Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore Find Media 'Sifting Through' Palin's Email 'Repulsive'
When lefties Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore think the media's Palin Derangement Syndrome has gone too far, you know the press are hitting new depths of indecency.
Judging from the couple's Twitter accounts, the recent feeding frenzy over the former Alaska governor's email was all they could stand:
Over the weekend, the former Alaska governor got a surprising show of support from actor Ashton Kutcher, who trashed the media for digging through thousands of emails Palin sent when she was in office.
"As much as I'm not a fan of Sarah Palin I find sifting through her emails repulsive and over reaching media," Kutcher said on Twitter.
Wife Demi Moore followed:
Warms the cockles, doesn't it?
(H/T Tammy Bruce)
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So
Submitted by grammajane on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 5:28pm.
So do most Americans except for the buffoons at NBC who are probably having tingles down their legs reading the emails. NBC has hit an all time low. Comcast must be so very proud of their recent purchase of this, the most bias network, in history.
~When you've lost Kelso..
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 5:30pm.
and the dimwit who dropped John McClane for Kelso, you know you screwed the proverbial pooch.
"screwed the proverbial pooch"
Submitted by Newsbubba on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 5:50pm.
Haven't heard that in a while, bru. Where have you been?
The only reason these morons are upset with the "trash sifting" is because they can't find any smoking guns.
~Been hanging out in the woodshed
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 6:15pm.
Tanning bear hide.
Bru and woodshed
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 6:17pm.
Hmm.
:-^)
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
~Dave
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 6:40pm.
You're incorrigible. ;)
Bru,
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 6:58pm.
LOL.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Glad you're good.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 7:33pm.
I don't even know where to start with all the pun possibilities in THAT answer!
I have to say...I saw Die
Submitted by shannon76 on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 5:59pm.
I have to say...I saw Die Hard and Die Hard 2 for the first time a couple of weeks ago. Fun, great movies. Bruce Willis is iconic. And I thought...I don't have a problem with Demi Moore and Bruce Willis splitting up. It happens. But what does it mean when you go from John McClane to Kelso?! What is that???
John McClane...
Dude from Dude where's my car?!
What does that even mean from a sociologic perspective? Marlboro Man to gangly, long-haired, scruffy slacker boy.
She went the wrong way...
As I recall Bruce Willis identified himself a few years back as a small government guy (i.e. a Republican). ANd then you look at Kelso with the 'i promise to help barack obama' videos. Blech...
He Cheated
Submitted by stunned on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 12:12pm.
McClane was no prize. He was a drunk with a bad rep when he met her and she got him to sober up and saved his career. She insisted they move to Idaho, away from Hollywood, to raise their girls and lived there for more than a decade. He made the Die Hard movies I also loved while she walked away from a hot career to raise the kids. After 13 years of marriage at home in Idaho he cheated with a local waitress and she left him and moved back to California with the kids where she met Kucher.
She is fifteen years older than him and they are now married six years after dating for four years. He has been very good to her and her 3 girls and worked hard to befriend Willis who was not happy with Moore when she began dating him seriously. No scandels with the Willis daughters who are now grown. Yes they are more liberal than Willis but not hard core lefty nuts (I find there are few of those who are parents to daughters) and he has a successful (not on a Willis scale) career but appears to be a good guy and better husband than Willis despite his politics.
tired of liberal lies
Well it's good to see a
Submitted by tcm14 on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 5:35pm.
Well it's good to see a mother and son agreeing on something political.
Mother and son
Submitted by paragrouper on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 5:54pm.
:-)
Ok Funny Comment
Submitted by stunned on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 12:15pm.
I will call it a sexist one to boot. When I see father and daughter comments regarding a man with a wife fifteen years younger like John McCain who is 18 years older than his wife I will apologize.
tired of liberal lies
hiding in the bushes
Submitted by MidAmerica on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 5:36pm.
The Palin obsessed media has sunk to the level of being window peekers.
Good for them! We certainly
Submitted by AngryInOhio on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 6:01pm.
Good for them! We certainly don't all have to agree, but we can be civil about it. The lame stream media are all morons. Myself and many other Americans are going to overseas websites to get the news regarding this Country ; I find it thorough and unbiased.
Wow!
Submitted by Bob K on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 5:59pm.
If lefties like those two have turned toward the light , even in this small way, there may be cause for hope. That is, of course, if we hae not already reached the tipping point.
Stupid bimbo celebrities!
Submitted by balboa on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 6:44pm.
Stupid bimbo celebrities! Shut up and act! Morally bankrupt morons! Palin has more talent in one "You betcha" than they have in their whole careers! When are these "Hollyweirdos" going to learn we don't care what they thi--
Oh, are we, are we not doing that this time? So hard to tell...
It's called irony, bal. Try
Submitted by NC Cop on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 7:07pm.
It's called irony, bal. Try and keep up.
~Stupid bimbo celebrities
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 7:16pm.
turn on fellow liberals!
I know something this obvious is difficult for you to wrap both of your brain cells around, but it's fun to watch you try.
I'm guessing this is because these two know what it's like...
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 7:01pm.
