MSNBC's O'Donnell Accuses Herman Cain -- Who Worked for the Navy -- of Being a Draft Dodger
UPDATE AT END OF POST: O'Donnell evaded draft with college deferment.
Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain and MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell had quite a heated battle on Thursday's "The Last Word."
During one segment, after O'Donnell besmirched his guest for not enlisting for military service during the Vietnam War despite having worked for the Department of Navy as a ballistics analyst, Cain marvelously asked, "Do you stay up night to come up with the wording in these questions or do you have someone writing them for you?" (video follows with transcript and commentary):
LAWRENCE O’DONNELL, HOST: Question about the Commander-in-Chief role. I misread your book in its references to the Navy, and I thought you served in the Navy. You're now telling me you didn't. Can you explain how you avoided military service during the Vietnam War and during the draft and why you should be Commander-in-Chief if you did successfully avoid military service during the war that came during what would have been your war years, how you, after avoiding the Vietnam War, why should you be Commander-in-Chief?
Can you imagine O'Donnell asking this question of Bill Clinton who completely evaded the Vietnam War? This seems especially absurd as Cain while in college worked full-time for the Department of the Navy developing fire control systems for ships and fighter planes:
HERMAN CAIN, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Lawrence, you know, do you stay up night to come up with the wording in these questions or do you have someone writing them for you?
O’DONNELL: I just thought of that one right now when I heard you didn't serve in the Navy or the military during Vietnam.
CAIN: First of all --
O’DONNELL: How did you do that?
CAIN: Lawrence, first of all, I wanted to clarify the record because I didn't want to be accused later of saying that I served in the Navy. And if you read the book closely, it says I worked for the Department of the Navy. Now, your choice of words to say, “How did I avoid the Vietnam War?” I wasn't trying to avoid the Vietnam War. Here's what happened, Lawrence. I was working in a critical area called exterior ballistics. I worked on something called the rocket-assisted projectile for the Department of the Navy. It was my local board in Atlanta, Georgia, that told me, we would rather for you to continue to do that analytical work to help the Navy rather than us drafting you. Secondly, when they had the lottery, I made myself available. The year that they had the lottery for the draft they did not draft me because they didn't get to my number. So I think that's a poor choice of words on your part, to say that I avoided the Vietnam War. I made myself available to my country, and they did not draft me. The rest of the time I was serving my country in a critical role called exterior ballistics analysis. So I am offended with your choice of words in terms of what I was doing during the Vietnam War.
Seems like a good answer, right? Not for O'Donnell who continued to press the issue:
O’DONNELL: I am offended on behalf of all the veterans of the Vietnam War who joined, Mr. Cain. The veterans who did not wait to be drafted like John Kerry who joined. They didn't sit there and wait to find out what their draft board was going to do. They had the courage to join and to go and fight that war. What prevented you from joining, and what gives you the feeling that after having made that choice you should be the Commander-in-Chief?
O'Donnell is offended on behalf of all the veterans of the Vietnam War. Is he similarly offended by Clinton not enlisting to fight in Vietnam or Barack Obama not joining up to fight in Desert Storm?
Obviously not, for when Democrats opt not to serve their country, it's somehow heroic.
Having had enough of this issue concerning a matter now almost 50 years old, Cain respectfully asked the subject be changed to something more important to the nation today:
CAIN: Well Lawrence, we have a difference of opinion, and I would like to move on to talking about how we’re going to boost this economy. It’s called my 999 plan before we run out of time.
Exit question: Can you imagine O'Donnell or anyone on MSNBC so disrespectfully treating a Democratic presidential candidate?
*****Update: O'Donnell was born November 7, 1951, turning eighteen and becoming eligible for service in Vietnam in 1969. As you might imagine, he never enlisted.
Despite being given a draft lottery number of 72 in 1970, and the military taking numbers up to 125 that year, O'Donnell evaded the draft through a college deferment.
Who is he to point fingers at anyone for their military service, especially someone that worked for the Navy?
*****Update II: I wonder if O'Donnell thinks Vice President Joe Biden is unfit to be Commander-in-Chief given his five deferments.
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The howler of the piece....
Submitted by motherbelt on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:16am.
O’DONNELL: I am offended on behalf of all the veterans of the Vietnam War who joined, Mr. Cain.
It's positively hilarious to watch liberals ping-pong between "military service doesn't matter" and "if you didn't enlist, you're not a patriot."
what gives you the feeling that after having made that choice you should be the Commander in Chief?
Just like they all badgered Bill Clinton, right?
And on top of that then they criticize people,.....
Submitted by Prester John on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:20am.
....excuse me, CONSERVATIVE people, for not participating in a war that that they themselves hold up as the eptiome of an immoral, unjust, war of aggression against peace loving people, that was fought by a bunch of crazed baby killers.
These people are absolute insane and incapable of rational thought.
"Stupid people are ruining America"
Herman Cain 2012
www.hermancain.com
Irony meter explodes again
Submitted by motherbelt on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 1:28pm.
Cant' be CinC if one didn't serve?
Can you say "Barack Obama" Ed?
And I'll bet my last nickel you voted for him!
He's offended for them, for
Submitted by GregE on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 5:05pm.
He's offended for them, for himself. Not that I care, but since he was accusing Cain of something, O'Donnell was born in 1951. Why did HE not volunteer? If he's offended, does he offend himself? What a moron.
motherbelt...In fact Clinton WAS badgered about it.
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:15pm.
Especially during the campaign.
But why don't we forget about who served or whose service was more honorable or who was questioned more about his service, and just focus on the fact that O'Donnell was engaging in irresponsible, gutter-tactic "journalism".
Jer
But jeeeeeeerrrrrrrr
Submitted by Denny Crane on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 12:31am.
Was he badgered about it from far left socialist anti military "journalists"?
We Are The 53%
Of course Denny,
Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 12:36am.
All of Jers heros are attacked by the left. Just look at the WS protest?
And yet another solid contribution
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 12:44am.
from "The Stalker".
Jer
Just as solid
Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 12:50am.
As they come Jer,
So are you purposely trying to get my goat?
Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 12:55am.
With more name calling? Good luck with that.
It looks like it's already been gotten,
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 1:12am.
kid.
Jer
Kid Stalker
Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 10:23am.
Hey, I like it.
"Kid Stalker"? Wasn't that a
Submitted by Beukeboom on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 12:46pm.
"Kid Stalker"? Wasn't that a movie with Elvis Presley?
Denny...Maybe not those of the anti-war left who considered
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 12:41am.
draft avoidance almost a sacred enterprise. Otherwise, the badgering pretty much spanned the entire political spectrum. Talk show host Kim "The Great American" Peterson referred to him as "President Pussy" for eight years.
Jer
That was in reference, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 1:45am.
to Clinton's main goal in life, not his lack of courage to serve in the military.
MD
Very astute, MD...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 2:02am.
it could have applied to both. Peterson made it clear which he had in mind, however. Another favorite was "President Sissy".
Jer
Who?
Submitted by Denny Crane on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 4:45am.
Sorry, I wasn't much of a political news watcher in the 90's. But can you seriously say that the questions from across the spectrum would even hold a candle to this?
We Are The 53%
Denny...;
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 10/09/2011 - 1:40am.
I've already expressed my opinion a couple of times on this thread that O'Donnell's behavior was despicable. Cain handled the situation magnificently.
Jer
Armed and dangerous
Submitted by Dr. Sandy Kramer on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 4:50am.
My father received a deferment. He was working on the Manhattan Project after he graduated from Carnegie Tech. Someone out there have a problem with that?
Dr. Sandy Kramer
Obama's military service
Submitted by Dr. Sandy Kramer on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 4:45am.
And don't forget Obama's heroics in the Battle of South Chicago.
Dr. Sandy Kramer
LOD doesn't speak for me!!!!
Submitted by scottyusmc on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:14am.
Kerry?? - what a joke!!! That boy joined for political reason to enhance his resume, didn't complete a full tour and pencil-whipped a Purple Heart out of it. He also travelled into the war zone with a personal bodyguard to keep him safe. I admire Mr. Cain since I'm sure some of the technology he worked on saved many US lives...
Not just one purple heart, but
Submitted by Bodini on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:33am.
multiple purple hearts.
really?!!
Submitted by Dr. Ron on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 12:18pm.
Nam: Four months in country...not usual 12; never came back to duty as did most others ....even tho he had no debilitating woulds...even the self-inflicted ricochet was only a scratch; refuses to release military/medical records; when back in USA, told outrageous lies in Congressional hearings about the "atrocities" his (former, I guess) band of brothers did in 'Nam...has a plaque celebrating this testimony in the Hanoi war museum...you want more? It exists!
It's three purple hearts
Submitted by pockets64 on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 12:18pm.
At least one was under dubious conditions, as in he threw a grenade recklessly and got caught by his own blast.
And then he threw the medals over a fence "to give them back." But wait, he threw someone else's medals over the fence and claimed they were his own medals.
Kerry also had other integrity problems, saying he was in locations that he could not have been and so on.
Typical Marxist DEMwit ...
Submitted by Bodini on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 1:08pm.
always lobbing something that ultimately hits them in the A$$!
Lawrence O'Donnel
Submitted by Timothy H. Bumb on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:41am.
If you replay this clip, you'll notice the subtle smile on Lawrence's face. He knows he's talking out of his ass because his head knows better. What qualified Bill Clinton to be Commander in Chief? I speak as a veteran of 27 years of U.S. Army service, retiring as a SGM E9. Does this fact qualify me to be Commander in Chief? Not so much!
I noticed it to.. just want
Submitted by ParalegalGoddess on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:51am.
