Krauthammer Scolds Shields and Totenberg: 'What Planet Are You Guys Living On...I’ve Rarely Encountered Such Thickness'
Charles Krauthammer justifiably lost his patience with his fellow panelists on PBS's Inside Washington Friday evening.
No matter how many times he explained that Republicans last week proposed a revenue increase that Democrats refused, PBS's Mark Shields and NPR's Nina Totenberg couldn't seem to grasp this simple concept leading Krauthammer to ask, "What planet are you guys living on...I’ve rarely encountered such thickness" (video follows with transcript and commentary):
NINA TOTENBERG, NPR: Anybody who has seen Washington for 40, 50, 60 years, and now it’s, as you pointed out, awash in money, who really believes that those loopholes are going to be gone, they’re crazy.
GORDON PETERSON, HOST: Wait a minute, though. You know, we talked about Newt Gingrich, but when he was Speaker of the House, he and Bill Clinton managed to cooperate on some things.
CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: I mean, what planet are you guys living on? This week, forget about the ’90s, Pat Toomey, a Club of Rome Republican, proposed an increase in tax revenues. I’m trying to explain to you that if you’re a Republican and you’re a conservative, a Club of Rome conservative, you can propose raising revenues as long as the rates, the marginal rates stay the same or go down. The way that you square that is by eliminating loopholes, which is what he proposed. This isn’t history, it isn’t hypothetical, it’s real, and the Democrats have said, “No.”
MARK SHIELDS, PBS: Grover Norquist put down Pat Toomey. Club for Growth, not Club of Rome. Club for Growth is what Pat Toomey founded.
KRAUTHAMMER: Yes, I retract that and I want to amend and I what to extend my remarks. Growth and Rome. Rome was actually the people who spoke about scarcity.
SHIELDS: That’s right.
PETERSON: I was just wondering if we moved the Capital.
SHIELDS: Grover Norquist, Grover Norquist acknowledged that this was a ploy on the part of Republicans. Let me just, there’s two facts that ought to be brought to mind. Two facts ought to be brought to mind. We are now paying 15 percent of our Gross Domestic Product in taxes. That is the lowest percentage in 60 years. 60 years ago, there was no Medicare. 60 years ago there was no Medicaid. 60 years ago there were no cost of living increases under Social Security. 60 years ago we did not have a $700 billion defense budget.
Yes, but what the budget-challenged Shields historically ignored is that in 1952, defense spending represented 68 percent of total outlays and 13 percent of GDP. In fiscal 2012, the estimates are that such spending will be only 18 percent of the total bugdget and just 4 percent of GDP.
By contrast, spending on Human Resources which includes Social Security and Medicaid was only 17 percent of the budget in 1952 and a mere 3 percent of GDP. This has now exploded to 65 percent of total projected outlays in 2012 and 15 percent of the budget.
As such, what we spend on national defense - something clearly addressed in the Constitution - has plummeted in the past 60 years as a function of the total budget while HR costs - with highly debatable Constitutionality - have absolutely exploded. It is this fact that liberals such as Shields like to completely ignore as they call for defense spending cuts and higher taxes:
SHIELDS: So, the reality is that anybody, no rational person believes that we can do anything about this debt without tax increases…
KRAUTHAMMER: But I have just said to you…
SHIELDS: …revenue increases of a substantial nature.
KRAUTHAMMER: But Toomey has proposed an increase in tax revenues.
TOTENBERG: There is no commission that has been set about this, and had any sort of a big plan, they all have plans that sort of eliminate loopholes, but they all have revenue increases as well…
SHIELDS: Tax increases.
TOTENBERG: Tax increases as well.
KRAUTHAMMER: You’re missing the point. Yes, you’re right, you have to have that, and the Republicans have proposed it on that committee.
TOTENBERG: No they have not.
SHIELDS: No.
KRAUTHAMMER: Toomey hasn’t proposed an increase in…
SHIELDS: They oppose Simpson-Bowles. They oppose…
TOTENBERG: The Gang of Six.
KRAUTHAMMER: Pat Toomey has not proposed, and Portman? Portman and Toomey have proposed it and increase in tax revenues.
Even Politico's Evan Thomas seemed baffled by the stupidity on display:
EVAN THOMAS: Yeah, I don’t know what you guys…
TOTENBERG: The revenues are not tax increases.
SHIELDS: Who sabotaged…
THOMAS: It’s revenues. What matters is revenues.
TOTENBERG: You’re not listening.
THOMAS: The only thing we care about is the amount of money coming in.
TOTENBERG: If you strip away all the loopholes, which is what Simpson-Bowles did, you still needed to have some tax increases.
SHIELDS: That’s exactly right.
TOTENBERG: And you can’t do it just by getting rid of loopholes.
KRAUTHAMMER: I’ve rarely encountered such thickness. I’ve just told you eight times that these two Republicans have proposed it, and you're telling me you gotta have extra revenues. Yes, and they were proposed.
