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The Crucial Question David Gregory and Bob Schieffer Didn't Ask Timothy Geithner Sunday

By Noel Sheppard | July 10, 2011 | 23:41

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Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner was the featured guest on both CBS's "Face the Nation" and NBC's "Meet the Press" Sunday.

For some reason, hosts Bob Schieffer and David Gregory didn't ask the most important question every person in the world currently following the debt ceiling is dying to know the answer to:

Are there enough tax revenues coming in during August to cover whatever costs are associated with our Treasury bonds, notes, and bills so that America doesn't default on its debt if the ceiling isn't raised?

Pretty simple question, right?

It's also a pretty simple answer: Yes or no.

Wouldn't take a lot of time, and it would settle the disagreement that Democrats and Republicans have on this crucial issue.

As you likely know, the Left and their media minions claim that the only way to prevent a default on our Treasury paper is to raise the debt ceiling. The Right, on the other hand, believes there is more than enough in tax receipts to cover such outlays.

NewsBusters reported Thursday the Treasury is expecting $172 billion in tax receipts next month. From what I can estimate based on Treasury data from this and previous years, it is unlikely that August interest payments will exceed $35 billion, thereby leaving $137 billion for other bills such as Social Security, Medicare, and military salaries.

Yet, this didn't surface during a 16-minute interview Geithner had with Gregory Sunday. Here's the relevant section:

DAVID GREGORY: All right, now, the specific consequences of inaction and potential default, that August 2 date is coming. You know, this is a big issue not only in Congress , but also among those running for president or perhaps running for president. Sarah Palin gave an interview to Newsweek , and she says, "Look, this debt limit business, this is not the apocalypse here." I'm asking you, specific consequences to the United States of getting to August 2 without raising the debt limit.

SEC'Y GEITHNER: Let me make this clear , David . The United States is not going to default. We are a country that pays its bills. We're going to meet our obligations. And the leadership in Congress , Republicans and Democrats , House and Senate , understand that. Speaker Boehner , to his credit, said from the beginning we are not going to default as a country because he understands it would be catastrophic for the American economy . So let me explain what happens. The longer we go into July, the more risk there will be in financial markets , more concern the risk that America cannot get its act together to figure out how to solve this problem. And you'll see that reflected in higher interest rates and more concerned loss of confidence. And let me explain what happens on August 2 . On August 2 , at that point we run out of the ability to borrow to meet our obligations. Remember, we spend -- we have to borrow now 40 cents for every dollar we spend. Now, on August 2 , if Congress hasn't acted, we're left with the cash we have and the cash we're going to take in. And every week starting the week of August 2 , we have to go out and finance roughly $100 billion in maturing obligations of the government. We make 80 million checks a month to Americans , 55 million people on Social Security benefits , millions more Americans on veterans benefits , Medicare , Medicaid , people who supply our troops in combat. Eighty million checks a month. So on August 2 , we're left with the cash on hand and the cash we take in. And we have to convince people to come and refinance $500 billion in maturing principal payments that come due in August

MR. GREGORY: Does that affect our credit rating potentially?

SEC'Y GEITHNER: Absolutely. And for that reason the credit rating agencies around the world have said if Congress doesn't act by the 2nd they will put our -- they will downgrade our credit, first time in history, and if that happens, you're going to see catastrophic damage across the American economy and across the global economy . It's not something we -- failure is not an option and the leaders to their credit -- the leaders to their credit understand this.

MR. GREGORY: But that's a...

SEC'Y GEITHNER: And let me just say...

MR. GREGORY: Yeah.

SEC'Y GEITHNER: ...there is no credible way to give Congress more time. There's no constitutional option . There's no delay option. There's no creative financial option. They have to act by the 2nd.

MR. GREGORY: It's a significant consequence that you're outlining here that America 's credit rating could be downgraded without a deal by August 2nd .

SEC'Y GEITHNER: And it's much worse than that. Again, just remember, that, that itself would be very damaging...

MR. GREGORY: Mm-hmm.

