More Maher Idiocy: Senate 'Never Used To Have' The Filibuster
NewsBusters readers know there's almost nothing I like doing more on a Saturday than exposing the ignorance of Bill Maher.
On HBO's "Real Time" Friday, the host came through like he always does showing his total lack of knowledge concerning how bills move through the Senate as he told the American Spectator's John Fund "they never used to have" the filibuster (video follows with transcript and commentary):
BILL MAHER, HOST: That shows how dysfunctional our government is, and it is partly because of this filibuster. The headline in the paper was jobs bill. 50 to 49. Fails. How could it fail 50 to 49? That’s 50 for. Used to be if you had 50 votes then there was, they brought in the Vice President, who's a Democrat, to break the deadlock and that was that.
Yes, he really did say the Vice President would have to vote if there was a 50 to 49 "deadlock."
And this man has his own nationally televised show each week.
I guess it's beyond his intellectual capacity to realize that 50 to 49 isn't a deadlock, and that the Vice President is only called in to decide a tie.
After all the nonsense that's come out of this man's mouth over the years, why should we expect him to understand something that simple?
But it gets better:
MAHER: There has been a quiet coup in this country where you now need 60 votes. We never voted on this idea that you need six. Why should this? This is not.
JOHN FUND, AMERICAN SPECTATOR: Bill, how many times, the Constitution..
MAHER: Yeah, the Constitution says a simple majority in the Senate. That's not what we have anymore.
Minutes later as the debate about this issue raged on:
Maher: First of all, you're talking as if the U.S. Constitution and this particular bill are the same thing.
FUND: You said it would pass. It wouldn't have.
MAHER: Well, I’m not so sure it wouldn’t. The fact it didn't pass, Harry Reid changed his vote. It becomes a procedural matter at some point. Yes, it would have passed if they did not have that filibuster hanging over their head which they never used to have hanging over their head.
Never? Really?
What liberals like Maher - who of course hate the filibuster when they're in the majority - but love it when they're not! - refuse to accept is that this procedure has been in existence since our nation was founded.
As the Senate's own website explains:
Using the filibuster to delay or block legislative action has a long history. The term filibuster -- from a Dutch word meaning "pirate" -- became popular in the 1850s, when it was applied to efforts to hold the Senate floor in order to prevent a vote on a bill.
In the early years of Congress, representatives as well as senators could filibuster. As the House of Representatives grew in numbers, however, revisions to the House rules limited debate. In the smaller Senate, unlimited debate continued on the grounds that any senator should have the right to speak as long as necessary on any issue.
In 1841, when the Democratic minority hoped to block a bank bill promoted by Kentucky Senator Henry Clay, he threatened to change Senate rules to allow the majority to close debate. Missouri Senator Thomas Hart Benton rebuked Clay for trying to stifle the Senate's right to unlimited debate.
Three quarters of a century later, in 1917, senators adopted a rule (Rule 22), at the urging of President Woodrow Wilson, that allowed the Senate to end a debate with a two-thirds majority vote, a device known as "cloture." The new Senate rule was first put to the test in 1919, when the Senate invoked cloture to end a filibuster against the Treaty of Versailles. Even with the new cloture rule, filibusters remained an effective means to block legislation, since a two-thirds vote is difficult to obtain. Over the next five decades, the Senate occasionally tried to invoke cloture, but usually failed to gain the necessary two-thirds vote. Filibusters were particularly useful to Southern senators who sought to block civil rights legislation, including anti-lynching legislation, until cloture was invoked after a 57 day filibuster against the Civil Right Act of 1964. In 1975, the Senate reduced the number of votes required for cloture from two-thirds to three-fifths, or 60 of the current one hundred senators.