THOMAS: Yeah.
KRAUTHAMMER: As long as you do it through tax reform.
THOMAS: Charles is right on this.
Of course he was, but the reality is the media all last week either ignored or downplayed Toomey's proposal so that they could continue with the dishonest meme that Republicans refuse to negotiate on anything to reduce the budget deficit except for spending cuts.
This allows the President and his Party to dishonestly blame the GOP for the inability to reach a budget agreement by the agreed upon deadline and lets Barack Obama use this during the campaign next year to bash a so-called "Do Nothing Congress."
Even more deplorable, what we saw on Friday evening was two Obama supporters aiding and abetting the charade by arguing on national television that no revenue increases were proposed by Republicans when they most certainly were.
But I must disagree with Krauthammer on one point: I often see "such thickness."
It sadly occurs almost any time a liberal media member opens his or her mouth.
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Thick is the right word. . .
Submitted by rickbren on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 2:21pm.
. . . for unrepentant Libs. They just don't understand that you can increase revenues WITHOUT increasing taxes. They just don't WANT to understand that revenues INCREASE with tax CUTS. Just ask Kennedy, Reagan, and "W"!!
WRONG!
Submitted by Clevenative on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 3:02pm.
There isn't a period in history that show your bogus claims to be true - including Kennedy and Reagan. You can keep repeating that lie as often as you like - but it still doesn't make it the truth - no matter how many people believe it.
Here is just one of many detailed analysis of your claims - complete with figures and sources...
Myth: Tax cuts increase tax collections.
In this "story" I notice that Fox News' Republican puppet Charles Krauthammer makes no mention of the fact that the proposal would make permanent the Bush tax cuts, therefore more than off-setting the tax increases and significantly increasing deficits.
Wowee, working right thru the weekend, Cleveliar?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 3:27pm.
If only your OWS pals would imitate your work ethic.
Huppi? Really, you're on your last leg, aren't you?
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 3:33pm.
You use a site with an unattributed article as justification for your rant? A site that says, among other things, that: Myth: No one has a right to my property.
Fact: Our property rights are defined by democratic government, which is the sovereign owner of the nation's territory.
Then again, you are nothing but a big-government liberal, right? I'm sure you're fine with government owning everything, because they "know" best, right?
And, btw, they aren't the "Bush tax cuts" anymore, they're the Obama tax cuts. He signed em, he owns em. Or, doesn't it work that way, Sleepy?
Wrong Link
Submitted by Dave81 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 11:01pm.
I think he just copied the wrong link. Here's the link he meant to include:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
Nice...
Submitted by C-townGiant on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 3:37pm.
That's some website you used for a source. "The Liberal Encyclopedia." Wow. Maybe you can throw The Nation and Slate in the mix, too (so you can say you used multiple sources).
Garbage in, garbage out. Begone, brainless troll.
C-Town, it'll be MediaMatters next, for Sleepy.
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 3:40pm.
.
Hope Clevie is not an attorney...
Submitted by drsamherman on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 3:43pm.
...with the type of evidence he cites, his clients would all be convicted or lose their lawsuits with record jury payouts....
If he is a barrister, Doc,
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 3:48pm.
he sounds like the one who used to represent the IVAW slackers. He ended up moving on from that, mostly because all of his clients ended up in the stockade, and new clients avoided him like the plague on Wall Street.
Get off this site, you lying commie puke of an ignoranus
Submitted by Dave. on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 3:55pm.
You are nothing more than a government-educated moron.
You aren't even intelligent enough to make it as a useful idiot.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
two new terms we need to
Submitted by ricklail on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 5:17pm.
two new terms we need to start using. Commucrat or democommie.
rick,
Submitted by Dave. on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 11:55pm.
LOL - In this case, I'll just settle for plain old dumbass.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Well THAT sounded intelligent
Submitted by Clevenative on Sun, 11/20/2011 - 1:24am.
Didn't it? ROFLMAO!
Laugh it up while you can, Clevenaive,as---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 11/20/2011 - 1:39am.
the ban clock is ticking down on your obnoxious ass.
MD
Perspective please.
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 11/20/2011 - 10:50am.
Exactly how intelligent did it sound?
Did it sound as intelligent as someone that litters his every post with childish Lollies and Rofflemows?
Did it sound as intelligent as someone that litters his every post with exclamation points after every single sentence so they sound like the most exciting sentence evah!!!@!@!~!!! Eleventy!!!
Did it sound as intelligent as swapping out the word Fox with a french word where the X is silent? Foe News. Yeah, that sounds intelligent too.
So give us some perspective there troll.
Troll Alert - Clevenative - insulting bigoted rant troll.
Leave Clevenative alone!
Submitted by Rusty Shackleford on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 4:24pm.
Leave Clevenative alone! I've heard this very same information verified by noted economists like Joy Behar and Paris Hilton. Clevenative is very wise to share the these same views.
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Chris Matthews: The Joy Behar of MSNBC.