...to have idiot entertainment media gomers going through their trash, and don't wish to see it happen to others - even people they may not exactly like.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
OR.....
Submitted by MidAmerica on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 7:34pm.
Perhaps they, like a number of other people, have come out and denounced this action because those most excited about getting the e-mails now look both foolish and sleazy. But this is only because nothing has been found. The question is, what would the position be for those now taking the 'high road' and denouncing the e-mail hunt had the e-mails turned up something juicy?
You might be right, MA
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 7:42pm.
You might be right, so many public figures might have(or will have) two prepared statements depending on which way a certain issue goes.
Look at Superman Returns towards the end after Superman got admitted to the hospital, the scene changes to a newspaper headline that says "Superman Dead!" Then the picture changes to see the other headline "Superman Lives!" Perry White(the emasculated version of the Christopher Reeve movies) has his nephew standing there saying "That's really morbid." Perry goes "Always be prepared."(one of the few movies I didn't want on disc)
Billy Clinton did something similar, always put his finger to the wind to see which direction it blew.
Doesn't make them good or decent, just makes them appear that way. It's all about appearances.
Sorry, but this "reaction" won't be enough for me to watch either of their movies or shows.
-Jon
as the saying goes....
Submitted by MidAmerica on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 10:48pm.
Success has many fathers but failure is an orphan.
MA,
Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 7:46pm.
You have a point.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Mr. and Mrs. (Ms.?) Moonbat are even disgusted.
Submitted by drsamherman on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 7:44pm.
Says something about how far the main stream media overreached on the Palin email matter.
jackholes...
Submitted by PJRyan on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 7:46pm.
I find Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore repulsive.
Anyone think this might be
Submitted by Rusty Shackleford on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 8:24pm.
Anyone think this might be due to Ashton Kutcher trying to come across as a reasonable individual so that he distances himself from the lunacy of Charlie Sheen since he is replacing Sheen on that TV show?
BTW: Who is this RT person twitter twits always talk about? :)
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Those of us who suffer from
Submitted by JasonC on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 8:51am.
Those of us who suffer from what is commonly termed "PDS," but who mostly consider ourselves sane people, are experiencing serious cognitive dissonance here. On the one hand, I wouldn't exactly be heartbroken if Palin's e-mail somehow discredited her in the eyes of all the people who, for whatever reason that I will never ever understand, find her inspiring and competent. I think she's harmless as a private citizen but, as a politician, a menace to the Republic. And yet, when all the noise about e-mail snooping began to swell, I asked my S.O. "So wait, what exactly is the pretext for this?"...because it astounded me that the press could so cavalierly charge forward with something so intrusive against someone who is - as of now - still a private citizen.
So yeah, cognitive dissonance. It's a scary precedent concerning what the press is willing to do, especially considering they seem to have little motivation even to PRETEND to have a good reason for it. On the other hand, ugh, Sarah Palin.
~Keeping moving toward the light, darling
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 9:00am.
We won't hurt you. Heeeeeeere boy.
Can you articulate why?
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 9:06am.
as a politician, a menace to the Republic.
Because saying it, doesnt explain why, or is there a why?
Also, do you think we should be privy to other folks e-mail, like say, yours, or Pelousy's
I don't really understand
Submitted by JasonC on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 4:54pm.
I don't really understand your latter line of questioning. My point is that I find the delving into Palin's email, legal though it may be, to be icky and a gratuitous waste of time. Why would this suggest that I would or wouldn't be fine if it was somebody else.
Perhaps "menace" was too strong a choice of words; nonetheless, I'll freely admit that none of the reasons for which I find her insufferable are anything that you've haven't heard many time before. Her substitution of folksiness for substance. The way she seems to take pleasure in being utterly divisive with designations like Real/Regular Americans (suggesting, of course, the existence of a faction of Non-Real/Irregular Americans). That she just loves to criticize actions taken by the current administration but can't even hypothetically offer a workable alternative (exemplified in this interview with her colleague Bill O'Reilly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dlZwM-eZkA. Look at her utter unwillingness to confront the reality of the issue). That she insists on portraying herself as a media victim at every turn (though in the case of her e-mail, I'd say she's not out of line to say so). That she trots out her preferred historical moments and acts as though they have relevance to her pet ideologies (e.g. acting as though Revere's ride made him some sort of 2nd Amendment stalwart, avant la lettre).
Shall I go on? This is all in addition to the fact that I'm opposed to just about every one of her stances concerning the actual issues.
The last parqgraph you wrote
Submitted by Free Stinker on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 5:16pm.
The last parqgraph you wrote is your only concern with Palin. The rest if that (deviceveness, shallow, folksy, victim) is just window dressing so you and other Libs won't have to discuss "the issues".
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
Um, not really. By that
Submitted by JasonC on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 5:28pm.
Um, not really. By that logic, conservatives are being shallow when they get upset about Obama's guns and religion comment, or his calling a Cambridge police officer's actions "dumb." (Or was it "stupid"? Can't recall; doesn't seem important enough to look up.)
Are you really willing to say that overall persona, disingenuous appropriation of US history, and unwillingness to face the fact that (for instance) sealing the US-Mexico border is well and good but you need to have an ACTUAL plan for the millions of illegals already here are window-dressing issues?
