ABC's Claire Shipman: 'A Group of All White Men Are Not Going to Reach the Best Decisions'
ABC's "This Week" actually used the occasion of Congressman Anthony Weiner's (D-N.Y.) sex scandal to discuss whether this was "a good moment for women."
During a lengthy segment, host Christiane Amanpour along with her exclusively white female guests proceeded to bash members of the opposite sex with ABC's Claire Shipman actually saying, "A group of all white men are not going to reach the best decisions" (video follows with transcript and commentary):
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, HOST: You'd be hard-pressed to find a sex scandal involving a female politician these days, which begs the question, what if there were more women in politics and in positions of power? Would they change the way business is done from Wall Street to Washington and beyond?
We decided to explore that issue this morning with Torie Clarke, the former assistant secretary of defense for public affairs in the Bush administration, with Cecilia Attias, the former first lady of France who was married to president Nicolas Sarkozy, and she is the founder of Cecilia Attias Foundation for Women, and ABC's Claire Shipman, author of "Womenomics: Write Your Own Rules For Success."
So this is a great moment to discuss something that we always try to discuss. What would parity mean? We're not trying to say that if it was all women and not men the world would be different. We're trying to understand, would there be a difference in attitude, in behavior, in results?
So let me start with you. You think this might be actually a good moment for women, this scandal?
CLARKE: I do. In politics, in the public sector, often women are seen as more honest, more sincere, those -- harder-working, all of which I think is true, so this may be an opportunity for more women to step into those positions. But I'm thinking -- you know, yes, we want parity in so many ways. Where we don't want parity is that when they get to those positions and they get the power and adulation that Senator Ensign was talking about, we don't want them to behave in the same way. So I want parity of a certain kind, and I'm very hopeful that women do achieve more of these positions, they're not going to engage in the same kind of behavior.
AMANPOUR: It is interesting you say that, because there has been a study done in the Netherlands about power and suggesting, by polling, you know, perhaps women might behave that way if there were as many of them in power. But I want to ask you because you've written a book specifically about this, and there is a lot of research that talks about what the effect on society is of more women in various areas of power.
SHIPMAN: It's interesting, Christiane, because one woman I've really been watching is Christine Lagarde, the French finance minister, who may soon be the head of the IMF. And she has been talking about this for a number of years. She's been sounding the alarm about the perils of too much testosterone in a room.
And it's true. What you find -- there are half-a-dozen major studies that show the more women you have at a company, the more senior women, the more money it makes. There are studies -- there was a recent study that was done from 2000 to 2009 about women hedge fund managers. They doubled the rate of success of their hedge funds compared to male-managed hedge funds. And they manage this way. They don't manage -- the hedge funds don't go up and down.
There's also an economist at the University of Michigan who has studied diversity and decision-making and has found that, in every business decision, diversity leads to better decisions. In other words, a group of all white men are not going to reach the best decisions.
Imagine for a second a televised panel of exclusively white men discussing why a group of non-white men or an assemblage of females of any ethnic group would not reach the best decisions.
The network, the producers, and the anchor involved would all be required to make public apologies.
Yet, as we've seen from the media in recent years, attacking white men is not only acceptable, it's all the rage.
I don't know about you, but as a successful white man who has raised two wonderful children that both will likely be very successful members of this society, I'm getting awfully tired of the reverse racism and reverse sexism in this nation.
Is this really what my son who has just graduated from college has to look forward to the rest of his life, or is all this white male-bashing going to some day soon run its course?
As an aside, Shipman is married to Jay Carney, the current White House press secretary.
Makes you wonder what he thinks about white men or if he shares his wife's disdain for them - especially as he is one.
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FOUNDING FATHERS
Submitted by JPTSO3 on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 4:58pm.
YEAH.... that founding fathers group of all white guys - terrible decision makers
My thought exactly, JP.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 5:03pm.
Too bad that our Founding Fathers didn't have the benefit of the fantastic knowledge of freedom that they could have gotten from all those hugely successful African continent democracies, or from the very democratic Orient.
Just think! We could be as successful as Kenya or Zimbabwe, or even China when it comes to human rights and freedom!
Yeah, those stupid white guys who wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were really poor decision makers.
Double ditto
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 9:22pm.
JP & Newsbubba! I mean really! When confronted with the simple FACT of what JP said, how can that be argued? She is plain racist and wrong! FACT!
As for men, Jesus and his disciples did pretty well too, ehh?
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
→ Wise Latinas, maybe?
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 4:58pm.
Fits right in with her wish list.
And by the end of her generation it will all be bequeathed back to the sons.
They want to emasculate everybody else's sons before they go to cutting on their own.
Well, at least now we all know
Submitted by CHP on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 4:56pm.
that a group of all UGLY women are not going to reach the best decisions.
or even good looking ones...
Submitted by jkwtrading on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 5:03pm.
or even good looking ones... lol..maybe for make up..
It's not so much a man/woman issue.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 5:09pm.
I think it has much more to do with conservative/liberal outlook. Put Ann Coulter into this mix of bubble brains, and she would make relish out of the whole bunch.