Bill Maher: The Joy Behar of HBO.
Paul Krugman: The Joy Behar of The New York Times.
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Submitted by wizardjr on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 4:25pm.
Another troll drops a load on our table and expects us to believe his made up 'facts'. Hey troll! how about going to the government's web sites and getting government (treasury) income numbers? It works better than mythcasting from the usual suspects.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan
Shields Draws the Laffer Curve With a Straight Edge.
Submitted by Avitar on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 4:15am.
Charles Krauthammer has physical limitations that keep him from getting out and talking to the typical Obama voter otherwise he would know that Shields is typical of the moron class.
You can prove to them that if a Government collects no revenues (taxes 0%) the Government will have no money.
You can prove to them that if a tax collection army comes through and steals everything (taxes 100%) people will die and there will be no money the next year.
They cannot stretch their minds around the concept that there is a point between the two that is the peak that money the Government can take before the economy begins to decline.
Concepts like the Pareto Principle and the Laffer Curve turns Moron Class brains into mush.
Clevenative is typical of those innocence of history who doesn’t know that the deep cuts in 1920 Federal Spending and Taxes gave us the Roaring Twenties and that Hoover and FDR doing the opposite in 1930 and the following years Gave us the Great Depression. He doesn't even know that John Kennedy gave the country its post-Depression peak at 97% per capita of the pre-Great Depression income. That is really sad because John Kennedy was the best of his family and understood more than his brothers or father. After he died the Democrat Party drifted Left to the point that Ronald Reagan and others who made up the Party's backbone had to leave it to save the country.
The Libs Have Always Been With Us,.They Create the Poor
Submitted by Avitar on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 5:01am.
Libs created the dark ages when they tax the people who made any money to "help the less advantaged" instead of letting them keep it and spend their pitiful capital on making more money. Plato argued for a privileged educated elite to guide society and the distribution of Resources. His ideas are well thought of for the next 2.500 years by the elites.
Meanwhile the greatest inventions of the 1500 years following Plato were by a dirt farmer who invented the horse collar and doubled Europe's food production and a simple metal smith, Gutenberg, who with his printing press dropped the cost of books from man-years of pay to a few days of average pay and created the modern era.
The Horse Collar is just shaped wood and worked leather that people had worked for over five thousand years at the point when the Collar was finally invented. Nearly the same is true of the Printing Press. The pharos’s metal smiths could have produced a printing press but their work was controlled by a regulating authority so they didn't. Whether a guild master, a temple priest or an EPA Civil Servant the "regulator" is always the enemy of progress. The "Future"
getting heare slow or fast depends on kicking Al Gore and his friends. The more people who kick him the quicker the future gets better.
Tax increases,
Submitted by bkeyser on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 3:35pm.
tax increases, tax increases. How about spending cuts you frickin morons? Taxes are never spent reducing the debt, they're only spent increasing the size of government. These aren't tax and spend democrats we're dealing with any longer, they're spend and tax progressives.
Let this intelligent (and very pretty) Italian woman explain...
bk
Submitted by 26CX on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 3:41pm.
I'm with you on spending cuts instead of tax increases. The double whammy of increasing taxes during a recession is that when the economy picks up, the government will have that much more money to use to grow bigger.
The reason the politicians won't cut spending is because it will hurt them with the voters who are depending them for entitlements and they won't get re-elected. It's always all about being re-elected.
And that hits the nail on the
Submitted by Slyrr on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 3:46pm.
And that hits the nail on the head. These libutards - these 'educated ones', the so-called best and brightest, are morons. They are monkeys with their fingers covering their eyes, ears and mouths. Tell them the truth, and they just don't hear it. They don't care. They don't listen. All they want and care about is total Obama victory in the form of the Republican party disbanding and surrendering aboslute authority to the Obama regime. Nothing else registers.
They are truly blind men, led by the blind.
Orwell said it best...
Submitted by wizardjr on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 4:27pm.
“There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.” - George Orwell
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"You must be an intellectual. Only an intellectual could say something so stupid." - George Orwell
CROOKS AND LIARS
Submitted by Clevenative on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 5:01pm.
Jan 20, 2011 – "Our new majority has pledged to listen and focus on the will of the people." ~ Speaker John Boehner
10/25/2011
68% of Americans are in favor of a surtax on millionaires (0.5% tax on income after one million dollars earned)
10/27/2011
Millionaires for class warfare
This Wall Street Journal story on a new poll finding that 68 percent of millionaires support higher taxes on millionaires is getting a lot of attention today.
(and yes that 68% is 2 seperate polls)
August 10, 2011
Gallup asked Americans what they’d like to see Congress do next on debt reduction. The top response in the newly-released poll: “Increasing income taxes for upper-income Americans.” A large 66% majority endorsed this move, including 45% of self-identified Republicans. No, that’s not a typo.
A new CNN poll asked the same question. Guess what was the most popular debt-reduction idea? “Increases in taxes on businesses and higher-income Americans,” which was backed by a 63% majority.
