Rick Santelli Rips CNBC Guest For Calling Tea Partiers 'Freaked Out White Men Who Are Unemployed'
Banking analyst Meredith Whitney made a big mistake on CNBC Wednesday calling Tea Party members "freaked out white men who are unemployed" when Rick Santelli was about to come on the program.
Not surprisingly, Santelli after his pre-market interview with Steve Liesman went right after Whitney's foolish comments even making it personal (video follows with transcript and commentary):
MEREDITH WHITNEY, BANKING ANALYST: I would suggest that the debate is really around unemployment, and I think that, you know, call the Tea Party whatever you will, the fringe element is, you know, I characterize freaked out white men who are unemployed and have been unemployed for three years and they're scared to death. And three to four million of them are just about to roll off of unemployment benefits in the next three months. So, this is only going to get worse. For this reason, you have to deal with structural issues. So, if you are a Machiavellian Democrat, you want to deal with this issue and defuse the Tea Party as fast as you possibly can, because this poses the biggest threat to their reelection I think in ’12.
A few minutes later at the end of a subsequent segment, Santelli had to respond:
RICK SANTELLI, CNBC: You know, Joe, I'm surprised you don't want to ask me anything.
JOE KERNEN, CNBC: I never know, Rick, I never know how to get you going. Sometimes I ask you the most loaded questions and you blow it off. Other times I think I'm asking the most innocuous thing.
SANTELLI: No, I just had a few e-mails about a comment that one of our guests made today. I’m surprised you didn't ask me, that’s all.
KERNEN: Which comment?. Oh, oh, oh, oh, yeah, you are white and you are angry.
SANTELLI: Well, you know what? The last person that said that was King George and he said it about the colonists, you know? That's all I can say.
KERNEN: That's, it could be another, another YouTube moment. All right, all right. I'm, I hear you.
SANTELLI: I don’t need to rant about that. You know, those were our Founding Fathers.
KERNEN: Yeah, they were angry.
SANTELLI: How many muni areas have actually defaulted, by the way? Just a question.
WHITNEY: Why is he so angry? What have I done to you?
KERNEN: He’s an angry white man.
WHITNEY: I was empathizing with people who are unemployed.
SANTELLI: Oh come on. Think about it. Think about it. Stick with munis.
WHITNEY: I don't know where that came from, but okay.
Ouch.
For those unfamiliar with Santelli's muni reference, Whitney has recently come under fire for having predicted eight months ago there would be widespread defaults by municipal bond issuers around the country this year.
As Bloomberg reported in July, during the first six months of 2011, muni defaults are down 60 percent compared to the same period last year.
Obviously aware of this, Santelli chose to pull that scab off in order to get back at the banking analyst.
Suffice to say CNBC guests should be warned not to utter anything negative about the Tea Party when Santelli is around.
Bravo, Rick! Bravo!
(H/T NB's Tom Blumer)
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Comments
Angry White Men?
Submitted by GeneralAl on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 1:06pm.
Isn't that just a tad bit racist? Oh, wait! It would opnly be racist if she said angry black men!
"Old Soldiers never die, they just fade away"!
Well, since the 'black'
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 1:30pm.
Well, since the 'black' population is reported to have a higher unemployment percentage than the 'white' population, I'm wondering why she didn't say 'angry black men'......................I'm pretty sure that most of them aren't privy to Obama's 'stash', and they're struggling just as much as anybody else.
Oh, wait............the Congressional Black Caucas is having a conference to discuss 'black' employment......of course, that whack-job Uncle Tom Alan West will probably stir things up by actually WANTING to do something about it besides talk!!!
And yet once again, Boy Blunder has called for more focus on job creation, laser-beam attention, and rebuilding the country.
So the blacks and whites should be OK any day now.
Oxymoron
Submitted by Yuki on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 8:33am.
Why would the Congressional Black Caucus discuss black employment. Isn't 'black employment' an oxymoron?
General Al, you have to
Submitted by motherbelt on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 4:51pm.
General Al, you have to understand that it's perfectly acceptable to be angry if one is an unemployed black man.
"Empathizing"?
Submitted by almostacowboy on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 1:10pm.
Excuse me? Maybe she is "empathizing" with "freaked out white men who are unemployed and have been unemployed for three years and they're scared to death", but to the best of my knowledge few TEA Party members fall into that category.
Myself? I'm employed full-time, have been for the last 23 years, would be considered "well off" in most of the county, but certainly not where I live in CA, and what I may be considered "freaked-out" about is the parade of clowns and wack-jobs who promote Keynesian economic theory and socialism with the same excuse for the failure of both with "Well, it's still correct. We just need to do more of it" insanity!
Absolutely correct
Submitted by IgnatzJFahrquar on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 1:26pm.
The TEA Party people are the ones who are employed and having their hard earned $ siphoned off by the "Givs Me Dat" entitlement sloth.
Amen, brother.
Submitted by HockeyKid on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 1:37pm.
The Tea Party's anthem should be "We Work Hard For Our Money (So You Better Treat Us Right)".
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
Sympathy---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 7:14pm.
feeling sorry for someone stranded in the middle of the ocean in a rowboat.
Empathy - being in that rowboat with them.
I think Meredith Whitney missed the boat on her word usage, as she is neither a white male nor a TEA Party adherent.
MD
Rick Santelli
Submitted by DemsRFascists on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 1:17pm.
Rick's the man...
He's sick of hearing the crap, and he's not going to take it anymore, w/o firing back at the pompous bilge.
A man after my own heart. If only more elected Republicans were like him.
Meredith Whitney, clueless
Submitted by wingnut55 on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 1:20pm.
She thought that she was "empathizing with" Rick. She seemed to be clueless to the insult she had just uttered. The left is so used to insulting the Tea Party that they don't even notice when the do any more. If she doesn't wise up soon, she will give blonde women a bad name.
Angry White Woman
Submitted by Gat New York on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 1:24pm.
Clearly she is solidly in the Obama camp and sputtering the campaign B.S. now about blaming the Tea Party. She does not know where that came from? The left thinks we are all stupid.
Just more of the same from
Submitted by amyshulk on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 1:25pm.
Just more of the same from the msm - frame *ALL* TP'ers as:
"call the Tea Party whatever you will, the fringe element is, you know, I characterize freaked out white men who are unemployed and have been unemployed for three years and they're scared to death"
But note the use of "fringe" see, this is their cover, used to paint the WHOLE group as AWM {Angry White Men} but with that qualifier so if/when they have to walk it back, they have a built in "But I didn't mean ALL of the TP'ers, just the fringe"
What would a white woman who wouldn't know a TP'er IRL know what the TP is comprised of anyway?
It's good Santelli called her out though.
Ronald Reagan
It's even worse -- it's counter-intuitive
Submitted by Galvanic on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 4:38pm.
MEREDITH WHITNEY: "I would suggest that the debate is really around unemployment, and I think that, you know, call the Tea Party whatever you will, the fringe element is, you know, I characterize freaked out white men who are unemployed and have been unemployed for three years and they're scared to death. And three to four million of them are just about to roll off of unemployment benefits in the next three months. So, this is only going to get worse."
Since Tea Partiers want to reduce government spending and the size of government, why would they consist of unemployed "freaked out white men" who fear that their unemployment benefits will expire?
The notional men she describes would be against the Tea Party, not members of it. Big Government is their salvation, not their target.
And she describes herself as an analyst? No wonder the banking industry acts irrationally.
How many muni areas have actually defaulted, by the way?
Submitted by Vonu on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 1:25pm.
Ha Ha
How many muni areas have actually defaulted, by the way?
Submitted by Vonu on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 1:25pm.
Ha Ha
How many muni areas have actually defaulted, by the way?
Submitted by Vonu on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 1:26pm.
Ha Ha
Meredith TWITney, a Modern day Chicken Little
Submitted by Motormouth KOS on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 1:27pm.
Spend 5 minutes and you can find out how the Queen of Doom has been running around making dire predictions that are so ludicrous, only a 3rd rate network with the last 3 initials = NBC would have her on.
No credibility
Donkey face
Dumber than a bag of hammers.
The Obamination... A crisis leading to a catastrophe..(please donate to MRC)
dire predictions.
Submitted by mandrake on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 1:36pm.
That never happens 'round here. Just ask Dave.
Dave is a realist, Uncle, not an---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 6:37pm.
alarmist.
Far better to consider the writing on the wall and speak up about it, than to float along like a turd in the tide and have your head handed to you because you were not prepared for the bad times coming.
Even IF dire predictions are not manifested as reality down the road - 'tis far, far better to be safe (aware and prepared) than sorry (clueless, unprepared, and headless).
MD
Dave lays it down,
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:48pm.
Dave lays it down, straightforward and to the point..........and he does it with a lot of passion and commitment. Whether he is proven to be right or not remains to be seen......and I'm sure that he won't feel bad if a lot of the things that he has said DON'T happen - if you know what I mean!!!
Plus, Dave is one of those guys who rides the edge around here, and I think a few of us can appreciate that approach.
On Dave
Submitted by Unsane on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 8:37am.
I disagree with him on some topics and view him as an absolute defeatist at times.
BUT, one thing I DO appreciate about him is that one way to view what you call his "alarmism", his "dire predictions", as what CAN and WILL happen IF things are allowed to go on as they are, unchecked.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Self righteous and so
Submitted by TerryWest on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 1:38pm.
Self righteous and so disconnected, she hangs by her fingernails onto the insulting belief that American's would be pacified and quieted if only we give them something to do!
Is she playing dumb or . . .
Submitted by Lipton on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 1:41pm.
is she actually that dumb.
She wouldn't understand where that came from
Submitted by In Excess on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 1:56pm.
Because she's cluless.
I'm a Tea Partier. But I'm self employed and I'm fortunate enough to reap the benefits of my hard work.
Whitney should read up a little: http://www.slate.com/id/2253645/
55% of Tea Partiers are women.
She wants to falsely categorize the Tea Party movement in a way her little mind can dismissively handle.
Typical liberal on all fronts
Submitted by Djinn1975 on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 2:27pm.
Make predictions based on everything, but fact and data. Do that Ace Ventura thing, where he bends over and flaps his ass cheeks and talks, issue the statement or 'fact'(read: current Dem or Lib tripe) i.e. vilify and/or blame Tea Party for everything, with no support. Act surprised, indignant, or defensive when a conservative fights back and you get your teeth kicked in. The severity of reaction should be directly proportional to the number in your audience.
It's about damn time. I'm making the fight back method switch myself. Instead of the stockpile and unload method I've employed for too long, the acute, surgical precision administration devastation technique is working out quite well for me these days. My most common responses after the gaping mouth shock reaction? Bush, Rush, and general off topic and out of left field attacks, a strong majority of which have to do with the intelligence I just pounded them into submission with.
NBC
Submitted by phryingphish on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 2:31pm.
No Brain Cells
I saw that this morning. It
Submitted by bassndude on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 2:41pm.
I saw that this morning. It was great. The look on her face at the end there was priceless. She knew exactly where it came from, and she was embarrassed that Rick called her out on it.
She may not be back on for a while.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal/troll!!
Quintessential Example
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 2:49pm.
Mereditch Whitney is the quintessential example of a bubble headed liberal. She probably has a very high IQ, has plowed all her efforts into one narrow field, (in this case, muni-bonds), and has next to little knowledge about how the rest of the country functions, outside of her residential neighborhood in the upper-west side of NYC. The sum total of her knowledge regarding the Tea Party is what she absorbs while having cocktails with her social equals, who get their information from the New York Times.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
Quintessential Example
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 2:48pm.
Mereditch Whitney is the quintessential example of a bubble headed liberal. She probably has a very high IQ, has plowed all her efforts into one narrow field, (in this case, muni-bonds), and has next to little knowledge about how the rest of the country functions, outside of her residential neighborhood in the upper-west side of NYC. The sum total of her knowledge regarding the Tea Party is what she absorbs while having cocktails with her social equals, who get their information from the New York Times.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
Meredith Whitney, Liberal?
Submitted by ljacone on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 3:21pm.
I find that difficult to believe. When I read or see her stuff, she tends to be pretty even-keeled if a bit alarmist with the municipal default fiasco.
I think that she was trying to make a point specifically about the fringe on the Right but botched it very badly.
Of course I may be giving her the benefit of the doubt because I am a big fan of her husband John Layfield, both in the realm of finances as well as in the wrestling ring (John Layfield == John Bradshaw Layfield, AKA JBL, former WWE Champion).
Oh, and to Kingfish17, JBL and Meredith live in Bermuda, not NYC.
Bermuda?
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 4:22pm.
Live in Bermuda? That's a pretty long commute to anywhere in the United States. Maybe her official residence is in Bermuda for tax purposes. You sure they don't have a second home on the upper-west side?