SEC'Y GEITHNER: ...because that will affect the cost of cost......for all Americans , the value of all American savings , the capacity of businesses to borrow to put people more back to work. But remember, 80 million checks a month we write, including people who depend on those checks to go out and buy food to meet their basic needs.

MR. GREGORY: Who would you pick first?

SEC'Y GEITHNER: This is not a -- this...

MR. GREGORY: Would you have to make that decision?

SEC'Y GEITHNER: There's no alternative for Congress to act by the 2nd, and they recognize it, and I'm very confident they're going to do that. I think what we're debating, David , is not really that. What we're debating is, can we take advantage of this moment, of this opportunity , grave moment facing the nation to try to get our arms around those long-term fiscal problems in a way that is good for the economy.

Notice that Gregory never asked Geithner how much revenue he expected to come in next month, or exactly how much it would take to cover all associated debt costs so that it wouldn't have to be defaulted on.

Shouldn't this have been the pivotal, most important question to ask the man responsible for such things? How could this not have been asked in sixteen minutes of questioning?

Ask yourself which is more important: that Geithner has to write 80 million checks next month, or how much they total, and how much of it is directly related to our debt?

It's the kind of question that large corporations, small businesses, and heads of households have to answer whenever their credit lines have maxed out and no bank is willing to lend them more money.

What income do we expect in the next 30 days, and exactly how much will we have to pay which creditors in order to keep the company/household from having to file bankruptcy?

Regardless of what the Left and their media minions are claiming, it is indeed that simple.

If he was at all aware of budgets and finances, Gregory should have also asked why the $500 billion in maturing principal payments was relevant.

It is my understanding that much of this $500 billion are short maturity T-bills that will likely get rolled over by those currently holding them. Whatever isn't can be raised through new auctions that don't add to the current debt limit as they'd be replacing existing debt.

There is some fear in the markets that the closer we get to August 2nd, the more we might have to pay for such transactions, but with T-bills currently yielding between 0.01 and 0.20 percent depending on maturity, this seems hardly to be a concern.

So why didn't Gregory bring any of this up? Is it because this issue is really over his head, and he's totally unqualified to be interviewing the Treasury Secretary?

Or would the answers to such questions reveal that there is currently no risk of a debt default because there's far more coming into Treasury in the form of taxes each month than our total debt expense just as the Right is claiming?

As for Schieffer, he spoke with Geithner for thirteen minutes Sunday, and was equally hapless:

BOB SCHIEFFER: Let me ask you this, Mr. Secretary. While these negotiations go on, what about these Republicans who say it's just scare tactics, about doomsday if we don't raise the debt ceiling? Tell me what happens if you don't raise the debt ceiling.

GEITHNER: Well, let's start with this, okay. As we go into July, further into July, the world is going to be progressively more concerned about whether this town, this city, Washington, D.C., can figure out a way to solve this problem. So the risk we face starts to happen in July. But then on August 2, we're left running on fumes. We have no capacity to borrow. I have to write 80 million checks a month to Americans including 55 million Americans who depend on their Social Security check. We have to make principal payments or rollover $500 billion in debt in the month of August. About 87 billion in that first week in august. And so for those reasons, we have to act, Congress has to act ahead of that point. If they don't act, then we face catastrophic damage to the American economy. And the leadership, to their credit -- and I mean Republicans and Democrats -- fully understand that. And they have been very clear to the President and to me, including last Thursday, that they are not going to take that risk.

SCHIEFFER: So, so is August 2 the drop-dead date?

GEITHNER: Oh, absolutely. We've looked at all options, all options my predecessors have looked at, everything past presidents have looked at, and there is no feasible option to give Congress more time, and they don't need to take more time.

Once again, Geithner was allowed to spew the Party line without having to address how much the tax receipts will be and exactly what the costs associated with servicing our debt are.

This should have been paramount in both these discussions Sunday, but neither Gregory nor Schieffer bothered to ask the most important question on the minds of Americans and investors the world over.

That our nation's Treasury Secretary was allowed to face almost 30 minutes of questioning Sunday without either of these moderators asking the most important question of all is what John Ziegler calls media malpractice.