And that pretty much sums up a liberal's attitude---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 7:40pm.
"If Obama said it, and it was inherently stupid, I certainly don't want to remind myself of that so I'll just file it away under "doesn't seem important enough to look up".
Not currently having a plan for dealing with illegal aliens seems to be a failing a number of recent occupants of the Oval Office have suffered.
Better no plan, though, than coming up with one wherein the State of Arizona is sued by the Federal Government for daring to approach the problem on it's own.
MD
"Millions of Illegals"?
Submitted by UpNorth on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 8:35pm.
Hmmm, that just about sums up what the problem is, doesn't it? After all, if it's "illegal", they're breaking the law, right?
I'm sure that your solution is amnesty, but maybe not. What would you do, ACTUALLY, with the millions of law breakers?
And, any solution that gives them any chance, ever, to have a vote here, or avail themselves of any social services, is off the table to begin with.
I don't know what I'd do
Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 12:39am.
I don't know what I'd do exactly. I'd be fine with amnesty, but I don't live in that area and I don't have to worry about alienating voters. So who knows what I'd do.
But as for not knowing what I'd do, I also have the excuse of NOT being a public political figure who goes on talk shows to talk smack about how other people are handling it, and then says meaningless, off-point nonesense when an ideologically sympathetic host asks an incredibly straightforward and relevant question.
But, you know, I'm sure that was just BOR's version of the "gotcha" question.
BOR?
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 11:25am.
Sorry, don't watch him anymore, I find him to be a condescending fence-sitter, and a rude host to boot.
I figured that you'd be fine with amnesty. Why not make La Raza and Reconquista happy and just give up the SW USA?
JasonC, that says perfectly
Submitted by balboa on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 7:05pm.
JasonC, that says perfectly what's wrong with Palin. Exactment.
Watch out, Jason. When
Submitted by NC Cop on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 7:14pm.
Watch out, Jason. When you've got bal on your side, you know you're wrong.
Shoo, fly.
Submitted by balboa on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 7:25pm.
Shoo, fly.
Frankly, Bal is one of the
Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 12:42am.
Frankly, Bal is one of the most even-tempered, reasonable people on this site. With the amount of crap that he lets roll off his back with a smile every day, I don't know how he hasn't cracked and gone out in a day-long flame-post binge.
And let me add that while I don't know anything about him personally, I bet he's the kind of guy who'd give the shirt off his back even to someone who hurls abuse at him nonstop.
So yeah, he can be on my side any time.
Mmmmmmm. Yummy. Cop Killer lovers. Mmmmmmm.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 1:03am.
They can be on my side any time. Mmmmmm. Yummy.
This is a subject line that I filled in.
Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 1:14am.
You're going to have to explain the context of that one, as I have been avoiding this site of late and did not see Bal's "Free Mumia" signature line. But yeah, being in favor of cop killers. That sounds like him.
Did you see me harping on it?
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 2:06am.
Frankly, I am used to reading the stupid of people twice. And it is usually people that have no respect for the opinion of others; exactly what I expect from you. So way to harp on something no one was harping on to begin with.
balboa: OK, TWO people, both with controversy surrounding their convictions. - Mumia and Asata, 2 convicted cop killers that use a name other than the given name under which they were convicted.
balboa: I admit that I misspoke when I said she was convicted of shooting the trooper. -- Can't get the circumstances of the crime correct but yeah, he ain't all that convinced she is guilty based upon her responses in interviews after the conviction.
balboa: I don't know if she's innocent or not -- Convicted by a jury of her peers. check. Convicted after convincing 12 people she is guilty beyond all doubt. check. She escapes from prison and absconds to Cuba where she lives to this day. check. Yeah, balboa just needs a hair bit more.
balboa: I said that there appeared to be some controversy about the conviction... --- Controversy? Was the case appealed? No. Are witnesses recanting testimony? No. Is there some issue with the evidence? No. Have the transcripts been released? Have the witnesses or prosecution ever talked about the case? No. No. What is the convtroversy then? Asata and her Aunt say she is innocent. That is the controversy.
balboa: The trooper changed his story. He said he saw Assata shoot a gun, said his partner pulled a clip of ammo out of the car and yelled to him. Then later said that didn't happen. Assata was shot with her hands up and once in the back. According to the only evidence I have read about, she could not have shot a gun after being shot. That appears to be enough of a controversy... --- All from a statement her lawyer/aunt released more than a decade AFTER she escaped prison. The prosecutors, judge, surviving officer and witnesses have said nothing in the 30 years since the conviction. And the transcripts of the trial have not been released by New Jersey. We have no way of verifying is she is telling the slightest bit of truth. But yeah, that is enough for balboa to start proclaiming her innocence here.
balboa: ..even though it was never proven that she shot a gun that day... --- She was convicted of being an accomplice to murder. There was no need to prove she shot a gun.
