Time's Joe Klein: Obama Has Better Relationship With Military Than Bush Did
Time magazine's Joe Klein this weekend claimed President Obama has a better relationship with the military than George W. Bush did when he was Commander-in-Chief.
Such hypocritically was said on "The Chris Matthews Show" just moments before Klein noted that the military were "very much opposed" to attacking Libya (video follows with partial transcript and commentary):
JOE KLEIN, TIME MAGAZINE: The other thing is there’s still tension between [President Obama] and Petraeus about what exactly, how exactly to close out Afghanistan. I'd say the relationship is pretty good, very, better than it was with Bush because the military hated the fact that he wasn't really doing the job in Iraq.
Got that? The military’s relationship is better with Obama because they supposedly hated that Bush wasn’t really doing the job in Iraq.
However, watch what happened when Matthews brought up Libya:
CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST: What’s the reaction of the military in these campaigns?
ELISABETH BUMILLER, NEW YORK TIMES: The military was not behind the Libya campaign.
KLEIN: Very much opposed to it.
BUMILLER: Yeah, Gates was opposed to it. They went in kicking and screaming. Did what they had to do.
MATTHEWS: That was a Hillary push, right?
BUMILLER: Well, they, Hillary and a few others. They did what they had to do in the first few days, which was take out the air defenses, and then they said, “Okay, NATO’s problem now. We have two wars going on. We don’t need a third.”
So, in Klein's sycophantic Obama-loving view, the military have a better relationship with the current president than the former one despite them being "very much opposed" to him getting them involved in a third war.
That's liberal logic for you.
*****Update: Almost on cue, Gallup released a poll Monday showing military personnel and veterans give Obama lower marks than the rest of the population.
Nice call, Joe!
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The Best Retort to Klein is Right There on Youtube
Submitted by libBuster on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 11:51am.
The following Youtube video is the perfect answer to Klein:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIHz5tevLAw
It is stunning.
Well played
Submitted by Blonde on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 12:36pm.
The other compare and contrast is George Bush's last speech at West Point, to Obama's speech there (where the cadets were dozing off).
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Good one!
Submitted by jdhawk on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 12:38pm.
Good one!
It sure is.
Submitted by Bob K on Mon, 05/30/2011 - 8:50am.
Whenever I see footage of Obama with a bunch of military people behind him I always notice that many do not seem overly enthusiastic. And on more than one occasion I have seen some who looked as if they were forced to bite into a big wet turd at the time. Side note. Imagine how happy liberals will be in 2012 when they are able to give up their phony "we love and respect people in the military" act. Keeping it up must be really tough for most of them. I predict the first major anti- war/military rally will be scheduled for one day after a Republican takes over his job.
I notice that George W. Bush
Submitted by motherbelt on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 2:40pm.
I notice that George W. Bush chose to arrive without "Hail to the Chief" and still got an outstanding welcome.
Barry made sure he got the formal intro, and even that couldn't gin up the excitement.
Maybe he should have had one of the those WWE (?) babes that announces the rounds, walking back and forth carrying a sign that said "The President!!!"
"Mostly tepid response" indeed!
LibBuster Has A Great Link
Submitted by Avitar on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 2:50pm.
Wonder what kind of drugs the Time board must be taking to keep Joe Klien on the payroll. I have no idea how Joe Klien's mind gets going in such screwball directions.
I'm wondering what color the
Submitted by MikeB on Mon, 05/30/2011 - 1:37am.
I'm wondering what color the sky is in Joe Klein's universe. Even dead drunk and stoned out of his mind he knows better than that statement.
Joe, that is some weapons grade stooopid you got going on there.
Klein's familiarity with the US military is through . . .
Submitted by Galvanic on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 12:05pm.
General Electric, Colonel Sanders, Captain Kanagroo, and Sargent Shriver.
Klein offers more wishful analysis for his Obama-god.
Too funny!
Submitted by jdhawk on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 12:39pm.
Too funny!
Don't forget Major
Submitted by killa37 on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 12:47pm.