It is exactly this kind of negligence that keeps Americans from fully understanding our budgetary, economic, and financial affairs.

If this is just a matter of ignorance on their part, then someone more qualified should be brought in for such interviews.

If, on the other hand, these questions were intentionally avoided to prevent the public from better understanding the actual risks associated with not raising the debt ceiling, then neither of these gentlemen should be in the position of trust and responsibility he's currently in.

Whatever the reason, Messrs. Gregory and Schieffer should be ashamed of themselves for having so let their nation down Sunday.

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He's still

Submitted by hbnolikeee on Sun, 07/10/2011 - 11:46pm.

loading Turbo Tax. Give Timmy some time.

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Rumer has it because of past failures............

Submitted by old cro on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 5:02am.

Timmy now uses TaxCut.

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Good Beith-ner....Geithner...

Submitted by bigdaddy on Sun, 07/10/2011 - 11:53pm.

...Another rat soon to be scurrying away from the Barry Soetero Hussein Obama Flying Circus.

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My suspicion is that the WH

Submitted by jdhawk on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 12:14am.

My suspicion is that the WH had the "talk" to NBC and CBS and that's why the questions weren't asked.

Meanwhile, the markets both here and abroad have been reacting to the real debt crisis that is spreading across southern Europe. Over the last couple of weeks, we have seen masterful "kick the can down the road" theatrics concerning Greece on the part of the major country players and the ECB (equivalent to the Federal Reserve here in the United States).

Now, as we go into the second week of July, we learn that the ECB had to convene an emergency meeting over . . . wait for it . . . Italy? Yes, Italy! The major indices of Asia are falling, the futures for the major players in Europe are down as is the indices here in the United States.

The markets are not bothered by the "debt crisis" here in the US because they know there is none. To prove my point, the DOW has been on a tear these last couple of weeks even when you take into consideration the horrible jobs and inventory reports that came in on Friday. Interest rate - both short and long - are still at historically low yields. None of the above would be true if there was concern.

The facts are that we can pay the interest on the debt, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and our military and have money left over with what is projected to come into the Treasury in August.

The tie in to Italy as is the case with Greece is that if we don't get our act together and stop spending, we will be facing the debacle of Ireland, Portugal, Greece and now Italy that we really can't even pay the interest on our debt.

If our Republicans don't hold their ground and refuse new taxes and at least $4 trillion in spending cuts over 10 years - 400 billion in cuts each year - we may never get another chance to fight this. That is if obozo gets relected and we don't win back the Senate, we can not revisit this issue for two years or beyond the next 2012 election.

Note even with 400 billion trimmed from next year's budget, our 2012 deficit will still be over $1 trillion dollars! That is because like this year and the last two years, we have been speding about $1.5 trillion dollars more than we are taking in.

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Don't forget...

Submitted by apf2 on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 3:13pm.

Somehow, everyone is forgetting that this trillion dollar debt is purely the Affirmative Action Presidents doing. If we went back to the pre-stimulus budget of 2007 or 2008, most of the problem and urgency simply disappears.

The Pretender told us that all of his increases would be temporary, yet somehow (big surprise!! NOT!!) have found their way into all of the calculations for next 12 years.

This is total BS. Just roll the spending 100% back to 2007! Problem solved.

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ABC News has their countdown

Submitted by deerjerkydave on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 12:36am.

ABC News has their countdown clock until the magical August "deadline."

Here's what the Obama media are up to: Obama WANTS a default (real or imaginary) in order to blame the Republicans for the bad economy during his reelection campaign. The Obama media have received their marching orders and are now putting this plan into motion. It's a one two punch from the left.

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They're certainly shaping the story to make the . . .

Submitted by Galvanic on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 8:48am.

. . . Republicans the fall guy.

I watched Geithner on Meet The Press yesterday and it just further convinced me that this guy is not only a tax cheat, but an incompetent.   He's hitting the media circuit with his boogie-man message and deflecting any questions about possible alternatives.  Spewing the WH line, we either raise the artificial debt ceiling, or the US defaults and the world blows up.