I noticed it to.. just want to reach out and smack it righ off of him. I wish these politicians would call these idiots out on such things. If Herman Cain isn't fit to be commander in chief because he didn't "serve" in the military then neither Bammo. Cause the last time I checked, he never wore a uniform.
The only uniform Obama has worn.
Submitted by Denny Crane on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 12:37am.
And he was always a benchwarmer.
We Are The 53%
O'Donnell is a pompous ass
Submitted by Galvanic on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 1:07pm.
. . . and that's putting it mildly.
For the record, O'Donnell was born in 1951. That means he turned 18 in 1969 -- in other words, while the Vietnam War was still raging. He never served in the military for even a day, which means that if he was drafted, he dodged it (ala Clinton), and if he was drafted, he opted not to volunteer.
So be it. He's no different than the majority of American males who came of military age during the war.
Cain gave an logic and straight-forward response to O'Donnell's absurd and unfounded charge of draft dodging.
But for O'Donnell to claim to be speaking "on behalf of the Vietnam veterans" goes beyond the pale.
O'Donnell is absolutely phallic.
He is the same age as I am. I
Submitted by ricklail on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 1:23pm.
He is the same age as I am. I joined in 69 before being drafted. I wasn't college and I wasn't a Senator's son so I knew it was just a matter of time before they got me. Besides my dad is the one that told me the Army was what I needed to straighten me out. I was a semi-hippie. I took baths but I believed in the free love. He is same age as I am so how did he miss the draft? 1969 things were pretty hot and heavy in Nam.
It's appalling
Submitted by Galvanic on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 2:19pm.
I enlisted in the US Army in May 1973, served in the infantry alongside NCOs with CIBs for 3 years, and later served as an officer in the US Navy for 21 years, and I would never presume that I can speak on behalf of veterans, let alone on "behalf of Vietnam veterans" like yourself.
O'Donnell's charge makes Joe McCarthy look good.
Let's check the journalistic errors:
1- He misread Cain's story, and wrongly attributed Cain with having claimed to have been in the Navy, rather than working in the Department of the Navy.
2- He extrapolates from his own error that somehow Cain dodged the draft, when he had no evidence of Cain's Selective Service status as determined by his draft board.
3 - Since Cain was not drafted, he slanderously suggests that Cain dodged the draft.
4 - Compounding his charge, he accuses Cain for not volunteering for service, without knowing whether Cain ever attempted to enlist or not (Some try to enlist, but are turned away for any of a variety of reasons).
5 - Though he's never served in the armed forces a day in his life, especially when he was 18-21 and could've gone to Vietnam, he dares to speak "on behalf of Vietnam veterans."
No one can ever mask this kind of manure as journalism. Apologies would never undo what this bastard has laid on the table.
"Tail Gunner" Larry ought to hear from every veteran, and he's going to hear from me.
Had Cain known O'Donnell's
Submitted by GregE on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 5:08pm.
Had Cain known O'Donnell's age and his having not volunteered, he could have very calmly slammed him and told him that he must be offending himself if he's offended, but I doubt he knew that info. And O'Donnell was likely banking on that too.
Good eye, my friend...............
Submitted by djwolf12 on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 6:27pm.
Listening to the series of his so called "Gotcha" questions throughout the WHOLE interview, Crazy Larry is trying to paint Herman Cain as a COWARD.
Kerry if I remember correctly,
Submitted by Big Wally on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:59am.
only enlisted because he was turned down for a fellowship to Oxford. Didn't want to be drafted into the Army or Marines. The Marines were also drafting during the early years of the war.
I seem to remember they put
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 3:00pm.
I seem to remember they put the draftees in a line and counted off, 1 - 2. One set went Marines the other Army.
When I was at the induction
Submitted by ricklail on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 3:17pm.
When I was at the induction center getting a physical they told the first 10 to step forward. The next words were welcome to the United States Marine Corps. I joined the Army because I was afraid the Marines would get me. I'd heard enough horror stories about Parris Island. Our first weekend pass was over July 4th. My buddies that were going through Marine boot camp the same time I was going through Ft Jackson came home too and it scared me. Those were the days basic depicted in Full Metal Jacket and Tribes. Not to say anything bad about the Navy but my buddy that was going through Great Lakes made it sound like basic was a vacation compared to what we were going through.
Correction scotty...
Submitted by USMC8411 on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 4:17pm.
It was Algore with the personal body guards and the FILM CREWS. Kerry gave himself 3 purple hearts, the exact number needed to get out of Vietnam, as a "hero" while NEVER keeping his CAMPAIGN PROMISE to sign the SF 180, releasing his medical/service records.
That grain of rice that bruised his buttocks must have led to his PTSD....
Unfit for Command is a great book debunking the war hero and his stories." Try to find a copy of this: http://johnkerry-08.com/new_soldier.php
Semper Fi scotty....
Smug
Submitted by Whoa on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:17am.
Wouldn't it be a hoot to rub that smug look off of that idiots face?
The guy is Sideshow Bob.
Submitted by NeoKong on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:20am.
Honest to god. O'Donnell should be wearing floppy shoes and a big red nose. The guy is a friggin' cartoon.
I'm offended
Submitted by bbboss on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:21am.
that this a**hole thinks he is speaking me and the rest of my Vietnam vet friends. Who the hell does he think he is? I am really starting to despise some of these MSLSD hosts....of course, this jerk (I can't even type his name) makes me want to support Herman Cain all the more....
You're just NOW starting to
Submitted by marpel on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 1:43pm.
You're just NOW starting to despise the creeps at MSNBC? OMG...there is not a one on that network who is worthy of shining Herman Caine's shoes....
"Deep within my heart lies a memory. A song of ol' San Antone..."
When larry repeated about where Mr. Cain was during the Vietnam
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:25am.
war era, Cain should have come back harder the second time larry asked the SAME question as shouldn't he have volunteered.
What Cain should have said then is, "Larry are you brainwashed as well? You just asked that and I answered you clearly.
You see larry, the government needed me more for my skills in mathematics than to carry a gun. A gun shoots one enemy right larry? But a mathematically targeted bomb takes out many enemies. Can you understand that larry or is your brainwashing that severe?"
Well, here's another answer...
Submitted by retrocon on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:37am.
Mr. Cain should have said:
"Larry, since you didn't criticize Bill Clinton, who didn't volunteer, who didn't serve in any way at all, but was white, are you targeting me because I'm black, and you think that all blacks should have been sent over there to fight?"
I would love to see him turn the tables on the ignorant, racist, leftists in the media.
Excellent, retrocon
Submitted by Galvanic on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 2:21pm.
Cain ought to turn the Race Card Game back on these clowns.
EXACTLY...
Submitted by USMC8411 on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 4:29pm.
Mr. Cain should have asked larry if larry only asks black republicans that question! Romney didn't serve. No comment. Perry served. No comment. Bachmann didn't serve (she would have if Mr. Bachmann told her to... good woman!), Ron Paul, Vietnam Flight Surgeon, Santorum didn't serve....
Bush served, loyally, yet you and larry's ilk attacked him for his service. He was a fighter pilot. Kerry was a boat driver.... Yet Bush was stupid even when he had better grades than the liberal intellectual!
By the way larry, where were you during the civil rights battle when all of your liberal democrat politicians wanted to keep Mr. Cain and his family, "on the plantation?"
Only MSNBC & O'Donnell Can Make Hitler Comparisons
Submitted by Blue Collar Todd on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:28am.
Remember that O'Donnell essentially compared Jesus to Hitler a ways back.
http://www.bluecollarphilosophy.com/2011/10/i-guess-only-socialists-like...
In another part of this interview he pushes Cain about Hank Williams Jr., what a total hypocrite O'Donnell is.
I saw this exchange and
Submitted by marpel on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:29am.
I saw this exchange and wanted to pull out my pistol and shoot my TV. And I would have loved for Herman Caine to have been in the studio w/ that nut job when he said those things. Something tells me that that mental case would have never said those things to his face because he's a freakin' mentally ill coward.
I think that nut, Odonnell should really be committed and his roommates should be Keith Olberman and Ed Schultz. Let them wallow in each other like a freakin' bucket of eels.
"Deep within my heart lies a memory. A song of ol' San Antone..."
Larry
Submitted by Utherpend on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:35am.
How about you get your fact straight.
What a scum bag to sit there and act as if he cares what any person in the military feels about another person. Mr Cain did very well rebuking the slander Larry was spewing.
Some poor bastard just got ran over by THE CAIN TRAIN!
Submitted by syvyn11 on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:39am.
And there's nothing left of Crazy Larry.
WoW......
Submitted by totsotvaitn on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 12:05pm.
Exactly what I was thinking but you said it so much better. GO MR CAIN.....
O'Donnell is too much of a
Submitted by Beukeboom on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:41am.
O'Donnell is too much of a coward to make the same accusations with the same wording in the same tone if Herman Cain were in the studio with O'Donnell.
I completely agree. O'donnell
Submitted by marpel on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 1:46pm.
I completely agree. O'donnell is a weasel, who doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to face someone of Herman Caine's stature and say those things. I bet I could beat the crap out of O'donnell, and I'm a girl!
"Deep within my heart lies a memory. A song of ol' San Antone..."
As a Viet Nam veteran
Submitted by almostacowboy on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:46am.
I am offended -I MEAN I AM REALLY PISSED OFF - by a self-righteous, self-serving, self-avowed, socialist puke coward being paid to be on TV.
USNMCB 40 (The Fighting Forty)
Phu Bai, RVN 1968-69
The difference between
Submitted by Bodini on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:47am.
Herman and Slick Willy is that he did make himself available for the draft while the Slickmeister consciously and maliciously avoided the draft!
