filled with fairy tales and alien stories,

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Morning Joe

Submitted by HudsonRiverGirl on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 3:00pm.

I sure hope that Joe has a food taster because he is either going to poisoned or fired.

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That was absolutely hilarious..

Submitted by greggy on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 3:10pm.

Donny Deutsch was totally exposed - what a facile, disingenuous tool. Mika, without anything to counter with at all, just making dumb faces. The whole panel, sitting there unable to make even the weakest counter-argument to defend the Dear Leader and his media puppets.

This will be the subject of much consternation in Phil Griffin's office today.

Greggy (Diogenes)
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Gotta admit

Submitted by KornKing on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 3:46pm.

I ain't wasting my time watching full garbage like this full scale, have to rely on snapshots, mostly from NB.
That said, I understand the concept of hilarity with this crew, like when Bubbles tries to look ooh soo serious, enough to make coffee come out the nose.

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Mika, just making dumb faces.

Submitted by Marsh on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 5:20pm.

You can leave out the word dumb. It goes without saying.

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I'm not buying the MSM's feigned "disgust" with RINOMney's ads

Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 3:08pm.

I'll bet most of them were happy as Hell he went after Newt the way he did.

There is a reason the communist collective wants Mitt to be the republican nominee.

-Dave

Vote for the American in November

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Mika the Moron

Submitted by Firmworm on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 3:12pm.

Mika's analogy...'it's like popping popcorn with the top off'...WTF?

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I'm guessing

Submitted by KornKing on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 5:36pm.

It's probably something she can identify with

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Firmworm

Submitted by amyshulk on Thu, 02/02/2012 - 8:20am.

If you watch the block from the beginning, Mika is reacting and preparing when Joe starts talking, and at one point, looks straight at the camera and shakes her head - it looked to me like she was responding to a "Chain Joe down quick Mika, or will WE have to cut in somehow???" in her ear and she was signaling she'd take care of it.

So her comment follows on the heels of interrupting and berating Joe, while wagging her finger at the table, when he refuses to be chained down.

I find Joe to be a blowhard, but when he hits the nail on the head, I find myself nodding in agreement - all the while laughing at Mika and her lame attempts to "frame" the narrative.

IIRC, she bemoaned the loss of her "power" in framing the narrative, just last year, and her popcorn comment is her acknowledgement that she is powerless.

The government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
Ronald Reagan
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idiot

Submitted by angelann1 on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 3:12pm.

donny deutsch is an absolute idiot!! Why anyone would care what he "thinks" is beyond me !! Joe exposed those idiots for what they are !

BDK
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Mika shakes her head but

Submitted by NCfairandbalanced on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 3:46pm.

Mika shakes her head but really does not say anything. Why? Because she knows Joe is right, but can't bring herself to admitting it. That segment truly was comical...and oh yeah...revealing!

"Let's not call it negative anymore". This is because you nailed me, and I can't defend my hero Obama anymore! That's what Donny was really thinking but of course not saying.

Joe nailed it.

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DEMOCRATS ARE ADVERSARIES - THE MSM IS THE TRUE ENEMY

Submitted by Sgthulka on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 3:47pm.

They are coat-holders for the Democrat Party. Shading every question, shaping every nuance, they try to tilt the putting green to favor Democrat candidates and their platforms.

I detest them with every fiber in my body.

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Scarborough sounds like a conservative...

Submitted by Conservator on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 4:06pm.

...and I was glad to see Joe today and recently has begun to wear his small-government Republican hat more often. Based on MSNBC's coverage last night, I'm sure that Maddow and Rev. Sharpton would most likely consider Scarborough's comment on Obama's negative ads in 2008 as another racial slur.

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Scarborough

Submitted by 76United on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 4:17pm.

I don't know why this site gives Scarborough such a hard time. He totally pulls apart every liberal meme that is brought up on his show and calls them out right to their faces. He's great. Just because he's not super-conservative, he's peed on by this site and other right-wingers. The GOP needs more moderates like this. Remember, the GOP is not a conservative party, it's just the only party where conservatism is accepted, along with libertarianism and right leaning moderates. Conservatives do not own this party, they are just part of it.

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Scarborough is either ---

Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 7:20pm.

wishy-washy, two-faced, or bereft of the ability to maintain consistency.

He deserves to be pissed on.

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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Joe can play the role of

Submitted by poseA on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 5:12pm.

Joe can play the role of conservative quite well when surrounded by liberals.

However, so could my three year old son.

-- As kind as possible and as unkind as necessary.
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to 76 united

Submitted by richard on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 5:25pm.

Remember, the GOP is not a conservative party, it's just the only party where conservatism is accepted, along with libertarianism and right leaning moderates. Conservatives do not own this party, they are just part of it.

