Howard Fineman: If Obama Said 'I Love Apple Pie' Republicans Would Call It 'A Socialist Plot'
It's not at all surprising the Obama-loving, anti-war media are gushing and fawning over what appears to be a rebel victory in Libya.
On MSNBC's "Hardball" Monday, the Huffington Post's Howard Fineman joined in the victory lap mocking skeptical Republicans by sniping, "If Barack Obama came out and said, 'You know, I really love apple pie,' they would say, 'Apple pie is a socialist plot'” (video follows with transcript and commentary):
HOWARD FINEMAN, HUFFINGTON POST: And I think in this case his vision of careful multicultural, multilateral diplomacy and careful pinpointed use of force really did, really did work, and he deserves credit for it.
RON REAGAN, HOST: The Republicans, of course, don't see it that way. They're sort of nitpicking the situation. Do they risk looking peevish and small-minded as a result?
FINEMAN: I'm laughing because if they, if they ever worried about the risk of seeming peevish and small-minded, I haven't noticed it. I mean, if they, if Barack Obama came out and said, “You know, I really love apple pie,” they would say, “Apple pie is a socialist plot.”
That would depend on the ingredients, Howard.
Like so many of his colleagues, Fineman has a poor sense of irony.
On the one hand, he mocked Republicans for not worrying about "seeming peevish and small-minded."
What this of course means is that he sees members of the GOP as "peevish and small-minded," and doesn't feel it's at all important for him as a so-called "journalist" to hide such negative sentiments about a large portion of Americans.
Yet those on the Right that possess a similarly negative view of the President, and feel uncomfortable giving him credit for anything, are to be mocked and derided for having those feelings.
As I've said for years, it takes a tremendous number of rationalizations to be a liberal these days.
What is also quite striking about today's left-leaning political analysts is how they conveniently feign total ignorance of politics when the situation warrants.
There's an election next year that the Republicans would like to win. It is therefore not in their best interest to say nice things about the president they're trying to defeat.
Surely someone that has covered national politics since 1978 is not only aware of this, but also has experienced it throughout his career.
Apart from the months immediately following 9/11, Democrats hardly ever had anything nice to say about George W. Bush. That's called politics.
Unfortunately, folks like Fineman lose all knowledge of how this game works whenever there's a Democrat in the White House.
At that point, Republicans are considered rude if they don't fawn and gush over him like members of the media do.
Sorry to disappoint you, Howard.
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Howard Fineman?
Submitted by Bourbeau on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 7:25pm.
Talk about someone whose become totally irrelevant; why does anyone listen to or report on anything this moron says. Suck it up Fineman, you backed an inexperienced, shallow, phoney community organizer; he hasn't grown in the job, he's run away from it. He's not interesting in being a leader; he's experienced at being a follower. You and breathren were snookered; it's time to admit your stupidity and move on.
Obama would say, "I love
Submitted by tcm14 on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 7:31pm.
Obama would say, "I love apple pie. It is unfair that those less fortunate are denied their civil right to apple pie." It's not that we are creating a socialist plot, it's that everything the guy says is right out of the socialist handbook.
Apple Pie?
Submitted by peteydee on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 8:26pm.
It would be more likely for him to say he likes "juka",as he is sucking the blood out of "U.S".
If Obama says, "I love apple pie" . . .
Submitted by Galvanic on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 9:26am.
. . . it's time to a get a firm grip on your apple pie.
Same old song and dance,
Submitted by Reaver on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 7:31pm.
Same old song and dance, anything less than glowing praise for dear leader is dismissed as partisan sniping. After all there can’t be principled disagreements with President Wonderful.
Howard, Apple Pie is
Submitted by Hunter12 on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 7:34pm.
Howard, Apple Pie is American. I think you might have meant Apple Pandowdy. It's made in Canada, but can pass as Made in the USA.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
I think before agreeing with
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 7:43pm.
I think before agreeing with anything the details need to be worked out. Define what the pie is, the dimensions and what it is comprised of, what it tastes like and most important what is the cost of the pie. Anytime I shake hands with a Democrat I count my fingers before and after.