Many Americans are familiar with the filibuster conducted by Jimmy Stewart, playing Senator Jefferson Smith in Frank Capra's film Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, but there have been some famous filibusters in the real-life Senate as well. During the 1930s, Senator Huey P. Long effectively used the filibuster against bills that he thought favored the rich over the poor. The Louisiana senator frustrated his colleagues while entertaining spectators with his recitations of Shakespeare and his reading of recipes for "pot-likkers." Long once held the Senate floor for 15 hours. The record for the longest individual speech goes to South Carolina's J. Strom Thurmond who filibustered for 24 hours and 18 minutes against the Civil Rights Act of 1957.
As such, and quite contrary to what most liberals like Maher believe, it's not the filibuster that's "new." It's the ability to end it via a cloture vote that was first enacted in 1917 and amended in 1975.
And yes, also quite contrary to what this nincompoop said, both changes were voted on.
Color me tremendously unsurprised that like so many things, Maher was totally uninformed about this critical part of civics.

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What's really new and not in
Submitted by eaglewingz08 on Sat, 10/15/2011 - 1:42pm.
What's really new and not in the Constitution and not in Senate rules, was the dems filibustering judicial appointments beginning in the Reagan Presidency. Before then, judicial appointments like other executive appointments were deemed the prerogative of the President unless the proposed nominee had serious competency or legal baggage. Thank Biden and his ilk for this perversion of the Constitution. But you won't see Maher ranting against the filibuster being used against judicial appointments unless those appointments that are blocked are from socialist democrap Presidents, like BHO.
Whats new is that Senators
Submitted by redfish on Sat, 10/15/2011 - 1:54pm.
Whats new is that Senators don't actually have to stand up and give speeches anymore in order to filibuster, they just have to declare themselves as fillibustering, and thats viewed as equivalent.
Kind of like how Nanny Pelosi
Submitted by Blonde on Sun, 10/16/2011 - 1:10am.
...used to "deem a bill passed".
Asshats.
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Bill Maher is an Idiot. Water
Submitted by ThePickle on Sat, 10/15/2011 - 1:44pm.
Bill Maher is an Idiot.
Water is Wet
The Sky is Blue.
Any other headlines from the file marked "Duh"?
Since Bill Maher thinks that
Submitted by TE on Sat, 10/15/2011 - 11:28pm.
Since Bill Maher thinks that Brazil has not used any oil in thirty years, has he ever explained what powers the vehicles in Brazil? Gerbils underneath tractor-trailors spinning all 18 wheels? Bat sh!t?
It's obvious................
Submitted by BEGRUNT on Sat, 10/15/2011 - 2:40pm.
that Donkeyface skipped out on his civics class in high school. What a walking talking moron!!
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
High School
Submitted by OldmanRick on Sun, 10/16/2011 - 6:37am.
Can we be certain that this monumental jackass ever attended any institution of higher learning after grade school? Or is he just a glaring example of our socialist public schools system which dumbs down more than educates? I chose both.
Stupid Bill Maher
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Sat, 10/15/2011 - 2:46pm.
But what about that Racist Democrat Al Gore Sr. participated in a 74-day filibuster against the Civil Rights Act of 1964?
I'm just saying, if liberals are lying about something as obvious as the existence of the filibuster, what else are they lying about.
I doubt even GOOGLE's mother ship has enough memory to store that list.
Caution...
Submitted by retrocon on Sat, 10/15/2011 - 3:38pm.
the liberals believe that you should never bring facts to a propaganda fight.
"Race" had nothing to do with it
Submitted by lrgon on Sun, 10/16/2011 - 2:10pm.
The goal was and still has to do with centralizing federal power.
In the mid sixties the ploy worked and this act of congress took away from the states, via a missnamed law (a more appropriate title being: the federal rights law) a large measure of the sovereignty of the states.
The states were doing away with Jim Crow laws and eventually all of the states would have done away with the "separate but equal" laws and the other laws that white segregationists used as their calling card.