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
Wow, Bermuda? My son was born
Submitted by amyshulk on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 7:29pm.
Wow, Bermuda? My son was born there {I was stationed at the annex} and I was told at 18 he got to choose citizenship, but if he chose American, he could not own property - only those born there could - has that changed since '87?
Ronald Reagan
You may be on to something
Submitted by Tom Blumer on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 10:49pm.
If she really claims to live in Bermuda and her advisory group is based in NYC, as is obvious (from the contact us link at the home page) ....
Meredith Whitney Advisory Group
50 West 57th Street, 2nd Floor
New York, NY 10019
Tel: 212.542.4320
General Inquiries: info@meredithwhitneyllc.com
Sales Inquiries: sales@meredithwhitneyllc.com
Media Inquiries: press@meredithwhitneyllc.com
Maybe the City of New York might want to look at how she files her taxes, and whether she really is or isn't a city resident under their extremely strict (IMO, overly strict) definitions.
Don't know how it turned out, but they were going after Derek Jeter a couple of years ago.
NYC Resident Requirements are nuts
Submitted by stunned on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:41pm.
LOL Limbaugh sold his NYC apt. because they kept auditing him every year and even with written records his accountants had a tough time fighting their attempts to all tax his income as a Resident Income when he only spent a few weeks in the city all year. The city will make it cheaper to pay the tax than pay the accountants to prove you should not be taxed.
tired of liberal lies
Bermuda
Submitted by ljacone on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 8:28am.
I know Layfield lives in Bermuda full time and flies in when he has to -- if you read his Twitter he pretty much talks about golfing and the weather in Bermuda. I am assuming they have a second residence in NY, but I am not aware of any details.
People who are concerned
Submitted by rbosque on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 3:28pm.
People who are concerned where their tax money is going aren't unemployed. If she wants to see unemployed folks, the flash mobs and rioters in London whould be the ones to follow.
London rioting: preview of what Boehner, McConnell and Reid
Submitted by lrgon on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 4:08pm.
have set in motion for America?
You missed Barry. He should
Submitted by Zippy on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 5:22pm.
You missed Barry.
He should do his job and shut up. And Stay off the TV.
When he is on TV Stocks go down and Gas goes up.
It's not the POTUS's job to tell the House what he wants. They submit a budget after voting on it. To the Senate. They vote on it. Pass things back and forth. Submit the new budget to the WH. HE signs or vetoes. That is all.
No BS news conferences. He should have stayed on the golf course.
Irgon, if Obama and congress
Submitted by bassndude on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 5:28pm.
Irgon, if Obama and congress don't quit giving our money away to countries like China, Russia, and those African countries with oil, not to mention the UN, and they mention more taxes one more time,...they will be begging for London type riots by the time we are done with them!
Some one oil up the ropes! I will plant some trees!
Save a SeAL, club a liberal/troll!!
Therefore...
Submitted by Unsane on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 8:42am.
So, you are yet another who thinks the national debt is positively a wonderful thing just so long as evil foreigners do not hold any part of it.
Got it.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Unsane,
Submitted by Agnostic on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 8:46am.
National debt is a positive when it is a foreign or domestic investment in America.
National debt is a negative when it is borrowed, printed or kicked down the road without the offset of assets (non-tangible or tangible) in America.
Granted, there is a huge difference between what the conservatives and socialist consider non-tangible assets.
Problem
Submitted by Unsane on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 9:02am.
The problem, Agnostic, is that way too many "conservatives" do not give a rat's rear about the national debt unless someone points out that a part of it is held by evil foreigners, especially if those evil foreigners are from frigging China. (For far too many "conservatives", "evil" and "foreign" are interchangeable terms anyway.)
I don't care who the hell holds the Treasuries, I want the debt paid down. Period. The End. Because If I Have To Pay My Debt, So Does The Government.
And right now, the national debt is a negative, period, because to me - again, me not caring who owns what, and me getting sick and tired of hearing about that - the national debt is a monument to Congress abusing its privileges. It is a reminder that we need to address that mess, no matter what - and then strip Congress of a privilege they have repeatedly abused.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Unsane,
Submitted by Agnostic on Thu, 08/18/2011 - 9:14am.
Sorry I didn't see this before.
You are absolutely right about the monumental mess that the Government has created with the debt. But to make a couple of points - not all debt is bad because some debt is investment and it is very important that the debt (as investment) is spread around therefore not accumulating too much under a single influence.
Like you I don't care who holds our debt but I do care why they are holding it and what percentage they hold. If they hold debt because the US needs capital to pay for spending then Federal spending needs to be curtailed and the debt needs to be paid down to the point where investors are coming to America in order to provide a stable and reliable investment for their capital. Also, though different than holding shares in a company, owning a high percentage of a debt in a nation gives undue influence - especially when there are few places to go to get more capital in times of economic difficulty.
Speaking of Congressional privileges - I think the expense accounts for every politician, staff and consultant which receives tax payer money should be posted on their .gov internet site. This would include all the amenities provided at tax payer expense like the cafeterias, gyms and medical services.
Won't happen here except in big cities run by gun-grabbing
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 9:35pm.
...dem commies, as, unlike the unfortunate Brits who are now nothing more than sitting ducks, we didn't allow our government to disarm us.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Yep,
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 9:39pm.
Sure be a lot less looters, if that happens around here.
Boudin, Yep, looting would not be a good career move...
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 9:53pm.
...here in the suburbs of East Cobb County, Georgia.
Chances are they will wind up DRT* well before someone even bothers to pick up a phone and dial 911.
-Dave
* Dead Right There
Vote for the American in November
I know
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 10:27pm.
Cobb County, is Big Boys Toys still there? Did a little trading with them some years ago.
Hmmm...
Submitted by Unsane on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 8:45am.
I wonder if it has ever occurred to our media idiots WHY the violent "flash mobs" are happening in places like Chicago, New York and other northeastern cities and why you never hear of them in, say, Cobb County, Houston, San Antonio, and other places like that.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
I Happen To Like Meridity Whitney
Submitted by Bourbeau on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 4:42pm.
Unfortunately, she went way over the tip trying to make a point, she didn't even have to make. What is it about supposedly learned people, on a nation business program during prime morning time, that can't deduce a comment like "freaked out white guys who are unemployed" will be rightfully criticized. First of all, have you ever witnessed a tea part gathering and noticed the makeup of the crowds; seems to havve alot of women there. Second; have you ever heard any of their spokespersons, many of whom are women. And lastly, how freaking insulting was it to suggest all tea party members are unemployed? Meredith Whitney owes CNBC viewers, some of who are tea party members an apology; and I intend to e-mail squawkbox@cnbc.com the first thing tomorrow morning and demand one.
New York Times
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 4:51pm.
This is proof that they deliver the New York Times to Bermuda.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
Calling Santelli
Submitted by Tjexcite on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 4:55pm.
The Father of the Tea party is a understatement as he is the spark that planned the seed and just let it grow with others doing the care and watering. He should be protective of it but he should of attacked harder than a simple inside jab, like his other triple B comment of the other day.
Whitney's Look
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 5:29pm.
After Santelli's comments regarding Whitney's Tea Party remarks, Whitney had that "deer in the headlights" look as she was inquiring,...."What did I say that was wrong?". It's obvious that Whitney isn't malicious and just wanted to smack the Tea Party around, like Chris Matthews would. Whitney is obviously just repeating everything she has ever read and heard from the liberal media.
I would be willing to bet that she does some research about the Tea Party and avoids making this kind of ignorant comment in the future. I'm sure she regrets moving her conversation away from her comfort/knowledge zone.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
She knows what she was doing.
Submitted by Zippy on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 5:25pm.
She knows what she was doing. I live near Detroit. I have to deal with these people all the time.
She feigned surprise.
She was surprised she got caught.
By the way. I think, in 2008-09 Married white men were officially a minority.
CNBC is apparently decided to
Submitted by Barack Must Go on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 6:16pm.
CNBC has apparently decided to give their sissy station MSNBC a run for their money in the head buried in Obama's crotch department.
YOU GO GIRLS .......
Clueless
Submitted by Atomic Crusader on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 6:55pm.
Fasinating video, 2012 is gonna be a blast. Both Kernan and Whitney come across as bewildered, confused, obnoxious and slightly intimidated.
Watching Kernan for as long as he's been on.
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 8:30pm.
Kernan, bewildered? Hardly. I'm guessing you missed his comments this morning about his supporters, his detractors, and Fox Business.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
"Freaked out white men?"
Submitted by AdrianVance on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 7:24pm.
Is this blond bimbo saying that only white people work? She is a real "Democratic," member of a party stupidly named with an adjective for what it confers. Well sorry, we who were educated before ""Progressive Education" dumbed down America so they could sell anthropogenic global warming and political correctness as well as higher taxes and "Hate the rich!"
For sharp political analysis, science and humor see The Two Minute Conservative at: http://adrianvance.blogspot.com Now on Kindle.
Employe or unemployed.
Submitted by Scrapiron on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 9:24pm.
If she said only whites work she would have a score of over 90% since less than 10% of blacks ever work. Every one I know today is shacking up with a 'Ho' and a pack of animals (some call them children) in government housing and eating off her food stamps. Illegal but no one in social services bothers to check and if they do they don't say anything. They have to keep the welfare rolls full or they'll lose their own cushy jobs.
Wow! Classless
Submitted by PaleHorse on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 9:54am.
So this is what passes for intellectual discourse on Newsbusters these days? Talk about unhinged. What a shame this type of commentary is allowed to be displayed on an otherwise upstanding website. I've noticed an increase in hate speech recently and nobody seems to care.
What PaleHorse REALLY means by "hate speech"
Submitted by Unsane on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 9:57pm.
Hate speech, of course, is defined as ANYTHING that runs counter to PaleHorse's beliefs.
PaleHorse, I realize you hate freedom and liberty and are disgusted the First Amendment exists, and that the United States is a representative democracy, but do you have to be that obvious?
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Usane, are you really going
Submitted by PaleHorse on Fri, 08/12/2011 - 7:16am.
Usane, are you really going to defend Scrapiron's comments? That's disturbing. I realize you're an angry person, but calling black people "animals" isn't ok. Sorry. That's not first amendment issue, it's a sickness. Pull yourself out of the gutter.
PaleHorse
Submitted by Unsane on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 8:58pm.
PaleHorse, you are just sickened that freedom exists, don't you? Besides, your use of the term "hate speech" tells me everything I need to know about you: namely, that not only do you hate freedom, but you also think the concept of individual liberties and rights is stupid and outmoded. You believe, instead, in "group rights": the idea that some groups of people simply deserve MORE rights and privileges than others.
Besides, you reveal yourself to be a racist right there. Anyone can act like an animal, and behavior is not dictated by skin pigmentation.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
PaleHorse...
Submitted by Prisondog1776 on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 10:37pm.
The poster Scrapiron never typed in his post he was calling black people "animals as you contended. So who sees racism here? I would say that it is you.
Prisondog...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 10:47pm.
Are you seriously suggesting Scrapiron did not have black kids in mind when he used the term "animals" in his post?
Jer
Jer
Submitted by Prisondog1776 on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 10:53pm.
You are a lawyer right? Do you not rely on facts? You do not just assume something and call it fact, correct? Where did he say, "black" children are animals?
I would also
Submitted by Prisondog1776 on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 10:55pm.
suggest that what do you know about what he had in his [Scrapiron] mind? Are you a mind reader?
Crimethink
Submitted by Unsane on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 10:56pm.
Ah, Jer has the power to read minds now.
Kids, pasty or not, can behave like "animals". (Hmmm. As both Jer and his new friend PaleHorse jumped all over that word, methinks their brains are more a haven for racist thoughts than any others here on NB...)
Good Shahinshah, we're not going to be able to say anything anymore. But not to worry. Jer and his new friend PaleHorse will get crackin' on that new edition of the Newspeak dictionary, I am sure.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Unsane
Submitted by Prisondog1776 on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 11:02pm.
I may be just a non-college edgumacated blue collar HACK[Horses Ass Carrying Keys]. But i do realize that when a "right winger" , "tea party" affiliate as many of us are here utter a single syllable that may be logical to us, is seen a racist to the left.
jer
Submitted by amyshulk on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 3:06am.
My head is spinning!!!
I read the post, visualized people I know like that and went to the next comment. It did NOT occur to me to assume I knew who Scrapiron visualized when he wrote that. Then my internet went out for most of the day, and I just now got caught up on all the back and forth.
You said:
"Are you seriously suggesting Scrapiron did not have black kids in mind when he used the term "animals" in his post?
Jer"
And I thought wow, I know what YOU had in your mind when you read it!