The key is how the pie is cut into slices
Submitted by Galvanic on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 10:44am.
And Obama tipped his hand on this when he answered Joe the Plumber.
Howard Fineman has a short memory
Submitted by Marcus Porcius on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 7:45pm.
Hey Howard remember this?
"The president had a caveat, though. The American involvement in military action in Libya should be limited '" no ground troops '" and finite. 'Days, not weeks,' a senior White House official recalled him saying. "
Days not weeks, eh Howard? So explain to us how MONTHS later, when most of the work was done by Europe, when it was Europe that pushed the idea and started the whole thing, this is somehow a great victory for the Comrade in Chief's "vision of careful multicultural, multilateral diplomacy and careful pinpointed use of force."
Sounds to me, Howard, that while apple pie may not be a socialist plot, you are certainly a socialist dolt.
"Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions." G.K. Chesterton
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And the vital US interest was?
Submitted by WingletDriver on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 7:47am.
What vital US interest is served by replacing Ghadafi with some unknown jihadist entity?
Why did we commit troops to Libya and not Syria? Could it be that Libya is a major oil supplier to Europe, making this nothing but a war for oil?
It seems that you and your ilk constantly berated Bush and Co. for not having an exit strategy in Iraq. What is our exit strategy in Libya?
Did Congress ever get around to declaring war?
So, rather than cheering this phenomenal success, why don't you ask an important question
it has been days...
Submitted by OuttaMyWay on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 12:44pm.
and as long as it is not divisable by 7, he will be safe. we can be there a 780 days. they just won't mention how many weeks or months it has taken. :)
Just remember he was on 'prompter when he said 57 states.... and how many territories do we have? He ain't stupid, he just thinks we are.
And if Howard Fineman says "good morning' we check the clock.
Submitted by drsamherman on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 7:58pm.
He is the prototypical "useful idiot" and "unwitting tool" so desirable to the (un)intelligentsia of the left. There is no other way to explain how a rather mundane, mediocre hack could have stayed so long at a left-wing rag like Newsweak. His incompetence is eclipsed only by his irrelevance.
My question is what does it take to get these old, useless lefties like Bob Schieffer, Andrea Mitchell and Howie to just retire? Either they are way too addicted to notoriety (good or bad--mostly bad in their case!) or delusional enough to believe anyone really cares what they have to say.
Actually, Howard, in Obama's case, it probably would be a...
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 8:00pm.
...socialist plot:
Did I miss anything?
Ya know, Howard, you said the other day that Obama was so much smarter than the rest of us.
I have my doubts about that, but I'm pretty sure he is smarter than you.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Did I miss anything?
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 8:26pm.
You missed the most important thing of all: Get Moochelle's permission to eat the pie!
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
Kf17,
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 8:47pm.
ROFL!
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Kingfish, surely you jest!
Submitted by MikeB on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 9:19pm.
Kingfish, surely you jest! Moochelle would not want the peasantry to eat pie; her advice would for us to eat cake.
She did give up permission once
Submitted by jon_torlin on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 10:16am.
She did give us permission during Thanksgiving last year to eat pie.
That made us feel so good!
NOT!
-Jon
And, after he nationalizes everything,
Submitted by UpNorth on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 9:02pm.
and the workers want to unionize, President Present will put them all in the National Socialist Workers Party.
They won't be allowed to bargain, or strike, and will have to have the collective's politburo, er worker's council, ok their health care choices, but, it's all good, it's the government and they're there to help.
Bad Boy Johnny
Submitted by miss911ninja on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:39pm.
One more thing: To borrow Michelle's phraseology, "we must change our history," and eliminate Johnny Appleseed from our folklore. He was waaaaay too ambitious and unregulated. A bad apple!
miss911,
Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 3:41am.
Forget the commercially produced apple pies, and wait fot the domestic ones.
Then watch what happens when Johnny and his sister try to sell lemonade along side them.