Don't forget Major Confusion...................which would be Boy O'Barry's foreign AND domestic policies.
Maybe I should add Private Schools . . .
Submitted by Galvanic on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 1:13pm.
. . . where the MSM and Democratic champions of our public schools prefer to send their own children.
And of course, Captain
Submitted by Blonde on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 1:22pm.
And of course, Captain Obvious.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Or maybe Corporel Punishment-
Submitted by killa37 on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 1:29pm.
Or maybe Corporel Punishment- which is what a lot of us feel like we've been going through since O'Blunder took over.
Or Private Parts.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 1:40pm.
There is something about Bambi that reminds me of private parts; very nasty private parts.
Awwwwwwwwwwwwww c'mon,
Submitted by killa37 on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 1:58pm.
Awwwwwwwwwwwwww c'mon, bubba.........it's still EARLY over here!!!! I'm sure that O'Barry has known some Buck Privates!!!!
Killa?
Submitted by Newsbubba on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 5:49pm.
Did you mean Butt Privates?
Still early, big guy?
Young Buck Butt
Submitted by killa37 on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 8:11pm.
Young Buck Butt Privates.....................
Don't forget.....
Submitted by motherbelt on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 2:49pm.
Major Owens!!
is that the congressman who
Submitted by killa37 on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 3:12pm.
is that the congressman who said that there was a 'blood trail' along the slave-ship route between Africa and the 'new world', because of MILLIONS of slaves who were thrown overboard and were eaten by sharks, or something like that???
Didn't Boy O'Blunder's Moooooooooooooooooooslem ancestors SELL the slaves to the 'white men'??? Hell, I want 'reparations' for this scam!!!
And the other little-known secret is that the Moooooooooooooooooooooslems had more slaves than anybody.........and they still do!!!
Obama sucks.
Submitted by johnsonl on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 12:13pm.
It's pretty clear that the Marine Corps showed the Commander in Chief the proper respect. I would imagine that those in attendance were under orders to be there and behave in a respectful, military manner. Given the choice between listening to Barry or taking a well deserved nap, I'd bet they'd choose a nap. At the end of his remarks, Obamao accepted the accolades from the officers.
They showed President Bush the respect and love that only one veteran can show to another veteran. Those who have chosen not to serve will probably never understand that respect and comraderie. At the end of Bush's remarks, he went straight to the Marines and took pictures with them. Not the officers, the enlisted.
It might have helped Barry to learn the proper pronunciation of the word "corps". His utter ignorance and outright disdain of the military culture speaks volumes about his narcissistic character.
When my son in law was at
Submitted by ricklail on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 1:34pm.
When my son in law was at Baghram AF Base a few years back it was his job to line up the Marines that would sit behind the Ice Cream Emperor. He had a hard time finding may volunteers. The blacks were just as reluctant as the others. Nobody wanted to be there. It took some bribing but he finally got enough. When the speech was made it was mostly Air Force and a few Marines.
Typical
Submitted by iveseenitall on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 12:38pm.
"Liberals" always lie about some abstract idea,such as relationships, which can never be proved ( although facts rarely matter either). The quality of any relationship is in the eye of the beholder. In this case, the beholder is this nincompoop Klein. And he's a "liberal", therefore he is a liar. [[NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal" (progressive)]
By the way---I believe that Barry is incapable of any sincere relationship with anyone. He's a pathological liar, a narcissist, a sociopath and, dare I say it , a pyschopath. The next election will be a referendum on him; it will evince the extent to which America has awakened to the danger this manchild and his cohorts pose to our nation. If he's re-elected, America as we've known it is finished.
Delusional
Submitted by txradioguy on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 12:17pm.
Joe Klein is a bald faced liar.
I've served under both men.
His claim couldn't be farther from the truth.
thank you for your service
Submitted by agingcynic on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 12:26pm.
Joe Klein wrote "Primary Colors", lied about it and then copped to throwing his fellow libs under the bus. He is beneath contempt. Fortunately, we have guys like you who can give us the unvarnished truth.