Interesting points were made, but I was surprised by your posts. Well, maybe not - instead of being offended by Meredith Whitney labeling TP'ers as freaked out *white* *men*, {since like Christians, they are a majority, so by liberal logic, can be stereotyped and vilified} you *chose* to view scrapirons posts through your own prism, and just like Dowd did with Joe Wilson's "You lie" you had to add in something *you* believed to be tacitly implied.
And then you proceeded to jump ugly and tar the rest of us as not only seeing it as you did, but that we were tacitly agreeing with it because we didn't join you in bashing!
I just had a variation of this pulled on me elsewhere, and the person demanded to know where I got my info and wanted citations/links. I replied it was my experience, so I couldn't prove it.
Bad enough I left one site where I resorted to using smilies to prevent the dark thinkers from pulling a Dowd on me, must we be subjected to it here when the issue {as cajun2 notes} is one of governments making???
Ronald Reagan
My head is spinning too, amy....
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 5:05am.
I have on several occasions denounced race hustlers like Sharpton and Jackson...and it flies over everyone's head
I continually condemn the historical race-card dealing by Democrats....and it is completely ignored
I repeatedly lament the identity and group politics of the modern Democratic party...and it's like I typed it in invisible font
[Actually MrShy doesn't totally ignore them. But he has charged it's a ploy on my part to curry favor with conservatives, that I don't really mean it when I say it but I'm trying to deceitfully portray myself as the "reasonable" lib which makes me a charlatan because I'm really a hard-core leftist at heart]
But, let me call a comment inappropriate and suggest the probability that the author had black children in mind when he used the term "animals", and I am met with thundering condemnations for being a racist, playing the race card, called an authoritarian attempting to stifle free speech who would probably use violence to do so, etc.
I wasn't "jumping ugly" on anyone who hadn't seen the comments and therefore hadn't weighed in with an opinion. There is no question I was hoping that once read, there would be more reactions like UpNorth's and cajun's [and Restless can be added to that list as well].
Jer
edit. Oh, and btw, amy...I have also acknowledged and deplored the same pathologies in the black communities which cajun delineated and addressed statistically. Again, I may as well have posted it on the "Forum That Nobody Reads".
So, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 6:04am.
having done such noble work on these threads (which no one ever recognizes, apparently) in the way of typing your fingers to the bone while working so diligently at solving the nation's race problems one post at a time, tell me, why do YOU feel you aren't getting the 'proper' amount of recognition (respect?) for all your hard work in calling out all racists, all the time, regardless of skin hue?
Or maybe you could clarify why, since you obviously believe it to be so, that you are the perennial victim on these threads?
I'm curious as to what your perspective is on why that would be.
MD
Why don't you tell me your theory, Matthew...
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 6:11am.
You're the one who has read and commented on about 90% of my posts. See if you can avoid the sarcasm which oozes from virtually every word you type.
Jer
As a liberal, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 7:43am.
you engender, ask for, and deserve, every bit of sarcasm sent your way.
Naturally, you see it as being unfairly attacked.
What a surprise.
Are your feelings hurt because I chose not to reply to ten percent of your posts?
Those were posts where you were being humorous rather than liberal.
Nothing to "attack".
MD
Well, that answers one thing...
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 7:48am.
I need to up the humor ratio to at least 30% of my posts.
Jer
jer
Submitted by amyshulk on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 6:21am.
Jer - I personally think shunning is a good thing, and have no problem with *people* choosing to shun based on their personal judgments. I do it all the time in reading comments that start out with ad hominem attacks, lack paragraphs, and/or contain atrocious spelling/grammar. I always wonder if the poster realizes his/her message is igged? I'm sure my "style" turns off some and they ig me too. So it goes.
Anyway, I think this illustrates the L-R divide, and perhaps even why you feel igged.
I am of the opinion that it's on each of us to strive to place *our* best foot forward, not to exhort others to determine which foot that might be. In judging, decrying and then exhorting us to agree with you, you are effectively asking us to give up personal responsibility. This is the big government approach - where the initial offender ends up being less offensive than the response/lack of response they elicit.
Seems to me you basically can't help it - intellectually, you know what is correct, but by reacting as you did, you show yourself. This is the issue I have with Pres. Obama. I don't listen anymore to what he says, I watch what he does.
As to this issue, when I am constantly bombarded with ad hominem attacks by those who would take my life experiences and the conclusions I've drawn to label me racist, ignorant, etc. whilst they take *their* life experiences and the conclusions they've drawn to perpetuate the "angry white male" or "religion is evil" or "if you don't believe in GW you're an idiot" memes - well, spinning head is all I can say!
Ronald Reagan
amy...I'm sorry. I'm not quite following you.
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 6:41am.
Particularly this:
Seems to me you basically can't help it - intellectually, you know what is correct, but by reacting as you did, you show yourself. This is the issue I have with Pres. Obama. I don't listen anymore to what he says, I watch what he does.
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/comment/reply/49521/1542634#ixzz1UzyMyL3B
I CAN tell you that I certainly don't make it a practice to exhort other posters to condemn the comment of another. However, there have been multiple instances where there will be a blog concerning a liberal outrage and posters will be clamoring for the NB libs to denounce it.
Anyway, what exactly are you saying I'm showing myself to be?
Jer
And, please understand, just because someone chooses to remain silent doesn't make them complicit in the poster's views in my eyes.
jer
Submitted by amyshulk on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 7:03am.
You understand the danger of race hustlers, identity politics, and the race card, yet your first response {after Palehorse posted} was to react as Dowd did to Joe Wilson. This is the disconnect. Intellectually, you get it, but viscerally, their tactics work on you.
I stopped watching BOR because he *tries* to do that to his audience - influence by emotion.
Ronald Reagan
amy...
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 7:07am.
My first response after Palehorse posted was to note that I was finally surprised by a comment posted by Unsane. That was a disconnect...how?
Jer
I like how you avoid the
Submitted by amyshulk on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 8:40pm.
I like how you avoid the heart of the matter Jer, I erred in naming it your 1st response, but I ID'ed what I was referring to!
Ronald Reagan
Well, amy, please get to the heart of the matter..
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:28am.
I try pretty hard to keep up with current events, but I missed what Dowd did to Joe Wilson so you'll need to elaborate that point. Also, please explain a bit further what you mean by "intellectually I get it, but viscerally their tactics work on me." I understand that we see things through the prism of our life's experiences, but please tell me how that phenomenon relates to my reaction to Scapiron's remarks. To reiterate, that reaction consists entirely of the following and nothing more: finding his comment inappropriate, mind-blowing, and a belief that he very likely had black kids in mind when he referred to animals. [You will note that the only negative attitude he explicitly exhibited in his two posts on this thread was directed at blacks, not whites.] And it was blacks which he was referring to when he made the improbable [to the point of being laughable] claim that "every one (black) he knew was shacked up with his 'Ho', etc"
There are times when the construction of words and phrases lends itself to conclusions of relatively equal probability. This is not one of those instances, as is rightly discerned by cajun,and UpNorth and RESTLESS. What prism of life experiences has warped the views of those three conservatives, amy? You believe I subconsciously or unconsciously am unable to resist painting words and events with the brush of race, and worse still, actively employing the tactics of the race hustlers and race card dealers. Well, you are wrong. And the accusation is offensive. I am capable of drawing distinctions, and that is the very reason I will condemn the Sharptons and the Jacksons--not as part of some theoretical or purely intellectual exercise, but with respect to real-life examples of the practice. It's the reason I not only criticize Obama for his failings as a transformative racial healer, but also for his ill-advised and inexcusable "clinging to guns and religion" comment. But, I'll likewise not be intimidated from making judgments which I think warranted and appropriate by having bogus charges of "racism" leveled at me simply because I detect the unmistakable whiff of racial stereotyping permeating the bizarre ranting of another poster. And you have a long way to go to make that case as it allegedly applies to my opinion of Scrapiron's little screed.
Jer
jer
Submitted by amyshulk on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 3:14pm.
So because I too decry the race hustlers, race baiters, and race traders, we agree on that front. Because I didn't twig to those buzzwords, and say that you inferred, I'm the one who is wrong? OK. I get that. I see things others' don't - until a week, month, sometimes years later.
You bring a very persuasive argument, since I agree context matters, but because I saw the same words and reacted differently {as in barely skimming it then on to the next comment} and as you note, few agreed with you, I guess it comes down to shades of gray and personal experience.
Just because some have used anecdotal evidence to note such a disparity to divide others should be the focus of your ire. I personally think it's futile to tell someone who experiences a disparity that they are being racist - It seems it's real for them {Scapiron in this case}.
I noted earlier shunning works for me - many I time I see the vet get into it on something that I didn't even twig on, so I know I am not as well rounded on things as he. No doubt I am less informed as cajun on this subject, but I was aware that more whites were on the dole by dint of there being more white people. And with the phenomena of the black culture adopting the prison culture, then whites adopting that culture too, a "Ho" to me knows no color. But that's my reality, I'm not even middle class. ;->
Ronald Reagan
I take it that was a compliment.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 08/29/2011 - 1:14pm.
You have a head on your shoulders as well sir. I thought about jumping in on something you were involved in last night. Everyone seemed to have a decent argument all around. So I thought it better to stay out.
When you do twig, it is noted and thought provoking.
Carry on smartly.
follow-up
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 7:12am.
Does the fact that I reject race hustling, race card dealing, identity politics, etc. mean that I've somehow forfeited my right to be offended by what in my opinion is an inappropriate remark which perpetuates racial stereotyping as described by cajun.
Jer
It just dawned on me why I
Submitted by amyshulk on Thu, 08/18/2011 - 3:46am.
It just dawned on me why I think jer and palehorse are wrong here.
You both contend this was blatantly obvious and cajun later concurs, stating it's stereotypical. OK, where is YOUR proof that this *isn't* reality for scrapiron? Aren't stereotypes given life by a grain of truth?
If yes, then the whole "dog whistle" "speaking in code" etc. is just total bs - and designed to deflect and absolve people from policing their own communities, right?
Ronald Reagan
Of course you don't see them as complicit, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 7:51am.
Your 12:12 post merely implies that those conservatives who didn't speak up are unprincipled and lacking in courage.
MD
Well that was not the impression I intended
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 3:26pm.
to give, and to the extent my wording may have implied it, I retract it and apologize for it.
Jer
Easy to make amends Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 3:34pm.
Here is a suggestion. Next time a poster or media calls TEA Party conservatives toothless ignorant racist rednecks, we will expect you to be totally incensed. Ok?
Not to worry, cajun...
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 3:40pm.
I promise my utter and unqualified indignation.
Jer
:)
Submitted by Prisondog1776 on Sun, 08/28/2011 - 11:47pm.
http://moonbattery.com/?p=1571
Obviously, Prisondog...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 08/29/2011 - 12:02am.
you and Scrapiron travel in the same circles.
Jer
Really?
Submitted by Prisondog1776 on Mon, 08/29/2011 - 12:39am.
How so Jer? Tell me. You are so much smarter than me and others here, and you compare me to another person.
I think you're smart enough to figure that one out
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 08/29/2011 - 1:03am.
yourself.
Jer
Jer - did you even watch it?
Submitted by amyshulk on Mon, 08/29/2011 - 1:17am.
Jer - did you even watch it? She was praising and explaining how to live on the teat!!! How is it racist when *they are glorifying this???
*recipients
Ronald Reagan
Sure I watched it.
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 08/29/2011 - 1:21am.
How is what racist?
Jer
Oh you got me jer - I
Submitted by amyshulk on Mon, 08/29/2011 - 1:41am.
Oh you got me jer - I *assumed* since you went on about how what scrapiron posted was racist when you said "Obviously, Prisondog...you and Scrapiron travel in the same circles." I figured you were tarring Prisondog with the same brush. Silly me.
As to the video - bragging? Satire? Social commentary?
Ronald Reagan
amy...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 08/29/2011 - 2:24am.
Why do you keep insisting that I labeled Scrapiron's post "racist"? I said he was perpetuating racial stereotypes which is no more than cajun pointed out in her post which was praised for its common sense. Now, you can either accuse her of also charging Scrapiron with racism, or you can stop accusing me of it. Fair?
Scrapiron has had nearly three weeks to explain, defend and/or clarify his comment and his intent. Yet he curiously hasn't said doodly squat. Prisondog attacked me, defended Scrapiron and at least tacitly endorsed his sentiments a couple of weeks ago. Now he for some reason has seen fit to return to this thread and present this video for my viewing. Based on its content, and his and Scrapiron's previous remarks, I think it not unreasonable to suggest they travel in the same circles when it comes to generalizations regarding black behavior.
Jer
I remember it differently but
Submitted by amyshulk on Mon, 08/29/2011 - 2:49am.