A McClatchy/Marist poll (pdf) released yesterday found that 68% of Americans support raising taxes on income over $250,000. In this survey, a majority of self-identified Republicans supported the idea.
Bruce Bartlett, a veteran of the Reagan and Bush administrations, has an updated list of 23 polls — all from the last nine months — which all show the same thing: consistent support from the American mainstream for higher taxes. The list isn’t selected — Bruce highlights (and links to) every poll he could find on this, and in each case, the margin was about 2-to-1 in support of tax increases for the wealthy.
And that's been the "will of the people" since Jan 20, 2011.
Well you just keep on quoting
Submitted by ThePickle on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 5:05pm.
Well you just keep on quoting polls.....and we will keep whopping your behind in the only polls that really mean anything....Elections. :)
You quote a Keynesian economist?
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 5:08pm.
Seriously? In every thread you post, you fail to live up to the blind squirrel or broken clock analogy. You can't find a single nut of truth, and you aren't right even twice in 24 hours.
Begone, troll.
And a Rasmussen poll says
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 5:29pm.
60% of "likely voters" say " thoughtful spending cuts should be considered in every program of the federal government as the nation searches for solutions to the federal budget crises".
And, that "50% Favor Mix of Cuts, Taxes To Reduce Deficit, But 64% Oppose Paying Higher Taxes". So, what's your point, Sleepy, or is it Dopey today? Polls say anything the pollster wants them to say.
And, looking at your post at 4:01 today, I'd hazard the guess that you're a plagiarist. Why, yes you are. Your post was lifted from the Washington Monthly, word for word, with no attribution, plagiarist. You're nothing but a copy and paste progressive, with no original thoughts whatsoever. Nice job, Sleepy plagiarist. See the following from the Washington Monthly article, "A new CNN poll asked the same question. Guess what was the most popular debt-reduction idea? “Increases in taxes on businesses and higher-income Americans,” which was backed by a 63% majority.".
Now, see the plagiarist's post, which he didn't attribute, "A new CNN poll asked the same question. Guess what was the most popular debt-reduction idea? “Increases in taxes on businesses and higher-income Americans,” which was backed by a 63% majority.".
Nice Try
Submitted by Clevenative on Sun, 11/20/2011 - 3:43am.
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 4:29pm. 60% of "likely voters" say " thoughtful spending cuts should be considered in every program of the federal government as the nation searches for solutions to the federal budget crises".
I never claimed voters don’t want to see spending cuts – did I? Duhhh
And, that "50% Favor Mix of Cuts, Taxes To Reduce Deficit, But 64% Oppose Paying Higher Taxes".
So, what's your point, Sleepy, or is it Dopey today? Polls say anything the pollster wants them to say.
Boy you said it, thanks for the perfect example - I take it you've been called out for a Rasmussen Poll before? Don’t even get me started on Rasmussen polls. You should be ashamed of yourself for even bringing one up. So what's YOUR point. Or are you too ignorant to realize you're being duped by that Fox News headline? Do I need to explain?
Why don't people include FoxNews/ when they talk about a "Rasmussen Poll" I wonder? Rasmussin are masters at deception, that’s why they are in concert with Faux News – birds of a feather – the perfect “team”. And it’s a well publicized fact that the questions in their polls are twisted in such a way that will favor the Republican narrative. It’s no accident that most all of their polls show anywhere from 5-20 point differences from other “similar questions’ by other pollsters.
First off, your “Poll” link didn’t work - but I found the Rasmussin poll you are talking about via Google. Here’s what it actually says…
50% Favor Mix of Cuts, Taxes To Reduce Deficit, But 64% Oppose Paying Higher Taxes
(This headline alone is so friggin’ “Fox News” deceptive it just makes me sick)
Friday, September 23, 2011
Fifty percent (50%) of Americans think President Obama and Congress should consider a mix of spending cuts and tax increases in looking for ways to cut the federal deficit, but nearly two-out-of-three adults (64%) are unwilling to pay higher taxes themselves to reduce that deficit.
Of course, that is just their “teaser synopsis” story. To see the actual wording of the questions asked you have to subscribe. I wouldn’t pay to read their deceptive bullshit if I had millions in my pocket. But I can guarantee what this poll is saying. I WILL BET that they CAREFULLY selected their words in the synopsis that shows with the “story” in order to deceive the reader. By saying…
“nearly two-out-of-three adults (64%) are unwilling to pay higher taxes THEMSELVES to reduce that deficit”
…the key word that makes it “technically not a lie” is THEMSELVES. It means just that – 64% do not think that JUST paying higher taxes is the way to go. BUT the headline doesn't say "64% Oppose paying Higher Tax as The Only Way to help solve the deficit" does it? It just says "64% Oppose paying Higher Taxes". As usual, NO SHAME in their deception.
But of course most readers aren’t bright enough to realize that, or are unaware that Rasmussen intentionally pulls crap like this in their “synopsis” ALL the time.