Let's not forget that the Fed Chairman recently admitted that they have no idea why the economy isn't recovering more rapidly.  So every measure they have taken or are now recommending is purely a shot in the dark.  They are trying to treat symptoms to the tune of $ trillions without any assurance that we are arriving at a cure.  In fact, I think that at this point, they are hoping the economy will recover on its own, and then they can attribute that to the government meddling of the past few years.  They will not admit that had the government not intervened so heavy-handedly and wastefully, we likely would have been well on the road to recovery by now.

 So to maintain the pretense that they are actually in control, they warn the public that failure to enact their prescribed measures will hasten an armegeddon.  That, my friends, is true voodoo economics.

And Geithner is part of the clueless WH 'economic team.'  The sooner he leaves office, the better.  But then again, the chances are his successor will be just another witch doctor.

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Very well said.

Submitted by apf2 on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 3:49pm.

Voodoo Economics for real! I'd like to stick a few pins in his arse!

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There is more than one crucial question for Geithner.

Submitted by big.league.slider on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 1:02am.

The Obama shills have started circulating this nonsense about the 14th Amendment giving Obama the authority to increase the debt limit.  

"Section 4- The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned...."

All this means is that the federal debt must be serviced, even if that means putting this debt service ahead of other budgetary items.  And of course, there's that pesky little clause "....authorized by law....".  The federal spending/borrowing for FY2011 has not been formally approved by law, only by continuing resolutions in Congress.  And one might argue that a continuing resolution is not an appropriations law, thus any borrowing/spending under said CR is not subject to section 4 of the 14th amendment.

I would have also asked Geithner how he expects to pay the debt service on $18 trillion if he can't pay the debt service on $14 trillion? 

Finally, I would have asked Geithner how he differs from Bernie Madoff.  Isn't paying off current investors with more borrowed money the essence of an illegal Ponzi scheme?

 

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Ponzi

Submitted by dasher on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 5:10am.

"Finally, I would have asked Geithner how he differs from Bernie Madoff. Isn't paying off current investors with more borrowed money the essence of an illegal Ponzi scheme?" -- The government has been doing this for many years... paying off bonds with new and bigger bonds.

"Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink."  P.J.O'Rourke
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It is worse than that, actually.

Submitted by acaiguana on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 7:57am.

The government counts on inflation during these types of financial times.

Pay off old debt created with 'current value' dollars at the time with new 'lessor current value dollars' thus creating a hidden tax on the GDP.

ACA

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Quoted from: 'Acaiguana notes from the Underground' (Soon to be at theaters near you)

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It worked on the WWII and N ew Deal debts

Submitted by TheHistorian on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 8:43am.

At the end of WWII, Americans owed 120% of GDP as debt thanks to BOTH the New Deal and WWII. By 1970, the percent of GDP that was debt was 40% of GDP and there was only three small periods of  surplus in that whole time.  But Obama has spent us into as big a debt and has us headed for even higher percent GDP deficits.  Can we recover by inflation?  Only if it is huge enough to steal our IRAs and 401k)s while the inflation adjustment of Federal and many state and local pensions protects them.

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I have a more pertinent question for you

Submitted by TheHistorian on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 8:32am.

Assume that Obama decides to not pay interest as the first thing, but instead decides to spend more Department of Education funds. Who is going to stop him? There are no teeth in any law to stop him, and we all know that Geithner is such a cheat it won't bother him to defraud the US public. The Republicans are so gutless that they won't do anything like impeach Obama if he were to do so. And Obama's Democrats will vote for him regardless.

And, finally, when the US house of debt comes tumbling down, who will be to blame? Why, it will be the Republicans, because they didn't raise the debt limit.

“Liberals tend to put the onus of your success on society and conservatives on you and your family.”

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CRs are law

Submitted by Galvanic on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 9:04am.

"And one might argue that a continuing resolution is not an appropriations law, thus any borrowing/spending under said CR is not subject to section 4 of the 14th amendment."