Kingfish17: Do you think that Mumia and Assata are innocent of the crimes for which they have been convicted?
balboa: I think there's a possibility, from what I've read. - Mumia was found feet from the dead Police Officer with a bullet from the officer's gun in his belly. His gun, the gun registered to him, was by his side, and several bullets from that gun were in the dead officer. But yeah, there is a possibility according to balboa it wudn't him.
balboa: Have you read about either case? -- Oh, you mean other than the protestations of innocence of the 2 convicted cop killers in interviews for books and magazines? No. That would just be balboa.
balboa: The thing about having two hands in the air is reference to the position she was in when she got shot... Yeah, no one ever raises their hands to eye level to sight down the barrel of a gun.
Thank you for providing
Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 9:54am.
Thank you for providing context. I appreciate it.
You are welcome.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 11:03am.
If you are serious, people can see why I at one time kinda respected you. Before the backstabbing started.
I was serious. I asked for
Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 11:35am.
I was serious. I asked for context and you provided it without a deluge of sarcasm and/or aggression. So thank you.
In other words,
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 8:16pm.
It's all about the cult of personality with you. I get that. I just took a flier to see if you had any substance.
Heck, I even know why
Aside from finding her
Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 12:05am.
Aside from finding her "folksiness" grating, how is ANY of that related to "cult of personality"? Appropriating and distorting historical events to her own ends? Being gleefully divisive? Criticizing current elected officials and not even knowing where to begin in terms of offering her own plans for pressing issues? These are not frivolous critiques along the lines of (wrongly) claiming that she said she could see Russia from her house.
Obama - that is someone who is "gleefully divisive"
Submitted by Free Stinker on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 12:12am.
Gleefully devisive
Now there's a Palin insult I actually haven't heard before. Original, but still lame.
Appropriating and distorting historical events to her own ends?
She got it right. Get over it.
Criticizing current elected officials and not even knowing where to begin in terms of offering her own plans for pressing issues?
You wouldn't say that if you read what she writes over on Facebook. She discusses QE2, NMD, the new START treaty, healthcare, and tax policy. Guess you missed that.
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
I read everything she
Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 12:47am.
I read everything she writes/has ghost-written. It is not impressive.
Gee, you think Obama is MORE "gleefully divisive"? Shocking. Our opinion of who is more divisive falls along our established ideological lines. And so the world turns.
Palin was sort of, perversely, almost right in her nigh-incomprehensible word salad about Revere's ride. Not really right, but with sufficient twisting and contorting and benefit-of-the-doubt-giving, you could say she was right-esque. But that wasn't my point. I'm not getting into the hornet's nest of who warned who and when. Even if she was wrong, whatever, everyone misspeaks. I'm talking about her use of this story - and she does this all the darn time - to make it sound as if Revere's actions had some sort of grand and divine relevance to a complex and very modern issue.
Complex. Do you have a right to own a gun?
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 1:08am.
Complex. Them yes or no things. Yeah, very complex. JasonC says no. Simple. Others say yes based on the Constitution. Oh, that. Yeah, that is complex. Too complex for the fascist elite JasonC that says you can't eat at McDonalds, drink big brand beer, shop at Walmart, drive an SUV, or listen/read conservative authors because the high lord Binky Braveheart looks down up on it/them.
While I'm not about to get
Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 1:25am.
While I'm not about to get into a pissing match with you about what the 2nd Amendment ACTUALLY says (How's your militia doing? Real well-organized?) I will simply point out that, your desire to make it non-complex aside, there has been a pretty long-running debate about the extent to which individual gun ownership should be permitted, the kinds of firearms civilians can carry, licensure, and at least a dozen other bits of minutiae. You are aware of this, yes? What I think isn't the point. The fact that you couldn't pay me to own a gun isn't the point. The point is that such debates and disagreements do exist in the politico-cultural realm.
OK, what's your witty retort?
You did not say none of that in your dismissal.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 11:39am.
...her use of this story - and she does this all the darn time - to make it sound as if Revere's actions had some sort of grand and divine relevance to a complex and very modern issue.
And since you did not, why are you now holding both me and Palin to some higher standard than you did in your flippant statement.
Palin was asked a question in a line at a Deli or some kind of lunch counter. She had one chance to reply and it has been scrutinized endlessly since.
So why were you not so flappy about all the complexities the first time? You expect both Palin and I to be extra flappy and talk about every complexity involved in the very simple right to own a firearm. I did not read any of your complexities and disagreements and debates last time I went through the bill of rights. Nope. I will check again and verify if all the complexities are in there. Maybe my memory ain't so good no more.
And speaking of debate and complexities and disagreements, where did she relate it to today's issues?
We saw where Paul Revere hung out as a teenager, which was something new to learn. And, you know, he who warned the British that they weren't going to be taking away our arms, by ringing those bells and making sure that as he's riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be secure and we were going to be free. And we were going to be armed. [Sarah Palin, 6/2/11, via MSNBC.com]
PALIN: You know what? I didn't mess up about Paul Revere. Here's what Paul Revere did. He warned the Americans that 'the British were coming, the British were coming,' and they're going to try to take our arms, so we got to make sure that we were protecting ourselves and shoring up all of our ammunitions and our firearms so that they couldn't take them. But remember that the British had already been there, many soldiers, for seven years in that area, and part of Paul Revere's ride -- and it wasn't just one ride he was a courier, he was a messenger -- part of his ride was to warn the British that were already there that hey, you are not going succeed, you're not going to take American arms. You are not going beat our own well-armed persons' individual private militia that we have. He did warn the British. And in a shoutout, 'gotcha' type of question that was asked of me, I answered candidly. And I know my American history.