To bring Kerry into the equation is, in my view, FLAWED MATH! What a joke!
MSNBC - Marxist Socialist Nutless Blowhard Cowards
O'Donnell is a liar and a no-talent hack.
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:57am.
Just got back from a trip and watched the whole interview over at Real Clear Politics. Earlier in the “interview” –when discussing Mr. Cain’s participation in the equal rights movement [more O’D criticism] - O’D (Odd) said he read and paid great attention to Mr. Cain’s book… Yet in this segment he seemed to forget that Herman Cain was not “IN-the-Navy,” but worked as a civilian mathematician FOR the Navy... in other words (IMO) he deliberately misstated Mr. Cain’s resume.
I’m sure if Mr. Cain had “volunteered” to serve in Vietnam, Odd would have accused him of being a “war-monger.”
BTW - Cain clearly won the entire exchange.
- Grump :o)
I saw the whole interview as
Submitted by ant on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 12:20pm.
I saw the whole interview as well, O'Donnell should be ashamed to show his face in public, what a pathetic joke we have posing as news sources. It's nothing more than an attempt to smear mud on Cain, and O'Donnell knows it. Like Cain said, this Country has some pressing issues that cannot be ignored now and idiots like Larry wanna stir sh*t from 1963.
What a . . .
Submitted by Lakewood Ed on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:01am.
What a pant-load.
Cain did exactly the right thing
Submitted by definer on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:01am.
He kept his head, didn't take the bait that O'Donnell put out, and didn't get engaged in a war of words where he could have made a mistake.
For those of you who are offended, tell MSNBC, NBC, and Comcast.
If you support Cain, you have three things to do:
1) Donate so he has the cash to campaign
2) Make sure your support is vocal
3) VOTE
It's just that simple.
Herman Cain DID serve. Did you, Larry?
Submitted by drsamherman on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 12:50pm.
Herman Cain was involved in research deemed vital by the Department of Defense and his local draft board. He did not need a military title or rank to have formally served his country.
The foul air diatribe coming out of Larry's mouth is not public service, except perhaps for him serving as a bad example to children who misbehave--"eat your lima beans and clean your room or you'll end up like Larry!"
EDITED TO ADD: So Larry avoided the draft and never served anything but coffee and propaganda? No surprise here.
O'Donnell Is Repulsive
Submitted by stratman on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 9:44pm.
Larry serves his Socialist master.
So...let me see....
Submitted by loxmyth on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:05am.
... if I understand the thought process here. Clinton, who not only didn't enlist, but went to very great lengths to avoid being drafted, was okay. But Cain, who has completed his schooling, and was involved is his own assistance to the war effort...he's wrong for not volunteering to be nothing more than cannon fodder. Hmm...let's see....what is the difference between the two... Oh, it's obvious to anyone that looks at the two of them....as in you can SEE just by looking at them. RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEST!!!
Ya, so the white man who was still working on his degrees...since he knew some people, it's okay he doesn't serve his country at all. But the black man...he obviously can do nothing constructive if he's not toting the gun, he is wrong for not volunteering.
Did I miss anything here? By the way, I'm not sure, but Goober there looks old enough, just what was he doing during the Vietnam conflict?
Every time I hear Herman Cain talk I just want to cheer and yell louder. For the first time I can remember, I can't wait to cast my vote for someone I really want to see take the office, rather than cast my vote against the other guy. (Ya, my first Presidential election I voted for Reagan, but i was 18 and didn't know much beyond that Carter was baaaaaaad.)
Goober there looks old enough,
Submitted by CarlosS on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:12am.
Goober O'Donnell was born in 1951, prime time to be a VietNam veteran..., had he not been a Hawvawd with his college deferrment...
BTW, Go Herman Cain! I'll support you all the way to the White House.
seven years in college
Submitted by kata on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:30am.
1969-1976. Graduated with a 4 yr degree (BA)
Saw a Univ of Georgia T-shirt that said....
Submitted by almostacowboy on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 5:58pm.
"Athens, GA. 5 or 6 of the best years of years of your life".
Even Bulldogs don't take 7 years to "gragiate".
"Seven years of collage down
Submitted by red_dragon311 on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 11:59am.
"Seven years of collage down the drain, I should'a joined the peace corps"
Even the Bible argees Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few; and let another take office."
Just to note...
Submitted by loxmyth on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:36am.
I typically woulda referred to him as Gomer...but Gomer actually DID enlist.
well heck
Submitted by kata on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 1:39pm.
if he was a Democrat I am sure there would have been some kind of racial reasons for the Navy wanting to keep him out of the military.
These kinds of verbal gymnastics only make these idiots look more stupid each day. I can't believe Mr O'Donnell brought up Swift Boat Kerry.
Mr O'Donnell, the men and women who have honorably served their country are not your pets to be brought out to used as bait and stuffed back in our crates as needed. That is more offensive than anything.
edit : after watching this entire interview I have to conclude that Lawrence O'Donnell must have spent a lot of High School stuffed in his locker.
Obama was young enough not
Submitted by eaglewingz08 on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:15am.
Obama was young enough not only to volunteer for Desert Storm but also to volunteer to fight in Afghanistan. is Obama a draft dodger too?
Just to note...
Submitted by loxmyth on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:33am.
Draft dodger, no. Hasn't been a draft since Vietnam. Avoiding service to his country? Well, yes. Even to this day he does his best to avoid serving his country.
Just a note lox, a draft dodger today...
Submitted by USMC8411 on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 4:39pm.
is any male who fails to register with the selective service system.
ATTENTION, UNDOCUMENTED MALES & IMMIGRANT SERVICING GROUPS!
If you are a man ages 18 through 25 and living in the U.S., then you must register with Selective Service. It’s the law. According to law, a man must register with Selective Service within 30 days of his 18th birthday.
http://www.sss.gov/Default.htm
There is no proof that Barry Soetoro or Barack Hussein O'bama has ever registered with the selective service system.
O'bama did (allegedly) receive US government funds to attend college in direct violation of this law.
Oh, come on!
Submitted by almostacowboy on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 6:00pm.
Have you ever seen this guy golf? Would you want to share a foxhole with him?
You can't take libs seriously
Submitted by SaguaroJack on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:16am.
How can one take liberals seriously? They sink beneath contempt. They stretch beyond ridiculous. They surpass vomitous. They exceed -- but one runs out of appropriate words.
.
I am offended as well.
Submitted by CobraMan on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:32am.
"They had the courage to join and to go and fight that war."
I am offended that O'Donnell didn't volunteer to serve in Vietnam, yet has the gall to demean others for the same thing.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
WHAT IS OBAMAS MILITARY
Submitted by Pinetree3 on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:47am.
WHAT IS OBAMAS MILITARY SERVICE RECORD, O'DONNELL??????
Niles Crane strikes again
Submitted by Tomorama on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 12:03pm.
Don't forget, Obama wrote TWO BOOKS............................ and NEVER mentioned joining the military or even considering it EVER.
BUT on the campaign trail, he said "I considered military service, but the Vietnam conflict had ended".
So the liar in chief writes two books and never mentions such thoughts, but he DID consider it, but there were no "yellow people to uh, uh, uh kill or something"...
Sotero, I CONSIDERED IT and gladly and passionately volunteered.
Kerry KNEW his number was coming up so he JOINED the least likely branch to get sent over.
HUH?
Submitted by CobraMan on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 12:22pm.
"I considered military service, but the Vietnam conflict had ended."
Did Obama actually say that? The man is the same age I am, and that means the Vietnam "conflict" ended when he was 12! Talk about a cop-out!
By the way, it's interesting that he never mentions Kora, a "conflict" that is still occurring today.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
A Request
Submitted by Bill Brasky on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 12:09pm.
Would someone in NY please hunt down O'Donnell, beat the living sh_t out of him and take video? Thanks
O'donnell is Nothing
Submitted by ricklail on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 1:30pm.
Nothing being defined as a turd with the crap stomped out of it.
Another stupid post
Submitted by Denny Crane on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 1:00am.
by the drive by poster. But at least it's starting to bleep it's language.
We Are The 53%
Well, at least we can be assured
Submitted by Lord-come-soon-... on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 12:15pm.
that this little set-to won't get much attention, due to the approximately 14.3 people who watch crazy larry every night
Hmmm, O'Donnell was 24 when
Submitted by goodspkr on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 12:15pm.
Hmmm, O'Donnell was 24 when the Vietnam War ended. I keep looking to see what kind of a brother to me (a Navy serviceman) he was. I don't see anything about him being in the service.
As a vet myself, I find him speaking for me to be laughable.
Noel asks -- Exit question:
Submitted by Jack Bauer on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 12:35pm.
Noel asks --
Exit question: Can you imagine O'Donnell or anyone on MSNBC so disrespectfully treating a Democratic presidential candidate?
