Skip to main content
  • CNSNews.com
  • MRC TV
  • Biz & Media
  • Culture & Media
  • TimesWatch
  • Take Action!

Join Us @:
Facebook
Twitter
Amazon Kindle

Free email alerts!

NewsBusters logo
May 25, 2013
  • Home
  • Blogs
  • About
  • Forum
  • Take Action
  • Contact
  • Donate
  • Search
  • RSS

Hot Topics

  • Obama Targets Fox News
  • IRS Targets Tea Party
  • Censoring the News
Home » Blogs » Noel Sheppard's blog
  • Bozell Column: The 'Assassinate Wall Street' Movie
  • Paul Krugman’s Flagrant ‘Austerity’ Double Standard
  • WashPost's Milbank Mocks Nikki Haley, 'Reached Out to' 'White Supremacists'
  • Networks Give Three Times More Quotes to Supporters of Gay Scout Admittance Than Opponents
  • State Dept. Official Who Altered Benghazi Talking Points Promoted; Only Fox Covered
  • MSNBC’s Krystal Ball Gushes Over Obama Speech, Claims the President is ‘Reining In His Own Power’
  • NBC Fails to Report Its Own Scoop That AG Holder Approved Investigation of Fox's Rosen
  • Video: Bozell's Prediction Pans Out, Media In Full-on 'Move On' Mode in Obama Scandal Coverage

Juan Williams Spars With Chris Wallace Over Public Support For Afghanistan War

By Noel Sheppard | June 12, 2011 | 22:49

A  A
Noel Sheppard's picture

Fox News haters love to advance the myth that the network pushes exclusively conservative views and the anchors surround themselves with right-leaning yes men who never question them.

On the latest installment of "Fox News Sunday," liberal political analyst Juan Williams challenged host Chris Wallace's view of the public's support for the war in Afghanistan leading to a humorous exchange (video follows with transcript and commentary):

CHRIS WALLACE, HOST: Bill, there's another interesting fact in this whole equation, and that is that General David Petraeus, the commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, is about to apparently give the president his recommendation. Does the president dare go against Petraeus -- and you know that recommendation will become public -- given the fact that Petraeus is widely credited with not -- if not winning the war, certainly beginning to turn it around? And also, the president has named him to be his CIA director.

BILL KRISTOL, THE WEEKLY STANDARD: I suppose General Petraeus might give him two or three options and say --

WALLACE: But we always know the middle one is the one --

(CROSSTALK)

KRISTOL: Higher ones would assume more risk. I think any drawdown assumes some risk, incidentally. But I take the point that he will want to keep his word and do a little bit of a drawdown. The fact is the surge has succeeded in the south, it's succeeding -- it needs one more fighting season there. But we were still set on the ground. It has to go east now and clean up the Haqqani network there. Then I think there's a real chance in 2013 -- just as the president has been saying, 2014 is the real agreed-upon deadline for when we really turn over responsibility to the Afghans. I think he's on course to making that.

And it would be terrible, as I say, to take much greater risk just for the sake of appeasing a few politicians here and a few people in Congress who like popping off. He can stand course for the 2013 -- much bigger drawdown of 2013, and with a real turnover in 2014, I think.

JUAN WILLIAMS, FOX POLITICAL ANALYST: All the wise men of Washington want him to stay. John Kerry wants him to stay, you want him to stay. But let me just say --

WALLACE: No. Supposedly, John Kerry is saying that he'd like to see -- pardon?

BRIT HUME: He's going the other way.

WALLACE: Kerry is now talking about, you know, we've accomplished a lot, maybe we need to drawn down faster.

WILLIAMS: But not at the rate that I think the American people -- the American people want it over. When you're spending --

(CROSSTALK)

WALLACE: How do you know what the American people want, Juan?

WILLIAMS: Well, you look at the numbers. Look at the support for this war. It's not there.

WALLACE: Actually, that's not true. The support for the war has actually increased.

MARA LIASSON, NPR: No, no, no.