Where is she relating anything to the debate and complexities and disagreements of today? Acutally, where is she relating anything at all outside of the Revolutionary War?
I don't see it. Read it twice. Let me read it again. Hung out as teenager. check. warned British. check. horse. town. send those warning shots bells that we arae boing to be secure free. be armed. more warning. British already there for seven years. blah blah blah. Hmmmm. Nope. Not relating.
But what do I know. I only read the Bill of Rights and got that we have a very simple right to bear arms. Didn't get all the complexities out of it just so I could get flappy on the internet 35 years later.
Whoops. Missed it.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 11:44am.
(How's your militia doing? Real well-organized?)
I thought he was implying I was part of some Right Wing Nazi militia. No, he was referring to the argument the 2nd amendment was meant to allow only state militia's to bear arms.
Wrong Binky. Did you forget already? It is now settled law. The Supreme Court came down on that little issue while you were on sabbatical.
Here comes a link, oh wait, you only complain about links to old pages here.
The decision extended the court's 2008 ruling in District of Columbia v. Heller that "the Second Amendment protects a personal right to keep and bear arms for lawful purposes, most notably for self-defense within the home." That decision applied only to federal laws and federal enclaves such as Washington; it was the first time the court had said there was an individual right to gun ownership rather than one related to military service.
Don't worry Binky. You don't have to read the Newspapers or watch the news. I will. You only are required to continue to beclown yourself by thinking I and others here are idiots while you spout old outdated information and arguments.
Binky. Don't run away again.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 12:43pm.
We miss you so much when you do that. You blindly say something stupid, get called on it, and then refuse to post here for 3 months. We do get so lonely when you do that.
Explain please.
...what the 2nd Amendment ACTUALLY says (How's your militia doing? Real well-organized?)
The Supreme Court of the United States of America says it ACTUALLY* refers to the individual right to bear arms. Hey, don't argue with me, they got nine guys and gals for you to e-mail.
Twice in the past two years the gun issue has reached the nation’s highest court. In the 2008 Supreme Court case District of Columbia v. Heller the court ruled that the Constitution protects an individual’s right to own a gun for personal use. But the 5-4 decision only applied to federal laws and failed to address local and state laws. Thus, in July 2010 the Supreme Court ruled that the federal right to bear arms also applies at the state and local level.
* I only capitalized it because you did Binky. But yeah, you whine some more because I do that. Ok?
What pee-pee match Binky?
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 12:55pm.
While I'm not about to get into a pissing match with you about what the 2nd Amendment ACTUALLY says...
No Binky. It is me and the majority of the Supreme Court, ain't it. You gonna have to get a big bucket for your pee-pee match Binky.
The United States Supreme Court in a five to four decision ruled this morning (June 28) that the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms is protected at the state and local government levels.
Federal. State. Local. Why I do believe that is all of them Binky. I have a right to bear arms. An individual right to bear arms.
In the decision of the McDonald v. City of Chicago case handed down today, the majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito ruled that the Second Amendment is a fundamental individual right that applies to states through the Fourteenth Amendment in the same way the Supreme Court found that it applied to the Federal government in last year’s District of Columbia v. Heller decision.
“The right to bear arms is a fundamental right of all Americans, and with this decision the Supreme Court has affirmed the applicability of this basic right regardless of location. This ruling is a victory for freedom, the Constitution and for all Americans,” Congressional Sportsmen’s Foundation President Jeff Crane said
You have a right too Binky. A right to act like you are smarter than all of us while you chew on that yummy shoe leather of the show in your mouth.
This is all well and good,
Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 1:41pm.
This is all well and good, Vet. However, while the high courts' decisions do determine the law, it's rather silly to suggest that they should put an end to any sort of spirited debate on the issues at bar. By your logic, as long as Roe v. Wade stands, anyone with pro-life inclinations ought to put away their bumper stickers and shut up.
Besides which, I have said repeatedly on NB that I have no wish to legislate against individuals' gun ownership. I simply think that the tack taken by the NRA et al., the fetishization of an amendment that 99 times out of 100 they refuse even to quote in full, is unconvincing and childish.
Phweet. Scritch. Scritch. Scritch. Scritch.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 9:45pm.
Who is engaging in a spirited debate here? You as usual thought you could shut down any debate at all with one of your usual insulting putdowns with the not wishing for the pisssing matches, the big bold teacher word ACTUALLY and the miliita thing. It is what you do best. You don't debate. You school. You toss peanuts from your elitist high throne.
You are right. Settled law was a poor choice of words. I looked it up again after I posted that. Settled law needs the test of time as well. Settle as in the dust settling. I don't know the legal word for "You can't use the word ACTUALLY because the Supreme Court has decided this matter already.So knock it off with the preaching at the rubes stuff".