Here's a typical example of a type of "hard-hitting" questions asked of Barack Obama by NBC's Brian Williams. Note the date -- almost exactly the same time into the last campaign as today.
updated 9/17/2007 6:58:03 PM ET
BRIAN WILLIAMS: What was your message at Wall Street today?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Is Gordon Gecko dead or alive, Michael Douglas' famous character in Wall Street who said "Greed is good"
BRIAN WILLIAMS: I asked this at the last democratic debate. Are-- are hedge funds good or bad for America? Is it right for these hedge funds making billions and billions of dollars along with the hedge fund managers?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Who or what do you think is to blame for this current mortgage and credit crisis? Who do we see about that?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Let's talk about the campaign which I understand you've been spending some of your free time doing. To-- what's the surprise? What is it, seven months into it?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Yeah.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Well, about this front load in calendar, how-- how great a concern do you have that just at the time when a lot of Americans will be dialing in, a lot of states will have already made the decisions leading up to who the nominees of the party are.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: How do you think it is that so many polls show Senator Clinton as the agent of change?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: What does it say about your effort to-- to shine a bright light on Sen-- Senator Clinton? Things like her war vote?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: The MoveOn ad, General Betray-Us? Do you think it's counter productive?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: The fact that it was Senator Warner who in the parlance of Washington politics drew blood at that hearing is one of the points made by an op-ed piece--the piece in sum says that Democrats have no game on this. That the Republicans continue to set the agenda. That must be a source of enormous frustration to you and your party.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: To politics, the contributions by this Mr. Hsu. Is this a case of, as your campaign look at it, but for the grace of God go I? Or do you think certain campaigns attract certain contributors?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: How do you and Senator Clinton get along?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: You have a day job in the US Senate. You're traveling all over the country. It's one of the most grueling experiences any adult can undertake. You wake up every morning and in a lot of polls, you're second. You miss your wife. You miss your two daughters. What's the frustration level? Compared to where you might have thought it would-- would be right now?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Yeah. The first time I met you, I couldn't help but hear what you were saying through the prism of a fellow married father of two.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Everyone has their own defense mechanism. But it-- it hurts to miss the little events of life.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: And no regrets today? When you got in it, you thought that by now, on a beautiful day in New York in September, you might be a little further down the line.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: And final question. We-- we went through the business of embracing the enemies. The dust off with Senator Clinton. I don't imagine that will be the last. Do you feel calluses on your hands that you didn't have when you got into this race?
www.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2008/05/08/4437343-brian-williams-interviews-obama
All of the above Mr Obama? --- How about ALL OF THE BELOW, instead.
Wanna bet that Larry the
Submitted by Jack Bauer on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 12:46pm.
Wanna bet that Larry the Unstable Guy SUPPORTED Ho Chi Mihn and the Vietcong?
All of the above Mr Obama? --- How about ALL OF THE BELOW, instead.
Herman Cain, Has excellent people skills he be a great president
Submitted by upcountrywater on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 12:43pm.
One of the most excellent exchanges of a Conservative controlling the conversation.
Cain is a champion when it comes to dealing with artholes. The practice he's had dealing with all them college educated lefties in those food corporations, he's well versed in basic principles of Freedom, and is ready for the responsibility, of LEADING AMERICA.
Hay Lawrence go after Herman's religion why don't cha.... Cain is an associate minister at Antioch Baptist Church North in Atlanta..,let see who was another famous black guy that had some church activity in Atlanta?...... Hummmm MLK! I'm sure all the media lefties, will avoid that association like the plague.
I wonder if Steve Forbes, had some input into the 9 9 9 plan?
Dream ticket Cain Perry
You Didn't Build That.
O'Donnell is way over his
Submitted by jkwtrading on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 12:53pm.
O'Donnell is way over his head describing the mood which prevailed in the Vietnam era. He shows anyone of that era he does not know what he is talking about.
O'Donnell is a racist commie puke
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 1:11pm.
And if I had been Herman Cain in that interview, I would have told him to his face to go fork himself.
Only I wouldn't have used the word fork.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
O donnell is a coward, I saw
Submitted by LAM SON 719 on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 1:19pm.
O donnell is a coward, I saw hundred like him when I came back from Vietnam, he is nothing but sub human garbage and isn't worth the dogshit on the bottom of a real man's jumpboots.
Cain is the man!
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 1:23pm.
Rarely does a GOP politician give it back to the dimwits, Cain did. He's the one. He's the one who will FIGHT BACK when attacked by stupid and denigrating questions. If Republicans have any sense at all he will be our candidate.
That being, said, not so sure he'll be the candidate.
Fair Game
Submitted by HardRightTurn on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 1:32pm.
In all fairness, Obama must be asked the same questions. However, even if they do ask, The Great Prevaricator will wiggle out of a direct answer.
To more fully comprehend the Left, one must read “Leftism As Psychopathy” by John Ray, M.A., Ph.D. Caution, it might scare you a little bit.
http://jonjayray.tripod.com/psycho.html
Remember ... BO was a
Submitted by Bodini on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 2:28pm.
Community Organizer! I'm certain they practiced militarily often.
I can see it now: instead of "Company ... atten-hut ... forward ... march," the lefties say "Misfits ... sit-down ... whine ... protest."
That said, Herman has financial acumen whereas BO is CLUELESS!
LOL. The little twerp gets caught.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 1:44pm.
I hope Cain blasts him on this. Of course, it was legal and many did take the college deferment, but it takes a REAL lowlife to accuse others of draft dodging 40 years later.
One thing I know for sure: if his deferment had been rescinded for whatever reason, Dear Lawrence would be a Canadian citizen now, count on it.
SoL -- I have a feeling there
Submitted by Jack Bauer on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 1:47pm.
SoL -- I have a feeling there are photo's out there showing Larry the Unstable Guy at college attacking the "war" and praising the commies.
All of the above Mr Obama? --- How about ALL OF THE BELOW, instead.
Jack:
Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 2:00pm.
You're not going to believe this, but Lawrence achieved a measure of notoriety as The Pansy Boy around campus.
Ha ha. Careful, that pansy is
Submitted by Jack Bauer on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 3:40pm.
Ha ha. Careful, that pansy is fully loaded.
All of the above Mr Obama? --- How about ALL OF THE BELOW, instead.
There is no
Submitted by Bob K on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 1:45pm.
point too low that the clown will not sink to. It could be worse however....he could be on a network that people actually watch.
Gonna be a cold day in Hades
Submitted by sherlock1 on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 1:45pm.
before I ever watch MSNBC again. Say, just offhand, is there a site that tracks the major advertisers of the MSM networks? Just wondering... I mean with my household cutting back on our spending, I want to make sure I cut in the right places. Or should I say the "left" places!
An elite member of the Marxist Media
Submitted by Bodini on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 2:10pm.
dares to challenge Herman on why he didn't serve? This explains the MSNBC DIP$HIT's outrage that Herman only served the Navy ... not served in the Navy. Taken from Wikipedia:
Politics
O'Donnell calls himself a "practical European socialist" in a Newsmaker Interview dated November 11, 2005.[22] On November 6, 2010, O'Donnell re-declared himself a socialist on the Morning Joe show. The MSNBC host stated, "[U]nlike you, I am not a progressive. I am not a liberal who is so afraid of the word that I had to change my name to progressive. Liberals amuse me. I am a socialist. I live to the extreme left, the extreme left of you mere liberals." [23] On the 1 August 2011 episode of The Last Word, O'Donnell further explained, "I have been calling myself a socialist ever since I first read the definition of socialism in the first economics class I took in college."
OUTRAGE from an avowed SOCIALIST who reaps the benefits of our Republic, but he himself never felt compelled to serve even though he is one year older than me ... and I managed to squeeze in 27-years of Navy service starting in 1971 (Vietnam era). I wouldn't piss on Larry O if he was on fire!
alot of honorable draft dodgers the GOP fans can back
Submitted by lrgon on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 2:43pm.
Dick Cheney asked for FIVE DEFERMENTS during the same war Cain was safely at home at a Navy desk job doing whatever. In the meantime our real heroes, the US Navy pilots, were being shot out of their phantoms by soviet made SAMs. All the while the Nixon GOPers were busy expanding trade with the same country that was shipping the VC and the North Vietnamese Army the Surface to Air Missles to shoot down US pilots.
Another GOP presidentail contestant : Leroy Gingrich as far as I could determine never served in the military although he liked reading about war battles.
So I asked Ask for a list of those who did not serve:http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html
This does not mean I am putting Newt and the rest of the GOP war hawks down for not serving. It was after all legal to ask for and get a deferment to go to school instead of being drafted. It was normal to get a bad physical grade and be exempted from an active duty role.
I only want to point out that some who like war and vote for it and support it aren't out on the battle fields putting their money where their mouth is.
Lawrence O'Donnell's mouth is full.
Submitted by kata on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 2:48pm.
He has decided to put both feet in, and stir.
Clinton, Obama, Biden - ALL OUT?
Submitted by Tomorama on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 2:58pm.
So only people that wore the uniform can speak of it?
I served proudly so I will be real simple - YOU SHUT UP.
Really Sparky, WHO LIKES WAR, REALLY?
I notice NO mention of any lefties in your sorry little diatribe and I won't even bother pointing them out.
Basically because serving doesn't give anyone the yes or no ability a-hole, it is about HOPEFULLY what they think is right or wrong.
I didn't give a rats ass if Obambi served or not, I KNEW he was going to all around horrible.
I feel so low that I stooped to this level.
Good evening Irgon
Submitted by cocodrie on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 3:01pm.
No matter what you use and twist you can't redeem the despicable John Kerry who left his men during a war to lie about them under oath to congress.
We have no way of knowing how you served. I suspect that you didn't. Then again maybe you served in Chicago burning police stations.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Newt didn't serve
Submitted by lrgon on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 5:19pm.
The great lover of war and torture Dick Cheney didn't serve. He went to Begging to
Defermentville to avoid being sent to Nam.
Big mouths all of them. But like the old westernmovie cowboy used to say:" Big mouth don't make a big man."
Ya' all's irrelevant rebuts won't won't erase the fact that those big mouth GOP gods that ya'll revere, you know the ones that never served one day in the Army,Navy or Airforce; the ones that staid in the rear echelons safely tucked away behind a desk way from those SAM rockets.