By the same token, adding a man like say Rachel Maddow wouldn't help a bit, because he is still a brain dead liberal.
This may sound sexist but.....
Submitted by MidAmerica on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 5:03pm.
Name one country or major society that was created and run exclusively by women.
IF... women (as a group) were really good at running countries and/or societies then it would have been obvious by now after a few thousand years of civilization.
Estrogen maintains the status quo.
Testosterone both creates and destroys.
I'd love to hear
Submitted by HockeyKid on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 5:03pm.
actual citations of the studies Shipman uses as the foundation for her argument. I'm willing to bet that the authors of the "studies" set out to find exactly what they found.
I also heard recently about a study that found that women tend to be more bloodthirsty and vengeful when in positions of authority, contrary to the ever-popular "if women were in charge we'd have diplomacy instead of wars" diatribe.
So there, Claire. Everybody's got a study. So what?
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
I'm with you, H-Kid
Submitted by Galvanic on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 5:39pm.
For example, what specifically are "better decisions?" Did they increase profits? Or were they decisions to grant family sick leave, pay for abortions, etc.?
The distinction is important. Look at the attacks on Herman Cain, who took over Godfather's Pizza when it was failing miserably. Cain improved efficiencies by closing unprofitable stores and reorganizing the corporation.
To the business community, Cain is an outstanding example of a thinker who knows what it takes to run a corporation.
But to the MSM and the Dems, Cain's closing of stores cost jobs, and he was thus a failure.
Transpose the Cain dichotomy to the Federal government --
Cain might make Washington more efficient and affordable by trimming away the wasteful agencies and programs, thus saving the economy.
But the Dems would condemn him for laying off Federal workers and reducing services.
And there you have the crux of what should be the big issue in 2012.
Gee! An economist at U of M said....
Submitted by krendler on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 5:10pm.
There's also an economist at the University of Michigan who has studied diversity and decision-making and has found that, in every business decision, diversity leads to better decisions. In other words, a group of all white men are not going to reach the best decisions.
Sheesh. Really, Claire? There's an economist in Michigan that says so, and that opens the door for you to slam a particular race?
I'd think the intelligence and experience of the group would have a lot greater bearing on making sound decisions than the diversity of its skin color. How 'bout hair color? Better to have a mix of brunettes, blondes, and baldies?
I'd love to see the specifics of that "study." Every business decision is better if made by a racially diverse group. Got it. I wonder what methodology was used in the study. What the control group consisted of, etc.
The usual 20/20 hindsight for liberals.
Submitted by drsamherman on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 7:57pm.
Who is the economist, Claire? Where is the evidence published? What methodology was employed?
I don't expect a vacuous teleprompter-addicted talking head (including Ear Leader) to recognize what constitutes well-conducted and tested research unless the writer puts it in the script for them.
Saying "there's an economist at ..... who studies ..... and has concluded that ...." without proper citation is as vague, uninformed and vacant as it gets. Congrats, Claire--you win this week's White House Spin-ster" award.
My guess is that Shipman was referring to Scott Page...
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 8:30pm.
a University of Michigan professor who has researched and written on the subject fairly extensively.
Here's a related link with excerpts.
Jer
Page's writings come across to me as a ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 9:33pm.
supportive crutch for Affirmative Action and political correctness.
MD
Matthew...
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 10:24pm.
If you read the somewhat lengthy excerpts available at the second link I posted, you'll note Page makes a strong case for the benefits of the multi-dimensional approach to problem solving over homogeneity or "group think"--even if the individual abilities of the latter members are superior to those of the more diverse representatives. But there are several preconditions and qualifications, too complicated to go into here.
Jer
So, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 11:59pm.
Tell me, are YOU in favor of following a multi-dimensional approach (a politically correct way of saying that minorities are included in the think stream), over homogeneity, or "group think", even if the individual abilities of the latter members are superior to those of the more diverse representatives?
That is exactly the kind of stupid assed liberal PC BS that is destroying this once great country.
In capitalistic America, you pick the smartest, the most experienced, the absolute BEST you can find, to fill a position or positions.
Period.
Doing otherwise, regardless of what it is painted to resemble and how it is sold is completely contrary to common sense.
Selecting job applicants to hire or current employees for promotion based on gender or ethnic minority status or "percentages" is the stupidest god-d*mned thing I have ever heard of, yet it is practiced day in and day out because of idiotic thinking on the part of "let's do it for votes" politicians and 'Let's do it to feel good" liberals.
Chief Justice John Roberts said "the way to stop discrimination based on race is to stop discriminating based on race."
I believe the above statement to be true; therefore there are NOT several preconditions and qualifications that are too complicated to go into here, as following Robert's statement to the letter makes those preconditions and qualifications completely irrelevant.
MD
Strong case my eye, Jer. His
Submitted by ThisnThat on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 6:34am.