...the fetishization of an amendment that 99 times out of 100 they refuse even to quote in full, is unconvincing and childish.
Who said anything about the amendment? You claimed Sarah Palin tried a grand and divine relevance. You brought it up while trying to shut down all debate just like you do every single time. I am not going to argue it. I am telling you to take up your argument with the Supreme Court.
Hi Jason
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 12:23am.
Long time, no see. Hope your new situation still sends thrills. My best regard to your thrill...bet that thrill is growing like a little weed!
I'd just like to say something to you....not trying to be combative. But I'd just like you to consider it for a moment.
Your visceral reaction to Palin's "folksiness"....stop and think about it. THAT is what people in the MidWest actually ARE. What you see as a put on skin, is not that at all. That is just the way Palin is. It's not a persona.
For those who live in the Midwest (great flyover country)....the clench jawed hautiness (think John F'ing) and dropped "r's" etc. elicit the same response. "How can they be so GRATING?". Do you see what I'm trying to convey?
As for your criticism of Palin as being "reactionary".....try to put that shoe on your foot, Jason. Being eviscerated 24/7 by a hostile liberal media. About YOUR child. About your family. About YOUR clothes. About YOUR (whatever...insert word here). She's not a she-devil. She's a woman (a smart one....you've read some of her e-mails) who has a somewhat similar (American) and somewhat different (Alaskan) culture than your own. And, obviously, a different political POV. That's all.
She's not incompetent. That's a media lie.
Anyway....just wanted to say hi, and ask you to further reconsider. Ciao, Baby! (and hi to the little thrill).
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
hi Blonde, Thanks for the
Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 12:34am.
hi Blonde,
Thanks for the kind words. Like a weed is right. Truly blessed (you know, in an agnostic sort of way).
Anyway, I certainly take your point, but I really don't think that my major issue here is with her accent. And as I said above, the irritation I feel in reaction to said folksiness (which doesn't come across as being the least bit genuine or non-cynical to me, and I have met folksy people and lived in rural areas, so I think I have SOME sense of this, but we could argue about this all day) is, I will admit, the one part of my critique that IS in regard to her cult of personality. The other things, I would submit, have nothing to do with it. If you can feel alienated by Obama talking about the price of arugula at Whole Foods, I get to feel repulsed when Palin misrepresents my home state's history in order to make it sound like Revere was some sort of 2nd Amendment champion. While we can scoff at the frivolity of placing importance on such cultural trivialisms, there is absolutely a root of relevance there as well.
And I mean it as the highest possible compliment to the people of "flyover country" when I say that I have never met one who acts like Palin.
Fair enough, Jason
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 12:48am.
But you're still missing the essence of the woman. Probably because it's your cultural bias to dismiss her. I know I can't make you change your biases...but I wanted you to at least try to consider a different perspective. It's all I can do.
It's not her accent (which drives me crazy, too). Trust me, her values are not a put on. She is who she is. That's all. A product of her upbringing. That's it. And she's grown into this new political situation...but that is just who she is. She's genuine. If you dont' like it...okay...but I'd like for you to realize she is not a put-on. That's it.
Glad all is great in your world...be well, Jas.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
So what was Chauncey's answer?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 9:11am.
.
SoL, while I'm sure it's
Submitted by JasonC on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 4:54pm.
SoL, while I'm sure it's hilarious, I don't know who this refers to.
You did not have to Binky.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 12:55pm.
It was not for your perusal. Sick of Libs smacks trolls with a wicked wit. We got it Binky. That is enough. Do you need to know what wood the Stupid Stick is made of when people put more dents in that already badly dented skull of yours?
Oh Binky Braveheart popped in again.
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 9:30am.
Special. Taking a break from standing out in the rain in his Code Pink panties and t-shirt protesting against the Libyan War. Oh wait. Is Binky Braveheart protesting the Libyan War? Why, I really don't think he is. He only protests wars we can or will win. Lord knows we could go in and wipe out the dictator of a 3rd world nation in half a day should we actually commit. But we are in danger of losing because our President thinks it is a wise idea to take a back seat to a bunch of nations that collectively could not rout Binky Braveheart and his cohorts from the sidewalk in front of a Marine recruiting station.
You go Binky. Time to whine here about another strong woman. Can't have those. They are a threat to Binky's manhood.
Cyril Connolly shrewdly noticed a fashion for radical politics during the 1930s among those who "hated their father or were unhappy at public school or insulted at the customs or worried about sex."
Binky actually breaks the mold. He is one of the few that have mommy issues. Mommy was a little too dominant in little Binky Braveheart's younger years. She tried to wean him off his binky too early and Binky has never forgiven her since. As a result, he has carried that grudge into his adult life and takes it out on any woman that Binky views as a threat, i.e. any woman that has or aspires to any amount of power.
Hey Binky. Ann Coulter has a new book out. It must be difficult in the Binky household right about now. It always is when Ann hits the circuit to sell a book.
You know what they say: If
Submitted by JasonC on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 4:54pm.
You know what they say: If Cyril Connolly said it, it must be true.
Love you too, Vet.