WILLIAMS: It's increased from what? It's very minimal. This is minimal support. You're fooling yourself.

WALLACE: Really? All right. So we'll take your idea about what the American people want.

WILLIAMS: I just think you should look at the numbers.

WALLACE: The polls?

WILLIAMS: Yes.

WALLACE: OK. That's how we're going to run the war? Good. Thank you.

WILLIAMS: Oh, please.

WALLACE: Thanks, panel. See you next week.

WILLIAMS: You always get the last word.

WALLACE: Up next, we hear from you. I'm the moderator.

(LAUGHTER)

As you can see, Fox is just a right-wing echo chamber espousing exclusively conservative views - just like the Left and their media minions tell you.

About the Author

Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Click here to follow Noel Sheppard on Twitter.
  • Afghanistan
  • War on Terrorism
  • Foreign Policy
  • Military
  • Bill Kristol
  • David Petraeus
  • Juan Williams
  • Mara Liasson
  • Robert Gates
  • FOX
  • Fox News Sunday
  • Noel Sheppard's blog
  • Login to post comments
  • Printer-friendly version
Stop Censoring The Gosnell Trial!

Comments

and I wouldn't say Chris

Submitted by Chris Norman on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 10:57pm.

and I wouldn't say Chris Wallace is particularly conservative. In fact, he's one of the good journalists/interviewers who you don't really know exactly where they stand politically. He's tough on members of both parties.

Let's make the 2012 campaign: "The War on Error"
  • Login to post comments

All i want

Submitted by Bob K on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 11:51pm.

to know is just how long are we expected to be over there. A corrupt govt that does not want us other for what they can steal. One thing that is certain, one year after the last U.S. soldier leaves. It will be as if we never went. It is not worth the blood or money we have paid for it. Fuck 'em. And in the future if we can identify a terrorist threat there....carpet bomb the dump again and again.

Bob K
  • Login to post comments

Bob K---

Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 12:09am.

I completely agree with your thoughts, and while saying "Screw them" really isn't as gut level satisfying or directly to the point as "F" 'em, you will likely get heat for spelling out the word.

I'm not the thought police, my record for bad words on threads probably isn't topped by any current posters, but I like what you have to say and just thought I'd give you a heads up.

No offense intended.

MD

 

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
  • Login to post comments

I agree

Submitted by Rukus on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 8:19am.

but sometimes the f-bomb works and is needed, sadly.... I will back Bob up on that ... 'ef em! No offence needed, I've dropped it once myself when it was needed, but your point is well taken.

edit: I, myself dropped the f-bomb myself in the famous insest thread, it was needed as far as i thought and free backed me up. just to let y'all know so i am not seeming as a hypocrite....

sorry for the grammatically bad sentence.....oh! that was bad too....

_____________________________________________________________ I'm not too drunk to dance! It's just that people keep stepping on my hands!
  • Login to post comments

Any one that resorts to such

Submitted by bassndude on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 11:02am.

Any one that resorts to such crude language simply demonstrates their lack of command of the language. It shows  ignorance and little, if any, respect for those that they expose to it. In other words, one who has an extensive grammar school education has no need to expose their ignorance. It counters any "intelligent" meaning they may have tried to convey.

 

Save a SeAL, club a liberal/troll!!

  • Login to post comments

Get It Done or Get Out

Submitted by JustAl on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 8:33am.

A C&C who dithered for months before sending something like 60% of the requested troops is hardly a "surge" let alone the fact that most were not / are not combat troops. Once again we are sending our children to fight for a corrupt foreign government with one hand tied behind their backs.

Now is the time for the REAL surge, most expect this to be the biggest enemy spring offensive of the war. If we would only meet and crush it with overwhelming force we could very quickly leave. Instead we rely more and more on the Afghan army that can easily be bought and are reluctant to fight their relatives.

I could go on, but the other things pis--ing me off about the situation might have negative repercussions for the troops, one of whom is my son.