Strong case my eye, Jer. His "case" is so full of holes that only the most biased agenda-pushing liberals could possibly accept the unsubstantiated lies and fabricated "data" pushed by this admitted product of affirmative action himself. Just two examples:
There’s certainly a lot of evidence that people’s identity groups — ethnic, racial, sexual, age — matter when it comes to diversity in thinking. This is just total BS. When people identify themselves according to "identify", Balkanization occurs. These groups try to color everything in terms of "their" benefits, and soon become hostile to each other. And if this panel of women weren't so consumed by their obvious double-standards, they'd be screaming at the Congressional black caucus to become more diverse -- a call, by the way, which has never been made by any liberal person ever.
I constructed a formal model that showed mathematically that diversity can trump ability. Oh yeah? Don't tell that to Einstein, Aristotle, Newton, Pascal, Lincoln, Paul Revere, Patton, or any and all other individuals with true ability. In fact, you'd be hard-pressed to show even a single instance where a group of so-called "diverse" individuals did anything worth-while in the name of diversity. The only reason Page gets away with this statement is because of the PC mentality of liberal idiots everywhere, and the total blind acceptance of these idiots by the like-minded MSM.
__________
“Didn't win the Medal of Honor? Didn't even serve? Then lie about it. We'll support you." — 9th Circuit Court
Jer, I agree with multi-dimensional approaches . . .
Submitted by Galvanic on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 10:36am.
. . . to problem-solving, and diversity can stimulate that. Regarding group-think, I believe there's some irony here. When the MSM-types speak of diversity, they mean progressive group-think. If an individual is black, or female, or gay, the only contribution they are welcomed to contribute is that which rests on progressive dogma.
The product of such 'diversity' isn't innovative problem-specific solutions, but rather templated doctrine.
Ask Christina Hoff Sommers, or Camille Paglia, or Tammy Bruce just how welcome their diverse feminist views are at NOW seminars.
Galvanic...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 4:53pm.
I only have a minute, but since you are the only one who is on the right track here, I'll respond to you now and just quickly note that Page's modeling produced distinctions between cognitive diversity and cultural diversity. An example of the former was the assemblage of the British code breakers working at Bletchley during WWII comprised of a broad mixture of cryptologists, logicians, mathematicians, crossword puzzle junkies, electrical and mechanical engineers, etc. as opposed to "experts" from a single discipline. That is the type of diversity which Page posits produces consistently better results--in problem solving and decision making-- when compared with a homogeneous group composed of individuals of superior ability.
His conclusions regarding cultural diversity--race, gender, ethnicity--were less emphatic and far more limited, variable and problematic. They don't directly contradict Shipman, but neither do they support her assertions to the degree she suggests [assuming it was Page she had in mind].
Jer
Of course, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 1:37am.
That "broad" mixture of cryptologists, logicians, mathematicians, crossword puzzle junkies, electrical and mechanical engineers, etc., wouldn't be accepted by todays political correctness dictates unless each area of expertise contained a minority.
The overall premise as it relates to diversity is still BS.
"Diversity" is lib-speak for "Got to have minorities represented or else racism has come to the fore."
MD
Also, MD, Jer is very good at
Submitted by ThisnThat on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 7:59am.
Also, MD, Jer is very good at completely ignoring evidence and jumping directly into his own incorrect conclusions. Simply look at the quotes I provided, and you'll see that Page is talking about and emphasizing cultural diversity. And even if you took at face value Jer's example, there's one thing that you'll notice about the assembled crytologists, logicians, mathematicians, crossword puzzle junkies, electrical and mechanical engineers -- each and every one of those people were selected based upon ability -- NOT diversity. Now go back to my earlier post and see what Page has to say about ability -- Page clearly believes diversity trumps ability any day of the week. In Page's world, he would substitute one of the highly intelligent mathematicians for someone with less talent, but from Wales. How do I know? Because he actually used that as his own example of affirmative action in getting into college.
So, don't let Jer do what he does best -- divert the conversation down a rathole. That seems to be the only thing he's good at, when defending his liberal positions.
__________
“Didn't win the Medal of Honor? Didn't even serve? Then lie about it. We'll support you." — 9th Circuit Court
ThisnThat...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 3:16pm.
Why don't you carefully read what Page wrote and what I posted and then use your brain. Otherwise, it's pointless trying to have a productive discussion with you.
Jer
Neither TnT's conclusions, nor mine, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 12:40am.
regarding Page's work, agree with yours.
For you to tell someone to "carefully read" and "then use your brain", "Otherwise, it's pointless trying to have a productive discussion with you.", would pretty much eliminate, intellectual prejudice on your part in favor of yourself or against the other individual being evident; the possibility of having a productive discussion with you, would it not?
MD
In that case, Matthew...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 1:16am.
Please describe on what points your conclusions differ from mine regarding Page's work.
Re TnT: I made an honest effort to provide what I assumed--maybe correctly, maybe not--to be the source of Shipman's comments as well as a balanced analysis of Page's theories and findings and to what degree they may or may not have supported Shipman's assertions.
In return, TnT flings insults about my ignoring evidence and diverting threads down a rat hole. I just don't have much use for childish nonsense.
Jer
Page's theories are just that, Jer,---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 5:18am.
theories.
I believe his findings to be jaundiced because of who he is, what he is, and where he comes from.