I remember it differently but fair enough jer. Now what was your opinion of that video? I watched it, then rewatched it with my son to get his take. We both got a satire vibe off of it, but at the very end, she makes me question myself.
Ronald Reagan
You needn't rely on memory...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 08/29/2011 - 3:07am.
it's all completely documented on this thread which you can review. Nothing's changed. Then you can go read the Gregory/Axelrod link which you requested and I posted hours ago for you.
As far as the video: Satire with elements of painful truths, but not particularly constructive as presented.
Jer
jer - I told you how I
Submitted by amyshulk on Mon, 08/29/2011 - 3:26am.
jer - I told you how I resorted to using smilies because people read stuff I didn't say into my posts, right? If I did the same to you, I apologize.
As to that link - which thread was it in? I don't know how I missed it, I've been looking forward to it!!!
Ronald Reagan
amy....
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 08/29/2011 - 5:45pm.
The link [and transcript excerpt] is provided in about the 10th post from the top of the following thread:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2011/08/28/gregory-hails-booker...
Someone tossed a monkey wrench into my emoticon philosophy several months ago. My approach had always been that if my facetiousness or "needling" was obvious, I generally wouldn't bother with adding an emoticon. On the other hand, if my intent were reasonably susceptible to different interpretations, I would add one to avoid any possible misunderstanding. Then I was accused of the "deceptive emoticon", an example of which would be posting a remark followed by a "kidding" or "winking" symbol when in reality I was merely pretending to be making a joking observation but actually intended it as serious and mean-spirited criticism.
Needless to say, it has complicated the practice.
Jer
I found it - TY jer! I prefer
Submitted by amyshulk on Mon, 08/29/2011 - 8:24pm.
I found it - TY jer! I prefer reading to hearing - cuts out the arrogance, lol.
As to the reverse, reverse bs vis-a-vis emoticons? OW, my head hurts!!! IMO people who think like that must always be on edge - that would be stressful!!!
Ronald Reagan
An NB milestone...I'm finally surprised by a comment
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 08/12/2011 - 10:51am.
posted by Unsane.
Jer
Jer
Submitted by PaleHorse on Fri, 08/12/2011 - 1:30pm.
It's not every day that you get to see racism defended so publicly. Part of me thinks he just read my comment without even reading what I was responding to. At least I hope that's how he came up with his response. Otherwise, him and his compadre, ScrapIron, are insane.
And you, PaleHorse---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 1:18am.
are a pussy, a la Al Sharpton.
If racist comments are indeed racist comments, they will be addressed as necessary, I'm sure, by someone whose interpretational skills regarding racial insults are far more astute than yours.
Quit whining.
It merely comes across as a phony concern for minorities.
MD
0.01 for your thoughts
Submitted by Unsane on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 9:06pm.
I find it interesting that PaleHorse thinks that only people of a certain skin pigmentation can be called "animals".
Methinks the racist PaleHorse doth protest too much.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
It is my opinion, Uns---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 9:37pm.
that people who will give Sharpton, Jackson, Wright, and Farrakhan, a pass on their obvious racist speech, but are quick to jump on all comments that they perceive as racially demeaning, by anyone who has not been properly vetted (read they, themselves), are operating under separate, but distinct delusions:
Like you, I say let racists spew their garbage, as it makes them readily identifiable.
Where I call BS is on those who would make themselves the arbiter of what is, or is not, racist dogma, while condemning only one part of the color spectrum.
MD
And you, PaleHorse--- are a
Submitted by NC Cop on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 9:17pm.
"And you, PaleHorse---
are a pussy, a la Al Sharpton."
LOL!!! Priceless, Mattewdean!!!! That's pretty much straight to the point. Not much gray area in that one!!!!
You're my favorite, brother, keep up the good work!!!!
Try again
Submitted by Unsane on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 9:04pm.
It's not every day I get to meet two people who hate freedom so passionately as PaleHorse and Jer. Fascinating to see that you attack ME for another poster's comments.
PaleHorse, I am attacking YOUR use of the phrase "hate speech". It shows me that you support censorship and that you view individual rights and freedoms with extreme contempt. Rather, it shows you support "group rights". Since Jer is defending you, I am to guess he feels the same way.
Neither of you should go anywhere near positions of power, as the both of you will use that power to force people into silence.
I think racists should be allowed to flap their gums as much as they want. Makes it easier for me to spot the idiots. I'm sorry the First Amendment so sickens both you and Jer.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Wrong as usual, Unsane...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 9:57pm.
I have stated on several occasions that I do NOT support group rights or identity politics. However, you have been consistently but falsely pigeonholing me for over four years now, so I guess there's no real reason to expect you to break your streak at this point.
It is interesting that you, the self-described paragon of free speech and champion of liberty, didn't make a peep when I had a comment which merely expressed the opinion that a statement by Rush Limbaugh "was one of the most ridiculous ones he had ever made" deleted for being "inappropriate and inflammatory", yet you will quickly man the barricades of freedom to defend the mind-blowing remark "every [black] I know today is shacking up with a 'Ho' and a pack of animals some call children".
Interesting, but not surprising, coming from a hypocritical hack ideologue such as you.
Jer
Absolutely amazing, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 10:20pm.
as it appears that all your debate (or argumentative) opponents here at NB's "falsely" pigeonhole you.
I am going to have to check my alternative dictionary for the meaning of "pigeonhole".
Ah, here it is right here:
pigeonhole - noun - a place where pigeons either reside or pick up their mail
pigeonhole - verb - what happens to a liberal on a conservative site. Considered by liberals to be a vulgar term. Considered by conservatives an effective means of making a liberal squawk like a squab. (see squab)
MD
edit
'hypocritical hack ideologue' --- phrase that is non-existent when liberals refer to other liberals, Democrats, or minorities who are commentators on any national media program
What is truly amazing, Matthew...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 10:24pm.
Is that you know very well I have stated my opposition to identity based group politics. Yet when Unsane falsely claims otherwise--and you know it is false--you still criticize me for pointing out his error.
Jer
No go on that one, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 10:45pm.
as a couple of times I have seen you don your official "that is a racist comment" suit of righteousness; the 'Curious George" fiasco, and this latest one initiated by the 'opinions' of Pale Horse.
You, in my opinion, have show inconsistency in this regard, and I do not appreciate, nor does anyone else I know of, being lectured by a liberal on racial matters.
Your bone-deep ideology aside, I am surprised that you would seize on Unsane's comments from a racial perspective, rather than the free speech angle he noted.
That smacks more than a little bit of the tried and no longer quite so successful liberal race card flicking.
Ain't buying your indignation.
MD
And I'm tired of your lies, Matthew...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 11:02pm.
I have never said to anyone "that is a racist comment"--not in the Curious George "fiasco" or on any other occasion. And killa and I both would appreciate it if you would stop bringing up again and again an incident that we ironed out and put behind us long ago.
Now I suggest you produce evidence where I have endorsed group politics [fact: I have criticized it], condoned race card playing [fact: I have condemned it], and/or accused someone of racism [fact: I haven't], or else STFU.
Now go ahead and launch into your usual apesh!t mode, but you can expect a lecture on racial attitudes every time you deliberately misrepresent mine.
Jer
You guys should be careful
Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 11:07pm.
Not to say something you might regret. Bwhahahahahaha
Yeah, yeah, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 11:53pm.
Same old crap, different day.
Speaking for killa, acting tough, making demands.
You ain't all that.
No one at NB's manages to represent you, OR what you say correctly, eh?
Is this the kind of snit fit and getting called on it that had you asking back when about a vote on whether or not you should stay at NB's, or leave?
Jesus' Cristo.
Reference the bullseyes on your chest and backside, and the huge one located in the dim recesses of your emotional immaturity; look around, and try and glean exactly where you are, liberal.
You will continually be sniped at here because of your ideology; that is to be expected.
However, when you mount your racial charger, issue either snide or direct comments on "racist comments" by others, and then claim immunity for such silliness as calling Limbaugh's tactics racist, because you "weren't really calling him a racist", your credibility is completely flushed down the crapper.
And if you said nothing to killa about his Curious George comment being racial or racially insensitive, why the brouhaha that had to be "ironed out and put behind you"? Even if you made reference to it only maybe being "racially insensitive", while you are free to comment and point fingers, don't act so surprised when you pull back a stump.
Happens occasionally, to busybody types, even if they mean well.
Painting every single disagreement with you as being either malicious in intent or absolute lies about who you are, what you say, what you mean by it, and what you supposedly "represent', is not only your opinion only, it is also indicative of someone whose only weapon is to state repeatedly "I did this - I did that - you are MISREPRESENTING me."
Phooey.
MD
Of course, you NEVER go ballistic in your posts, do you, Jer?
And if you do, it is only because you were 'falsely pigeonholed', right?
What a joke.
The authoritarians exposed
Submitted by Unsane on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 10:51pm.
Your true colors continue to come out, Jer. Both you and your new friend, PaleHorse, are sickened by free speech and have appointed yourselves the cops, to shut down what YOU deem to be "hate speech" (which could be anything. Anything at all. So much the better.). I have no doubt that both of you would love to use physical violence to force people to SHUT UP.
Congratulations. I knew you guys had an authoritarian streak...
I like it when racists flap their gums. It makes the idiots easier to spot.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Here's a suggestion, Unsane...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 11:12pm.
Instead of making your usual false assumptions and accusations about me, why don't you quote the precise words of mine which you find so offensive or prove me a "racist".
And, if you can produce me just one admin, moderator, or NB staff member who will state there is nothing objectionable about Scrapiron's comment, then I promise not to say another word about it.
Jer
Jer
Submitted by MrShy on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 11:51pm.
"And, if you can produce me just one admin, moderator, or NB staff member who will state there is nothing objectionable about Scrapiron's comment..."
What's this idiotic drum you keep banging? Why do any of us give a flying fudge what any official NB person's view of Scraps' comment is? If any (or all) of them find it beyond the pale, most of us will agree that NB is just wrong, and also kowtowing to PC nonsense.
- Shy's Remixes
Join Mr. Shy and The 1* Percent
Forgot something guys*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 11:54pm.
Not for me to interfere in the definition of "racist". There was, however, several other errors in scrapirons post.
First, 37% of the black population receive entitlements. That means that 63% of the black population work for a living. The second highest population receiving entitlements are Native Americans at 36%. By race, the lowest % of population receiving entitlements are Asians. The % of population of whites receiving entitlements is at 27%. Though only 27% of whites receive entitlements, since whites are a much larger % of the population, the welfare-food stamp rolls are majority white.
The reason you see large groups of poor blacks in an area is because of a decision 40 yrs ago, to build "projects" for the poor. In large metro areas, this we learned was not in the best interest of the children nor the community. Subsidized housing now blends the poor throughout a community which has shown to be a positive environment for black children.
Blacks have the highest % of illegitimacy and single parent homes. Lack of parenting and male role models has done great damage to several generations of blacks in this society. However, neglected and abused children sometimes can become "feral" when abandoned to the streets. Look at New Orleans after Katrina. And they were not all black. The % of blacks and white children abused or neglected is about the same overall nationwide.
If anyone would like specifics on these numbers, feel free to link any of the 300 government official websites. I'm not.
Scrapiron was making remarks that were racist based on stereotyping, not facts. The kind of statement similar where all whites are racist ignorant tea bagging rednecks made by idiot media and race baiters. The same kind of statements made with biased opinion rather than actual facts. From now on I may call scrapiron Mr Tingles for his obvious resemblence to Chris Mathews.
Employees of government agencies like Welfare Depts and CPS have no quotas. If you have a large number of applicants in one month, every employee has a very large caseload for that month. If the number of applicants or investigations of abuse/ neglect reports are low, then we had a chance to catch up on the paperwork.
If anyone resents my intrusion, as some posters have recently pointed out, then please change the subject to evolution or global warming. Neither are my expertise.
Cajun2
Submitted by 26CX on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 12:10am.
Always the calm voice of reason.
Thank you, CX...
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 12:13am.
Very true.
Jer
Thank you, cajun...thank you, thank you, thank you
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 12:12am.
Another principled conservative speaks up. Along with UpNorth, that makes two who have the courage to call out another conservative for a clearly inappropriate comment. Any more?
Jer
cajun always make sense, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 12:24am.
but for you to imply that because two, and only two, conservatives have joined with you in thought, all others here are not principled and have no courage is pretty stupid.
But then, you are a liberal.
MD
~And quite a few of us
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 10:57pm.
may not happen along till after the comment in question has been removed. Jer, your comment was, as they say, "inartfully worded".
I agree, W B...very poorly stated
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 11:28pm.
That why I tried to clarify my intent in one post [or was it two posts?], and apologized for the wording in yet another one.