  • Login to post comments

Hi JustAl, I agree with every word your wrote here, and your...

Submitted by whraglyn on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 5:54pm.

profile comnents are on target, as well.

Btw, your C&C is incorrect.
The term is 'Commander In Chief', not 'Commander & Chief'.

Getting it right is important not so much to honor the currrent holder of the title, but to honor good men such as your son and nephews who serve honorably under such a dishonorable CINC.

Sorry if that logic is tortured, but there it is.

Cheers!

  • Login to post comments

Bob K...

Submitted by iveseenitall on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 11:08am.

A corrupt government which only wants to steal--- are you talking about Afghanistan...or America?

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal" (progressive)

  • Login to post comments

ahem, unnecessary language in the previous post

Submitted by mom_rox on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 12:09am.

love, mom

  • Login to post comments

Well,mom.............I guess

Submitted by killa37 on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 4:27am.

Well,mom.............I guess that you can say it anyway you want..............in R-rated form or in G-rated form...........but I'm all for it. I'd say it for ALL of the Moooooooooooooooooooooooslem countries, actually. We DON'T need them for a damn thing, and the sooner we make that happen, the better off we will be, and - to tell you the truth - I don't give a crap what happens to them............

And if they DO want to have something to do with US...................then they can damn well do it on OUR terms. Name me ONE THING that the Moooooooooooooooooooooslems have EVER done to make this world a better place!!!

  • Login to post comments

mom

Submitted by Rukus on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 6:16am.

see my post above, yes, it was bad but in context it was ok. Fork, frell, frick, would be better but sometimes the f-bomb makes a point.... but unnecessary language is correct, I'm yes and no on this point....
love you too mom! : )

_____________________________________________________________ I'm not too drunk to dance! It's just that people keep stepping on my hands!
  • Login to post comments

No, in context it wasn't

Submitted by motherbelt on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 6:35am.

No, in context it wasn't "OK."

That's just rationalization.

  • Login to post comments

Then I appolgize.

Submitted by Rukus on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 8:19am.

Frell! I hate me sometimes....

_____________________________________________________________ I'm not too drunk to dance! It's just that people keep stepping on my hands!
  • Login to post comments

Why are you apologizing? You

Submitted by motherbelt on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 10:46am.

Why are you apologizing? You aren't the one who said it.

The most we have is a disagreement about the appropriateness.

It's easy to rationalize.

As an example:  My new year's resolution was (and is) to stop saying "sucks."


 I hated that word for a long time, wouldn't use it.  Then because everyone else was saying it I used  it once, twice, and then it got to be a habit,.  Then one I heard someone say  s"***s  (an anatomical part)  and realized how disgusting it sounded.

So I decided not to use it any more.  I have done really well; my slips I can count on one hand.  And it's surprising how well one can converse without using that word.

"Stinks" works just as well, or I use the Italian version "puzza" which I think sounds a bit stronger.

And I can appreciate the sentiment of "F 'em if they can't take a joke" but IMO  it's not something that should be thrown around willy-nilly either.

  • Login to post comments

I have the same problem with

Submitted by Scuba Dude on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 10:53am.

I have the same problem with using the word "like" so many times when conversing with someone or "you know".

As far as the cursing goes here on NB I do wish it were not done. At least do not type out the entire word or use something else. We are not the Daily Kos or Huffington Post you know. ;-)

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." President Ronald Reagan
  • Login to post comments

thanks, mb

Submitted by mom_rox on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 6:06pm.

for your comments. One of the many reasons I like this site is because the language is a LOT cleaner than that found on other sites.

  • Login to post comments

Good for Wallace

Submitted by Red Jeep on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 8:51am.

"WILLIAMS: But not at the rate that I think the American people -- the American people want it over. When you're spending --

(CROSSTALK)

WALLACE: How do you know what the American people want, Juan?

Exactly. It seems lately that a lot of journ0lists off the top of their head seem to know what the American people think that just happen to support the journ0list's point of view.

Sources please.