Like I said in my previous post that the GOP leadership under Nixon (I didn't mention the Dems but they too voted for these pro-communist foreign aid policies) that kept the trade going with the commie "soviet bloc" countries that supplied the VC and the North Vietnamese regulars with the supplies to kill our men in the field. You won't address that fact because you are ignorant of this history or simply are more content in your little girl world to throw your support to some guy just because he has Republican Party at the end of his name and plays the maverick role pretty good. Haven't you had your fill of phony mavericks with cain in their name?
This lecture coming straight
Submitted by Free Stinker on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 5:41pm.
This lecture coming straight from the guy that thinks the USA declared war on Nazi Germany first.
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
World War II Timeline
Submitted by lrgon on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 7:05pm.
Japan attacked the USA at Pearl Harbor on December 7th ,1941. FDR went to congress to ask for an official declaration of war and he got it on December 8th, 1941.
The timeline of developments after December 8th the day we (US congress) declared war on Japan is documented here >>>
FDR Day of Infamy Speech: :http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/infamy.htm
WWII Timeline:
July 26, 1941 - Roosevelt freezes Japanese assets in United States and suspends relations.
August 1, 1941 - United States announces an oil embargo against aggressor states.
August 14, 1941 - Roosevelt and Churchill announce the Atlantic Charter.
December 7, 1941 - Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor; Hitler issues the Night and Fog decree.
December 8, 1941 - United States and Britain declare war on Japan.
December 11, 1941 - Hitler declares war on the United States.
Japan's ally, Germany, Declares war on the USA source page: http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/germany-declares.htm
Timeline Irgon
Submitted by cocodrie on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 8:01pm.
Your complaints about Vietnam can be laid on the head of one of your fearless leaders - Looney bird Johnson. If you want more include Robert Strange McNamara.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
How does criticism of the way the war was conducted
Submitted by lrgon on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:08pm.
translate into supporting liberal "no-win" polices, or for the very liberals like Robert McNamara, that made the war impossible for the US to win? Did Nixon win the war? No he left with his tail betweenhis legs. You left out the betrayal by Nixon and Kissinger of the men who were left behind.
Your partisan idolizing has blinded you to the truth. Like Col.Nathan Jessup told Lt. Kaffee: "You can't handle the truth!"
So you're retracting your
Submitted by Free Stinker on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 8:10pm.
So you're retracting your previous statement that the USA declared war on Nazi Germany first?
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
So you're retracting your
Submitted by Free Stinker on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 8:11pm.
So you're retracting your previous statement that the USA declared war on Nazi Germany first?
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
So, ellergon, --- after trashing Cheney for---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 8:47pm.
obtaining deferments, did you, or did you not, serve in the military?
MD
There were thousands of men....
Submitted by drsamherman on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 9:10pm.
...who were of draft age but were never called. I hit draft age right at the last round, but my number never came up and I went off to school. That happened to a lot of people, Irgon. The law governing selective service very clearly left the decisions of eligibility to the local draft boards and to the Defense Department in managing that function.
Herman Cain was doing vital defense work for the Navy in ballistics research. It was his DRAFT BOARD that classified him under the rules at the time as an essential civilian employee. He served his country, and he did not have to join the military to be part of a vital effort. If the government did not think his work was important, they would have re-classified him and he would have been open to the draft.
Are you next going to say that all of the men and women in World War II who were not drafted (men) or enlisted (men & women) and were placed into critical defense support occupations as the government classified them were wrong? That would be completely wrong, as many would liked to have served but either did not meet the standards or the government classified them as being in crucial civilian positions.
There are a lot of ways of serving your country. Those who are in uniform put their lives on the line and appropriately should receive accolades for the sacrifices they may have to make. Herman Cain worked directly for the Defense Department in an area the government deemed important. What is so hard to understand about that? Not everybody enlisted. So what? Larry O'Donnell obtained multiple deferments but never served in any capacity in the Defense Department, so his contribution to the Vietnam effort was non-existent.
You cant argue with the ignorant,
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 9:28pm.
And accomplish anything
Cheney trashes himself
Submitted by lrgon on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:12pm.
and guys like you feel obligated to support a person who supports war but he himself seeks the easy way out through a chapter full of deferments.
Irgon...Speaking of Dodging
Submitted by sentry_99 on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:19pm.
Answer the question that's been asked several times. DID.YOU.SERVE?
Stop deflecting. Did you serve?
Submitted by drsamherman on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 12:07am.
DID YOU?
Everyone enjoying the conspirocrank loon?
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 12:14am.
I would say something about loons chasing their own fart bubbles and add a superflous jab about ass feathers but it is really pointless now. Everyone is seeing the true nature of this troll.
Guess I'll get jumped on as some sort of Irgon ally, but
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 3:03am.
really, what the heck difference does it make whether he served or not? As far as I know, he's not running for President or some other public office which would be of debatable relevance anyway.
Jer
I'll start the dog pile Jer
Submitted by sentry_99 on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 4:36am.
What the heck difference does it make? ASK HIM. He seems to think it makes a HUGE difference. So any further questions relating to the debatable relevance of military service should be directed to him.
IMO, it would just show him to be on the same level as Crazy Larry on the hypocrisy meter.
Please if you are going to refer to Jesus
Submitted by lrgon on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 9:25pm.
remember to keep His commandments not to swear false witness on those whom you don't know. Love your neighbor said our most precious and living God. turn to him in this hour of darkness and seek His help to correct this fatal illness of yours: GOPitis and personality cultism disorder and the inabilty to recognize what most tea party folks have been complaining about since 2008: the RINO syndrome. They've caught on. So get with the program there neighbor.
We sir, at this website ... are simply pointing out
Submitted by Bodini on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 3:16pm.
the blatant hypocrisy of the MARXIST MEDIA ... which you apparently support wholeheartedly!
I, as an old "Boomer" sailor during and after the Vietnam era, believe that we benefitted from Mr. Cain's work, which likely supported programming for our strategic target packages. His efforts might have contributed directly to our very successful mission of strategic deterrence against the Soviet Union and helped avoid a nuclear war!
No Bodini, you are mistaken
Submitted by lrgon on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:33pm.
"the blatant hypocrisy of the MARXIST MEDIA" is how you Bodini decribe the US media.
Ok, little quarrel with that analysis. It's basically accurate but what does that have to do with guys like Cheney, Gingrich, and other GOP members of congress that are so pro-war that asked and received deferments from the draft?
I have no great admiration for Kerry but McCain could have opened up investigations into our POWs left in VN but he folded like a lawn chair.
Back to the "MARXIST MEDIA"
Was your acessment of US media based upon reading this statement by Soviet Prime Minister Vyacheslav Molotov that outlined this strategy of infiltrating the non communist press?
"What is our object? Who do we have to influence? We have to influence non-Communists if we want to make them Communists or if we want to fool them. So, we have to try to infiltrate in the big press." ---Molotov
Was the USSR successsful? The most influential U.S. writers fulfilling this were probably Edgar Snow, author of the pro-communist book Red Star Over China, and Owen Lattimore, author of Thunder Out of China, a Book-of-the-Month selection that attacked Chiang Kai-shek. Writing in the Saturday Review, Snow audaciously told readers, “There has never been any communism in China.” And he reported in the Saturday Evening Post that Chu Teh, Mao’s military commander, possessed the “kindliness of Robert E. Lee, the tenacity of Grant and the humility of Lincoln.”
These lies cashiered by News outlets like the NYT was insrumental in toppling the pro-American Chinese.
A simple test of your liberal quotient. Which side would you pick or would have picked when these choices were current:
_____The New York Times' side that editorialized that Fidel Castro was anti-communist and a very trustworthy individual. Or...
____ The minority voices that said he was a communist and could not be trusted.
____The New York Times, OSS chief, General Joe Donovan that told us Mao was just an agrarian reformer and he could be trusted.Or...
or
____ General Patrick Hurley, General Wedemeyer and John T. Flynn who wrote While You Slept
Which retread troll is this?
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 12:18am.
Who was the conspirocrank that loved to tell us over and over what books he had in his library where his library was actually nothing but footnotes on wikipedia pages?
You go conspirocrank loon. Keep on crankin' out the prattle no one reads or cares about.
Well, now the loonster is into telling---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 12:38am.
Christians how to live properly, conservatives why they happen to be liberal, and pontificating once again about history.
Were ellergon not so predictable, the entertainment factor relating to a paulbot's posts would be higher.
MD
Your point is irrelevent, irgon
Submitted by Galvanic on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 4:15pm.
The issue is O'Donnell's totally baseless charge that Cain dodged the draft, and didn't volunteer to serve, and thus is not qualified to be the Commander in Chief.
College deferments for Cheney and Gingrich have absolutely nothing to do with Herman Cain.
The fact is that O'Donnell engaged in a McCarthy-ite tactic to stick lies on a black Republican Presidential candidate, and one can reasonably ask the question, "Why?"
Additionally, the very idea that a guy who has never served in the armed forces himself takes it upon himself to be "offended on behalf of Vietnam veterans" elevates it a level of outrage that defies explanation.
but your intimation that Mr.Cain behind a desk
Submitted by lrgon on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:43pm.
is somehow equivalent to those who did serve in Nam?
http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html
Ask dot com:
Rick Noriega, Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate from Texas -- joined the U.S. Army in 1979; currently Lt. Colonel in Texas Army National Guard, served in Afghanistan. (1)
Senator Jim Webb (D-VA) -- rifle platoon and company commander with the Fifth Marine Regiment in the An Hoa Basin west of Danang; was awarded the Navy Cross, the Silver Star Medal, two Bronze Star Medals, and two Purple Hearts. (1)
Representative Tim Walz, D-MN - Twenty-four years of service in the Army National Guard, retiring in 2005.