Even in non-fiction writing, an author must obviously draw some material from his own life experiences. In my opinion Page's personal experiences have led him to skew too far left with his written opinion or thoughts whenever there was a conclusion to be reached that could have gone either way if the data presented was not forthrightly compelling on it's own face.
If that were the case, I believe he could have steered toward a more neutral course or stance but consciously chose not to do so. That said, as the author he wrote what he felt was proper, and as the peruser, I am free to take from his work the interpretation that works best for me.
That you get upset with TnT because you find a couple of his statements insulting is not at all unusual; that happens all the time on these threads.
Ever occur to you that in the normal order of give and take it is entirely possible that TnT sees his words as being factual and some of your statements as say, generally insulting to conservatives?
Stranger things have happened.
MD
Well, Jer
Submitted by ThisnThat on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 7:36am.
....methinks you doth protest too much. Or perhaps you're just over sensitive. Or your comments about my "flinging insults" are designed to gain false sympathy on your part. But you do a lot of "flinging" yourself. Look earlier at your comment to MD:
I only have a minute, but since you are the only one who is on the right track here, I'll respond to you now.
So. I'm on the wrong track, and that's ok? But when I point out you're the one that's wrong, all of a sudden Jer's feelings are hurt? Seems a tad inconsistent to me.
But enough of that. I won't divert this thread any further.
__________
“Didn't win the Medal of Honor? Didn't even serve? Then lie about it. We'll support you." — 9th Circuit Court
That's a fair point, TnT...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 4:11pm.
Although on the insult scale, I think noting someone is on the "wrong track" hardly ranks with:
"....So, don't let Jer do what he does best -- divert the conversation down a rathole. That seems to be the only thing he's good at, when defending his liberal positions."
But, you're right about my oversensitivity to the criticism.
Now on to a few substantive matters you will hopefully consider:
1. My defending a liberal position in this case was mild at best. In fact, it is a stretch to even characterize it as a "defense". I have never been a strong advocate for affirmative action and from its inception believed it should be a transitional program.
2. Nor can one seriously contend that my previous comments were designed to buttress the position of Shipman. Indeed, I attempted to show that if she were principally relying upon Page's studies, her reliance was largely misplaced--at least based on my own analysis of the excerpts from those studies which were available online.
3. Again, Page made distinctions--which my highlighting of seems to have been brushed aside--between cognitive diversity [the Bletchley Park code breaking example] and cultural diversity [based on gender, race, etc.] and concluded the former produced far more sustainable and predictive benefits than did the latter--although in certain, more limited, environments operating under defined preconditions cultural diversity could likewise be a positive phenomenon.
As such, I am a bit perplexed how my posts, or Page's conclusions for that matter (at least the summaries of those I read), can be portrayed and lambasted as rousing endorsements for obligatory cultural diversity in every conceivable milieu based on a "diversity trumps ability" premise. That's simply not what he reported nor what I suggested.
Jer
Leave it to the Laymen, Jer
Submitted by CobraMan on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 1:25pm.
"Groups made up of intelligent people who are inwardly diverse—that is, who have different perspectives, mindsets and ways of solving problems—can make more accurate predictions and solve problems more effectively than groups of 'experts.'"
Jer, the man is basically saying: Leave it to the laymen! In other words, don't trust the experts. Which is rather ironic, as he is an "expert" himself. If I follow his advice, I'd look elsewhere for advice while rejecting his "expert" opinion on how best to make decisions.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
The Usual Stuff
Submitted by Tenebrous on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 9:29pm.
Diversity ensures one thing in the business world - paralysis. I'm beginning to think that was by design. The more opinions you have, the harder it is to come to an agreement without people becoming disappointed or offended; cast the net too wide and you can't come to an agreement; thus, paralysis. Now, who would benefit from paralyzed, inefficient American business? The diversity hounds, of course, because they will get paid to do nothing but push more of the same medicine that is killing the patient. The business owners aren't thrilled, and neither are the employees, except those who are lazy, thin-skinned and seek to make everyone else pay because they are a certain skin color or gender, or whatever -- they'll benefit too, because they will be paid far in excess of their true capability.
And diversity arrived at through voluntary decisions is one thing; diversity enforced at threat of a lawsuit, law, or removing the ability to bid is another. But the left cannot tell the two apart; if anything, the latter is to be favored, because it puts more and more of the private sector under the thumb of government, transferring power and wealth to the government at the expense of business owners and non-minority employees.
If you've figured out that "diversity" is just a legally polite way to discriminate against white males, to dismantle the freedom of association, and a way to push government involvement and racial favortism divorced from performance, you're getting close to how evil it truly is.
Visions and Principles blog
Maybe we can look forward to some kind of
Submitted by virginia republican on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 5:20pm.
affirmative action program for elective offices where there will be numerical quotas by race/religion/sex/ethnicity so even if some congressional district in Hawaii, for example, has only native Hawaiians available to run, the feds will make them ship in some black dudes from Harlem and aleut females from Alaska to meet the quota. Make that Jewish, female, handicapped Aleuts and black, Muslim, Spanish-speaking blacks from Harlem. A genuine Rainbow Coalition. Native Hawaiians won't be allowed to enter the race.