  • Login to post comments

Confirmation

Submitted by Chris Norman on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 10:04am.

It would have been funny if Wallace had whipped out a phone book and said, "Let's call some Americans, Juan, to confirm what you assert..."

Let's make the 2012 campaign: "The War on Error"
  • Login to post comments

That would have been something!

Submitted by Red Jeep on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 10:19am.

.

  • Login to post comments

Since when does the president

Submitted by motherbelt on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 10:43am.

Since when does the president care what Americans think?

Example: Obamacare

Were Americans clamoring for that?

  • Login to post comments

Not exactly

Submitted by bsny on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 11:32am.

Noel says "Fox News haters love to advance the myth that the network pushes exclusively conservative views and the anchors surround themselves with right-leaning yes men who never question them."

Not true. What is objectionable is the number of righty Fox New Contributors who have numerous, one-person segments - Morris, Rove, Palin, your own Brent Bozo, others, etc. When you see a lib on Fox, it is almost always balanced by out by conservative. You almost never see a Beckel or Juan Williams alone. And then, you have liberal jokes like Colmes.

  • Login to post comments

Wrong

Submitted by Cappmann1962 on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 1:24pm.

Noel is 100% correct. From the LSM, to the cable spoon-feeders (CNN, MSLSD, ect.), and right up to the administration itself, the standard tactic is to make a lame attempt to discredit FOX by calling it a right-wing news source, an "arm of the republican party", or "Faux News". So the statement is accurate.
Also, Juan Williams often subs for O'Reilly for Christ's sake! And what about good ole Sheppard Smith? You can't get much farther from being conservative without listing to the left. And Greta is a self-confessed democrat. There's two libs with their own shows, and one very lib subbing for one of the supposedly "most right wing" hosts on FOX.
Finally, your petty name-calling of Brent BOZELL pretty much speaks for YOUR leanings, doesn't it? The only thing you got right was your comment about Alan Colmes...

  • Login to post comments

Oh look. bsny smears Mr. Bozell again.

Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 9:08am.

 

Nothing like yet another smear from the troll that claims Fox News is not balanced.

Hating on Brent Bozell


•Would anyone be surprised if Brent Bozell had a good sized stash of gay porn hidden on his computer?
• I'm beginning to think that Brent is an expert in gay porn.
•...the esteemed Brent Bozo.
•C'mon Brent   You know you're only upset because you'd prefer to have a threesome with Jerry Falwell.
•My statement on Brent Bozell Just like Keith Olbermann, this man is a horse's ass.
•It's really no different than a Hannity and Bozell segment that features two openly moronic commentators...
•the "Fair & Balanced" network brings on Mr. Bozo twice...
•...el Bozo's appearance...
•...Bozell, on the other hand, turns out he does like a little sausage every now and then.

•Brent: When do you plan to have that stick removed from your ass?

bsny - Brent Bozell hater troll - another troll that has outstayed his welcome

And a new one today -


...your own Brent Bozo...
 

  • Login to post comments

Unfounded Criticism?

Submitted by IrateNate on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 12:18pm.

What astounds me is the number of people who claim to be FoxNews "haters" yet admit they have never actually watched the programs they so adamantly despise. They simply let the unbiased folks over at MSNBC make up their minds for them....

  • Login to post comments

Noel

Submitted by Cappmann1962 on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 1:10pm.

Is there really a need to provide proof that FOX is the most fair news source? Anyone who would argue won't be swayed by stupid little things like facts and examples. I still have a co-worker claiming FOX is right-wing because years ago O'Reilly picked on some rapper with a story that was supposedly not true, and he failed to correct the record. It's always been my experience that any FOX personality owns up to any mistakes made, or directly challenges anyone who says their facts are wrong with facts and figures.

  • Login to post comments

Equating $$$ for the military

Submitted by amyshulk on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 2:06pm.

Equating $$$ for the military to $$$ for entitlements, paid into or not, is a false equivalence and the R's need to shut this down ASAP.