Free country we still are, my ____.
And LTNS, BTW.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Bad Apple Pies
Submitted by miss911ninja on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 11:26am.
And of course the most dangerous of the domestic bad apple pies are those made by "church ladies" to sell at bake sales. There is a long history of disease and even death caused by pies which were not baked in government approved kitchens, which must include a stainless steel sink. Food safety is impossible without one of those, you know!
speaking of apple pie... and socialism
Submitted by OuttaMyWay on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 12:46pm.
the newest thing are urban orchards. because wild apples are great, because they have extra protein.
they want the poor to be able to walk up and take an apple if they are hungry. great. apple drops and flies. so they can be feed for 3 weeks a year.
March: Days not weeks (to victory)
Submitted by MidAmerica on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 8:30pm.
If I remember correctly our mission as stated by the president was merely a humanitarian one. The US was going to enforce a no-fly zone for the innocent people of Libya. But it seems somehow the mission took longer (much longer) and it is questionable how many Libyans lives were saved. Was Gaddaffi going to kill as many people as were killed in this civil war that the Europeans and Americans supported? How many more will die in Libya until the political situation is settled? And the question for a financially strapped America is how many billions of dollars did we invest in this overthrow of a sovereign country's leader?
Think about that constant refrain that George Bush lied us into war?
obama said our involvement didn't even rise to the level of being a war.
How many Libyans did our tomahawk cruise missiles turn into a bloody mist?
(Peace Prize my arse)
Plot
Submitted by Tjexcite on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 8:42pm.
Pie is not a socialists plot but a world view.
The is only one pie and how can they as the betters in government divide it so that even it if there a one million slices they are all equal. Not to let everyone have the ability to make their own pie as that would be unfair even if everyone has the same ingredients they don't have the drive, will, and ability so the government stop all pie production and make the one pie it produces split equally.
If Obama said he liked apple pie it's only for one reason.
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 8:45pm.
He can tax you on it when you buy some.
Or thinks that you should
Submitted by Quasi-socialist on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 2:04pm.
really consider eating comfort food instead of getting an expensive procedure done. "I like apple pie. It always makes me feel better."
What's amazing, Howard,
Submitted by HockeyKid on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 8:56pm.
(and empirically true) is that if Obysmal said, "We need to attack Libya", you "anti-war" libs would nod and mmm-hmm and say, "And I think in this case his vision of careful multicultural, multilateral diplomacy and careful pinpointed use of force really did, really did work, and he deserves credit for it."
That's one hell of a slice of pie to swallow, Howie.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
Actually, based upon the actions and beliefs of this President
Submitted by djwolf12 on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 9:01pm.
he would not like apple pie, because of the phrase "As american as apple pie". I think he prefers flan.
Have to admit, Obama has some great fans
Submitted by Boudin on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 9:05pm.
0-20 and they still believe they have a chance for the Belt?
Not quite sure about the
Submitted by rbosque on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 9:06pm.
Not quite sure about the apples, his analogy falls really flat.
Socialism involves nationalizing healthcare, and GM which Obama has done.
This Bozo damn well knows the socialist things Obama has done, not focusing on the issue is really insulting and demeaning. Piss on him.
Hey Howard....
Submitted by NeoKong on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 9:08pm.
Can you stick with comments that were actually said rather than making up your own version of what you think may be said and criticizing it....?
Jeebus
Submitted by donabernathy on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 9:12pm.
Did they find weapons of Mass Destruction in Libya?..... Where's all the Blood for Oil jive...... Where's Cindy Sheehan when Dumber is in da White House. I really enjoy feeling what soviet citizens felt reading Pravda and watching Propaganda TV..... I've never laughed so hard. More Vodka please.
roflmao
Shave and a Haircut
Submitted by IrateNate on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 9:24pm.