The reason they do this of course is to influence the “jump on the bandwagon” SHEEP who follow Fox News and of course want to think like the ”majority”, and so follow their polls to learn what they need to think to be thinking like “most Americans”. (Remember my rules about Republicans being good at ONLY one thing – psychological manipulation?) Then by making their poll synopsis SOUND one way but really mean something entirely different they are bringing the audience into the Republican narrative. Deceptive bastards.
I’d give you the benefit of the doubt and ASSume that you too are not trying to intentionally deceive readers – but I’ll vote Republican in 2012 if I am wrong about that being the question they used (as paraphrased). I’ve gone through enough of these deceptive Rasmussen Polls to be confident enough to say that.
And, looking at your post at 4:01 today, I'd hazard the guess that you're a plagiarist. Why, yes you are. Your post was lifted from the Washington Monthly, word for word, with no attribution, plagiarist. You're nothing but a copy and paste progressive, with no original thoughts whatsoever. Nice job, Sleepy plagiarist. See the following from the Washington Monthly article, "A new CNN poll asked the same question. Guess what was the most popular debt-reduction idea? “Increases in taxes on businesses and higher-income Americans,” which was backed by a 63% majority.". Now, see the plagiarist's post, which he didn't attribute, "A new CNN poll asked the same question. Guess what was the most popular debt-reduction idea? “Increases in taxes on businesses and higher-income Americans,” which was backed by a 63% majority.".
Bite me you nitpicking fool. I spend enough time writing my posts without worrying about not crediting a source for some data. Besides what you are charging me with is not plagiarism. Those few sentences specifically state where the source of the data came from. Statistical data cannot be plagiarized. Whether I copied it from CNN or WSJ or MSNBC - so long as the original source of the data is indicated there is no plagurism.
In the few weeks I’ve been posting here I’ve written more off the top of my head than half the one-liner freaks in this entire website have in their entire history. I don't care to hear you false accusations about my originality. If I neglected to include a source it was an oversight as I generally go out of my way to include a link to anything that I did not write that I include to back up what I have to say in my posts. It sure beats rattling off false claims without including a source. If NB had a “Quote” option in their editor it would be a lot easier to distinguish material that is quoted from an outside source. My way around that has been to generally put that quoted text in italics or boldface. I’ve been posting online since Al Gore first invented the internet (I know you’d like that one) and was a professional programmer and software developer for over a decade. I know all about the copyright laws and don’t need some mall cop smart ass playing the “plagiarist” game with me.
I'll tell ya,
Submitted by killa37 on Sun, 11/20/2011 - 4:04am.
I'll tell ya, meat..........you've REALLY got a hate hard-on for Republicans!!! That Republican guy that dumped your sorry ass must have REALLY hurt you bad!!! You're whole world is 50%.................like I said, I'm calling you a 'half-man'..............since you gave up your LEFT nut.
And what makes you think that, since you've posted a lot of things 'off the top of your head', that it gives it any credence or credibility??? Your own thoughts are as delusional and deranged as your copied statements.
So, when you were a 'professional programmer and a software developer' for those Fortune 500 companies - you were in the union??? That was part of your 30 year career - where now you have your beautiful house and property and savings and pension and Cadillac health insurance??? And somebody else is paying for this??? And you can do all this without a credit card or dealing with banks and paying cash for everything??? Boy, you ARE the American dream - which must rankle your sorry ass to hear, since you're such an ant-American.
Hey, I know people in my own business (sorry, but I'm just a dumb-ass blue-collar construction worker - nothing high-end and special like a software programmer) who have been doing things for years (as you have been posting on the internet since one of your heroes, ALGORE, 'invented' it) ........WRONG!!! Just because you have been doing something over a period of time doesn't mean you are any good at it..............and apparantly, you're in that category.
So, meat..........you've got a house, right?? And a car?? And heating, TV, phones, internet, furniture, beds, dishwasher, washing machine, dryer, clotes, hot water, flushing toilet, money in the bank, pension, Cadillac health care, time on your hands, and no apparant life other than hanging around the interent??? And you probably have food,and something to drink, and maybe take trips or vacations - and possibly even get on a plane??? It sounds to me like you've done allright here in this EVIL capitalistic country, especially with all of the roadblocks that the REPUBLICANS have put in your way, huh??? In fact, it seems to me that you have MORE than I do................so..............I want it!!! I want your 'stash', meat!!! It's not FAIR that you have something that I don't have!!! GIVE IT TO ME!!! YOU'RE THE 1%!!! YOU'RE THE 'RICH"!!!! YOU ARE RIPPING ME OFF!!!! YOU'RE GETTING PAID TO DO NOTHING...............AND I'M WORKING MY ASS OFF FOR BASICALLY NOTHING!!!
You're the biggest asshole, and the most blatent phony, that I have ever run into in my life - and that's saying something, because I've met a few.
Clevenaive
Submitted by Denny Crane on Sun, 11/20/2011 - 6:10am.