The Media (liberal to the hilt), the tax-exempt foundations ( liberal to the hilt) and the hired actors like MLK used the "civil rights movement " like a military campaign. The "civil rights" leaders marched in order to create a "blow back" (current CIA term) from the southern segregationists to light up the cities with street violence. The media would play up the violence on television in order to set up congress with the climate of passage of an anti- states' sovereignty act. The con worked just like the reds planned and not even today has a sizable segment of the dumbed down population caught on!
Heck, even Bobby Kennedy approved the survelliance of King by the FBI. J.Edgar provided proof of MLK's communist conections in using the marching for "equal rights" to create mass disturbances to bring in the federal troops. Once the precedent of calling in federal troops to a state problem was ingrained in the minds of the masses the next step was a law attacking the states sovereignty. That's all the "civil rights" act was about. Sure the drinking fountains and the riding in the back of the bus and separate movies houses and hiring only black busboys practiced by hotels throught out the south were done away with. But that was only an illusion to mask the true intentions of MLK, media and key politicians and rich foundations to change the republic to a central bureacracy run out of Washington.
MLK and the KKK communist instigators provided the perfect political storm to break down states rights in the name of "equal rights" which was strictly for show.
The media never pointed out the communist agitators in the "civil rights" movement just like they still don't expose the communist agitators and organizations operating out in the open in the Occupy Wall Street protests. The Media works in tandem with foundation-funded protesters of OWS today as they did with marchers of yesteryear. And "race" had nothing to do with it in the 60's nor does "capitalism" have anything to do with OWS. Both movements are aimed at toppling the US republic in order to create a total police state.
The MLK tapes will someday reveal ( if they aren't destroyed) the roll that MLK played in building the central government. His role in the sixties is no different in federalizing the states than Obamacare is. Both tear at the very foundation of article IV, section 4 of the US Constitution.
Post of the Month.....
Submitted by adamsmith on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 7:33am.
Couldn't agree with you more...Somebody had to say it and you did. MLK was a commie pinko being used by the Soviet Union and many others. I think the term was useful idiot until his usefulness had ended. He got jacked to cover Communist tracks, not the CIA.........
I didn't say MLK was a communist
Submitted by lrgon on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 12:49pm.
FBI Director, J.Edgar Hoover, went to his boss Bobby Kennedy to get the go ahead to tail and record MLK's conversations. Those whom MLK met with and had connections with were people like Hunter Pitts Odell. Odell was a communist organizer in the south and preached and practiced communism all his adult life. Hunter Pitts Odell was well known to the FBI as a subversive. What was he doing within this movement that was being sold as a "civil rights" movement? This lady was an undercover operative for the FBI and she provided the FBI with details of the real purpose behind the "civil rights movement." http://www.amazon.com/testify-years-undercover-agent-FBI/dp/B0007DE24K
I love this guy. Even though
Submitted by Rusty Shackleford on Sat, 10/15/2011 - 3:49pm.
I love this guy. Even though the Left dominates the media, their Achilles' heel is that they've become so intellectually lazy that intellectually-deficient people like Maher, Sharpton, and Behar are proudly trotted out as some of their brightest minds.
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Chris Matthews: The Joy Behar of MSNBC.
Bill Maher: The Joy Behar of HBO.
Paul Krugman: The Joy Behar of The New York Times.
What Planet is Maher From?
Submitted by Avitar on Sat, 10/15/2011 - 5:29pm.
He really should sit down and read a little history of this planet. The Democrat Senators like Al Gore Senior blocked the Republican Civil Rights bills for over a hundred years with filibusters. From the time such legislation was to protect freed blacks from being re-enslaved to when LBJ finally took the Democrat Party out of the KKK in the nineteen sixties the Democrats always used the filibuster to stop progress.
The same would be true is the Republicans were seeking to free the education of the nation's children from the control of the public Teachers Unions the Democrats would flee the country rather than have a vote that might endanger their primary union clients.
I'm in my sixtieth decade and they were teaching filibuster...
Submitted by drsamherman on Sat, 10/15/2011 - 7:34pm.
...as a senate debating rule back when I was in school during the Fillmore administration.
OMG!!
