Scarborough: There Seems to be a Rule - If You Support Obama You Can Say 'Take People Out'
MSNBC's "Morning Joe" spent a good deal of time Tuesday discussing Teamsters president James Hoffa Jr.'s disgraceful Labor Day comments about the Tea Party and his political rivals.
After playing a clip of Hoffa's remarks as well as President Obama calling for civility months ago, Scarborough pointed out, "There seems to be a rule here which is don’t say really mean things that coarsen the debate, could encourage violence, unless you’re a Democrat...If you support [Obama], you can say, 'We’re going to take people out'" (video follows with partial transcript and commentary):
JOE SCARBOROUGH: It just seems though, John Heilemann, there seems to be a rule here which is don’t say really mean things that coarsen the debate, could encourage violence, unless you’re a Democrat and then it’s okay.
JOHN HEILEMANN, NEW YORK MAGAZINE: Unless it drives up…
MIKA BRZEZINSKI: Take them out line was bad.
SCARBOROUGH: If you support me, you can say, “We’re going to take people out.”
HEILEMANN: Unless there’s a chance that it will drive up Democratic turnout in 2012, in which case, you know, we have to make an exception for that, too.
SCARBOROUGH: There’s an exception.
BRZEZINSKI: Okay, alright, but the bigger picture is jobs, right? Right?
SCARBOROUGH: Could you imagine what would have happened? We do know what happened. We had the targets, right, and that? And you talk about taking somebody out…
BRZEZINSKI: Well, that was the language I think was…
HEILEMANN: Take those sons of b---ches out. That’s, you know, hard to really justify that.
BRZEZINSKI: No, there aren’t a lot of, there, there aren’t a lot of interpretations.
No, there aren't.
Kudos to "Morning Joe" for exposing the President's hypocrisy.
Let's see how many others in the media - and on MSNBC - follow suit.
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And the WH and DNC ran from Hoffa's quote
Submitted by Galvanic on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 11:15am.
The White House declines to comment, as did Wasserman-Schultz on Fox News this morning.
I watched Hoffa and Obama yesterday, and as soon as Hoffa uttered his threat, I knew the Dems would run for cover.
Brzezinski has the standard reply when she tries to get the conversation back on jobs.
Did anyone Notice.......
Submitted by OldJarhead77 on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:00pm.
When Joe Schmo said "but we are not ALLOWED to critizize Joe Biden on this set" I guess the PMSNBC censors have laid down the law?......... Muka knew that she was toast... there is NOTHING she can say to make this better. Joe Schmo is right though just antoher example of democrap HYPOCRISY!
Mika seemed to be searching
Submitted by d1carter on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 11:17am.
Mika seemed to be searching for a way to explain Hoffa's speech, but just could not come up with anything...but then BHO didn't seem to mind either.
Notice how the left has said
Submitted by rbosque on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 11:25am.
Notice how the left has said some really weird stuff lately? They're desperate, they know they're gonna lose the election, these narsisists are having a tough time facing reality and blaming themselves-they have absolutley nothing to go on but demonizations and absurd threats and statements. These narsisists just can't get over themselves. A liberal is a jabbering 10 year old without his money and power.
Good news for us, their baloon has burst/
Let me see if I got this...
Submitted by DumbCanuck on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 11:25am.
...a UNION LEADER with the name of HOFFA says "We're at war, and we're gonna take these SOB's out", and rebubs are not supposed to take that as a threat?
Don't be alarmed... Its just a metaphore. Simply just 'colorful langauges', I suppose. After all, the issue is about jobs, isn't it?
And this on the heals of Carson's "They want to see us hanging from trees", and Sen Maxime Waters "[Tea Partiers] can go straight to hell!" comments...
My goodness, if I was a dem, I'd be running for cover myself.
"There... Are... Four... Lights!"
Hoffa Jr. still has anger issues.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 11:27am.
He can't find his daddy.
Hey, Junior. It was democrats who whacked him, dumb bass!
And we even leveled Giants Stadium... nothing.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 11:36am.
.
I'm pretty sure ...
Submitted by Newsbubba on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 11:44am.
... someone in the Jersey area had a two year supply of chum.