"You'd be hard-pressed to
Submitted by bkeyser on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 5:31pm.
"You'd be hard-pressed to find a sex scandal involving a female politician these days, which begs the question, what if there were more women in politics and in positions of power?"
I don't know, can you draw any sort of parallels between women in political power and, say, public school teachers?
I don't know
Submitted by HockeyKid on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 10:18pm.
about sex scandals, but to my thinking cases of corruption and influence peddling are much worse. In which case, shall we discuss Congresswoman Monica Conyers, convicted and jailed for taking bribes?
Or how about Maxine Waters' continuing ethics issues related to bailout favors for the bank where her husband owns stock? Her chief of staff (her grandson) says there's nothing there, and no nepotism in the office either.
A quick search turns up the case from just this January that saw "Congresswoman Mary Bono Mack in a sexy pose with a female campaign donor playfully licking her breast". Sounds like a sex scandal to me--in fact, almost as bad as Weiner (apparently Mack didn't send the photo to unknown targets of her--ahem--affections).
How about Congresswoman Eddie Bernice Johnson, who awarded scholarship money to members of her family instead of students in her district?
Or Corrinne Brown's numerous fiscal offenses?
Or Mary Rose Oakar, charged with seven financially-related felonies?
All members of Congress, and all women. Yes, mammary glands certainly seem to make a person MUCH more reliable, honest and above-board.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
Aw, but not Sarah Palin?
Submitted by MinneMike on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 5:30pm.
I believe conservative women would be excluded, no?
Not said, but behind the thought bubbles.
Hear Ye, Hear Ye
Submitted by stratman on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 5:32pm.
The Sunday meeting of the She-Woman Men Hating Club now comes to order. (H/t Lil' Rascals)
Geez Louise, Sarkozy's ex-wife? No axe to grind there. And am I mistaken or are all the panelists WHITE females? Where's the diversity?
These people are vampires -- no reflection. (H/t KCMulville)
Women as bertter decision
Submitted by jdhawk on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 5:32pm.
Women as bertter decision makers? Let's see, three of the last five Secretaries of State were women (actually, I count Warren Christopher as one of the women, so make that four out of the last five). Have we had better decision making regarding our foreign affairs policy? Has the Israeli/Murdering Thug PLO/Hamas issue been solved under their tenures? Has there been less murdering and thuggery from the some 100 out of 197 member nations of the so-called United Nations? Has there been even a dent in changing the minds of islamic terrorists that want all so-called "disbelievers" dead particularly those of this country?
I think not.
Regarding the claim that women are doing a better job running hedge funds - name them. Who are they? What is their track records? Because since the early 50's there has been some spectacular hedge fund managers. I cite "More Money than God" a book by Sebastin Mallaby that chronicles hedge funds since their earliest days to present without mentioning one female. Hmmmmm.
The "studies" that were cited regarding diversity as a hallmark in good decision making are bunk. They have come out of university diversity studies "majors" (whatever that is - got to be as worthless as black studies "majors"). Where they reguarlary work toward the question already having found the answer.
Colin Powell was a nice guy, but verging on metrosexual, so
Submitted by daveinboca on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 3:35am.
Maybe it's the entire last five SecStates are females. I always recall Waddlin' Madeleine Albright lurches with a giant carry-all purse towards Kim Jung-Il in Pyongyang, with a couple of billion to pay his cognac bills and call girls while over a million of his people starved. The money was to stop making nukes, but of course, who takes orders from a female?
Condy Rice insisted that Hamas be included in the 2006 elections. How'd that work out again?
So WHERE was their Wise
Submitted by Anniee451 on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 5:32pm.
So WHERE was their Wise Latina (TM) to validate what they said, hmm?
Sorry for the double post
Submitted by Mary Louise Turner on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 5:41pm.
Sorry for the double post...
*Sigh* Pure 1960's feminist fantasy
Submitted by Mary Louise Turner on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 5:40pm.
As is to be expected from the make believe media these days, these two women are expressing 1960's feminist wishful thinking. The world would still not be perfect if only women were in charge, you morons! *Sigh* The MBM is permanently stuck in the 1960's time warp because that era was the height of their power and arrogance.
???
Submitted by Funbowhunter on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 6:02pm.
Isn't this a sexist, racist statement, Claire?
Shipman and Company
Submitted by Thunder Lizard on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 6:16pm.
Would lambaste truly strong female leaders like Golda Meir and Margaret Thatcher - their media predecessors did just that, so why wouldn't they? Today they would absolutely exclude women like Sarah Palin, Ann Coulter, Michelle Bachmann, Laura Ingraham, Pam Gellar, Lila Rose, Star Parker, Michelle Malkin, Dana Loesch, Phyllis Schlafly and Mary Katherine Hamm from their "wish list" of female decision makers.
The hue and cry of needing more "women" in office is just a smoke screen. What they really are wanting is more "liberal progressive women."
@ stratman "These people are vampires -- no reflection. " Excellent point.
stratman has it right about the vampires
Submitted by daveinboca on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 3:40am.
Although ex-Mme Sarkozy might actually enjoy the garlic! Shipman & Amanpour are both airhead ditzes without a perspective worthy of respect.
