Tina Brown: Cheney's Foreign Policy Has Been 'Validated By Obama'
Tina Brown seems to be very conflicted about her opinion of Dick Cheney.
After telling the "Morning Joe" panel the former Vice President is a "wrecking ball" who "seems to be totally in denial still about Iraq," the Daily Beast-Newsweek editor said moments later, "He's been validated by Obama" (video follows with transcript and commentary):
TINA BROWN, DAILY BEAST-NEWSWEEK: I mean, you know, Cheney seems to be totally in denial still about Iraq. I mean, totally in denial. You know, he just doesn't want to admit that, you know, he and Rumsfeld were just wrong and got it wrong, and we’ve paid a horrendous price for it. So he's in total denial. One of the things I feel is just, you know, you get reminded again of what a kind of wrecking ball the guy was.
Moments later, when the discussion turned to how anti-war Democrat presidential candidates become far more hawkish if elected, Brown changed her tune:
BROWN: Well, I mean, Dick Cheney could argue that we're all Cheneyites now in the sense that…
JOE SCARBOROUGH, HOST: Yes we are.
BROWN: … here is Obama, you know, with Guantanamo and the drones. I mean, this is all…
SCARBOROUGH: Triple the number of troops.
BROWN: Absolutely, it’s Cheney-like.
SCARBOROUGH: We're firing drones into Somalia. Dropping bombs on a country we're not at war at. Yemen.
BROWN: He's been validated by, by, by Obama.
SCARBOROUGH: He has. I said that yesterday. Boy, the tweets. Whoa!
So does that mean Obama is also a wrecking ball totally in denial?
Not surprisingly, that didn't come up.
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I am in denial too.
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 11:59am.
Hell, I thought we won. Wait, we did. Dang, still in denial.
I deny that denial. :-)
Submitted by Beukeboom on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 12:01pm.
I deny that denial. :-)
Nice photo...
Submitted by DumbCanuck on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 12:00pm.
I'd love to see this photo of Ms. Brown appear on the cover of Newsweak....... Won't happen in my lifetime, I'll bet.
"There... Are... Four... Lights!"
I would have to write a referral to a qualified orthopod...
Submitted by drsamherman on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 12:48pm.
...she certainly will need surgical intervention to realign her cervical vertebrae after doing that 180 so quickly. Or perhaps she will need a facial plastic surgery referral to deal with that other face she just presented.
t.brown
Submitted by D'saredumbpeople on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 1:00pm.
who is she.....
she looks like she works at dairy queen....they needed to hire a look like a guy token.
I wouldn't say Cheney has
Submitted by eaglewingz08 on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 1:15pm.
I wouldn't say Cheney has been "validated" by Obama, since Obama doesn't know the right side of a barn when it comes to foreign policy. But Obama's following of Cheney's well thought out policies, have neutralized democrap objections and critiques to the post 9/11 anti terror policies that have kept us safe for the past decade.
Hey Tina, I Can't Validate Your Earth Ticket
Submitted by Motormouth KOS on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 1:27pm.
Yet another snivelling, whiney, priveledged limousine liberal. I really would kick you in the ass if I saw you on the streets of NYC, but not until I got in your hideous grille and asked you to kindly return to your former home and 4th world former empire.
The difference between you and a rhesus monkey is not the hairy ass or the hairy back... it's the fact that that monkey is actually smart enough NOT to try to look smart when he actually knows it's all about the bananas.
So, you got hired to turn NewWEAK into something better than litterbox liner? Good luck you simpleton. Cheney got validated by Barrack Hussein? Really?
What does that make President Downgrade?
Hitler?
The Obamination... A crisis leading to a catastrophe..(please donate to MRC)
So, O'bummer is a "war
Submitted by jdhawk on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 1:30pm.
So, O'bummer is a "war criminal" like Cheney? The "dream" of having Cheney arrested, prosecuted, and jailed in a foreign country is the same "dream" that liberals now hold for O'bozo?
Yeah, right!
What we don't hear is the nightly body counts to start off the news hour, we don't hear leftists senators and congressman calling our troop Nazis, we don't have the media interviewing the enemy with a sympathetic ear, etc.
In fact, what we don't have is a president and a democRAT controlled senate calling for the defunding of any of the wars.
What we do have is a fight still going on in Iraq, an escalation of the fight in Afghanistan, and four additional countries that we are at war with, but no one in this administration bothered to ask the UN for permission. Remember that? The constant harangue from the left over not getting the UN to agree to going to war when in fact we had multiple times?
Meanwhile, the morons running this administration are taking us back into recession, consumer confidence is in the toilet, the financial and housing sectors never left the previous recession, and we will add another 2 + trillion dollars of debt in less than 18 months from now. And, of course, the latest is "to get the economy going again" to throw more freshly printed government money at the problem!
No denying it: Obama war polices are duplicates of Cheney/Bush
Submitted by lrgon on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 1:50pm.
What's so hard to figure about that? War is war even if Obama has his friends in the major media call them by another name.
Truman called the Korean War a "peace action." How Orwellian can you get by calling something the opposite of what it really is when captured US soldiers were being murdered with their hands barbed wired behind their backs by stinking communists who had no concept of "just war" principles.
It is surprising that an MSNBC commentator recognizes the fact that there is no difference between what Obama is doing today and what Bush/Cheney did when they were in power.
It would have been bold of her to really expand upon it by telling Joe and the viewers that Obama is murdering people in a series of undeclared wars.That would have been something!