Yeah, jobs. That's the ticket.
Submitted by JLin on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 11:29am.
LOL. Obama and the Marxist Dems have no more idea how to "create a job" than how to build a moon rocket. They do know how to seize cash and property though, that is their speed.
Bottom line, Democrats can be hypocrites with an MSM pass...
Submitted by Red Jeep on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 11:29am.
...and thus it shalt be until this current crop of MSMers is run out of business.
Hey Mika polska. Ask your Marxist daddy how to obfuscate this.
Submitted by JLin on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 11:34am.
How anyone can support Marxian Democrats is beyond me. It is poisonous and alien to everything American. Obama should be at 5% approval by now but they have him propped up into the 40s.
There is no way this clown should even be in the same universe much less actually in the running for reelection. Our system is totally corrupted and compromised.
First the name calling, now threats
Submitted by lesterwink23 on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 11:37am.
The cowardly pondscum on the left always like to use those nice buzzwords like "violent rhetoric" and "civility" but when it comes to reining in their own they're AWOL. It's beyond hypocrisy and it makes me sick. Hoffa would've been right at home in Red Moscow and Havana with talk like that. As for Mika, she's far from possessing the mental capacity to mount even the slightest defense of this garbage.
Joe better be careful
Submitted by IgnatzJFahrquar on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 11:41am.
He has been making a few intelligent points lately. I believe he's about to receive a note in his mailbox from the on-site Obama liaison: "Joe, meet me out back of the woodshed."
Yeah Mika, how 'bout them jobs??? Where are they?
Cross hairs for every Democrat who ramped up in face of Obama's
Submitted by Gary Hall on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 11:46am.
How about a map with cross hairs on every Democrat (Obama supporter) who ignored the President's very shallow calls for civility.
The "dialed down" rhetoric seems to be at an all time high.
I see that the LAT's here - covered Haffa's "dialed up" calls for war with the MSM's standard approach of covering for the President and noting how well his words were received by the supporters:
Looks like the LAT's skipped out on VP Biden's pathetic leadership skills, once again. A quick search for, "Biden + barbarians," returns no hits.
Looking forward - and backwards - anyone around here run across a good compilation of what's been said by Democrats - and Democrat supporters these past few years? A really good summary would list them by category; by politicians (including Obama and Biden), by pundits, by media figures, by others (Maher - etc). It could be titled, "Obama called for what?" I suspect that it's so unbalanced - in favor of hate speech from the left - that it could be accompanied by, "OK - come up with your list, and let's compare where the angry rhetoric, hate speech, and calls for violence is coming from."
What's the worse from the Republican side of the isle? "You lie," by Joe Wilson? Of course, that was just an observation - out of place - but certainly a fair observation.
(;~/ gary
And, as predicted, the
Submitted by Beukeboom on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 11:54am.
And, as predicted, the rhetoric against conservatives grows increasingly vitriolic and malicious the closer we get to Nov. 2012.
You ain't seen nothin' yet, folks!
why do we
Submitted by misterbee241 on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:02pm.
sit here and cluck our tongues and tsk tsk at the left, when we know this is how they are? they hate those who do not think like them. they hate us. they'd be perfectly happy "taking us out." when are we going to finally acknowledge that we are at war, at war with a faction that wants to destroy america and then control what's left? when are we going to face up to the fact that is is right and proper for them to talk and act like this, but we had better not disagree with obama or we're racist? when are we going to get the idea that they can embrace perversion sodomy and abortion, but we are not allowed to speak out for morality? we are at war people, and it is a war of their choosing. we had better armor up.
Cain was right on. The
Submitted by buddyc on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:59pm.
Cain was right on. The progressives/socialists/liberals/democrats have NOTHING to offer but hate. Anything they can do to take the focus off their failures is exactly what they want. Republicans should focus like a laser beam on JOBS and forget these side issues.
KUDOS???
Submitted by Joe W. on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 1:18pm.
Kudos to Joe??? Why, Noel?? He's supposed to be a conservative. Why praise him for acknowledging the obvious? He's a RINO at best, and a liberal in conservatives clothing in reality.
You're Right
Submitted by Conservator on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 1:45pm.