Fellow forum member
Submitted by stratman on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 10:43pm.
Fellow forum member KCMulville would use the vampire metaphor from time to time. All credit due him.
We keep trying to shed sunlight on their ideological misadventures and the Left keeps running deeper into the shadows. It is painfully obvious how many of the committed Leftist shriek and run from the Cross, let alone a splash of Holy water. I can only surmise the wooden stakes from their shish kabobs causes panic as well and may be the impetus to protest the cutting down of forests.
The list of Thunder Lizard's contains many wonderful women. Common sense combined with uncommon intellect. Nice.
Women would be better running things?
Submitted by Bob Parks on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 6:17pm.
Tell that to the Sheila Jackson Lee's staffers.
But Palin is Dumb?
Submitted by PrimalElements on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 6:29pm.
VS all black men or all hispanics or all Chinese........what an absolute idiot and her husband.
Business As Usual
Submitted by rammingspeed on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 6:37pm.
This scummy b*tch is gonna get away with the vile crap. She'll be applauded for it. Those applauders will revel in the disgust of those who post on NB and other sites.
How about the sexist-pig at the beginnig of the segment
Submitted by krendler on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 6:45pm.
...stating woman are "more honest", "more sincere", "harder working"...nobody flinches. Imagine George Will or someone saying "let's face it, men are more honest, harder working, more sincere than women."
Staggering, the level of hypocrisy exhibited by these liberal, pc dimwits.
I don't know of any group of
Submitted by eaglewingz08 on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 7:14pm.
I don't know of any group of "all white men" who made better decisions than our Founding Fathers.
Chrissy and Shipman are idiots.
A bunch of them landed on the moon, too
Submitted by upcountrywater on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 2:03pm.
If present trends continue, in 50 years no one will believe man ever flew in heaver than air... "aircraft"...
You Didn't Build That.
Maybe we can import a mysterious Muslim commie from Kenya...
Submitted by Dave. on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 7:33pm.
...that hates this country and everybody in it with a tatooed-in purple passion, but have him make all of our decisions for us anyway.
Oh, wait...
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
I would rather
Submitted by Boudin on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 7:48pm.
Deport one
Boudin,
Submitted by Dave. on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 8:59pm.
I am sooooooo there.
I'll even drive to DC on my own dime and help him pack - as long as he promises not to come back.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Sorry...nothing here but a
Submitted by fatboy on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 8:49pm.
Sorry...nothing here but a bunch of liberal c*nts.
cents?
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 8:52pm.
It's OK, you can say "cents" here.
Context
Submitted by stratman on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 9:30pm.
Shouldn't that be noncents?
→ Absolutely strat
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 9:43pm.
He came in here from HuffPo to drop his shorts and say that's a conservative's butt shining.
Thanks for the clarification--
Submitted by HockeyKid on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 10:29pm.
I thought the shorts were dropped and their owner commented on what they contained.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
Dumb and dumber
Submitted by Herbster on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 9:11pm.
Amanpour and Shipman won't be happy until girl babies are born with prostate glands.......just to be "Fair."
Less testosterone? Less "White men in the room?" More women - kinder and gentler? Let's see......shall we start with Eve? I believe it was a woman who said, Bring me the head of John the Baptist?" Cleopatra? Helen of Troy? Hillary? Pelosi? Debbie (I flunked my Wasserman test) Schultz? These two twts are stuck in the mire of gender politics....the last refuge of these two just waiting to grow their moustaches. I think one way to have stopped Weinergate from happening would have been to show Weinerman a picture of Amanpour everytime he got the urge........down, boy!
These two "Ladies" are drowning in their own arrogance.
So what should the group.....
Submitted by GregE on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 10:10pm.
.......composition be, for the most intelligent decision making? Maybe the federal government can dictate that.
What are these idiots talking
Submitted by mostlymoderate on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 10:20pm.
What are these idiots talking about? White men founded this country. White men ruled the battlefields that made America what it is today. Science, philosophy, law, medicine, literature: predominantly white men. The only reason these women have a job at all is because a white man somewhere built the network they work for.
Sssshhh
Increase the numbers increase the cheats.
Submitted by Less1leg on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 10:22pm.
How many scandal stories of female teachers having sex with underage male students? Increase the number of females in leadership positions within governments and yes, they will taste the fruits of those around them. Women cheat, men cheat.
Pushing more women into senior management positions based on their sexuality as according to affirmative action figures will equally provide sexual opportunities for those females to branch out into extramartial affairs and cheating on partners.
We all know that the staff in large shopping malls where interaction escalates being the different sexes with store workers leads in many cases sexual interaction after store hours. Why would senior management not have the same end game results. Oh i know, they are smarter and less indulgent than common office staff workers from sneeking around for sexual gratification. I guess female executives don't get a itch that requires scratching.
Please, liberal MSM your spin on female executives not wanting a little lovin' after hours. Give it a rest. If given the opportunity a cheat will cheat, and it isn't all just men who do it.
"Women are different, only the same as men, but different"
Submitted by Chris Norman on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 11:02pm.