Jer
edit. And since cajun would expect an exact number from me, it's actually 4 1/2 posts, counting this one.
I don't care at all for the comment, either.
Submitted by 26CX on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 12:43am.
However, I am surprised to see that some people here are assuming the word "Ho" refers to a black woman.
Isn't that stereotyping?
Double post. Sorry
Submitted by 26CX on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 12:46am.
Double post. Sorry.
Jeez Jer
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 12:57am.
Some of us just saw the comments.
Certainly inappropriate, and while he deserves to be called out, you can certainly see why some here don't wanna hear it from liberals, right? It's liberal ideas and programs that caused this mess in the first place.
Understood, Restless...
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 6:55am.
Please see my reply to amy above.
Jer
edit. And I should note CX's objection, too.
Thanks, Jer
Submitted by 26CX on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 12:35pm.
Jer, thanks for acknowledging my comment asking whether assuming that the word “Ho” only applied to black women is stereotyping. I think that stereotyping resulted in the comment that Scrapiron was calling black kids “animals” in his offensive post.
Here is what Scrapiron wrote:
If she said only whites work she would have a score of over 90% since less than 10% of blacks ever work. Every one I know today is shacking up with a 'Ho' and a pack of animals (some call them children) in government housing and eating off her food stamps. Illegal but no one in social services bothers to check and if they do they don't say anything. They have to keep the welfare rolls full or they'll lose their own cushy jobs.
and here is your response to Prisondog1776:
Are you seriously suggesting Scrapiron did not have black kids in mind when he used the term "animals" in his post?
Working backwards, accusing Scrapiron of having only black children in mind when he used the term “animals” obviously requires assuming that Scrapiron was only talking about black children. If Scrapiron wasn't only talking about black children, his “animals” comment applied to children without regard to race.
To assume that Scrapiron was only talking about black children, one also has to assume that when Scrapiron used the word “Ho” he was only talking about black women. The word “Ho” is a derogatory term without regard to race, so assuming that the word “Ho” only applies to black women is stereotyping at best.
Also, since interracial couples are now common it's hard to make the case, absent confirmation from Scrapiron, that he was only talking about black women.
So, one could make the argument that if Scrapiron wasn't talking just about black women, he wasn't talking just about black children when he called children “animals” and it wasn't a racist comment. Without knowing what was in Scrapiron's mind, arguing otherwise requires a disgusting stereotyping of black women.
I am not defending what Scrapiron wrote; I am pointing out that there is more than one transgressor in this thread. While Scrapiron's comment is patently offensive, the kind of stereotyping that occurred in the drive to convict him is equally egregious.
CX...Thank you for your comments
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 10:37pm.
I think we can all agree the following statement by Scrapiron is preposterous, patently absurd, and provably untrue: "...less than 10% of blacks ever work." Now, the liklihood of his next allegation being a demonstrable reality in my view strains credulity beyond the point where rational minds can reasonably differ: "Every [black person] I know today is shacking up with a 'Ho' and a pack of animals [some call them children] in government housing and eating off her food stamps." That assertion simply stands common sense on its head. That's why I referred to it as "mind-blowing and inappropriate"--an opinion which would obtain regardless of the color of the 'Ho' and the children. In any event, I NEVER labeled his words racist, nor did I call Scapiron a racist. I did suggest in response to Prisondog's observation that Scrapiron didn't specifically identify the "animals" as "black" kids that it was illogical to believe he didn't have black kids in mind. I still believe that. However, what you characterize as egregious stereotyping of Scrapiron, I would counter is merely drawing reasonable inferences from the totality of his remarks. Scrapiron has had several days now to deny, amend, explain, or clarify his motivations and intent. He has chosen not to do so. And yet I am the one accused--by several here--of racism and the hater of free speech.
Both UpNorth and RESTLESS called his remarks "bigoted". Notably, this is how cajun summed it up:
"Scrapiron was making remarks that were RACIST BASED on stereotyping, not facts. The kind of statement similar where all whites are racist ignorant tea bagging rednecks made by idiot media and race baiters. The same kind of statements made with biased opinion rather than actual facts. From now on I may call scrapiron Mr Tingles for his obvious resemblence to Chris Mathews." [my emphasis in caps]
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/08/10/rick-santelli-stri...
Do you honestly disagree with their assessments? Do you truly believe those are equally objectionable transgressions on the same level as Scrapiron's comment--which you acknowledge is offensive? To me, the distinctions in taste and propriety between the former and the latter are too enormous to be ignored or glossed over, and the claim of moral equivalency wholly unsustainable. I am confident with further reflection you will reach the same conclusion.
Jer
cajun
Submitted by PaleHorse on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 4:32pm.
Tremendous, well-written response. Frankly, I'm a bit shocked by the number of people trying to rationalize ScarpIron's blatantly racist drivel. I agree that we live in a society that is all to quick to play the race card, but we should all still strive to disavow blatant racism. Part of me thinks these people supported Scrap for the sole reason of going after the poster, Jer. Seems bizarre to lower yourself to such a level for the simple purpose of picking a fight.
Hmmmm....
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 6:00pm.
Can you point out how Scrapiron was blatantly racist? Why are you assuming that ONLY people of a certain skin pigmentation can be called "animals"? Hmmm?
Could it be that you yourself are a racist? I already know you believe in group rights.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Unsane, your behavior on this
Submitted by PaleHorse on Wed, 08/17/2011 - 9:02am.
Unsane, your behavior on this thread is beyond pathetic. Fighting the good fight, eh? I haven't assumed anything. ScrapIron's racism is clear as day. No assumption necessary.
I'm not assuming that only people of certain skin color can be called animals. I'm responding to ScrapIron explicitly referring to black women as Ho's and their children as "animals". He's not talking about any other race. Just black people. Are you having trouble reading the sentence? If so, read it again:
"If she said only whites work she would have a score of over 90% since less than 10% of blacks ever work. Every one I know today is shacking up with a 'Ho' and a pack of animals (some call them children) in government housing and eating off her food stamps."
When he says "every one" he's clearly referring to black people. Your feigned ignorance may be cute to your race baiting friends, but it doesn't hold water with any reasonable person. ScrapIron made a blatantly racist comment founded on stereotypes (and NOT facts). Defend away, but you're only damaging your own credibility. After this, I have trouble taking anything you say seriously.
Idiocy from PaleHorse addressed
Submitted by Unsane on Sun, 08/28/2011 - 8:36pm.
Actually, Scrapiron's comments aren't plain as day, and you are a racist for assuming what he meant. Have you tried asking him what he meant?
No, because you enjoy attacking me more, because I represent things you find sickening (like free speech and individual rights and liberties). THAT is what is truly pathetic.
You can come in here and make yourself look like a complete dumbass every day just as you have on this thread and elsewhere, and I will defend your right to do so. And I will get out of your way so you can proudly show the world you are a dumbass. The same with genuine racists. I WANT those losers talking. It makes them easier to spot, and easier to ignore and marginalize.
You don't take anything I say seriously ANYWAY because you are a knowitall Statist/Socialist with a powerful authoritarian streak who feels himself to be far superior to anyone else on NB. But that's okay. I find it impossible to take anyone seriously who hates individual rights and liberties as much as you do, as you all the while greedily suck the tits of those individual rights and liberties.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Idiocy from PaleHorse addressed
Submitted by Unsane on Sun, 08/28/2011 - 8:38pm.
Actually, Scrapiron's comments aren't plain as day, and you are a racist for assuming what he meant. Have you tried asking him what he meant?
No, because you enjoy attacking me more, because I represent things you find sickening (like free speech and individual rights and liberties). THAT is what is truly pathetic.
You can come in here and make yourself look like a complete dumbass every day just as you have on this thread and elsewhere, and I will defend your right to do so. And I will get out of your way so you can proudly show the world you are a dumbass. The same with genuine racists. I WANT those losers talking. It makes them easier to spot, and easier to ignore and marginalize.
You don't take anything I say seriously ANYWAY because you are a knowitall Statist/Socialist with a powerful authoritarian streak who feels himself to be far superior to anyone else on NB. But that's okay. I find it impossible to take anyone seriously who hates individual rights and liberties as much as you do, as you all the while greedily suck the tits of those individual rights and liberties.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Jer, like you, Pale Horse,---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 08/17/2011 - 12:20am.
seems to see "blatant" racism where others do not.
I have observed many instances of posters here going right after racist comments, but, as usual, if the comments are deemed "not stern enough" by some panty-waist liberals, they start condemning in a circle, and then whine if someone calls them on being overzealous.
Hell hath no fury like a self-righteous lib in pursuit of racial injustice, real or imagined, who can't get an "Amen" for their personal take, out of all involved in the discussion.
In my opinion, a lot of that is phony, and the recriminations are flung to camouflage crocodile tears of concern.
MD
That's pure unadulterated
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 08/17/2011 - 12:32am.
bullsh!t, Matthew. You just make stuff up based on how you imagine others think. If you dispute that, BACK it up. Stop throwing garbage against the wall to fit your phony preconceptions. Offer some proof for once...something credible rather that your slimy cheap shots which you pull out of thin air.
Jer
No, Jer, it isn't---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 08/17/2011 - 3:56am.
unadulterated anything but how I see your reactions to racism, as I noted, real or perceived.
I worked in civil service - local government - , where every single person of the caucasian persuasion had to tiptoe around horrendous job performances exhibited by Affirmative Action hires.
That is thanks to liberals, of which you are one.
Don't like it, too bad; the onus is on your side, own it.
Quit whining, it makes you look like you doth protest too much.
Not one damn thing you said proves you right or me wrong.
My 'opinion' or not, your lame attempts at stinging rebukes just tells me that I hit closer to home than you like.
Lump it.
MD
Matthew Dean's "evidence"...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 08/17/2011 - 9:35am.
Jer is a lib, therefore he must support Affirmative Action and playing the race card.
Jer strongly objects to generalizations about his perceived beliefs based solely on his ideological tilt,
Therefore, Matthew Dean's naked allegation is "proved" according to Matthew Dean.
Congratulations, Matthew, you would make Joe McCarthy proud.
You are a disgraceful ass, Matthew.
So whine about that.
Jer
Rather be a disgraceful ass, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 08/18/2011 - 3:01am.
than an Obama apologist.
Or a whiny liberal.
Liberals whine, Jer.
Donkeys bray.
Try and get it together, man.
MD
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Submitted by Jer on Wed, 08/17/2011 - 9:38am.
delete
Jer
Submitted by MrShy on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 11:16pm.
"yet you will quickly man the barricades of freedom to defend the mind-blowing remark "every [black] I know today is shacking up with a 'Ho' and a pack of animals some call children"."
That's a mind-blowing remark? What's mind-blowing about it?
Scrapiron apparently knows several black people, all of whom he knows are not faithful to one woman, and whose undisciplined and unruly children are running around like a pack of animals (kinda like the hundreds that are running around amok in many major cities in our country these days, assaulting innocent people.)
FYI, for you and the other reading impaired member, PaleHorse, he never said "blacks are animals", which PH falsely claimed he wrote.
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Submitted by Prisondog1776 on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 11:22pm.
I said the same thing. He never said "blacks" are animals but he [Jer] has the glasses of rage and hate and all conservatives must be talking points of racism glasses on. Good night all. I have had my one glass of Crown on the rocks and must bid you all farewell for the night. BTW Jer leftist are the ones who see any and all things as racist. Look it up under Democrat Party history.
Prisondog1776
Submitted by MrShy on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 11:29pm.
Yes, liberals are uptight dorks neutered by political correctness. Unsane is right, it strips us completely of independent feelings and thoughts and leads us all to one "group think" culture. Very scary.
And bottoms up to you, Pd76!! :)
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Cheers
Submitted by Prisondog1776 on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 11:34pm.
and ty
I don't care how you parse the words, Shy...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 11:31pm.
IMO, the remark is inappropriate. Why not contact Scrapiron and ask him what he meant. And I'll issue the same challenge to you I did to Unsane: Find one mod, staff member, or admin who says the comment is OK and I promise to never say another word about it.
Jer
edit. BTW...I notice Scapiron hasn't denied it.
Jer
Submitted by MrShy on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 11:44pm.
Thanks for letting us in on what you found mind-blowing and in any way egregiously inappropriate about what Scraps wrote. Oh right, you didn't.
I broke it down for you:
- He claims to personally know black people. You're calling him a liar?
- He happens to know these people intimately enough, that there's a disturbing theme common throughout each one's home: the men are unfaithful and sleeping around. What, is it "Ho's" that rankles your delicate, PC-dictated senses?
- In every household, their unruly, poorly-raised children (oh right, no healthy mother-father upbringing, and the liberal-promoted culture of zero personal responsibility, decency or values) are doing as they please and behaving like animals. Nothing there that's remotely a mind-blowing remark.