I had to leave my computer for awhile and just posted my comment when I returned without looking at new comments. Nevertheless, I'm glad I wasn't the only one to see Noel express kudos for Joey.
Official NewsBusters Position?
Submitted by Caringwhiteguy on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 2:13pm.
Just as it is the official Morning Joe position that VP Biden is not to be criticized on the set, there appears to be an official NewsBusters position on Joe Scarborough:
He is a no good, turncoat, RINO at best, shill for the left, dedicated to the perpetuation of liberal society. He's become a New York elitist who craves the attention of his media pals and his Upper West Side neighbors.
UNLESS: it's one of those rare occasions like the Hoffa outburst when Joe becomes the defender of Truth, Justice and the American Way.
Is that about right, Noel?
CWG,
Submitted by Agnostic on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 2:23pm.
Not exactly but I can see where that opinion could originate. Joe often espouses the ideas of fiscal conservatism however he is in a position where he levels his criticism at mostly Republicans. While this may because he is disappointed in the liberal in which many Republicans spend money, he simply knows the Republican candidates better or just that he expected to attack Republicans for his network I can not really form an opinion.
Regardless of the reason, the end result is that he attacks Republicans that are a lot closer to the fiscal ideas that he seems to support while allowing the Democrats to go without blame. The rest of the media pick this up as a Republican attacking Republican and uses it as needed to show the objects of Joe's criticism in even harsher light.
Despite the possible neutral reasons for his actions Joe does end up hurting the Republicans far more than he probably realizes - even when his criticism is legitimate.
Agnostic..
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 2:49pm.
It is true that Scarborough has criticized Republicans. (So have George Will, Roger Ailes, Karl Rove, Charles Krauthammer and others for that matter.) And his employment by MSNBC may have something to do with it. Greta Susteren is far from the staunch advocate for the Democratic party line that she was when she was with CNN.
But your statement that he allows Democrats to go without blame is just flat-out incorrect. His criticism of their [and Obama's] spending policies has been frequent and unequivocal.
Jer
Jer,
Submitted by Agnostic on Wed, 09/07/2011 - 9:05am.
I should clarify. In the same statements in which he will blast a Republican for spending he will not allow the perspective of the irresponsible spending by the Democrats. I understand there are several reasons for this (for one it is slightly off topic) but the results are the remainder of the media have a sound bite that is Republican vs Republican and in the end that is all that will be taken away from the interview/commentary.
Yes, he does attack Democrats in a similar manner but basically no one cares because to the right he is seen as useful to the left as an attack dog for no other reason then he gives what most likely is his honest opinion when disappointed by Republicans. Though I hate to admit this there is little room for criticism among your own in the current political climate. Unfortunately it is the one thing we need the most. Joe may be balanced to a certain degree on financial issues but his remarks about Republicans will get air time numerous times while his negative remarks about Democrats only get time on left leaning blogs to show him as another 'Conservative attack dog'.
Please note that I do not believe that the opinion of any pundit, personality or citizen should be limited but I do recognize that the media being how it is - Joe hurts the Republicans and Conservatives by association and will therefor be seen as a RINO. Especially since he occasionally speaks off the cuff incorrectly when talking about specific Republicans and their history (after all these shows have support staff for research and I'm sure his station has more influence on his research than on him).
You better watch what you say about Scarborough......
Submitted by djwolf12 on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 6:42pm.
Jer may come along and accuse you of not watching this crappy show.
I'll take your word for it that you watch the show, wolf...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 8:01pm.
As for actually listening to it...well, that's another matter.
Jer
Noel, I enjoy reading your articles, but please...
Submitted by Conservator on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 1:40pm.
...don't give that Son of a B, Joey, kudos for anything. He's loves his daily contacts with people in the Obama administration and most often attacks conservative positions while laughing at those who email his show calling him a RINO. Is there any doubt that Joey will vote for Obama next year? He might be the lesser of offensive hosts at MSNBC, but that's worthy of praise.
Conservator, I'm curious.
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 2:39pm.
What are the "conservative positions" Joe most often attacks? Would you kindly list and/or link the more prominent examples.
Thanks.
Jer
Hmm
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 2:57pm.
I could spend another 30 seconds and find more?