This could also have been said, 66% of those regularly polled agree that TAXING OTHER PEOPLE is OK to solve the debt problem.
The problem is that raising taxes on the wealthy wouldn't even come anywhere close to solving the problem of a federal budget that spends 25% of GDP.
The only thing raising taxes does is give politicians an excuse to spend more and make govmint even bigger.
Another poll to keep in mind is that the American public know that government wastes at least 50 cents out of every dollar they spend.
We Are The 53%
Poor little fruit Clementine.
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 11/20/2011 - 11:01am.
Plagiarists don't like being called plagiarists. Maybe plagiarist out not steal from others and get called out for it. Plagiarist says to bite plagiarist. Thinks people that present their own thoughts will be impressed.
"Bite me, you nitpicking fool"?
Submitted by UpNorth on Sun, 11/20/2011 - 12:48pm.
BwaHaHaHa. Gotcha, Cleveie. Or do you prefer Sleepy, or Dopey?
And, it wasn't "those few sentences" you stole the whole article and still claim it as your thoughts. As if you had thoughts.
And, the article didn't come from CNN, the WSJ or what you listed.
"Professional programmer"? "Software developer"? Bull. You don't even know the difference between an emotion and an emoticon.
"As I generally go out of my way to include a link to anything that I did not write that I include". Stop. Sides. Hurt. Rolling. On. Floor. Laughing. You've been called out by everyone but the janitor here, because you never link to anything, until it's dragged out of that fetid swamp you call a mind. And, you're still wrong if you do link. Tea Party and anti-Christ ring any bells, plagiarist.
And just for you, plagiarist, here is a definition of plagiarism, "the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work, as by not crediting the author" from dictionary dot com.
Ahh, Clevenaive is just AMP'd up---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 11/20/2011 - 9:07pm.
AMP = Arse Munching Plagiarist.
MD
Well
Submitted by GregE on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 5:51pm.
10/25/2011 68% of Americans are in favor of a surtax on millionaires
What percentage Americans are millionaires? MUCH less than 68%. So non-millionaires are in favor of a surtax on millionaires. Well, gee what a shock! The "I'm for higher taxes......on other people" syndrome.
Where in the Constitution does it allow for taxing one person differently from another, simply by some politician's finger-in-the-wind "decision?"
10/27/2011
Millionaires for class warfare
This Wall Street Journal story on a new poll finding that 68 percent of millionaires support higher taxes on millionaires is getting a lot of attention today.
How many of those 68% have sent in donations to the Treasury? http://www.fms.treas.gov/faq/moretopics_gifts.html
August 10, 2011
Gallup asked Americans what they’d like to see Congress do next on debt reduction. The top response in the newly-released poll: “Increasing income taxes for upper-income Americans.” A large 66% majority endorsed this move, including 45% of self-identified Republicans.
See point #1.
A new CNN poll asked the same question. Guess what was the most popular debt-reduction idea? “Increases in taxes on businesses and higher-income Americans,” which was backed by a 63% majority.
See point #1.
A McClatchy/Marist poll (pdf) released yesterday found that 68% of Americans support raising taxes on income over $250,000. In this survey, a majority of self-identified Republicans supported the idea.
See point #1.
Bruce highlights (and links to) every poll he could find on this, and in each case, the margin was about 2-to-1 in support of tax increases for the wealthy
See point #1.
And that's been the "will of the people" since Jan 20, 2011.
See point #1.
Clearly Cleveturd you have
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 6:20pm.
Clearly Cleveturd you have gone off the deep end and are digging furiously through the bottom of a barrel of putrid libturd lies to lay claim to the dumbest troll this website has seen since your last account was banned.
I don't understand
Submitted by kata on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 7:14pm.
why some of you choose to feed this thing your rage. It obviously loves it.
True, kata---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 9:17pm.
but ignoring Clevenaive would be like ignoring a pregnant rat in the basement, hoping it will drop its' litter and then move the entire rodent family into the house next door and leave your domicile infestation free.
This troll is like all welfare weenies - so long as you give 'em a free ride, you will never be rid of them.
While "debating" them with conservative points may well give them sustenance, it in no way validates their relevance.
Quite the opposite, actually. :o)
MD
Besides,
Submitted by Kaleidoscopic God on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 9:48pm.
With how horribly he trolls the board, he's good target practice to test your arguing skills out upon.
Too true kata*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 9:49pm.
so we went expat...;-)
join us
I don't have a problem with debate
Submitted by kata on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 9:56pm.
Caricatures such as Henry Clay are amusing and good for a little barb trading until his slip shows and he has to run offstage to deal with wardrobe malfunctions. And then there are types like Coin who was just such a fish in the barrel you almost felt sorry for the kid.
I haven't seen a troll (in the true sense of the term : signing on to just being provocative) that's been able to debate and support their argument reasonably in a good long while.