I'm totally serious when I and others ask, what has you incensed? Break it down for us.
EDIT: And you fail. No one's parsing a single word.
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Shy...Reread my challenge.
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 11:54pm.
Still stands.
Jer
Jer
Submitted by MrShy on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 12:08am.
We know your outrage stands, but it makes no sense. Help us to understand it by deconstructing what Scraps wrote.
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Shy...All you need to do is read cajun's post....
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 12:17am.
She deconstructed it far better than I could ever do.
Jer
Jer
Submitted by MrShy on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 12:47am.
All we ask is that you think and investigate for yourself.
You -- you, not cajun or another conservie -- still have not pointed to what was so "mind-blowing" about his first post, above (not the one below, that uses the clearly wrong 90% statistic, or any others made by him.)
Cajun did the work, not you, to call Scraps out on his apparent statistical errors. Cajun also sees his posts here (and has a knowledge of his past ones, it seems -- I'm not familiar with his "work" around here) as racist. But the ones here, no, I don't. Quite un-PC (and, it seems, ill-informed), yes. But heck, I see him as just angry at them and at liberals, for keeping them on the revolving-door of victimhood and welfare.
We need more of this pushback anger these days -- and yeah, from honest, non-kowtowing whites (and blacks/minorities who tell it like it is) -- to wake people up. IMO.
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Submitted by Cool Arrow on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 11:47pm.
Not from you, Jer. From me.
The winning argument is always the retort "That's racist!"
Can we also say that since Scrapiron couched his observation in racially biased terms, that the stereotype of the "entitlement dependent African American" is totally false?
Will you now argue that "Black Rage" is also false?
Will you then argue that ethnic groups couldn't possibly vote their color rather than the content of a candidate's character? Is Martin Luther King Jr. equally false?
I'm just saying there are stereotypes borne of behavioral patterns demonstrated over time. I don't have the answers.
Cool...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 11:51pm.
Why don't you address your question to UpNorth. He's the one who called Scrapiron a bigot. I didn't.
Jer
→ Sorry, Jer
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 11:58pm.
I thought you said the remark was inappropriate, an assessment with which I agree, (but obviously I can't agree with an observation you never made - how silly of me!) but I was making the observation that discourse veered sharply away from logical thought when the more easily debated "that's racist" was played.
OK, I really just wanted to intrude into this thread because here's Jer, once again, playin' the race card!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!
More classic Cool gobbledegook...
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 12:04am.
Gosh it never gets old.
Jer
Jer
Submitted by MrShy on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 12:41am.
Well, no, Cool's post is not gobbledegook at all. You're smart enough to recognize a great point when one's made, right? Or did you have I'm A Dummy Today Super Pops for breakfast?
If your opinion of Scraps' posts (both, but more to the first one, which is "milder" than the second) is that they are on some level, in your eyes, inappropriate, and you left it there, we'd be on you less.
But you jumped on here and called the first one "mind-blowing" and have further implied it was racist.
Inappropriate (which is rather subjective and all depends on each person's sense, and the context or circumstance or place something is said) is one thing. The charge of racism, quite another.
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I'm looking at other things
Submitted by Unsane on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 10:02pm.
Sorry, Jer, I was far more interested in PaleHorse's admission that he thinks group rights are more important than individual rights and his authoritarian backing of censorship than in what Scrapiron said.
If what Scrapiron said was so bad, the mods will take care of it, no problem.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Unsane....
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 10:53pm.
I will accept that explanation with one qualification. When comments are not subjected to full and comprehensive moderation, the process is sometimes selective and capricious, and a lot of stuff gets through which probably shouldn't.
When I recently requested an explanation why my comment in which the most inflammatory word was "ridiculous", I never got a response. Before that, it had been a year or so since I had PMed an inquiry. The reply I received was essentially "look, I don't have time for that [monitoring comments].
Jer
BTW, Shy, Prisondog, Unsane, md, NC Cop...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 11:48pm.
This is how a conservative responded to a similar but milder comment by Scrapiron further down this same thread. Where was your outrage then?
You really ought to change your
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 10:14am.
tag line to something like old, BIGOTED and glad of it. [my caps added for emphasis]
The timid civilized world has found nothing with which to oppose the onslaught of a sudden revival of barefaced barbarity, other than concessions and smiles." --Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
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Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/08/10/rick-santelli-stri...
Woot woot, Jer
Submitted by MrShy on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 11:56pm.
One liberal (or just PC doofus), Paleface, and one (that's one, as in 1, as in uno, as in not 2 or 3) fellow conservative thought that post crossed the line. Good for both of them. Most here will disagree. It was a bolder statement, but someone's view and idea of a statistic about blacks and, again, nothing resembling racism.
So, um.... next. What else you got to defend your continued feigned outrage over Scraps?
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Thanks for responding, Shy.
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 11:59pm.
Disregard my "cat got your tongue" post below.
Jer
Hello...Anyone still home? You too, Cool.
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 11:57pm.
Cat got your tongue?
Jer
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Submitted by Cool Arrow on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 12:00am.
Beat you to it, Jer!
→ Jer
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 12:09am.
I thought I answered your post, but apparently got mixed up in thinking you had opined that Scrapiron's post was inappropriate, but it seems you were actually making the statement that you think UpNorth's observation was inappropriate, but I'm not totally willing to go there yet.
So, in terms of overall confusion, and given my need for sleep, I'll cede this one to you.
Besides, I'm not really that into discussing racism.
No outrage, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 11:59pm.
because conservatives don't necessarily engage in the lockdown lockstep so favored by you libs.
MD
Understood, Matthew
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 12:06am.
I'll put you down in the "hypocrisy" column then.
Jer
Fine, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 12:30am.
just make sure you put yourself in the "self righteous race war twit" column.
MD
Jer 2
Submitted by MrShy on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 12:06am.
There is a problem with black men and black families. Okay? I know you know.
I just came from the basketball courts, where a black friend half-joked (well, less than half, really) that he doesn't think he'll ever marry his girlfriend who just had a child with him, because it's just not what black men do. Yep. They are proudly announcing that this is not just a stereotype, admitting they have a problem. And he's giving us all a chuckle in the process.
Remove the stick from your tight backside, Jer. I also need to tell all my lib friends to do the same.
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Submitted by Jer on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 12:21am.
go read cajun's post. It's a slam dunk.
Jer
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Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 12:26am.
There are serious problems in the black community. Read blogs by Thomas Sowell, Walter E Williams, Deneen Borelli, and Larry Elder just to name a few. They are all conservative blacks that have, for years, tried to undo the damage done by people like Sharpton and Jackson who wish to portray problems in the black community as all whites fault.
By continuing to portray blacks as victims, unable to succeed on their own, dependent on the government because of evil whites, generations of this victimhood has young blacks living down to those expectations.
Black men do not marry the mother of their children as part of the black culture for several reasons. For decades, poor blacks receiving welfare, food stamps, and public housing lose all those benefits or receive less if they are married. The father's income is then counted against the family eligibility. Note that black men are among the lowest paid wage earners. Add education as a lessor priority, increase the $ amount of entitlements, change regulatory agencies rules regarding child support, and blacks incorporated these government/nanny state ideas and absorbed them into their social culture .
Some of the black leadership in this country have figured this out and are trying to make a difference in the black cultural beliefs. It will take generations to undo the damage done from generations of nanny staters playing to the black victimhood. The solutions will be very difficult but typical liberal elitist believe just throw more $ at the problem and keep them in the projects, put planned parenthood clinics in poor neighborhoods, are all just ways of denying the real issues.
We need to hear and see more of Tim Scott and Herman Cain and a hellava lot less of Sharpton and Jackson.
cajun2
Submitted by MrShy on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 12:38am.
"We need to hear and see more of Tim Scott and Herman Cain and a hellava lot less of Sharpton and Jackson."
Absolutely! Man, I hate liberals and today's Democrats with a passion. I find them, and what they are doing (on just about every level), thoroughly repugnant.
And now, an aside (a complete aside) ... Lee Remick is (was) insanely hot. She's on TCM now :)
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Shy...
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 4:53am.
You say [as you have said in the past] that you hate liberals and Democrats. So has Matthew. Read my response to amyshulk. Do you still feel that way about me [being a charlatan]? If so, how can I expect a fair hearing from you if I were to :"deconstruct" Scrapiron's comments. It would be pointless for me to do so. On the other hand, if your opinion has changed from what you have stated previously, then I will give you my views on his remark and what bothered me about it and why.
Jer
Shy...and another thing
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 5:14am.
Apparently if a conservative like cajun, or UpNorth or Restless objects to Scrappy's remarks, that's fine. But if I object, then I'm crossing the line, making improper assumptions, playing the race card, etc., and generally bashed like a pinata. So tell me again about the "trying to stifle free speech" thing.
Jer
Jer
Submitted by MrShy on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 1:48pm.
I'm still waiting on you to point out what was "mind-blowing" in that first post by Scraps.
If you'd just rather not return the favor of deconstructing it, which I did, just say so. All this blather about your past exchanges with other posters, and what other conservie's thoughts are on Scraps (based on his cumulative posting at NB) is just another Jer Diversion -- which we're all very used to here.
Let me know.
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I've already let you know, Shy....
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 3:23pm.
I'm awaiting your response to my previous question about whether your past opinion of my motivations, sincerity and intellectual honesty remains your current view. If so, a deconstruction is pointless. Otherwise, I'll gladly provide it.
Let me know.
Jer
Jer
Submitted by MrShy on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 3:53pm.
Thanks. You won't deconstruct it for us. We'll move on.
This is never about you. It's about the issue, case by case, we're focusing on and attempting to get to the core of as much as we can.
- Shy on Vinyl
Join Mr. Shy and The 1* Percent
Shy....
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 6:46pm.
So I see your opinion of me--that I'm a fraud--hasn't changed. That's unfortunate and disappointing. What is the sense in attempting to persuade someone of the efficacy of my argument or the validity of my views or the soundness of my interpretation if my motives and my honesty have been negatively prejudged. To that extent, the issue becomes unavoidably about me. Obviously, I wish that weren't the case.
Jer
How did I get dragged into
Submitted by NC Cop on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 10:35pm.
How did I get dragged into your circus, Jer?
Exactly what outrage are you referring to?
If I do see an idiotic comment, like Scrapiron's, I ignore it, like the posts of many of your leftist comrades who troll here.
Thanks for being the self-appointed enforcer of right wing self righteousness, though, we can all sleep a little better.
NC Cop....
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 11:05pm.
Only because at that point you were one of the ones who had entered the fray on that side of the issue, so I was addressing that one post to everyone whom I was then aware was within that group. Don't make too much of it.
Jer
I'm thinking Scrapiron is a troll...
Submitted by Phryj1 on Mon, 08/29/2011 - 2:32am.
...and judging from the massive verbal brawl trailing from his comment, a wildly successful troll at that.
Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.
Especially since he has only posted
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 08/29/2011 - 2:44am.
one comment in five years.
Actually, there have been others. I've read quite a few of them and they were generally inflammatory. I could have sworn that several of those occurred since the site redesign wiped out the archives, so it is strange that the one on this thread is the only one "tracked". Either he had a bunch deleted or I am mistaken about the timing of the others.
Jer
Exactly, Jer
Submitted by Phryj1 on Mon, 08/29/2011 - 3:01am.
If he did make other comments, he probably deleted them before anyone had a chance to reply and lock them from being changed or deleted, presumably to avoid getting banned by the admins. Also, he's been gone for nearly 20 days. Hit-and-run behavior is a troll hallmark.
Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.
good catch Phryj*
Submitted by cajun2 on Mon, 08/29/2011 - 8:52pm.
Since I have been away from NB for several weeks, it is a surprise that scrapiron did indeed raise a rukus, (sorry mon ami) and several posters have invoked my name several times.
I did not attempt a discussion of any "racism" in scrapirons post. My intent was to explain, which I am sometimes unable to convey very well, is that people have different points of view and experiences. Sometimes, with inaccurate information, those limited experiences added to stereotypes, leave an assessment or opinion of certain groups based on misinformation.
The majority of blacks in this country are decent hard working people. But there is a large segment of the black culture that has been "GROOMED" for political and ideological agendas, to push for ingrained cultural beliefs that support the race baiters in order to continue that agenda. Be it victimhood, evil whites, evil rich, eugenics, building a political base toward race rather than policy, to me is as evil and destructive to that cultural group as is blatant racism. Some of the "stereotypes" invoked about the black culture is not necessarily racist but rather an accurate description of severe problems in that culture.