When it serves their purposes for fitting into jobs traditionally filled by men, feminists will tell us that there is "no difference" between men and women. When talking about political decisions, all of a sudden, women are somehow "wiser", "calmer", and think "differently" than men. So, which is it? They want it both ways - surprise, surprise....
Mrs. Jay
Submitted by Caringwhiteguy on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 11:44pm.
I bet she doesn't like being referred to as Mrs. Jay Carney.
Ah, the followers of Maureen
Submitted by dscott on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 1:06am.
Ah, the followers of Maureen Dowd holding their feminist affirmation session moralizing in the self righteousness rationalizing their bigotry against those whom are different from them. It must be fantastic to have convenient confirmation biases on hand like the weak minded Weiner, Ensign and others to confirm their condescending bigoted man hating view of the world.
Here's a thought for you bigots, instead of associating with the scum of the earth to draw anecdotal evidence of your hate inspired view point, try associating with normal decent people. Politicians as a group have more than their fair share of miscreants. Lawyers as a group have a reputation for lying. Single people, i.e. not married, have no expectation of monogamy.
And lest you think females are angels, are better than average or never do bad things, ask Theodore Bundy about his treatment as a child at the hands of his female care takers. Ask the children of Susan Harris how much more their mother loved them than the guy she was chasing. Ask Caylee Anthony how much she was wanted by her mother. You see, anecdotally we can play this ugly game too.
Sin is an equal opportunity offender. A very astute person of history said this: "You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye." And feminists wonder why they are no longer relevant and rejected by a growing number of women?
White males and bad decisions....
Submitted by big.league.slider on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 2:19am.
I agree with Christine. The 6 white males on the SCOTUS that concurred with Roe V. Wade made a bad decision.
I watched for three minutes and began to retch
Submitted by daveinboca on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 3:32am.
Shipman must be making life a castrated hell for hubby Larry O'Donnell, or is it some other castrato on the left she must be making life a living hell for? I was interviewed by Christiane Amanpour in 1991 in Saudi during the First Gulf War and without makeup or lighting, she is really around a "five" tops---plus she ain't an inch over five feet, zero.
Then entire dialogue was so vapid and banal as to make my early morning useless, so I went back to the sack for a couple of hours.
yep
Submitted by HockeyKid on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 7:32am.
The castrato in question is White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, formerly director of communications for Lunchbucket Joe and Washington Bureau Chief for Time Magazine.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
And a group of kenyan
Submitted by LAM SON 719 on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 6:03am.
And a group of kenyan socialists can do better?
History
Submitted by ThisnThat on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 8:43am.
Here's what I don't understand. These groups have had thousands of years to advance society.
In the case of Africans and Indians, none of them was even capable of building a house, let alone writing, arithmetic, roads, or government.
All major advances in the world have been because of white men. None of these other "diversity" groups were interfered with for centuries, and so had an equal opportunity during that time to make progress -- but didn't. So now -- we have these revisionist people claiming that inclusion of identify politics is much superior to white males -- even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Welcome to the world of lying, PC bias by liberal scoundrels.
__________
“Didn't win the Medal of Honor? Didn't even serve? Then lie about it. We'll support you." — 9th Circuit Court
Oh really? Who discovered jenkem?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 4:48pm.
BTW, according to Wikipedia, jenkem is a POPULAR STREET DRUG in both Zambia and the United States of America.
"In the case of Africans and
Submitted by dscott on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 5:09pm.
"In the case of Africans and Indians, none of them was even capable of building a house"
While I generally agree with most of what you posted there, don't you think that one statement is a wee bit over the top?
On the Africa nomad tribe people
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 6:30pm.
Interesting subject. Yes the Indians had homes such as tee-pees and the Pueblo ruins... nice & efficient for their use so I would not fault them for that.
I watched a show, I think it was Anthony Bourdain, who visited this white guy who married into some nomadic African tribe. Very interesting. Cooked ostrich eggs directly in the fire ash. Poured the egg in the ash right out of the shell. All types of ash & rocks in the egg.
So these people have been "here" the same amount of time we have been, yet somehow they have not placed much importance on "improving" how to do things. Guess this may be due to the nomaidic nature. You would think they would at least consider having some basic tools. Just sort of odd to think about. It must be a deliberate choice to do things the hard way.
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
I guess you are correct in
Submitted by dscott on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 10:38pm.
I guess you are correct in that it's odd that certain cultures place little emphasis on attempting a different solution to an existing problem. But then we are attempting to impose a standard of living based on our own experience thus a point of view. Are we confusing the state of civilization with the existance of indoor plumbing?
What's the real standard here? The standard of living or the quality of life? With little or no government to look over your shoulder or tell you what to do wouldn't a nomad's life style be considered the attainment of ultimate freedom? Living life at it's most basic level is choice of life style. Of course being an American, I want my cake and eat it too, I want indoor plumbing and I want zero input from the government on my activities.
Agree dscott
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 11:20am.
"we are attempting to impose a standard of living based on our own experience thus a point of view. Are we confusing the state of civilization with the existance of indoor plumbing?"