The government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
Ronald Reagan
  • Login to post comments

Some war!

Submitted by BobAnthony on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 3:27pm.

It's illegal to begin with oh tasters of the false left-right paradigm. In fact there are in a related subject 87 REPUBLICAN HOUSE MEMBERS who are against going into Libya. And the establishment neocon GOP calls them isolationist (WTF?!?!?!) Well TRUE CONSERVATIVE Jack Hunter would like a work with you...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLVlv_OP5Gw&feature=feedu

The reason the media is corrupt?  Two words...OPERATION MOCKINGBIRD!

 

MOCKINGBIRD - The Subversion Of The Free Press By The CIA

  • Login to post comments

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
Stop Censoring The Gosnell Trial!

Editors' Picks

  • Obama/Holder DOJ's radical departure on press freedom is chilling (Boutrous @ WSJ)
  • Oops: Obama fails to salute Marine, went back to shake hand (Weekly Standard)
  • Deputy kills PBS NewsHour staffer (Washington Examiner)
  • Oklahoma disaster was tragic, but larger ones have occurred (USA Today)
  • Mainstream Media Scream: Today’s Savannah Guthrie questions GOP ‘overreach’ (Paul Bedard, Washington Examiner)
  • Desperate Carney complains asking about scandals like asking about birth certificate (RCP)
  • Look at NYT's partisan-hack rewrite of the IRS hearing (Draw and STRIKE!)
Ann Coulter's picture
Ann Coulter
Ann Coulter Column: When Did We Vote to Become Mexico?
Chuck Norris's picture
Chuck Norris
Chuck Norris Column: Why Tim Tebow Is an Ultimate Clutch Player
Walter E. Williams's picture
Walter E. Williams
Walter E. Williams Column: Hating America
Michelle Malkin's picture
Michelle Malkin
Malkin Column: Obama's Emptiest Benghazi Talking Point
Ann Coulter's picture
Ann Coulter
Coulter Column: Sorry, Sen. Rubio, But Your Immigration Plan Is Still Problematic
More >

RSS FeedAmazon KindleFacebookTwitter

Stop Censoring The News!

Gosnell's Just the Tip of the Iceberg
more cartoons
  • Leno: Obama Can Close Gitmo By Making it a Government-Funded Solar Company
  • Charlie Sheen Changes Name to Carlos Estevez for Upcoming 'Machete Kills' Film
  • HUH? Slate Editor: Kaitlyn Hunt Case 'Is About Gay Rights. But It’s Not About That'
  • Weekend Open Thread
  • Leno: ‘Not Looking Good for Obama - Today His Teleprompter Took the Fifth’
More >
NewsBusters

Executive Editor
Matthew Sheffield

Editor at Large
Brent Baker

Senior Editors
Tim Graham
Rich Noyes

Managing Editor
Ken Shepherd

Associate Editor
Noel Sheppard

Contributing Editors
Tom Blumer
Geoffrey Dickens
Dan Gainor
David Limbaugh
Mithridate Ombud
Clay Waters
Scott Whitlock

Senior Contributor
Mark Finkelstein

Contributing Writers
Matthew Balan
Michael M. Bates
Erin R. Brown
Jack Coleman
Kyle Drennen
Douglas Ernst
P. J. Gladnick
Stephen Gutowski
Matt Hadro
D. S. Hube
Kathleen McKinley
Dave Pierre
Amy Ridenour
Julia A. Seymour
Terry Trippany
Rusty Weiss
Brad Wilmouth

Publisher
Brent Bozell

Site Design
Dialog New Media

 

  • Home
  • Blogs
  • About
  • Forum
  • Contact
  • Donate
  • Search
  • Account
  • rss
  • CNSNews
  • MRC TV
  • Biz & Media
  • Culture & Media
  • Take Action!
  • Twitter
  • Facebook
  • Amazon Kindle
  • Advertise
  • Jobs

Copyright © 2005-2013 NewsBusters.
Privacy Policy | Terms of Use