I don't see how one wins that argument. CRs are passed by the Congress and signed into law by the President.  In the absence of a Federal budget passed for the active fiscal year, they appropriate funds from the Treasury based on the latest Federal budget to have been passed and signed by the President.

What is at issue in this Debt Ceiling mess is the priorities of Federal spending.  The US will reportedly have enough revenue to meet its debt obligations regardless of whether the ceiling is raised or not, but it will have to make radical spending cuts in Federal programs to do so.  That's where the battle is waged, because none of these pols wants to cut from favorite programs.

Raising the ceiling merely kicks the can further down the road, but with additional debt and no long-term solution to eliminating the problem, because we'll face the same dilemma when we approach the new ceiling.

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I suspect a reason these

Submitted by tcm14 on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 1:58am.

I suspect a reason these questions aren't asked is because they really put the focus onto the out of control govt spending that is causing our problems. The left doesn't want people to actually know what is going on, because it makes the powers that be look bad. They just want to continue overspending while throwing out slogans like "The American Dream" and "Investing in Our Future."

Can you imagine if any of us maxed out our credit cards, etc., and then when the bill came due we scolded our creditors for preventing us from living the American dream and investing in our future? We would be laughed right into court. And possibly prison.

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Geithner is too busy advancing agendas.

Submitted by Boil It Down on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 4:22am.

The false premise that any of these politicians are not going to raise the debt limit took up too much time in the interview to allow useful information to accidentally slip out to the public. Apparently they don't recognize that the uncertainty they generate with these unnecessary tactics to play politics with the economy does as much damage as any other factor. It's as if they want chaos to prevail.
Aside from all that, all three of them may subscribe to the notion that too much information to the public is pointless, since we're all too stupid to understand. More probably though, they believe solid facts in the hands of the citizenry is too dangerous to their brand, their stream of personal revenue and their jobs.
How is it that Geithner has not been replaced with someone who has all the aptitude required for the job?
Very few in the Federal government seem to be serious enough about creating jobs and cutting the budget. With the hard work and support of people like Gregory and Schieffer, politics will win and the American people will lose, as usual. -bidn-

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Don't you guys understand about "Meet the Press"?

Submitted by TheHistorian on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 8:24am.

All this show provides is "church" for lieberals. And they got Gregory, Schieffer, and Geithner all at once; if that doesn't give Chrissy a tingle, I don't know what will.

Aren't you sad that Obama and these pretenders of erudite reasoning are all that the average lieberal has in his life? I do pray for heavenly guidance for Obama and his crew. Unfortunately, I think he and the rest of the lieberals got Das Kapital and the Holy Bible mixed up, not to mention St. Paul and John Maynard Keynes.

I keep hearing lieberals ask "What Would Jesus ______" (do, drive, think, etc). Jesus told the people of his time to give unto Rome what is Rome's, but he forgot somehow about the directive that Rome is supposed to take care of the beggars, widows, and orphans. He said it is our INDIVIDUAL responsibility. Lieberals just want to shirk their duty; after all, these are not the "beautiful people" of Hollywood. They are people that we are called upon to personally help. Why doesn't Soros put his billions into charity instead of political action? We know what Jesus would think of him.

“Liberals tend to put the onus of your success on society and conservatives on you and your family.”

Dennis Prager

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Obama mom worked for Geithner's dad

Submitted by celator on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 9:30am.

Not well known, and completely uncovered by the MSM, is the fact that Obama's mother, Stanley Dunham-Soetoro worked for Little Timmy's father--Peter Geithner.
The elder Geithner was director of the Asia Program at the Ford Foundation and was Stanley's boss when she was developing the microfinance NGO's in Indonesia. Little Barry and Little Timmy have known each other since they were children and have strong personal ties going back to that time. Geithner's entire family is connected to the top levels of the eastern banking establishment--JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, etc. Timmy will end up in Goldman Sachs, no doubt about it.

"This is not your mother's Democratic Party"--Andrew Breitbart, CPAC, February 2012
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Interesting I too like

Submitted by jkwtrading on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 5:40pm.