Representative Joe Sestak, D-PA - 31 years of service in the Navy, rising to the rank of Vice Admiral.
Representative Chris Carney, D-PA - Lieutenant Commander in the United States Naval Reserve, Carney served multiple tours overseas and was activated for Operation Enduring Freedom, Noble Eagle, and Southern Watch.
Representative Patrick Murphy, D-PA - extensive career in the U.S. Army from 1993-2004; earned Bronze Star and Presidential Unit Citation.
Representative Phil Hare, D-IL - Served in the United States Army Reserve for six years.
Representative Jack Murtha (D-PA) - distinguished 37-year career in the U.S. Marine Corps, Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts, retired from the Marine Corps Reserve as a colonel in 1990. (1)
Former House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt - Missouri Air National Guard, 1965-71. (1, 2)
Representative David Bonior - Staff Sgt., United States Air Force 1968-72 (1, 2)
Former Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle - 1st Lt., U.S. Air Force SAC 1969-72 (1, 2)
Former Vice President Al Gore - enlisted August 1969; sent to Vietnam January 1971 as an army journalist, assigned to the 20th Engineer Brigade headquartered at Bien Hoa, an airbase twenty miles northeast of Saigon. More facts about Gore's Service
Former Senator Bob Kerrey... Democrat... Lt. j.g., U.S. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam (1, 2)
Senator Daniel Inouye, US Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, World War Two (1, 2)
Senator John Kerry, Lt., U.S. Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat (1)
Representative Charles Rangel, Staff Sgt., U.S. Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea (1, 2)
Former Senator Max Cleland, Captain, U.S. Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam (1, 2)
Senator Chris Dodd (D-CT) - U.S. Army Reserve, 1968-1975.
Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) - U.S. Army, 1951-1953. (1)
Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) - Lt., U.S. Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74. (1, 2)
Senator Jack Reed (D-RI) - U.S. Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91 (1)
Former Senator Fritz Hollings (D-SC) - served as a U.S. Army officer in World War II, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons. (1)
Representative Leonard Boswell (D-IA) - Lt. Col., U.S. Army 1956-76; two tours in Vietnam, two Distinguished Flying Crosses as a helicopter pilot, two Bronze Stars, and the Soldier's Medal. (1, 2)
Former Representative "Pete" Peterson, Air Force Captain, POW, Ambassador to Viet Nam, and recipient of the Purple Heart, the Silver Star and the Legion of Merit. (1, 2)
Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA: Staff sergeant/platoon leader with the 173rd Airborne Brigade, U.S. Army; was wounded and received a Purple Heart. (1, 2)
Bill McBride, Democratic Candidate for Florida Governor - volunteered and served as a U.S. Marine in Vietnam; awarded Bronze Star with a combat "V." (1)
Gray Davis, former California Governor, Army Captain in Vietnam; received Bronze Star. (1)
Pete Stark, D-CA, served in the Air Force 1955-57
Wesley Clark, Democratic Presidential Candidate - 38-year career of public service in the Army, culminating as Supreme Allied Commander of NATO.
Prominent Republicans
Representative Patrick McHenry, R-NC - did not serve. Saw fit to endanger American troops' lives after a visit to Iraq by violating operational security and helping militias target their mortar attacks on the Green Zone.
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-KY - did not serve (1)
Senate Assistant Minority Leader Trent Lott, R-MI - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Senate Republican Conference Chairman Jon Kyl, R-AZ - did not serve.
Senate Republican Conference Vice Chair John Cornyn, R-TX - did not serve.
National Republican Senatorial Committee Chair John Ensign, R-NV - did not serve.
House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-OH - did not serve.
House Minority Whip Roy Blunt, R-MO - did not serve.
House Republican Conerence Chair Adam Putnam, R-FL - did not serve.
House Republican Policy Committee Thaddeus McCotter, R-MI - did not serve.
National Republican Congressional Committee Chair Tom Cole, R-OK - did not serve.
Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani - did not serve.
Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney - did not serve in the military but did serve the Mormon Church on a 30-month mission to France.
Former Senator Fred Thompson - did not serve.
Senator John McCain - McCain's naval honors include the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. Why did the Bush campaign smear him so in 2000? At least Senators Cleland (D-GA), Kerry (D-MA), Kerrey (D-NE), Robb (D-VA) and Hagel (R-NE) defended him.
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Former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve (1). "So many minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like himself."
Former House Majority Whip Roy Blunt - did not serve
Former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist - did not serve. (An impressive medical resume, but not such a friend to cats in Boston.)
Rick Santorum, R-PA, formerly third ranking Republican in the Senate - did not serve. (1)
George Felix Allen, former Republican Senator from Virginia - a supporter of Nixon and the Vietnam war, did not serve. (1)
so did you serve or not?
Submitted by kata on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:46pm.
.
Irgon
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:57pm.
OMG you're putting Mertha on a pedestal because he served? I've got news for you, service in the military does NOT give anyone immunity for the rest of their behavior when they return.
You might want to check what you're copy and pasting since the comment about stopping Bush's all out assault on the environment is outdated.
You are reading way to much into the list
Submitted by lrgon on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:18pm.
The list is from ask.com. Their list says nothing about placing anyone above anyone else. It is basically a list of those who served and those who did not.
You don't seem to get it: Cheney and Newt and all the other war lovers skipped out on their chance to see war up close. That should be simple enough but apparently you are having trouble with a simple fact that when push comes to shove the war hawks are willing to start wars but they aren't willing to put their necks on the line.
Did you serve Irgon?
Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 12:40am.
For someone who seems to have a ton of animosity toward those who haven't. Do you know the term hypocrisy?
oh dear
Submitted by kata on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 12:43am.
you seem to have a bit of rhetoric stuck there stuck between your canine and incisor. Here wait, lemme grab some floss.
Regardless, ellergon,---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 1:32am.
of who put the list together and why (though the 'awolbush.com' is a hint); the way you laid it out in order to extol Democrats and lambaste Republicans; and the way you continually put down conservatives, makes it seem all the more likely you are a liberal plant on these threads.
If not, then the fact you are such a paulbot is proof enough that the lights are on, and nobody's home.
Which would explain the following exchange -
Answer: "No, I was classified as Section 8."
Question: "ellergon, did you spend any time as a member of any branch of the U.S. military?"
MD
What makes you so sure that
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:13pm.
What makes you so sure that Herman Cain's work for the Dept. of the Navy didn't ultimately end up killing a large number of the enemy's soldiers and thus perhaps even saved more American lives than everyone on "your" list combined.
Not everyone who provided valuable wartime service to this nation actually wore a uniform.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Did or did not Cheney ask for and received 5 deferments?
Submitted by lrgon on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:23pm.
Did or did not Newt the pro-war candidate skip the draft?
http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html
Again
Submitted by sentry_99 on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:30pm.
Did you serve?
So what?
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:41pm.
He is a Patriot, and has proved it over and over again. How about you? Have you served America? Cheney has 40 years of service to this Nation to fall back on, what you got?
I believe Noel's article is about comrade O'Donnell....
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:56pm.
...accusing Herman Cain of being a draft dodger, which he clearly isn't.
For some strange reason, you keep wanting to drag Dick Cheney into all this, who has over four decades of service to this country, probably has bigger balls than than you can even fathom, and is nearing the end of his life.
And your accusing him of "torture" pretty much leads me to believe that you are an idiot of the first order.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Don't bother, Dave.
Submitted by drsamherman on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 12:11am.
Irgon can't answer any question. He reeks of another troll who pointed to lists, articles and information produced by left wing websites with a fervor normally reserved for martyrs of the faith (pick your religious persuasion).
Apparently three word questions like "Did you serve" require him to launch into more diatribe. Remind you of other trolls to this website?
Doc Sam,
Submitted by Dave. on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 12:26am.
Yeah, I know.
It's just that sometimes I cannot refrain from poking the hairy little boogers with a stick. :-)
LOL - I guess you could call it a personality disorder.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Yes, Dave,---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 1:14am.
being a troll IS a personality disorder.
"Hairy little booger" is a colorful way of describing someone with a personality disorder who just happens to live under a bridge.
Being poked with sticks is one of the job perks they sign up for. (The sharper the stick, the better)
Kinky little bastards. :o)
MD
md,
Submitted by Dave. on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 1:32am.
ROFL.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Hee hee MD
Submitted by Denny Crane on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 4:32am.
The sharper the stick....
Did you just say that so I could show off my troll bat?
We Are The 53%
Absolutely, Denny ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 6:16am.
that is some awesome cutlery.
MD
Credit Where Credit is Due
Submitted by IrateNate on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 5:30pm.
Before we start listing who served and who didn't, can we give a hearty salute to the Democratic Party for putting us in Vietnam in the first place?
Thanks, LBJ!! Sal-ute!!
And, for the record, we're still pissed about that whole "Great Society" horse shit.
James Thomas Davis may disagree...
Submitted by USMC8411 on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 9:03pm.
He was the first American to die in Vietnam on 22 December, 1961. Eisenhower was President, and John Kennedy was President-elect. Americans (Green Berets) had been "advising" in Vietnam since 1957.
Kennedy wanted the war, was assassinated, and LBJ (*SPIT*) carried the torch, by escalating the "police action!" History gives Kennedy a pass for involving the US in Vietnam while it forgets that Nixon ended it after a liberal journalist declared the war "unwinnable." That would be the father of liberal/progressive/democrat spinners, Walter (*SPIT*) Cronkite.
10 Years later and 57,939 casualties later, we withdrew, after NEVER having lost a major battle.
Compare those numbers to the 10 years in Iraq and Afghanistan. Imagine what we could do if the handcuffs were removed.... We do not lose battles today either and we are still constrained by useless ROE's.