I'm not calling Fineman a total dickhead, but one has to wonder if he combed his hair any differently prior to his circumcision...
so wait--
Submitted by michiganruth on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 9:31pm.
so the (possible) fall of Khadafi is due to Obama? you mean after being dragged into the fight and really NOT wanting to go there, and waiting as long as he possibly could, and then making the French and Brits "take the lead" (as much as THEY could as lame as they are)...now it's all because of him?
I give him credit for as much as he accomplished. but to think it's some kind of Democratic talking point for the election is just silly.
I do think some isolationist Repubs who didn't want to go into Libya in the first place are probably whining. but we should continue to ignore them. we've seen what happens when America stops being "the world's police"--we have to remain involved or the whole thing goes to hell.
Yea, think he will take credit for the
Submitted by Boudin on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 9:44pm.
Ideological Gov that takes over?
afterall,
Submitted by Wineguy13 on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:16pm.
The jury is still out on the Muslim brotherhood
He's been working out at the Liberal Fitness Gym.
Submitted by Order270 on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:15pm.
The exercise:
1. Pretend 2 handlebars are coming out of your eyes.
2. Grab hold with both fists.
3. Twist both hands like the throttle on a motorcycle.
4. With each twist, repeat after me...Whhaaa.
1...2...twist...whhaaa
1...2...twist...whhaaa
Hey Fineman...How about this
Submitted by rbosque on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:31pm.
Hey Fineman...How about this act of Fascism from "the one"???
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/22/standard-poors-president-resigns/
It would be something along
Submitted by balboa on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:53pm.
It would be something along the lines of "only commies like apple pie. Everyone knows that's an elitist dessert."
Obama's pie chart.
Submitted by nadnad1776 on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 5:06am.
I like Obama' pie charts better because they go way past 360 degrees, hence more pie for everybody.
Howard Whineman
Submitted by Jack Bauer on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 5:32am.
If Barack Obama came out and said, 'You know, I really love socialism and we need to spread the pie,"
Howard Fineman would say, "This confession of socialism by Obama really is a racist Tea Party plot to discredit Obama who really is a centrist pie maker."
All of the above Mr Obama? --- How about ALL OF THE BELOW, instead.
Useful Idiot
Submitted by scottyusmc on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 6:45am.
Wonder what is feels like to be laughed at from both sides!!! His liberal socialist masters are laughing at their useful idiot dancing to their tune - and of course we are laughing at the puppet having his strings pulled... Entertaining all the way around as well as being total fiction...
I'm clinging
Submitted by CalWasRight on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 6:57am.
...to my guns, my bible and my apple pie!
If President Downgrade said... "I am a Marxist"
Submitted by Motormouth KOS on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 7:11am.
OK.
I might reluctantly believe him.
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MSNBC
Submitted by notinstl on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 8:21am.
is a soclialst plot
It's more than a stretch to consider Obama's war in Libya a win.
Submitted by Thalpy on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 8:39am.
Muslims win, we lose. They extend their caliphate with its Sharia. They strengthen the Muslim Brotherhood. Fineman's assessment like most of what he does is lame.
There was a time when I
Submitted by Semus on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 8:56am.
There was a time when I thought Howard Fineman was relatively objective, but I haven't felt this way for a long time. I'm sorry but I have no respect for any adult that still supports or really ever supported Obama, I mean didn't they listen to him. But I'll just talk about those that still support him they can only be one of two things, a 1) Useful Idiot or 2) a Fellow Traver, there's a good chance both would like Apple Pie. How could anyone not be even a little curious suspicious about who this man is and the type of people he surrounds himself with?
He is fairly objective whenever he shows up...
Submitted by jawebster1 on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 12:24pm.
on Laura Ingraham's radio show. He is smart enough to know that if he attempted to say the same stuff that he gets away with on MESSNBC, Laura would hand his head to him. The guy is a phony through and through and he adopts a different persona depending on whose show he happens to be on.
Geez Howie, just because
Submitted by amyshulk on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 8:55am.
Geez Howie, just because that's what guys like you did for 8 years under Pres. Bush...
Ronald Reagan
Victory lap?
Submitted by Cactus Kurt on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 9:14am.