Interesting I too like digging into their backgrounds.
Obama daddy would Kenya during the Mau Mau uprisings. that period no doubt left an engrained feeling in his old man.

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Okay, seriously?

Submitted by falcon on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 9:57am.

When are We, the People going to get tired enough of this to demand that something be done? There are over 140 million registered voters in this country (give or take a million or two), and it boggles my mind that there hasn't been some sort of larger outcry than there has been. Are we simply expecting our elected officials to "deal with it?" When the first stimulus package was being considered by Congress, there was such a hue and cry that you'd expect voters to show up in Washington with pitchforks and torches. (Of course, they were largely ignored by their elected representatives.) So, why isn't there more of an outcry now?

Or is it that there IS an outcry, but it's (1) not being reported by the MSM, and (2) not being acknowledged by our elected representatives, who have finally decided to drop the charade and act openly like the elitist "rulers" they've always imagined themselves to be? If those are true, then not only do we need to kick all the "career politicians" out on their ear, but demand term limits and a rollback in the salary for Congresscritters, and make damn sure they do their jobs from here on out.

And that's just a start. But if things go on like this much longer, as the movie title says, "there will be blood." And that's the LAST thing we need.

“I will not stand by and watch this great country destroy itself under mediocre leadership, that drifts from one crisis to the next, eroding our national will and purpose.” – Ronald Reagan, July 17, 1980.

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I was screaming at the TV

Submitted by StarAZ on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 11:13am.

As Tiny Tim tossed the usual word salad of cliches, this president has tried, full faith and credit, must be done, on the backs of, your SS check, shared sacrifice...on and on...I almost felt hatred. He is leaving. We don't get to leave. Who will pick up after this mess--anyone? It's just dog stupid to think we are going to change the tax code, find the waste, do this, do that, in two weeks--or a whole 75 mins as the president devoted yesterday. Sorry, dogs, no offense.

 

 

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What about?

Submitted by InfidelMan on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:34am.

To raise the debt ceiling is another gasp for the current government to stave off shutting itself down. Wait! This is a gift wrapped present. Shutting down government is in of itself a way to make government smaller. Obama has painted himself into a corner. If the U.S. defaults "read: The U.S. Government defaults." This will be on Obama's hands, nobody else's. This won't effect the public sector as much as it will the non public sector. Hmmm? Me thinks the Republicans have a club to use: History. And lots of it. Take your time, 2012. More mischief is in the making here. This is the democrats flailing about and now they're in trouble. They're hoping to drag some stupid Republicans in with them so they can "spread" the blame during election time. Obama-crats own this and now want to "share" it with their opposition. Stay away from this flaming boxcar. It's about to derail, all on its own.

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you nailed it...the perfect

Submitted by jkwtrading on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 5:36pm.

you nailed it...the perfect way to shut them down is they do it themselves, automatically they become smaller overnight.

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Excellent analysis, Noel!!

Submitted by timothe on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 11:07am.

Here's hoping Fox News picks up on this glaring omission. No one else will.

Contempt prior to investigation is ignorance.
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Will they (the WH) let Timmy...

Submitted by retrocon on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 11:59am.

go on Fox?

i doubt it. And if they do, it will be with preconditions.

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OBAMA PRESSER

Submitted by ROSSMAN on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 11:35am.

TRUTH!! 11:25 today POTUS said that the time he is wasting on the budget issues could better be used working on new programs. TAX CUTS AND NEW PROGRAMS ARE IN CONFLICT!!

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Geitner

Submitted by jessieH on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 4:38pm.

obama surrounds himself with incompetent morons. It makes him look smarter.

                                                                                                                                                                    

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Wonder Why

Submitted by topdog729 on Tue, 07/12/2011 - 3:47am.

they don t just ask the real Q.....If we stop invading every country on the planet, and go back to the founding principles of trading with all nations, Wouldn't we be 14 trillion closer to zero deficit then we are currently?

I mean lets be real, It would be far cheaper and more profitable to teach the afganies to operate an excavator, then sell them to 'em, then it is to blow up sand, then fix the F.....g holes.

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