I'm with you IrateNate, but the truth must be in context.
I think it's time Irgon was Irgone
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:39pm.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
I don't blame
Submitted by lrgon on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:30pm.
too exhausted are you?
So......
Submitted by sentry_99 on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:34pm.
did you serve?
Exhausted with your deliberate trashing of a great American
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:43pm.
...that has probably done more for this country than you and ten busloads just like you could or would do in 500 years.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
The difference between Conseratives and dimwits
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:53pm.
Is someone would had called Imoron a racist by now. BTW Imoron, did you serve?
I have to jump on this as well.
Submitted by Prisondog1776 on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 2:18am.
Did you serve? Three simple words. Bravo 1-152 here from 1993-2000 , 11Bravo. You were asked a simple question and you deflect it every time, why so?
When Cain responds to gotcha questions
Submitted by Chaitealover on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 2:53pm.
with intelligent answers like this, I find myself leaning more and more towards him as my candidate. And I suspect a lot of other people are responding the same way, now that the MSM can't ignore him anymore. The fact that he stood up to the interviewer, instead of just quietly disagreeing and continuing to answer the same question over & over until the clown was satisfied that he had hurt the candidate's reputation, shows he has what it takes to stand up for MY country.
Chai
Wow! Now O'Donnell's
Submitted by Beukeboom on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 2:54pm.
Wow! Now O'Donnell's hypocrisy is revealed. Amazing.
BTW O'Donnell, Ireland called...they want their "O'" back.
Well it's clear to me Larry
Submitted by TCinAZ on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 4:34pm.
Well it's clear to me Larry O' still has an uncontrollable man-crush on John Kerry and that His military service matters more to Larry than that of Mr. Cain, because He's on the wrong side of the aisle, which might also explain why the O' man's posture and tone changed when he raised issue of Vietnam. as I thought that Larry was also going to start calling Mr. Cain a "Liar! x LIAR! x .... " like he did Vietnam Swift Boat Vet John O’Neill, and like the unhinged circus freak that he is!
Loudmouth Larry O - hypocrite
Submitted by Phryj1 on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 4:37pm.
Is he saying that non-combat service to the military doesn't count? And considering Loud Larry didn't serve AT ALL, he has no room to talk.
L O'D is a POS.
Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.
Hillary wanted to be a Marine...
Submitted by USMC8411 on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 4:46pm.
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/hillary_clinton_tried_to_join_the_army_...
Maybe that experience led to her successful dodging of sniper fire...
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/03/hillarys_balkan_adve...
Those damn glasses and those harsh words just kept her away from patriotic service in uniform....
John Kerry who joined ense to
Submitted by Injest on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 4:58pm.
John Kerry who joined ense to me this is a load of crap
John Kerry who joined after his deferments were turned down due to poor grades in school.
BTW why didn't Obama serve? He's the same age as me and I served why did Obama NEVER vol enter for service
Lest we forget, during the
Submitted by jdhawk on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 5:12pm.
Lest we forget, during the Bush years, the meme was that it was only the underclass that had to enlist because they had no other choice. So, poor them that they had to do it. Bush was responsible for sending our poor to their deaths, blah, blah, blah.
Now, the left is offended that Cain supposedly avoided the draft. Which is, of course, untrue.
There is just no stopping the socialists from besmearching anyone in their way to getting, keeping, and holding onto political power.
Cain was magnificiant to turn the conversation back to what he wanted to talk about. That is one of the characteristics that MUST be inculcated into every conservative that gets in front of a leftists like this draft dodging buffon.
Cain
Submitted by GregE on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 5:14pm.
Cain handled himself well. Yes, he could have slammed with calmness had he known some things about Lawrence, but he answered everything in full that was necessary to answer, and short when necessary to make a single point and move on. Good job, in a very hostile environment.
Herman Cain was a draft dodger....
Submitted by jdripper on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 5:21pm.
That he was, however, Lawrence O;Donnell, was born in 1951 he was plenty old enough to go and fight. Oops he had a II-S deferment. He did not wish to fight.
Bill Clinton, nope he chose to run.
Chris Matthews nada
Jay Rockefeller nope
Harry Reid nope
As someone who volunteered for the Army and then for Vietnam I find Mr. O'Donnell to be a scumbag of the lowest type.
Jack
??
Submitted by Chaitealover on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 6:51pm.
Cain says he went to the draft board and was told they preferred he keep working for the Navy, doing what he was doing. Then, when they had the lottery, he made himself available, but wasn't called. How is that dodging the draft?
Chai
Because that is not how it worked back then....
Submitted by jdripper on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 8:03pm.
My draft number was very high I would never have been called up. When they went with the lottery all of that went to the side. For him to have gotten that specific deferment he would have had to petition his draft board.to give it to him. They would not have behaved in the manner that he describes.
The thing is both of my brothers had deferments. I have great friends that have deferments. I have no problem or issue that he got one.
I despise that toad who never went suddenly taking it upon himself to sound like the voice of judgment on this. He is an a**h**e. Pardon the French.
Jack
The negatives mount...
Submitted by USMC8411 on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 8:23pm.
Cain evaded the draft. Democrat evasion good. Republican evasion bad. Cain's family avoided the opportunity to be killed by SOUTHERN DEMOCRAT racists by staying out of the civil rights demonstrations and focusing on education, which obviously makes him a "phony black." Bad. The democrats supported segregation and were against the civil rights act, yet no white, southern democrat is EVER asked about his high school/college participation in that. Good.
I'd like to see the democrats ban their own nominees who have ever gotten deferments from service, you know, to set the bar. When that happens, they can attack the opponent. Until then, they can shut up.
Jack, you misunderstand what he said.
Submitted by Denny Crane on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 1:36am.
It was my local board in Atlanta, Georgia, that told me, we would rather for you to continue to do that analytical work to help the Navy rather than us drafting you. Secondly, when they had the lottery, I made myself available. The year that they had the lottery for the draft they did not draft me because they didn't get to my number. So I think that's a poor choice of words on your part, to say that I avoided the Vietnam War. I made myself available to my country, and they did not draft me.
It sounds like he was saying that the draft board said that before they instituted the lottery. He didn't say that he was called and then he petitioned them.
We Are The 53%
Thanks for your service, Jack...but you don't really wish
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 8:31pm.
to get into a comparison of the notable Democratic and Republican politicians who served or didn't serve in Vietnam, do you?
Jer
Why not,
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 8:38pm.
? Go ahead and tell us the feats of the Leftist in war.
Boudin, I believe I addressed the question
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 8:45pm.
to Jack.
Jer
However, I will take this opportunity to state that O'Donnell's grilling of Cain was contemptible.
Really, well the whole board is
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 8:45pm.
Intercepting your PM's to Jack
Jer
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 8:53pm.
Thanks for that. We need to ask candidates difficult questions, about where they stand on issues and what their policies will be. I believe Herman Cain is more than willing to answer those questions. O'Donnell was looking for the sound byte, which won't help us elect a qualified leader.
Jer dont care,
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:46pm.
As long as he can make the Repubs sound AS bad as the dimwits, his job is done.
I am not, one of those who thinks Jer is a solid dealer, because he aint!
Very classy, Boudin...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:51pm.
Jer
Your bent?
Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 12:01am.
Now I am supposed to feel bad now?
Good freakin grief
Maybe your efforts would be better spent
Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 12:10am.
With the rest of your "party"
You are aware that Herman Cain's educational background is...
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:46pm.
...mathematics (BA) and computer science (MS), aren't you?
Just perhaps the Navy thought his work in ballistics for the Dept. of the Navy (which involved firing control systems for both ships and aircraft) was a little more valuable to this country than packing him off to some obscure ship.
As such, I believe your accusation that Herman Cain was a draft dodger to be not a little out of line.
Furthermore, it is just possible that some of your fellow soldiers, as well as some members of my family who were also involved in that war, might just owe their lives to the work he did.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Dave: Those were points I
Submitted by stratman on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:24pm.
Dave:
Those were points I was going to make as well. Cain served his country where his country saw him best suited to serve.
Should those civilians who worked for the DOD in WWII developing the atomic bomb but never enlisted or wore the uniform be derided as less in importance to the nation in a time of war? My neighbor who fought on every bloody craphole Japanese island and awaited the invasion of Japan will disagree.
strat,
Submitted by Dave. on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 12:44am.
I had more than a few relatives that were also preparing for the invasion of the Japanese home islands - which most everyone agreed was going to be a bloody mess and take years to complete.
My dad, who served as a Marine on a carrier in the Korean conflict for the duration, might well have been involved, as he only missed WWII by a couple of months.
We owe a lot to the people who did much for this country yet didn't jump into a military uniform every morning.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
The civilian question was not
Submitted by stratman on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 5:16pm.
The civilian question was not directed at you. We are on the same wavelength here. It was a rhetorical question for the idiots on the thread to ponder.
I see someone has posted their family member worked on the Manhattan Project. I'd like to buy that man a drink. He may well have saved my Marine Raider neighbor's life, as well as my three uncles, 2 on board ships ( 1 in the Merchant Marines - sunk twice, and 1 in the Navy - sunk once) and another with the Army Engineering Corp in the Pacific after helping build the Al-Can highway.
H-bombs
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 7:56pm.
I get ticked off on the anniversary's of the bombings when the Japanese act like victims who were innocently attacked. The reality, as many of us know, is that they were a country bent on fighting until the last man died, taking as many as he could. Anyone with any remorse needs to read "The Rape of Nanking" or investigate the Bataan Death March.
Sorry for the rant.
Rad
Submitted by stratman on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 9:26pm.