It is likely, Jason C---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 7:28pm.
that the cognitive dissonance you mention reference Palin is in actuality what your brain senses about your worship for all things liberal when the real world reveals that libs are definitely on the wrong track.
Like continuing to worship Obama while evidence abounds that he is no more than a lying, sleazy, extremely inept individual whose only political successes have come about because he is precisely that - a lying, sleazy, politician.
MD
Where have I displayed
Submitted by JasonC on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 7:39pm.
Where have I displayed anything approaching "worship" of Obama?
~Tell us one thing you dislike about him
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 7:44pm.
.
Other then his
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 8:03pm.
Mom Jeans
Hi, the poster formerly known
Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 12:12am.
Hi, the poster formerly known as CL4x. Been awhile.
Aside from his handling of the BP spill and Libya, my disagreements are either just cringes at his impolitic way of handling things (the Gates incident, for instance) or - brace yourself - based on leftist critique; i.e., he's often not liberal enough. I'm not trying to suggest that I'm a huge Obama critic. I think he's a decent president. As was Bush in a lot of matters not related to Middle East policy, quite frankly. But I'm not an Obama fanboy either. To me, he's okay. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't know what gave credence to this idea that, with regard to these sorts of figures, we have to be either fanatically devoted or utterly hateful.
~Oh, I believe you
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 9:08am.
Did you hear about Obama getting heckled at his recent Florida fundraiser? You'd think it would be a hardcore right wingnut, but no, Obama got heckled from the left.
Trust me, Obama is as far left as you could wish for, but since he isn't allowed to be a dictator he can't wave his wand and usher in the Golden Age. The majority of America doesn't want him to, either.
Recent?
Submitted by Hunter S. on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 9:41am.
That link is 9 months old.
~Oh my, pardon me
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 9:59am.
Second verse, same as the first.
I'm sure you were completely ignorant of the fact that he was heckled two days ago, so I'll refrain from telling you to wipe your attitude.
Proving once again,
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 10:01am.
great minds think alike.
Henery the 8th I am
Submitted by Hunter S. on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 9:59am.
And I am what I am. Pardon granted.
~Target acquired
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 10:03am.
.
Here's something more recent...
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 10:01am.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/06/13/obama_heckled_at_fundr...
Of course maybe the heckler's are staying home like everyone else...
http://www.examiner.com/libertarian-in-national/obama-plays-to-a-half-em...
Obama is liberal, you are liberal---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 7:55pm.
automatic, no?
If not, I will just go with your own statement, Jason C, that the incident regarding Skippy Gates, the police, and Obama's statements regarding same, was "not important enough to look up."
Wouldn't want to go with the actual words Obama used on the off chance that doing so might remind conservatives that he made himself look stupid.
Better to just pass over the incident with a laissez-faire attitude.
MD
Surely you can see that my
Submitted by JasonC on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 7:56pm.
Surely you can see that my point was simply that the point I was making hardly turned on whether Obama used the word "dumb" or "stupid." I freely admit that it was one or the other.
Actually, the word he
Submitted by UpNorth on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 8:06pm.
used was "stupidly". After admitting that he didn't see the facts, so he didn't know "what role race played".
I'd say that your guy frequently opens his pie hole without having the facts. And people thought that Biden was the gaffe machine?
How is he "my guy"? Are you
Submitted by JasonC on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 11:50pm.
How is he "my guy"? Are you even reading this thread? Where is this nonsense coming from? I find Palin to be an egregious choice to lead the country so I must be wearing an "I Love Barack" t-shirt and watching his inauguration on Youtube over and over?
So sorry,
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 11:38am.
I took your acknowledgement of being liberal/left/progressive to mean that you more or less approved of Obama, making him your "guy".
Because I subscribe to conservative values, rather than liberal, he isn't, can't be, won't ever be, "my guy". I'm sure you can see my mistake, after all, reading what you've posted from time to time, I was fairly certain you'd voted for Obama, kinda making him "your guy".
Nice of you, JasonC---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 8:15pm.
to "freely admit" to the fact that Obama used 'one or the other' .
Seeing as how you are an admitted liberal, surely you can see that as an avowed conservative, I have learned through experience to lay little, if any credence, upon liberal ideas, exclamations, suggestions, or points they are trying to make.
When I was young and inexperienced, I tried to listen to libs with a neutral ear.
Definitely one of the bigger wastes of time that I ever indulged in.
MD
The word choice was not the
Submitted by balboa on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 8:18pm.
The word choice was not the point. Jason admitted it was one or the other for the sake of expediency. This is not the larger point of his post or this discussion.
Giving liberals as much undiluted crap, ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 8:51pm.
as possible, bal, is, however, the larger point of my posts and "discussions".
I learned long ago not to waste my time being nice, presenting my beliefs as a conservative, or trying to convert a liberal.
A lib either grows wiser with age, or not.
A liberal spouting his or her litany of woes is one thing; it is entirely something else again to expect me to believe, based on what I have seen of this world, that liberals have an answer to any problem that does anything to rectify the problem itself; rather, the answer manifests itself as either becoming a part of the initial problem, or nothing more than an in house back-slapping so the lib can indulge in paroxysmal feelings of "I done good."