This Clevnative construct, from what I've read and it's simply arming up for maximum damage and doesn't read (or care about) what anyone writes. Half the time it's posts don't even pertain to the blog at hand. Its manifesting every single liberal stereotype in one persona - just a mishmash of hot button name calling and general trash talk. Call me crazy but I refuse to believe this much ignorance could naturally occur in a person. *grin*
That said - I have no doubt, ignored or not, it will eventually be banned.
Okay, I call you crazy then.
Submitted by Kaleidoscopic God on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 10:01pm.
You can't believe this person is harnessing this much ignorance? He's a registered user of the Daily Kos. 'Nuff said.
lol!
Submitted by kata on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 10:16pm.
Yes, I was aware.
I did a little research,
Submitted by Kaleidoscopic God on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 10:20pm.
(with "a little research" being a 10 second google search) and apparently, from what I can gather, he's also a member of the New Curevents and the Huffington Post.
http://www.thenewcurevents.com/member.php?1099-Clevenative
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Clevenative
Ignoring Clevie-Poo is
Submitted by killa37 on Sun, 11/20/2011 - 1:38am.
Ignoring Clevie-Poo is tantamount to trying to ignore the big thick hair growing from your long-lost aunts mole on her chin!!!
I've got a little story for you all - you can take it any way you want. Last week, a guy I know hired me to do some repair and re-building of his dock, which is right on a river, near the beach. He likes to launch his little boat and his jet-ski out of there, because it goes right out into the ocean. And there are about 24 ducks walking around there - on his yard and property - and when I am working there, they are also walking over my fresh painted wood, and my tools, and my work area, and even getting right underfoot...........which is bothersome at best ......but they also POOP all over the place, with their stinky gooey duck POOP!!
He told me that there were 3-4 wild ducks just living in the river..........and he started to feed them...........and in no time at all, he had ALL of these ducks hanging around, making a mess, and standing at the bottom of his stairs every morning, expecting to get fed. And since my tools were near where he keeps his duck food..........they would follow me around too, thinking that I was going to feed them!!! Hahahaha!!! Fat chance!!! It's bad enough that I have to walk through their duck poop!!!
And he asked me if I would take some of them home!!!!!
Anyway...............just a little story without a whole lot of meaning.
hm
Submitted by kata on Sun, 11/20/2011 - 4:13am.
don't feed the ducks?
Take some home?
Submitted by Rukus on Sun, 11/20/2011 - 10:35pm.
2 words... orange sauce.
Ahhh.........Ruk........I
Submitted by killa37 on Sun, 11/20/2011 - 10:48pm.
Ahhh.........Ruk........I don't really like duck. It's a little too...........'ducky'(?) for me. But I don't eat much meat, so it's not a big deal. I definitly don't want any of them living over here at my place - I've got enough problems with the wild chickens, roosters, and pigs around here!!! Oh, and the useless trust-fund hippie who lives over on the next piece of property. I can't see him, but he's got two big idiotic parrots who just screech all the time, and I can hear them!!! And he's got a couple of mangy ugly dogs who venture onto my property once in a while, but I've managed to wing them with my pellet gun, so that's made them a little paranoid.
Don't call PETA, OK???
Check the Eighth Commandment, Cleve
Submitted by Unsane on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 9:48pm.
Here's an interesting poll for you: about 95-97% of Americans think stealing is wrong.
You are nothing more than a thief, and the most cowardly sort of one. You can't do the stealing yourself because you lack the intestinal fortitude it requires to stick a gun in someone's face and steal from them, so you need the state to do it FOR you.
You are one miserable human being. You are overwhelmingly angry at the fact that there are people more successful than you are. You are a hate-filled, envy-driven sort.
Instead of demanding that America become a kleptocracy to assuage your envy, maybe you ought to just get off your ass and work really hard and be successful yourself.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
If You Know Right From Wrong
Submitted by IVote on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 10:30pm.
then you don't need to cite polls. Supreme Court Justice Marshal established that precent to avoid mob rule -- which is inevitable when you have 50%+ of our population bellied up to the public pig trough. Your single-minded focus on proving that up is down is fitting, since the topic of the article is the "thickness" of liberals. Progressives/liberals seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.
Lies, damned lies, and statistics (and polls)
Submitted by falcon on Sun, 11/20/2011 - 11:42am.
68% of poll numbers are made up on the spot. (See what I did there?)
Your reliance on polls tells me that you like to hide behind someone else's made-up numbers in order to bolster your argument. What many people don't understand about polls is that the people being questioned are a small sample - sometimes as small as 200 people. That really shows how "most Americans" think, doesn't it?
In addition, the poll questions are phrased in order to get the answers the pollsters are seeking - and it happens on both the left and the right, so don't go quoting some "poll" that says some pollster is more "honest" or "forthright" than another, because those numbers don't mean jack, either.
Polls are lies constructed from someone else's uninformed opinion about a biased question, so they are automatically useless as anything but headline fodder. As other posters have noted, the only "poll" that counts is the one on Election Day.