Isn't it a bit premature for dems to be running a "victory lap"? Yes, a rebel victory in Libya is at hand... but it ain't over yet. It's like spiking the ball on the 2 yard line when running in for a touchdown.
Howeird Fineman is a Practicing Racist, So Really...
Submitted by Motormouth KOS on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 9:32am.
Who cares what he says?
Remember this?
In an interview with Keith Olber-douche on MSLSD regarding the 2010 Senate special election in Massachusetts, Fineman commented on Scott Brown's TV ads:
"Maybe not in Massachusetts, but maybe in some places, there are codes, there are images, ah, you know, there are pickup trucks, uh, you could say there was a racial aspect to it one way or another"
Huh?
If you drive a pickup truck, you're a racist?
Somebody take this useless pustule out to pasture. Please.
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Howard's objectivity
Submitted by mcgeeins1 on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 10:03am.
Ole' Obama could crap in his hand, put a candle in it and call it a cupcake- Howard Fineman and the rest of the MSM would ask for seconds!!
He's the Reactionary
Submitted by Wildcatter1980 on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 10:32am.
Just wind Fineman and others of his ilk up and they spout canards against conservatives, the Tea Party and Republicans.
--
If you want to know what liberal secular progressives are really doing, just listen to what they are accusing others of.
Recommended reading: Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg
It would depend upon how much
Submitted by robert108 on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 10:41am.
It would depend upon how much money obama is getting from the apple pickers union.
Well is there anything
Submitted by wiwf on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 11:58am.
Well is there anything Obama's done that makes Tea Partiers not foam from the mouth? Obama can do nothing right with them.
He could resign. That would be the right thing...
Submitted by jawebster1 on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 12:06pm.
for him to do.
Praising Obama
Submitted by Agnostic on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 12:33pm.
First there were many that said extending the tax cuts was the right thing to do though the deal over all left people on both sides ill. Many credited President Obama for taking out Osama though some questioned the method. But here is the real problem - the MEDIA!
Here is the general format -
Obama does something (for sake of argument we will call it something good)
The media hyperventilates to get the message on air, in print and as many pundits lined up as possible to shovel praise on the President.
After 12-24 hours of the love fest people are tired of the slobbering media and it starts to taint any possible positives the President could have received because now he sounds more arrogant and self-centered due to the media.
People start to question the hype
Those who questioned the event or even the laudatory efforts of the media are berated by the media (called racist if possible)
- this is all done in the Presidents name by the media and it unfortunately takes a man that appears to be somewhat self-centered and makes him look like an egomaniac.
Second, I don't remember all the praise for Reagan for helping to end the Cold War, the turn in economic trends and turning the great 'Malaise' into a nation that was proud to be American again. I don't remember all the praise for GWB for following the economic advisers and propelling out of the recession, removing personal ethical issues from the WH and holding policies that kept the economy going strong until he lost the Congress to Democrats. (I know that is far too simplistic but since we've started on stupid talking points why should I bother doing an in depth response).
If I said Howard "Notso" Fineman was a liberal hack, I'd...
Submitted by jawebster1 on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 12:04pm.
be telling the unmitigated truth.
If Obama ate apple pie he would
Submitted by jpeditor on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 12:19pm.
be dribbling crumbs on Howard.
Well of course you know
Submitted by telecaster on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 1:16pm.
Well of course you know Howard, that apple pie is indeed a Socialist plot. You believed Obama's campaign rhetoric.....it should be no big leap to believe in subversive desserts.
And if Obama
Submitted by Quasi-socialist on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 1:57pm.
farted, people like Howard Fineman would say we should all get behind it.
Gee, that was easy.
Obama could love NASCAR and still be a socialist
Submitted by gopcongress on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 3:45pm.
Obama could love NASCAR, own a bunch of guns, a pickup truck, play golf every weekend (oh, he does that already, sorry), go to church (oh, jeremiah wright, sorry again), dress in checkered shirts and Stilson hats...
...and I would STILL call him a commie lib!
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