Just about anything the Japanese did with regards to non-Japanese during the 1930's - mid-1940's was deplorable. They treated all else as sub-human, worse if you surrendered.
And the Japanese were indoctrinated and trained to fight to the death of every last man, woman and child against an enemy they were brainwashed into believing would brutalize and murder all. The pathos of it all was that the Japanese treated outsiders in this exact same fashion, so it was easy to propagandize they would be treated the thusly by America.
I guess they really took the "live by the sword, die by the sword" thing to the hilt.
Draft Dodger
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:01pm.
I was under the impression a draft dodger was someone who was drafted but didn't show up for duty. Cain was never called up (according to what he said), or he was, but he was deferred because of the work he was doing. So I can't see how he can be called a draft dodger.
Dayem, we so need a "Like" button here at NB
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:17pm.
:-)
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Absolute Stupidity.
Submitted by Xyz22 on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 5:55pm.
I commend Herman Cain for calmly putting this piece of trash in his place. What amazes me is how 'ol Larry can even bring up the subject of not having served (in his opinion--I believed he served his country well) being acquainted with not being able to be CIC since our current POSPOTUS has not served and has never even taken the time to know anything about the military including how to pronounce certain military terms that will remain nameless because I'm too disgusted with it to ever mention corpse-man again! Oh now I've done it. Where's my Advil?
I would just love to
Submitted by Woodrowski on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 7:35pm.
Beat the HOLY LIVING CRAP OUT OF LARRY. I can't stand his smug face as he asks demeaning questions. I wish someone would walk up to him on the street and just cold cock him right in the face. Maybe a few kicks to the groin with some steel toed boots for good measure too. I know why he didn't go to NAM, he would have had to kill his fellow communists. But knowing him, he probably would have killed his fellow soldiers and joined the KONG. or just ran to their side and told them every thing he knew.
I CAN'T STAND THIS PIECE OF TRASH
Submitted by greatj on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 7:46pm.
Woodrowski,
I wish it could be me that knocks this vile , hateful piece of trash O'Donnell.All the trash at the Obama/Democratic party so called news network M.S.N .B.C.should be smashed.
This is why NB's should post e-mail addys of
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 8:32pm.
The slime media. I would love to make a click and ask the pr!ck why he dodged the war, and feels obligated to cast stones.
Actually, I just wanted to call him a dumb #!%^*$@#$%@!
Leisure-suit Larry
Submitted by Ozconservative on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 8:40pm.
Leisure-suit Larry doesn't like the fact that Mr Cain worked in ballistics, because those weapons were used to kill thousands of little commie turds just like him
It's a duel!
Submitted by telecaster on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 9:14pm.
Lawrence O'Donnell, I'm calling you out for the candy ass, liar you are.......pistols, knives or bare fists....whatever you prefer Mr. Deferment. Your smug hypocrisy can no longer be tolerated and I shall put an end to your mendacious stupidity forthwith. Oh, you demur or is it defer?
The coward wont show
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:33pm.
So play another riff, Mr Tele
You are on to something here I think
Submitted by coin of the realm on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 9:18pm.
but it cuts both ways, and is especially germane to the liberal/conservative media favoritism debate. An MSNBC liberal news host questioning a candidate for president about his military service is not a bad thing nor a liberal thing. It is a focus question mostly born of the bitter results we had the last time a commander in chief wasn't called out on this issue. Besides, it is a fair question to ask and quite irrelevant to the asker's record unless the asker is also running for president. I dont know if you remember, but the last president who avoided military service by enlisting in the air guard and , along with his VP who was a militant hawk and who got 5 deferrals and never served, started a war of aggression. One that has cost over a trillion dollars and counting. That is a lesson learned. Furthermore, if the liberal media is so powerful and biased in calling out republicans unjustly how did a sitting republican president who avoided service and didn't even finish his guard duty defeat a decorated marine in a presidential race?
Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws. Mayer Amschel Rothschild
If military service is a prerequisite
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 9:28pm.
to being president, then how does Obama qualify? That "war of agression" you speak of was actually started by the Congress.
question to the royalty*
Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 9:29pm.
Mr Realm has been a member for almost a year but only began posting in the last week. After reading a number of your posts, they all appear to be old dem talking points, many of them already refuted by the media and openly discussed by the dems themselves.
So, as usual, a lib who does not live in the real world. My question then Mr Realm..
Are you from Camelot?
Coin of the realm, are you?
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:07pm.
I'm guessing it's as worthless as the gum one would be scraping off the bottom of their shoe after having traversed this realm.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
And what decorated Marine, ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 1:23am.
might that have been that Geo. W. defeated, there, meat?
MD
Now don't get me wrong MD.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 3:43am.
I don't want you to think we did not read your post and snicker at the stupidity of a troll. Or that we did read your post and snicker at the stupidity of a troll and were waiting patiently for the troll to respond. But.....hee hee hee hee hee. Can't help it. Trolls are stupid.
Hey troll, answer the man's question.
This troll smells familiar
Submitted by Denny Crane on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 4:41am.
Too easy to counter your false premises.
An MSNBC liberal news host questioning a candidate for president about his military service is not a bad thing nor a liberal thing.
Lets say that is true, the problem is when the interviewee gives a solid truthful answer and the socialist hypocrite host then asks a B.S. question. Then when the idiot host receives another truthful solid answer they try and berate the interviewee for something they know nothing about.
O'donnell: Did you stop beating your wife?
Guest: I've never been married.
O'donnell: You've never been married? Well then tell me how you can be against gay marriage when you have never been married and haven't stopped beating your wife?
Guest: Well the gay marriage issue is a different question. I have never been married because I haven't found the right person to marry.
O'donnel: I 'am offended on behalf of all the lesbian women that have been beaten by their husbands. You should be ashamed that you haven't stopped beating wife!
We Are The 53%
Yippee. Everyone enjoy the conspirocrank loon's latest?
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 3:37am.
What did we learn from the conspirocrank loon today boys and girls?
1. Dick Cheney had five deferments for the draft. Yeah, Dick Cheney, the guy that had his first heart attack when he was four was grade A prime rump roast for military service. Yippee!
2. While Dick Cheney was deferring for the draft, in the years 1963 through 1967, President Nixon who did not become President until 1969 was trading wheat with Russia in 1971. Yippee!
3. Newt Gingrich's middle name is Leroy. Let's disrespectfully refer to him only by his middle name. Yippee!
4. Loons can talk to their ass. No wait, that ain't right. Oh, they can ask ask or ask ax or suntin. Yippee!
5. If you like war, you should put your money on Gears of War 2 for Xbox 360! Rock on Dude! Yippee! Wait. I think I got it wrong again....
6. Dick Cheney loved war. Dick Cheney loved torture. Yippee!
7. There is a shortage of verbs in Looneytown Ya' all's irrelevant rebuts won't won't erase the fact that those big mouth GOP gods that ya'll revere, you know the ones that never served one day in the Army,Navy or Airforce; the ones that staid in the rear echelons safely tucked away behind a desk way from those SAM rockets. Please boys and girls, give 'til it hurts.
8. Seriously, Richard Nixon started trading wheat with Russia in 1971 and that killed a lot of troops in the late '60's.
7. You are ignorant. Betcha din't know that huh? Yippee!
8. You live in a little girl world. Wozzers! Funtime at NewsBusters! A loon is insulting us all!
9. John McCain and Herman Cain are big fat phonies! Loons get to insult and disparage anyone they want except Ron Paul. Don't you dare talk crap about Ron Paul monkeyman!
10. Richard Nixon who signed a peace treaty with North Vietnam after practically bombing them back to the stone age and honored the peace treaty he signed THEN left with his tail between his legs. Phweet! Phweet! Gassy Loon Fart a comin'.
11. How many deferments are there in a chapter? Phweet. Only a loon knows. Yippee. Fun. Fun. Fun.
12. Jesus said the Tea Party was run over by a Rhino. Or suntin like that. You guys make sense of the Loon? If you do, email LoonTranslator@LoonCentral.com . You have a good job waiting. Not a good paying job mind you.
13. Senator John McCain blocked efforts to bring POW's from Vietnam. Too bad there has never been the tiniest shred of evidence there was a single POW left behind. Phweet. McCain sure did block getting those nonexistant POW's. Phweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet! Extra Gassy!
14. Git yer quotes from Soviet Prime Ministers! Git 'em here!
15. Edgar Snow! Owen Lattimore ! Chiang Kai-shek! Saturday Evening Post! Chu Teh! Mao! Robert E. Lee! Grant! Lincoln! Joe Donovan! Wipppow! Who can throw around more names than a Loon? No one can!
16. Pro-American Chinese! Yippee! Let's just throw that out there. Reason? We don't need reasons in Looneytown!
17. General Patrick Hurley! General Wedemeyer! John T. Flynn! Names! Names! More Names! Throwing out lots of names makes Loons sound smart!
18. Not enough names? How about 100 more!!!11!111!!~!!~!
19. Say, did I mention Dick Cheney and Newt Gingrich love war? They do! Yippee!
20. War Hawks have sticky necks. Rock on! Yippee. Loons are fun! Wait, maybe I did not get that right....
How in the world did the ellergon---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 3:56am.
loonster fail to work Arthur MacArthur's little boy Dougie's name into that love fest of names?
Dude be slippin'.
MD
I Heart the Vet
Submitted by Denny Crane on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 4:51am.
In a macho bro kinda way.
That was gut busting funny.
We Are The 53%
What a hunt!
Submitted by PJMan on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 4:42am.
Did I just misspell that? I'll have to come back later and read all the comments before this, but that F/N drooling runt, really got my goat, Mr HERMAN, your the Man!