On the occasion that a liberal presents something straight up, without the underpinnings of a talking point, then I may listen.
Maybe.
MD
MD has basically gone into
Submitted by JasonC on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 11:49pm.
MD has basically gone into anti-liberal freakout mode. Apparently channeling Black Bart, he wants us all to know he's not a nice fella when it comes to conversing anonymously online with libs. I am humbled. All of liberal ideology boiled down to a few unfortunate encounters between MD and who knows what sort of dreadlocked patchouli-stinking leftards.
And, oddly enough, he's somehow managed to make this about my alleged love of Obama despite being unable to dredge up a single moment in my 5.5 years posting here in which I've ever professed admiration for him.
The strangest thing is that I was expressing empathy for people who are put off by Obama's alleged elitism. I don't regard him as an elitist exactly, but I can see how if one was a gun owner or churchgoer (I am neither) they might be offended by his "religion and guns" remark. Absolutely fair. Yet it is apparently shallow of me to remark upon Palin's "cult of personality" as worrisome? Have conservatives suddenly forgotten that they've spent the last 3 years decrying the dog-and-pony show of Obama's campaign? I hate to engage in "If the shoe was on the other foot..." style arguments, but since a good 2/3 of NB's content these days hinges upon a hypothetical wherein "liberal-leaning person X said something racist/sexist/anti-American; imagine the uproar if conservative-leaning person Y had said this!!!" but there you have it.
Phweet.
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 11:57pm.
3/4 of Binky Braveheart's posts are decrying what 2/3 of NB's posters and contributors are saying. The other 1/4 is whining about what crap the commoners consume or enjoy - Mcdonalds. SUV's. Big Brand Beer. Walmart. Sarah Palin. Non-government healthcare. Ann Coulter. Christianity. Non-gay sex. Non-pink underwear. etc.
Awww, look who cobbled
Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 1:05am.
Awww, look who cobbled together a coherent post! It has real words! No random boldface or links to 4-year-old threads!
That's super work!
Awwww. Look who's panties need cleaning.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 11:37am.
Just the one pair of Code Pink Panties for your war protesting?
Look. I can make nasty little ad hominem insults as well.
You should come around more often, JasonC,---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 12:07am.
then you wouldn't say stupid shit about me having 'basically gone into anti-liberal freakout mode'.
I am always in anti-liberal mode.
You freaks made me that way. :o)
And what kind of racist prick are you, bringing up "Black Bart" and "dreadlocks"?
Typical liberal, you are; thinking that throwing in "patchouli-stinking leftards' after dreadlocks would somehow disguise your bone marrow deep racist attitude.
For shame.
Oh, that's right. You're a liberal. You and Anthony Weiner.
Never mind.
MD
You're always anti-liberal.
Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 12:22am.
You're always anti-liberal. Great. Most people here are.
The "freak-out" mode pertains to your blind assumptions about my political allegiances. And somehow making a thread about Palin into one in which the burden of proof regarding my non-Obamania is on me. The very fact that you use the phrase "typical liberal" highlights that you wish to project your obviously limited exposure to liberal thought onto anyone who dares set foot in a right-wing forum.
Yeah, yeah. "Liberal thought" is an oxymoron. I know. Maybe next we can collaborate on some super-original ways to combine Democrat senators' names with unflattering adjectives!
I'm going to go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that the accusations of racism were an elaborate tongue-in-cheek joke since Black Bart was not black and, while people of all races are capable of growing dreadlocks, those who do so and are generally associated with bourgeois liberalism and patchouli tend not to be minorities.
Not blind assumptions, JasonC---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 12:48am.
merely reactions to your liberal twaddle.
Any thread on Palin is inevitably going to invoke Obama's name.
Attractive vs. ugly, America loving vs. not, etc., etc.
As far as giving me the benefit of the doubt, don't bother.
I really don't need it or want it.
MD
OK, so you're a Message Board
Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 1:03am.
OK, so you're a Message Board Badass. Duly noted.
JasonC---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 4:38am.
"The fact that you couldn't pay me to own a gun" Jason C, that is.
Yep, the fact that I own and know how to use weapons makes me a far badder ass than you.
Even without a firearm, my not being a metro-sexual, pseudo-intellectual, pussy liberal male makes me a badder ass than you, as well.
For all that money talks and BS walks, I really don't have much to fear from liberal "stalwarts" who fight with their mouth.
So you are a Message Board Weenie.
Also noted.
MD
Beats being Binky Braveheart the Mollycoddle.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 4:56am.
Biinky Braveheart the mollycoddle that disappears for months on end only to come back and complain loudly this place sucks. Oh and gays should get married. And monkeys too. Not enough monkey/Binky I mean monkey/human marriages nowadays. Oh and beers that come in cans suck. And Mcdonalds sucks. And SUV's suck. And Sarah Palin sucks. And breeders suck. And Ann Coulter sucks. And what else are we missiing Binky the pink pantie wearing sucktroll.
I will take the mischaracterized Message Board Badass over the Whiny This Site Sucks Internet Commenter Milksop any day.
Goodness!
Submitted by wiwf on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 10:35am.
Goodness!