Submitted by Djinn1975 on Sat, 10/15/2011 - 11:27pm.
Doc is 600! :)
Wow, Doc Sam is over 600 years old!
Submitted by Dave. on Sun, 10/16/2011 - 1:21am.
LOL - No wonder he is do damn smart.
Doc, I waited, and waited, and waited some more (even considered shooting you a PM, but football was a playin') to see if you were going to edit that, but I finally just could not help myself any longer.
-Sorry.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Yeah...sixtieth decade....
Submitted by drsamherman on Sun, 10/16/2011 - 1:15am.
...at least that is how it feels when I hear my sons and daughters talk!!!!
I am not sure that I even speak the same language as my grandchildren. I think they may be from another planet. I don't understand text-speak. What is UR and ZOMG?
Doc Sam,
Submitted by Dave. on Sun, 10/16/2011 - 1:29am.
I am clueless.
LOL - But then again, I don't even like laptops.
I still like desktops, with big screens, as my 47 yo eyes just aren't what they used to be.
30+ years of surveying, drafting, and AutoCad finally got to me.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
How old are you?
Submitted by CobraMan on Sun, 10/16/2011 - 1:08pm.
"I was in school during the Fillmore administration."
You attended school in the 1850's? Just how old are you?
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Maher needs a refresher
Submitted by Beukeboom on Sat, 10/15/2011 - 10:07pm.
Maher needs a refresher course.
It's like Orwell said....
Submitted by Jersey Dave on Sun, 10/16/2011 - 12:25am.
"We have always been at war with Eastasia." Watch the telescreens. Except these days the most insane ranters have more thna two minutes of hate a day.
Maher is correct! There is no
Submitted by LAM SON 719 on Sun, 10/16/2011 - 1:53am.
Maher is correct! There is no filibuster in North Korea, China, or in any of the African Utopias.
Speaking of the Constitution...
Submitted by CobraMan on Sun, 10/16/2011 - 12:59pm.
"Yeah, the Constitution says a simple majority in the Senate."
Speaking of the Constitution, it states that "Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings." If the Senate want's to make a "cloture" rule, a rule that 60 percent of the Senators must agree before a bill will be brought up for an actual vote, which then only takes a simple majority to pass, it's has the Constitutional authority to do so.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Exactly
Submitted by Galvanic on Sun, 10/16/2011 - 1:32pm.
Maher hasn't really read the Constitution, now have many of his fellow travellers.
Technically you are correct, but the abuse is a new repub tactic
Submitted by coin of the realm on Sun, 10/16/2011 - 10:59pm.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/05/weakening-america-mi...
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/10/chronicles-of-false-...
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/breakingthefilibuster.jpg
A few things about that graph. First, the rise in filibusters is just shocking. And this doesn't even count all of them. It only counts those filibusters that the majority actually tried to do something about. Plenty more filibusters get threatened, but cloture doesn't get filed because the issue isn't important enough or the votes aren't present.
Second, note how many filibusters get broken. It's not all, but it's a far cry from none (and it's more than you see in this graph, as filibusters that get withdrawn don't end through cloture). Some get broken by overwhelming majorities. But that doesn't mean the filibuster failed. A dedicated filibuster takes about a week to break even if you have the votes. That's a week of wasted time in the Senate. If your preference isn't merely to delay one vote but to threaten the majority with the prospect of getting less done overall, then launching a lot of fruitless filibusters makes perfect sense.
Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws. Mayer Amschel Rothschild
Really? Just really? Seriously?
Submitted by Prisondog1776 on Sun, 10/16/2011 - 11:16pm.
You site Ezra Klein and another lib writer that served in the Carter administration as a " Repub Tactic".
Finally?
Submitted by AdrianVance on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 1:48pm.
Are we finally catching on that Bill Maher is an idiot? Anyone who has ever had to deal with him in the business has long known that his only real skill is that he can get it all in commode while standing up, but he had to take special instruction to do that right. The man is a moron.
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