If you have an opinion, great! Share it. But don't use polls to try and bolster an opinion or a position that is, at best, untenable, especially when the facts come into play. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
And BTW, if you have an opinion, be prepared to defend it vigorously with the truth, because you (and your credibility) will be destroyed if you don't.
“I will not stand by and watch this great country destroy itself under mediocre leadership, that drifts from one crisis to the next, eroding our national will and purpose.” – Ronald Reagan, July 17, 1980.
Clevetard, OWS is sinking,
Submitted by LAM SON 719 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 5:09pm.
Clevetard,
OWS is sinking, MSNBC's rating have tanked, Air America is long gone, and your hero obama has fled the the country.
I suggest you get a job, your days of living off government handouts is at a close and you'll soon be living in tent on a permenent basis.
Even if......
Submitted by 767pilot on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 5:52pm.
Even if your polls were correct, it isn't that difficult to see why the recipient class who don't pay any taxes would be in favor of tax increases. There is no way to tax our way out of this debt. If you were to confiscate the combined incomes of the so called 1% you wouldn't even be able to fund Barry's big government I wanna get reelected jobs plan. Get a clue.
Tax and tax more*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 6:19pm.
This is interesting. Tax the rich at 70% would raise 133 billion, that is how much Obama spent in the last 3 weeks.
Lets take ALL their money
We have to change a lot more than just taxes
Deficit reduction package
Submitted by povertypimpin on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 7:17pm.
This deal is only 1/10 of what needs to be done. We need 9 more of these deals to get to a balanced budget. Republicans are supposed to accept say 500 billion in tax increases? Guess what? Democrats will demand 500 billion more for the next deficit deal and then 500 billion more for the one after that. By the time we get to deficit deal #10 we will have 5 trillion in new taxes not including Obamacare taxes that have not taken effect. I will accept a tax increase one time for a package that balances the budget, but it would have to be phased in after the promised spending cuts are made each year.
Two things
Submitted by kata on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 7:24pm.
1. There is no such thing as a corporate tax.
2. Our Government will always spend the very last time it's given (and then far beyond that point).
The only way to pull the teeth of corporate America out of Government is to make it far less appetizing prey.
Mr. Krauthammer is losing patience with the dull witted drumbeat of the left. I think that's a reflection of many, many people across America.
I say fire every last congressman who isn't getting the right job done, and the job done right.
They weren't thick,,,they
Submitted by Pinetree3 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 11:48pm.
They weren't thick,,,they just refused to admit it.
This segment just goes to show...
Submitted by Bill Brasky on Sun, 11/20/2011 - 2:32am.
that you can't win an argument with an idiot.
D'Nile is a river in Egypt
Submitted by Clevenative on Sun, 11/20/2011 - 3:28am.
If you even knew that much.
I can't believe a bunch of wingnuts are trying to deny the polls. Funny how polls only matter when you want them to.
Like a bunch of Herman Cains. "They're all lying" LOL
Really Cleve?
Submitted by sentry_99 on Sun, 11/20/2011 - 4:07am.
"Funny how polls only matter when you want them to."
That is funny. Especially coming from the guy who above posted a long, rambling screed denying a poll because he didn't like what it said.
What country is the Hypocrite River in Cleve? I'm sure you know.
None of that matters.
Submitted by Michael30 on Sun, 11/20/2011 - 5:15am.
Polls do not govern a nation, laws do. Mob rule is an ugly and unfrotunate thing.
As for taxation, you do understand that rich people use financial planners whom usually began their careers as tax agents for the IRS, right?
You can raise the rate all you want, but they always find a way around it. Many corporations and people use dodges to not pay a dime.
Close the loopholes and maybe you have a chance at revenue increases. However, once that is done, politicians won't see that as current revenue, they see it as new revenue and will spend it as fast as a Dumpster begins to stink.
You can hurl insults all you want, but you cannot change the fact that we do not succumb to mob rule, and even if we did, the people you wish to take money from, that you did not earn, would find a way to preserve it for themselves.
-Mike
You are poll obsessed.
Submitted by acaiguana on Sun, 11/20/2011 - 9:34am.
As in 2010 and 2012 the only poll that counts was and will be the election.
Good luck trying to spin that one, troll.
ACA
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Quoted from: 'Acaiguana notes from the Underground' (Soon to be at theaters near you)
'Funny how polls only matter
Submitted by killa37 on Sun, 11/20/2011 - 4:10pm.
'Funny how polls only matter when you want them to'??? Ladies and gentlemen, do I - li'l ol' Killa, NEED to add ONE word to this statement from the KING OF POLLS HIMSELF, Clevie-Poo????
That is a good as his line from a couple of days ago, when he said 'I'm ONLY interested in the 'truth'!!!!
Polls
Submitted by Unsane on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 8:16am.
I'm a proud wingnut, and I learned to trust all polls at all times, especially due to the spectacular victory of President Dewey in 1948!
Wait a minute...
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)