The media, the "black leadership", the race baiters are as responsible for the negatives in the black community as are those who perpetuate inaccurate stereotypes. We now have a cadre of politicians, race baiters, and a media, that now make a great deal of money from pushing race baiting and racism as cause of all problems in the black community. This makes those problems self perpetuating since no actual identification nor attempts at solution are directed toward those problems.
Those in the black community that are speaking truth, that are identifying real problems in the black culture, are being attacked, by the media and members of the "cadre" that benefit from the continued race baiting. They are being ostracized, pressured to be quiet, and ignored by the media. In several of my posts, I have listed names of those black leaders who see the troubles coming due to ignoring the real problems in the black culture. They are Star Parker, Alveda King, Walter E Williams, Larry Elder, Thomas Sowell, Allen West, and many others, that have spoken honestly and truthfully about the problems in the black culture. They are the experts, not I, and they also have the experiences, and points of view, that not many of us here can say we have experienced. But there are similarities in that they go to work, have families, raise their children, overcome obstacles, pay taxes, serve their country, go to church and live within certain boundaries.
Those are the people who should be getting the media's attention but it does not sell their agenda. What NBer's can do is give those people a voice, spread their words, and silence people who spread inaccurate information in order to maintain a political base comprised of a dependent, ignorant, "victims" culture for the express purpose of using them to further their socialist elitist agenda.
See, my posts were not really about stereotyping nor racism. My posts were intended to show the organized efforts by those in this country, to use blacks to further their evil agenda. Sorry that I did not express that well enough and helped cause a "rukus"....Is that tendency infectious or inherited?...;-)
cajun2
Submitted by amyshulk on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 12:25am.
You said: "people have different points of view and experiences. Sometimes, with inaccurate information, those limited experiences added to stereotypes, leave an assessment or opinion of certain groups based on misinformation."
So which came first? If I experience something, then later speak to someone who lives in another place {county/state/etc.} and we find there are marked similarities in our observations, are we then stereotyping?
I've observed many things over the years that the media ignored or outright denied, well, they did UNTIL someone in academia or science made the same observation, then they believed it.
So are we to wait, with our minds and mouths zippered, until an elite tells us a subject is OK to discuss? I'm not angry with you, and I didn't take your post to be affirmation of jer's point {which I'm still somewhat hazy on} because I think we ultimately agree on the root issue here.
My problem is when well meaning people lose sight of the root issue to squabble about minutia. As I said before, shunning works for me. If someone crosses the line, I cross them off my list. No drama. Just an old fashioned attitude check.
Ronald Reagan
Miss Amy*
Submitted by cajun2 on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 12:38am.
You singled out my first paragraph. Perhaps I should have used the world "generalizations", as that may change the point from "stereotypes". Both are often based on limited or skewed information is the point I was trying to make. The rest of my post tries to explain that. Some of scrapirons "racist" comment were factual errors of % but not necessarily an inaccurate portrayal of certain aspects of the black culture. That is why I did not spend much time on the "racist" aspect of his post. It may not have been intentional but limited to his experiences.
For those who do have limited experiences in trying to make honest assessments, there are studies and statistics available. No one is entirely wrong on any level. I simply tried to clarify some of his errors and focus on the causes for the many serious problems in the black culture and some of their causes which are , in certain professions, of great debate.
cajun2
Submitted by amyshulk on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 1:20am.
I agree with you on your main point - you were addressing the issue of being misinformed and acting on it.
I apologize for going off - it's just that I responded because your post gave me an opportunity to express something that I'd been thinking about off and on all day.
I *want* to be more informed - I found I actually enjoyed learning when I went to college, as opposed to when I was 16 and thought I knew it all ;-P
The main reason I didn't vote until last year was because I didn't feel I was well informed. While I feel good about finally voting, I also know I didn't have all of the info available to make a *truly* well informed decision, but if I'd of waited until I did think so? I'd never ever vote.
Life is like that. We have info and our experiences. When someone else validates our observations, it doesn't occur to us to find opposing opinions, we are just grateful we aren't alone IMO.
Will this lead some to ignore those opposing opinions? Sure. I *try* to guard against that by reading everything I can find on a subject, and by watching Morning Joe, where my worldview is belittled at times. Talk about generalizations - they make a lot of those on that show!
Anyway, I do try to see things from different POV's. Sometimes to the point of inaction on my part, where dissension from what I thought to be true makes me question my stand. Voting helped me to break out of this stasis, and to find my voice.
Ronald Reagan
Interesting Amyshulk*
Submitted by cajun2 on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 6:52pm.
A comment from a poster with total honesty. A rare occurrence indeed but most enjoyable. Dissension is not a bad thing if done with respectful exchange of ideas. It presents a learning opportunity. Some call me "contrary" but I always simply like to throw in a different pov, not necessarily the same thing as criticism or disagreement. Cajun so loves to learn new things as well. enjoyed this exchange MsShulk.
We are very alike I think. I
Submitted by amyshulk on Wed, 08/31/2011 - 1:51am.
We are very alike I think. I see and speak to multiple POV''s, so that sometimes it's seen as *my* POV, when I'm just trying to expand my knowledge.
When I 1st joined NB, I was afraid to speak, afraid of backlash. Then I saw thousands of brave people stand up and espouse what I knew to be true. Their bravery emboldened me, and to speak honestly is the *only* thing I can and must do.
Ronald Reagan
Typical..
Submitted by USA4freedom on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 8:21pm.
That is so typical. It is so common to insult the Tea Party that they don’t even know when they do..
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, the Republican party.
Clueless....
Submitted by krgreen64 on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 8:58pm.
As I have said to my friends and family ('Bout disowned by now....lol) The MSM is clueless about the Tea Party. I am a full time employed, black man, conservative and hell yes I'm Tea Party. I've been to three rally's in two different states. I didn't see many blacks there, but a few and everything they print about the Tea Party's I did not and have not seen. But what I did see were "People" who felt as I felt and worked like I worked. So every time I see and hear the MSM call the Tea Party names they are talking to me! and I'll do my talking in 2012!
You can do some talking before 2012
Submitted by Lipton on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 9:15pm.
I really don't want you to get disowned by your family, but if you want to get active to change the Republican party you can look into The Concord Project or American Majority. Both are online. There is also a group based in Texas that is run by and targeted to the black community. I think it is www.ragingelephants.org, but it maybe a .com. I dont't know. It is a nationwide effort. Thanks for your thoughts on the tea party.
Welcome Mr Green*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 9:19pm.
A TEA Party conservative is most welcome here. You have only been here a week, watch out for the trolls.;-)
Welcome,
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 9:21pm.
Your right,
and I'll do my talking in 2012!
Me too
krgreen64
Submitted by Prisondog1776 on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 10:49pm.
Amen my fellow American. Too many people are playing this race card to divide us Americans which is what we are. Not black, white, latino, asian, green, purple, orange whatever. We are Americans. And the skin color is a tired argument. Thank you for your post and BTW have you seen the Black Tea Party Movement? http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/07/black-tea-party-patriots-protest...
Thanks Rick
Submitted by acumen on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 9:19pm.
Merideth 'Muni' Whitney - "I was empathizing with people who are unemployed."
Yeah, right. Amazing how quickly "freaked-out white men" morphed into "people" when offering her lame mea culpa. Be careful Muni. Don't want to freak out those momma grizzlies too.
Well look who stuck his nose in
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 9:35pm.
WHERE have you been? We missed you!
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Hey J
Submitted by acumen on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 9:47pm.
Been missing you guys too.
Broke down and bought a blow boat to escape the commie takeover. 1989 Island Packet 31 Cruiser.
I'll send you some pics if you still have the same email address. If not send me a PM.
Angry unemployed black man....
Submitted by Scrapiron on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 9:17pm.
To be an angry unemployed black man you first have to have been an employed black man, something 90%+ can't say.
Scrapiron. We get it. You
Submitted by PaleHorse on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 9:58am.
Scrapiron. We get it. You hate black people. Perhaps Storm Front would be a site more suited to your opinions. Take your drivel elsewhere. You're a disgrace.
You really ought to change your
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 10:14am.
tag line to something like old, bigoted and glad of it.
Look, take you bigotry somewhere else
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 12:52am.
I don't give a damn how old or retired you are, your comments here are inappropriate, as well as just incorrect.
You see, pieces of shit come in all colors. You're proof of that.
BTW RESTLESS and other persons of interest...
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 5:48am.
Where have all of Scrapiron's archived comments gone? He has been here over 5 years. I have read numerous posts of his for quite awhile now...many of which were fairly inflammatory. Tracking now has a grand total of ONE entry--his comment on this thread.
Very strange.
Jer
edit. Maybe he hasn't posted a comment since the site redesign last October, but that's hard to believe
Pow
Submitted by Kansasgirl on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 9:24pm.
Rick doesn't mince words. The progressives are becoming deranged. Hehe.
Meredith Whitney
Submitted by kentex1146 on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:27pm.
And this broad is supposed to be 'intelligent'?
Santelli
Submitted by Dennis D on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:50pm.
This gal just doesn't get it. Clueless as to why Santelli was angry. What she said was very offensive to me and I am employed.
Way to go, Rick Santelli! I
Submitted by Perseus317 on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 3:50am.
Way to go, Rick Santelli! I am NOT unemployed. I am retired, after working hard for most of my life, and accumulating a small nest egg of MY OWN MONEY. Like Rick, and the rest of the Tea Partiers, I am insulted by these pompous elitists who don't know squat, but insist on pontificating as if they have the only hotline to the truth. (Kinda neat, the way that Santelli exposed this so-called expert's poor judgement by reminding her of the muni default prediction.) Lastly, why doesn't someone brand Whitney's comment as racist? She clearly was injecting race into a situation that had nothing to do with race. Oh! That's right. Liberals can play the race card any time and in any situation, without having any accountability for their inflammatory rhetoric, no matter how inaccurate.
running scared
Submitted by robertg222 on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 5:39am.
Face it. The Tea Party scares liberals more than a wooden stake and garlic does.
After enduring that breathtakingly reckless
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 6:05am.
episode of destructive bravado exhibited during the debt-ceiling fiasco, you're damn right they scare me. Hopefully, they'll start acting more like mature statesmen rather than a mob of mischievous teens. The standing of the Tea Party with the general public took a serious hit as a result of this recent debacle. One more stunt like that and the movement will be reduced to nothing more than a calamitous political footnote to American history.
Jer
Good luck with that Jer,
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 7:44am.
75% of the folks want spending cut!
The standing of the Dimwits with the general public took a serious hit as a result of this recent debacle.
Fixed it for ya. You will see
That's true, too, Boudin...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 7:58am.
But when there is an impasse, it would be better to decide issues like debt reduction through the electoral process. The GOP has a good chance of regaining total control of the government, anyway. The brinkmanship foolishness was not the appropriate way to set policy.
Jer
→ Brinksmanship
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 8:17am.
The way you write it, it's almost like the Democrats didn't engage in any brinksmanship at all.
Is that your belief, or were you just slanting the narrative?
It also assumes the
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 8:53am.
Tea Party were not honestly trying to divert this disaster. Remind us all Jer, of what the dimwits did to prevent the downgrade?
Cut spending now
And didn't S&P SPECIFICALLY
Submitted by NC Cop on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 9:06am.
And didn't S&P SPECIFICALLY cite spending and "entitlements" as a reason for the downgrade?
Seems those Tea Party "extremists" were right.
For The Party Hack
Submitted by Unsane on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 8:52am.
Hey Party Hack, I realize that the biggest thing that pisses you off about the Tea Party is that it represents political opposition, because you believe that America is at its best when ruled - ruled, NOT governed - by your party, but YOUR BELOVED PARTY has had nearly 900 days to write a frigging budget. Yet they refuse. And yet you stupidly attack your political opposition?
If a corporation attempted to run its finances the way your party has run America's finances just over the last 900 days, you would be DEMANDING their heads. But since this is your beloved Democratic party we are talking about - why, they are 1000% above any criticism whatsoever. Right, Jer?
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Sorry.
Submitted by PaleHorse on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 10:00am.
The Tea Party's only goal is to prevent Obama from achieving anything. They are obstructionist and they'd rather see the country suffer to win elections than work to improve our current course. The recent debt ceiling debacle illustrated this clear as day. They don't care about any of us, they only care about re-election. It's shameful.
Correct for once, Horsie.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 10:06am.
We know exactly what Obama wants to "achieve."
LOL!!! That's priceless
Submitted by NC Cop on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 10:14am.
LOL!!! That's priceless PaleHorse. Please tell us all what Obama is trying to achieve.
NC Cop, I can't quite figure
Submitted by PaleHorse on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 2:28pm.