Obama's actions are something Madison and Jefferson would look upon as illegal and unconstitutional unilateral actions by a president and would come right out and say them regardless of the smear that comes when people tell the truth! Bravery is something we can never expect to come from a "news commentator" who loves her status and money more than telling it like it is.
I'll give her credit for at least saying what she did say even if it was probably an unintential consequence of trying to win an argument.
have to agree Irgon,
Submitted by Agnostic on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 2:05pm.
the only real difference is legality and the Bush administration was narrowing the focus which started as a world-wide initiative using influence from the Philippines to Algeria while Obama's administration seems to be expanding the view of the war. To be fair, who knows what would have happened if Bush was in office to deal with Arab Spring but IMHO he would have concentrated on Iraq in order to try to create one area of stability.
At this point, I think she's showing off.
Submitted by Phryj1 on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 2:33pm.
She knows she won't get called on even the most glaring examples of left-wing bias and double-standards. She basically just said that when Cheney does something, it's bad, but when Obama continues it, it's good. Wow.
Will you hear word one about this from any MSM outlet? Nope. Obamapologism has run rampant, and those practicing it have no use for facts. So much for their 'reality-based' presidency/politics.
Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.
I mean, like
Submitted by CO2Maker on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 3:45pm.
Wow, you know. I mean, you know, Tina is a major league editor (--big time!) and, like Dick Vader was wrong, you know, and all wrapped up in that war thing, you now, and like it took President Obama to validate it, you know.
Old joke: I don't have one of those social diseases and I don't want to get one again.
Cheney's hard-line approach with respect to
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 4:30pm.
[some would say Draconian] anti-terrorism measures implemented during the previous administration and embraced by the present one does indeed confer a degree of vindication for the policies championed by the former Vice-President. To the extent Cheney was the architect of or heavily influenced the military and political strategy vis a vis Iraq and Afghanistan in particular, his judgment is less unimpeachable and his legacy still a work in progress.
Jer
Jer
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 4:33pm.
Did you mean "less impeachable"? I think I follow what you're saying up to that point.
Cool...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 4:48pm.
No, but I should have come up with some wording a little less undecipherable.
Jer
→ Whatever you say, Jer
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 4:56pm.
But my understanding of your post was that Cheney's methods are seen as more acceptable (less impeachable) as the current administration embraces them.
If that's not what you meant, you should be a lawyer.
Or at least play one on the Interwebs.
Let me review it, Cool...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 5:02pm.
It was clumsily stated to say the least.
Jer
On further review, it is what I meant to say, i.e.
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 5:19pm.
while I have always supported Cheney's position on Gitmo, enhanced interrogation, etc and believe that history has largely vindicated him in that respect, the soundness of the strategies employed in both Iraq and Afghanistan is debatable and the wisdom of Cheney--to the extent he was responsible for that strategy--questionable. In other words, less unimpeachable than was his judgment in the area of incarceration, interrogation and treatment of captured terrorists.
Jer
Good one, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 6:06pm.
the post, I mean; as you got in an attaboy for Cheney AND a backhand slap at ol' Darth Vader as well.
Now you can continue to pat your back for being fair, and rub your belly for having taken a bite out of the opposition, as a good lib should.
You really ought to consider a career in the field of law. :o)
MD
md...I've been consistently endorsing Cheney's anti-terrorist
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 6:17pm.
policies for four years. This may be the first time I've singled out Cheney on war strategy, but I have criticized the Bush administration in general on both Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm expressing my opinion. Do you have a problem with that?
Jer
Jer, have you really been consistently endorsing---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 6:38pm.
Cheney's anti-terrorist policies for four years?
Why, if you had not just this minute pointed out your endorsing of Cheney on the one hand, and on the other hand, your criticism of the Bush administration in general on both Iraq and Afghanistan, I would have been completely unaware of the fact that you are such an equal opportunity picker of nits, major policy decisions, slip-ups, and gross errors, from both sides of the political aisle.
As far as you expressing your opinion, there is a lot of opinion expressing happening on these threads on a daily basis; so, no, I gots no problems with your opinions.
Your opinions, to me, are as targets are to a target shooter - necessary; except twice as functional.
They allow me to have a decent target, as well as giving me the opportunity to piss you off.
Life is good.
MD
Attack on Obama
Submitted by Tjexcite on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 5:39pm.
This is an attack on Obama. In validating what Cheney would do Obama is dropping to his level of evil and is just as bad. It is time for someone that does not drops to their (GOP and Cheney) level and do the opposite as they promise to do during the campaign.
One thing
Submitted by desert3030 on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 5:52pm.
Obama did was leave the W Team for defense in place. Remember how bad we were by being at war? Soon he will have his own three own going!
When was the last time NBC or MSNBC showed a flag draped coffin they fought so hard that had to be shown. When was the last time Georgey (I am Hill's whipping boy) S,counted off the dead on his Sunday show? Funny, not haha, how it has all gone away, even those back case of the ug's from Code Pinkie.
Translation?
Submitted by Chris Norman on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 8:58pm.
I think what Ms. Brown was trying to say is that policies and tactics that are bad when designed by Dick Cheney are so much better when a liberal, like Obama, employs them. I think I got that right.
The only reason to watch Morning Joe
Submitted by Woodrowski on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 11:35pm.
Is Mika, Whoa!!! SMOKIN HOT!!!! Just watch w/ the sound off.
"I mean, I mean, you know, I mean, you know...
Submitted by Prester John on Wed, 08/31/2011 - 11:15am.
...I mean, I mean, you know......."
Good Lord, the woman sounds like a sophomore in high school, and she gets paid for this????!!!