You be right about that.

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Covered for Obama

Submitted by rwnewsnut on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 5:49pm.

Recently New York magazine political reporter John Heilemann said
: "No person with eyes in his head in 2008 could have failed to see the way that soft coverage helped to propel Obama first to the Democratic nomination and then into the White House. "

Then Donny Deutsch today says:
“The only difference,” he added, “between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney is the mainstream media — every network, The New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post — they all covered for him. Nobody wrote that story because they all wanted him to win. It was shameful the way they covered for him.”

We know - we've been telling anyone who would listen that the MSM are in the tank for Obama.

The media got Barack Obama elected. They are now working to get him re-elected.

The vote this November is as much vote against the liberal media as it is against President Obama.

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And because

Submitted by helomech on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 6:10pm.

it's going to be a hate filled, negative campaign, I'm not sure Mitt has the balls to pull it off. I agree that Newt is all over the place at the moment but I think he's still the only one who can go punch for punch against the Annointed One and the Lib stream media. And yes, this is just as much a fight against the media for their severely skewed views as it is against the ideology of the left.

While not a fan of MoJoe, it's good to see him shred his dimwitted counterparts with facts and common sense and to see the reaction of those around sitting slack jawed because they know he's right.

"The bended knee is not a tradition of our Corps..." General Alexander A. Vandergrift, USMC to the Senate Naval Affairs Committee, 5 May 1946
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please everyone don't get too excited about joe

Submitted by right of way on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 6:16pm.

yeah joe showed a sliver of his republican side, nice but rare. but just wait a few days when he again shows his democrat side and disappoints again. i've seen too many times when joe says something dumb by taking the dem side. but, i will enjoy the moment and hope for more because he is absolutly right.

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Do you suppose?

Submitted by KornKing on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 6:51pm.

Joe maybe has got to thinking-I realize this is MoreSmarterNBC and the expectation is that I'm paid to be a doofis, but at a certain point, when things get so that even an idiot that watches this network can start seeing through some of this crap......

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It's Junior High School!!

Submitted by Hozeking on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 6:45pm.

Her pouty looks and rolling of the eyes are getting old. Let's put a cheerleader skirt on her and be done with it.

They bring a knife, you bring a gun....that's the Chicago way.
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My day has now been complete......

Submitted by djwolf12 on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 7:18pm.

watching a phony conservative douche that thinks he is schooling a far left douche on negative ads when the premise of the ENTIRE Morning Shmoe program is one giant smear machine against conservatives.

"Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets". - Robert DeNiro, Taxi Driver (1976).
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Good to see Joe sticking up for conservatives for once

Submitted by gmaniac1 on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 11:02pm.

and not acting a scared little conservative like that idiot on here that got in the middle of my argument with some idiot liberal... hmmm, what was his handle again? Both ran with their tails between their legs like DD as they should.

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As I post this comment I am

Submitted by Captain Repus on Thu, 02/02/2012 - 2:17am.

As I post this comment I am sure Joe Scabborough is sitting alone in a MSDNC Re-education and Enlightenment training session to prepare him for tomorrows airing. Fear not, he will return to his normal ideology tomorrow morning unless he suffers another relapse in the interim.

A mind is a terrible thing.

Did you know Doug has Mesothelioma? We'll deal with the government. You have enough to worry about.
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Noel Sheppard

Submitted by amyshulk on Thu, 02/02/2012 - 7:24am.

"Joe Scarborough Schools Donny Deutsch" AGAIN! That idiot is proof positive that nepotism is at work here, because he provides NO insight whenever he's on MJ and is so hateful, I literally skip the block when he is on, but thanks to you, I know to wade through it just to see the look on his face!

The government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
Ronald Reagan
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How dangerous is that?

Submitted by Gman0208 on Thu, 02/02/2012 - 12:55pm.

Is Scarborough trying to get fired? Cool that he's actually letting the 12 MSNBC viewers know that BHO and the rest of the Libtards are frauds, but I'm afraid he won't be around long enough to do any good if he's that blunt. Oh well, who's the blonde libtard who accused him of being "naughty"? I don't watch this garbage except here.

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Donnie Douche, What Was His Calim To Fame? Idiocy?

Submitted by Motormouth KOS on Thu, 02/02/2012 - 4:16pm.

Can anyone tell me...

Why does this pinhead get to come on TV and offer opinions on anything other than peanut butter sandwiches?

His bio states he is a "TV personality..."

What is that?  Does that mean he was on Survivor?  On Lost?  Dancing With the Stars? American Bandstand?  He's a mimbo.  An empty-headed mope with bad hair plugs.

You know, come to think of it.  He would be the perfect life-partner for Meekughhh.  Two imbeciles joined at the hip.

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