NC Cop, I can't quite figure that out myself. The bail out was a total joke and an utter failure. He spends too much time listening to his advisers. As far as I can tell, he can't make a move without consulting with 30 people. That's not a good quality in a leader. I think Obama blew it big time. I don't buy all the socialist hype and try to avoid sensationalist rhetoric. I only judge him on two factors: The economy & jobs. He failed on both fronts. Take natural gas, for instance. He had a tremendous opportunity to get behind this form of alternative energy and he blew it. Talk about a huge potential for job creation. Instead, he bowed down to the shrine of big oil like all of his other feckless political cohorts and missed a strong chance to revitalize at least one sector of the American economy.
Had the Republicans not manufactured a national debt "crisis", Obama would have been guaranteed only one term. Instead, they now own the economy and everything that happens from here on out. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Big Oil
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Sat, 08/13/2011 - 11:30pm.
ExxonMobil spent 41 Billion to acquire XTO energy, a natural gas company. But I suppose you're going to tell me that ExxonMobil spent all that money just to shut down natural gas production so they could keep the price of gasoline high.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
So you know the Tea Party was
Submitted by NC Cop on Sun, 08/14/2011 - 10:44pm.
So you know the Tea Party was out to stop Obama from achieving his goals, but then turn around and admit you don't know what the goals are.
Brilliant.
Pale
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Wed, 08/17/2011 - 8:19am.
Most companies are drilling for oil and gas, most of the time out of the same wells. Where you find oil, you will find gas. When oil is at a premium, they drill for oil, when oil declines they switch over to gas, as gas prices usually go up when oil prices drop.
In light of this, your assertion that big oil has anything to do with President Downgrade's opposition to gas drilling makes no sense. President Downgrade just doesn't want drilling.
In spite of this, domestic drilling is actually increasing, just moving on shore due to the moratorium on off shore drilling.
Behold, a Palehorse . . .
Submitted by Free Stinker on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 10:22am.
. . . and the one who used that moniker was Dense, and talking points followed with it.
Shameful is what to call your intentional ignorance. Obama is trying to achieve redistribution of wealth, and the Tea Party is damn well trying to stop that!
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
Pale, Pale, Pale...
Submitted by Unsane on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 11:34am.
Actually, by by preventing His Majesty The Shahinshah, your God, from doing anything, the Tea Party shows they care very deeply about the country. I revel in their obstructionism. I realize, PaleHorse, that you are helpless and are desperate to turn over your political and economic freedoms to the President because you think He is in office to pamper and baby you, but rest assured I do not. We don't have ENOUGH obstructionism as far as I am concerned. The more, the better.
By the way, who exactly prevented Him from coming up with a budget and getting it passed in the past 900 days? The Republicans have only held the House this year...
And if anyone is obsessed about re-election, it is His Majesty The Shahinshah. Nice try at projecting your God's failings onto the Tea Party though.
You may go back to Kos and get new marching orders now...
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Tell me Unsane, why was the
Submitted by PaleHorse on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 2:31pm.
Tell me Unsane, why was the national debt debate so urgent? Why did it have to happen now? It was purely political. Election politics and nothing more. What is it going to take for you to realize that neither side cares about you? All this us vs. them BS is blinding otherwise rational people to the reality of our current situation. Politicians care about only one thing...themselves. The quicker we realize that, the quicker we can get this country back on track.
For our new intellectually dishonest poster
Submitted by Unsane on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 3:49pm.
Tell me, PaleHorse, why is intellectual honesty something completely beneath you? You clearly hate the Tea Party for daring to organize and form political opposition, which bothers you immensely. According to your own post, everyone is supposed to SHUT UP and let His Majesty The Shahinshah do as He damn well pleases. If He wishes to run up the national debt to $999 nonillion, you will cheerfully support Him and demand that we do the same.
The rest of your post is just pure drivel. Want to get along with me here? Then I suggest you learn to stop talking down to me and others. And I simply love your sudden feigned independence ("neither side", you say, cares about me) when you have already revealed yourself to be a Shahinshah apologist.
But you follow that up at the end with your whine of "all this us vs. them BS". I think that what really bothers you more than anything else is the fact that this is a representative democracy, where disagreement happens and in fact is necessary. Your God, His Majesty The Shahinshah, your thinking and the media's thinking notwithstanding, was not elected PFL in 2008, nor is He a King or a dictator. Maybe your real problem is that the United States is a representative democracy. Maybe you ought to try another country with a system of government that is more your speed.
I close with this: for me, the national debt issue has been gnawing at me for some time. We now have a country whose debt equals the size of the economy. Japan has a debt which is 200% of its GDP and they aren't doing all that well. Neither is Italy with a debt of 120% of GDP. Maybe the events at Syntagma Square look really cool to you but they don't to me. I'd really prefer to see to it that scenes like that aren't replicated at the National Mall one day. And one of the things we need to do in order to address this is to focus government on what it does best. Being a charity and babying people are not what government does best.
Save it: I don't really care at this point how we got here. We're here now. Let's pay our bills. I have to pay mine. Why is the government any different? Why aren't we demanding government spend OUR MONEY efficiently as we demand the corporations we pay for the products and services we buy?
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
"The Tea Party's only goal is
Submitted by amyshulk on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 12:02pm.
"The Tea Party's only goal is to prevent Obama from achieving anything."
Really? Here I thought I was a TP'er because I want to SAVE us, not destroy a politician!!!
I've said it before - congress has the power, he's basically a figurehead {yeah, I know, he can appoint to the Supreme Court} so my focus is lifting UP, not tearing down - sounds like projection to me, with wanting to "Kill Romney" and all!
Ronald Reagan
No Jer
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 12:15pm.
"Statesmen"? Like whom? John Kerry?
If we'd had it ALL our way, we wouldn't have the Obama Downgrade. We'd have had REAL budget cuts and entitlement reform.
There's this thing called principle. We elected the Tea Party freshman to do what they did. And when the Tea Party is a majority within a majority, that's when you can kiss your social programs and wanton spending goodbye for good.
Liberals and democrats are right to be scared.
I'll bet you $20 there are MORE seats in Congress filled by Tea Party backed candidates after the 2012 election. That ought to prove that your opinion re: Tea Party is just a liberal dream. Democrats are going to take a shellacking that makes 2010 look tame.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Senate
Submitted by Unsane on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 3:51pm.
What I can't wait for next year is seeing what will happen to the Senate. The Dems have more vulnerable seats than the Republicans do as the class that got elected in 2006 face the music. Jim Webb has already said "no mas" and more, I suspect, are to follow.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Jer
Submitted by Par for the Course on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 3:05pm.
Jer, I agree with what Keith Hennessey has to say:
Jer - so in the late 70's
Submitted by amyshulk on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 3:57pm.
Jer - so in the late 70's early 80's we had this *same* convo {basically all of the same crises: oil, debt, environment, global whatever it's called today, etc.} and because none of them were *really* solved, they've waxed and waned over the years, and with the massive spending on credit by Bush, and taken into hyper drive by Obama, of COURSE it's front and center again!!!
And you think it was "manufactured"? Why? Because that's the left's playbook re: global whatever it's called today and the environment?
Ronald Reagan
Hold on, amy...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 8:44pm.
"Manufactured"?
Where? When? What the heck are you talking about?
Jer
Sorry jer - I was reading 2
Submitted by amyshulk on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 9:19pm.
Sorry jer - I was reading 2 threads and responded to palehorse but had your name in my head - mea culpa!!!
Ronald Reagan
Ok...
Submitted by retrocon on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 7:15am.
Can we please just get to the damn revolution!
I'm tired of blogging.
(if we're really jobless, we don't have much else to do, anyway, right?)
Not a bad idea, retrocon...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 7:51am.
Should we choose up sides like a pick-up basketball game, or would it be better to just immediately commence a gigantic free--for-all?
Jer
Jer, We can choose sides,
Submitted by JoeBob on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 9:15am.
Jer,
We can choose sides, but Dems gotta be "shirts" instead of "skins". Be against the Geneva Convention, otherwise.
Basketball?
Submitted by retrocon on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 2:40pm.
Basketball?
Hmmm, racist comment.
i've got a better idea, those who actually understand and practice the literal meaning of the US Constitution (including all the, ahem, Amendments) vs. those who don't.
retrocon...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 8:43pm.
I take it you're on the side of those who are so enamored of the Constitution that every year or so they are proposing yet another amendment to it.
Jer
Yes...
Submitted by retrocon on Fri, 08/12/2011 - 5:18pm.
I am enamored with the Constitution. Is it perfect? No, but it does have a way to change it if we want to change it.
Fact is, "amendments" are the way to change it, not dictatorial judges in black robes pretending to be smarter than "we the people."
So, offer up all the amendments you want, those that meet the requisite standards defined in the Constitution, will amend the constitution.
Problem with the left, Jer, is that they want to be dictated to, so they want judges to tell us what we want the Constitution to say, not what it really says.
I see. Even though the GOP
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 08/12/2011 - 6:10pm.
I see. Even though the GOP has appointed the majority of the federal judiciary and SC justices over the past 45 years, they haven't always interpreted the Constitution as you preferred. So you've decided to reshape the document to your liking via the amendment route. Well, keep trying. Maybe one of these days you'll get it just right.
Jer
Jer
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 8:09am.
So they scare you, but Senator Reid, who admits his refusal to vote to raise the debt ceiling was strictly political, doesn't scare you?
That Barack Obama did the same as Harry Reid doesn't scare you?
So it scares you when people stand by their beliefs and the beliefs of the voters who voted them in, but you're just fine with admitted deceivers whose votes are later admitted to have been for sale.
Yes, Jer. You should be scared. You're running into people with principles, rather than career politicians who just love the theater.
She seems to be upset because
Submitted by Thoreau on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 8:27am.
She seems to be upset because she's called out for being a racist whore. Because she is a racist whore.
→ I'm employed
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 8:33am.
I'm employed. Fairly secure, but not rich. I'm also Tea Party.
I am white, have a job and am very much a woman
Submitted by Lipton on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 9:33am.
I am part of the tea party. Why are they making such an effort to avoid mentioning the women in the tea party? There are a lot of women in the tea party.
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Submitted by Free Stinker on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 10:23am.
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Because, if the Make Believe
Submitted by Free Stinker on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 10:13am.
Because, if the Make Believe Media admitted the large number of women and minorities at Tea Party rallies, it would quickly demonstrate their lies about Tea Partiers being racist.
It could also be that the Make Believe Media says "minorities" and what they really mean is "African-Americans". They don't seem to think of Koreans, Chinese, Navajo, Tamil, Polynesians, etc etc etc etc when the use that word.
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Cajun is confused again*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 1:13pm.
Our economy is in the tank because of reckless fiscal policy of the last 50 yrs by both parties. In Jan 2011, 25 fiscal conservatives were elected to the House. According to the media, these "terrorists" were elected by the TEA Party.
First, the TEA Party is not a "party" only a group of like minded people trying to have a voice. There are 535 members of Congress yet they see a threat from 25 members who have only been there 8 months!
I now know why they call it "spin". Their constant lying has my head 'spinning"
Never mind
Submitted by goodone91 on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 8:05pm.
Never mind.
white females.
Submitted by jollyroger on Fri, 08/19/2011 - 5:50am.
I'm so sick and tired of hearing white females talking about white males as if they (white females) were some kind of "poor oppressed minority" the way blacks and others often pawn themselves as being. White females should thank god for the white man. Try living with your precious blacks and Muslims and Asians, etc, in some third world nation, having to deal with the sexism and anti-female discrimination in those parts of the world. In the west, white females are the main benefactors of affirmative action, anti-discrimination law, and constantly have their butts kissed by the liberal elite media.
Please "ladies", if you don't like living with white men, go live in a black neighbourhood with all those "happy" black men; you know, the neighbourhood with all those flash mob riots and rapests and racist attacks on whites, etc. Don't be too concerned though, i'm sure the blacks only want to show you how different they are from the "nasty evil angry white man".
"if civilization were left up to women, we'd all still be living in mud huts".
Camille Paglia.
sick and tired says jollyroger*
Submitted by cajun2 on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 4:16pm.
No where in your postal rant did it ever occur to you that the only reason you exist is some "white woman". And you dam* right we should have our butts kissed every day . Just giving birth to a world of disappointment like you is not what I would call "affirmative action".
Hey Jolly....
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 3:10am.
Why don't you bugger off? All by your lonesome?
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~I think a certain someone's ex
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 09/05/2011 - 8:31pm.
got all his stuff in the settlement.
Not so jolly roger
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 6:39pm.
Interesting. It seems you have only contaminated 2 threads with your misogyny in the past 51 weeks that you have been a member of NB.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
My woman
Submitted by Boudin on Mon, 09/05/2011 - 8:57pm.
Thanks me, all the time. Kisses me and does other nice things too.