Yes I agree with you. The media looks down on "backwards" people like they can't be happy w/o an American living standard. They well may be happy as clams w/their current "standard of living." They are working to make a living, and that is honorable. They have their family & family values.
Living permanently on welfare, watching Jerry Springer, from an air conditioned section 8 housing is not honorable if you are able to work. Somehow that is "the plan" the media & government has for us all! It is utopia! Non of that nasty working for your food!
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
And now, back to the topic
Submitted by ThisnThat on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 7:27pm.
...which is, that (a) The claim that White Men aren't very valuable, and never have been, and (b) good things and progress come only by including diverse groups because of their "rich way of thinking".
I'll point out again -- these so-called "diversity groups" have, for eons, made no progress at all. But all of a sudden their inclusion is necessary for society to make further progress? I don't buy it. The evidence is entirely missing. Only talented individuals will move society down the road, not diversity groups.
__________
“Didn't win the Medal of Honor? Didn't even serve? Then lie about it. We'll support you." — 9th Circuit Court
"Only talented individuals
Submitted by dscott on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 10:25pm.
"Only talented individuals will move society down the road, not diversity groups."
Agreed, 100%.
a) Any such claim directed at Whites much less Blacks or any other group IMO is bigoted. Race has little to do with human potential much less great ideas that benefit civilization. E.g. Charles Drew - preserving plasma for blood transfusions. There are individuals within every racial group that have benefited civilization.
b) Only in groups comprised of individuals with multi-discipline skill sets or education or abilities or experiences, NOT race or nationality or gender. Merely selecting an individual from each racial grouping without a skill-set does not give richness to the thought process. Pack a group with individuals with zero skills or education will result in an inferior output no matter how "diverse" they are racially.
Like all liberals...
Submitted by liberalsarefunny on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 12:05pm.
Like all liberals, particularly guilty white liberals (redundant?), this Shipman person has a lot of projection going on here....
Stupid white women on tv
Submitted by peteski on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 2:24pm.
Gee, I thought stupid white women on tv only show up on every reality show on planet earth, now I stand corrected and you wonder why interest and viewership on network tv news has gone downhill over the last 20 years....period!
I agree!
Submitted by ConservaSerb on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 4:44pm.
Why don't we give the women of the SPEW downtown Detroit, put a wall around it, and make it an independent country, and let THEM run it!
A wise & frugal government, which shall leave men free 2 regulate their own pursuits of industry & improvement, & shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. T. Jefferson
She's an idiot.
Submitted by jollyroger on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 2:29am.
The reality is that white men are the only race/gender in history who have not needed other groups to "show 'em how it's done", so to speak.
There is enormous jealousy within the female and black, and Islamic mindset over the success of white men thoughout history. This term leftists use; "white male privilege" is absolutely foolish, because no one gave white men a leg up.
As Jack Nicholson said at the start of 'the Departed'; "What the black chappy doesn't understand, is that if you want something, you have to go out and take it!"
From great architecture to engineering to writing to painting to exploration to the creation of the one truly free ideology, democracy; white men have lead these fields for thousands of years, and without the help of anyone else, including females.
White men in space and white men on the Moon.
Far as i know females didn't have much to do with that, did they?
No wonder white women vote democrat along with their black and mexican "brothers and sisters".
She's an idiot.
Submitted by jollyroger on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 2:32am.
The reality is that white men are the only race/gender in history who have not needed other groups to "show 'em how it's done", so to speak.
There is enormous jealousy within the female and black, and Islamic mindset over the success of white men thoughout history. This term leftists use; "white male privilege" is absolutely foolish, because no one gave white men a leg up.
As Jack Nicholson said at the start of 'the Departed'; "What the black chappy doesn't understand, is that if you want something, you have to go out and take it!"
From architecture to engineering to writing to painting to exploration to the creation of the one truly free ideology, democracy; white men have lead the field for thousands of years without the help of anyone else, including females.
White men in space and white men on the Moon.
Far as i know females didn't have much to do with that, did they?
No wonder white women vote democrat along with their black and mexican "brothers and sisters".
She's an idiot.
Submitted by jollyroger on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 2:34am.
The reality is that white men are the only race/gender in history who have not needed other groups to "show 'em how it's done", so to speak.
There is enormous jealousy within the female and black, and Islamic mindset over the success of white men thoughout history. This term leftists use; "white male privilege" is absolutely foolish, because no one gave white men a leg up.
As Jack Nicholson said at the start of 'the Departed'; "What the black chappy doesn't understand, is that if you want something, you have to go out and take it!"
From architecture to engineering to writing to painting to exploration to the creation of the one truly free ideology, democracy; white men have lead the field, without the help of anyone else, including females.
White men in space and white men on the Moon.
Far as i know females didn't have much to do with that, did they?
No wonder white women vote democrat along with their black and mexican "brothers and sisters".
Liberal Idiocy
Submitted by RealVet on Tue, 06/14/2011 - 4:33pm.
Perhaps she could use some examples of other countries where groups of non-white men have done well creating governments, writing constitutions, developing natural resources, and instituting freedom.
Let's start in Africa, and work our way towards Haiti, the Carribean, and South America.