Maybe...and for every one of those I could find five similar to
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 3:47pm.
this:
It's not a matter of Dede Scozzafava being accused of associating with ACORN, as Allen archly put it. She IS associated with ACORN, having accepted the endorsement of ACORN's political front in New York, the Working Families Party, in her runs for state Assembly. Fortunately, Joe Scarborough was there to set the record straight.
JOE SCARBOROUGH: Except in this case, there are those of us who are economic conservatives who find it hard to support somebody that supported President Obama's stimulus package--Nancy Pelosi's stimulus package. And supported card check [the abolition of the secret ballot in unionization elections]. That voted with David Paterson more than a lot of Democrats in Albany. She is not—not only is she not conservative, she's not moderate . . . I don't expect social conservatives in the Northeast, but I sure as hell do expect economic conservatives. Why would any Republican support this woman, who again is far left even of Democrats who she serves with in the New York State legislature. This is a bizarre move by the New York Republican party, Mike.
ALLEN: Well, I agree that nominating her was perhaps the original sin, but Newt Gingrich, no flaming liberal, says that [supporting Hoffman] is a mistake; he goes with the shirts and skins, you need to get the 'R,' the number next to the letter 'R,' it needs to get higher if Republicans are going to be a majority.
SCARBOROUGH: Well let me just say about Newt Gingrich, Newt also worked against conservatives in 1994, like me, they found moderate Republican candidates --
ALLEN: Touché.
SCARBOROUGH: I'm just saying, Newt outthinks himself sometimes, he did in '94, he worked against people like me, Dave Weldon, others. And what we heard from the NRCC was "oh, you're too conservative to win. Pat Buchanan and Phyllis Schlafly scared everybody in '92. The only way we're going to take power in '94 is by reaching out to moderates." That isn't how that story ended up. So, a lot of us think Newt is making that mistake again. But what do we know?
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2009/10/27/politicos-allen...
Jer
And in the end, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 7:42pm.
while there are those who expound ad nauseum on what they see as the high flying value of a person who shoots at both sides willy-nilly as though that were some ineffably great quality equal to fairness, neutrality, and an indication of premier statesmanship; there are those of us who see it as either indecisiveness, phoniness, pandering in two directions, having your cake and eating it, too; playing both sides against the middle, or just plain being a lying, two-faced pos doing what is necessary to keep the paychecks rolling in.
Far more people see Scarborough through the lens of actual reality than see him in a Fun House mirror as you do.
MD
''Hey Joe''
Submitted by palmaceiahome on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 2:34pm.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Keep it up Joe and you might achieve that average.
*
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 2:37pm.
delete
Jim Hoffa and jobs
Submitted by wingnut55 on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 3:25pm.
What does Jim Hoffa Jr. know about jobs. He never held on in his life. It used to be that to be president of the teamsters you had to drive a truck some time in your life. Hoffa Jr. had that rule changed so he could be president for life. Will he be held accountable when some nut goes out and shoots a Tea Party member in the head? I doubt it. Remember that President Obama ended the investigation into racketeering in the Teamsters. Hoffa Jr. and Obama have each others back. This guy was inciting violence, but no one cares on the left.
Yep.....but he also says
Submitted by djwolf12 on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 6:06pm.
that if you don't agree WITH ME on climate change (or it should really be....WAYS FOR GOVERNMENT TO INTERFERE WITH YOUR PERSONAL LIVES on everything and anything it wants), then YOU ARE UNFIT TO SERVE.
Voting present
Submitted by ferv888 on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 8:00pm.
WH has no comment. The President was not there, what should have been said is there is no there there.
Biden was in Ohio, and he was there when he told the union thugs they were standing against the "barbarians."
Boy, anyone notice the double standard? The AP ran the story and not once gave Hoffa's complete quote that in used the SOB's.
Ferv888
Voting present
Submitted by ferv888 on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 8:00pm.
WH has no comment. The President was not there, what should have been said is there is no there there.
Biden was in Ohio, and he was there when he told the union thugs they were standing against the "barbarians."
Boy, anyone notice the double standard? The AP ran the story and not once gave Hoffa's complete quote that in used the SOB's.
Ferv888