FALSE, MR. KLEIN
Submitted by JPTSO3 on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 12:35pm.
Complete and utter whole clothe fabrication. Other than that...
My oh my.......how much more
Submitted by liberalsarefunny on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 12:37pm.
My oh my.......how much more evidence do we need that liberals live in a fantasy world?
The military likes President Bush over the Socialist
Submitted by rpeeler42 on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 12:39pm.
Joe Klein is a totally stupid dude. If he is on Matthews show it is because he is dumber than dirt.I personally believe O'bama intensely dislikes the U.S. Military, now he may in fact like the Syrian military as a lot ot Muslims do.
POPPYCOCK!
Submitted by MCPO Airdale on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 12:47pm.
This isn't wishful thinking, this is a bald-face lie. Klein has ZERO knowledge and ZERO credibility when it comes to the American military.
What's even worse than
Submitted by jdhawk on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 12:48pm.
What's even worse than Klein's crap is that we are not actually at war with Libya, "NATO" is fighting this war, and that we aren't bearing the brunt of the manpower, material, and cost.
For example, to put a continous 4 ship air cap over Libya requires 18 tanker ships under normal fuel use conditions. Should that 4 ship air cap engage and use after burners, it would require 24 -32 tanker ships to keep just those 4 ships aloft. We are the only nation on the planet that has planned for and has the resource to support this kind of an air war. Certainly not Britain, Germany or France have anywhere near the resources, let alone the expertise, to pull this off.
Yet, because we are not out front on this "engagement" we are letting this drag on and on while some fourth rate murdering thug gets away with thumbing his nose at us. It is disgusting and shameful that our country hasn't put this mongrel down and in short order if in fact that is our airm. What we get from this administration is as many versions of what we are doing there as we got about the "facts" concerning the take down of Bin Laden.
I can only speak from what I
Submitted by killa37 on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 12:51pm.
I can only speak from what I know.................but my younger son has been a Coast Guard officer under both Presidents, and he (and his buddies, as far as I can tell) think Boy O'Barry is a complete dud - maybe even moreso that that draft-dodging, non-inhaling Slick Willie. My older son, who was a SEAL and still has contact with SEAL buddies - seems to have the same opinion.
And I know that my Mom, who was a 30 year military wife, can't stand O'Blunder in any shape, manner, or form......................and I know that my Dad - the Col. - is rolling over in his grave at the direction this country is going under the O'Barry REGIME.
Living here near Cherry Point
Submitted by ricklail on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 1:37pm.
Living here near Cherry Point and Camp Lejeune I run into a lot of Marines and sailors. Out of the many I talk with their are very, very few that like Obama. In our church we have 5 Marines and their families and 3 Navy chaplains and their families. None like him.
In Klein's defense.
Submitted by Boil It Down on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 12:55pm.
In Klein's very small elitist world it may be true that most of the military respect Obama. We don't know if that is true because the vast majority of the nation and the military are not privy to that world. None of my military friends have an ounce of respect for the man, but hold the highest respect for the office.
This is just more delusional rambling from Klein that can be added to his shameful archive. -bidn-
Hey, she's tough!
Submitted by paragrouper on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 12:59pm.
"Well, they, Hillary and a few others. They did what they had to do in the first few days, which was take out the air defenses,"
I guess she has secret superpowers--just like BO.
Paragrouper
Submitted by Blonde on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 2:02pm.
I am able to get all of that but the "d'arachide".
You love to eat the butter of (something or other) on the stairs in your undies".
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Peanut butter B.
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Mon, 05/30/2011 - 12:27am.
"I like to eat peanut butter on the stairs in my underwear".
I can't help with the
Submitted by MikeB on Mon, 05/30/2011 - 1:45am.
I can't help with the translation, Blonde. The only French I know is "coupe la fromage".
Peanut Butter
Submitted by paragrouper on Mon, 05/30/2011 - 9:51am.
Something once said by a friend when he met a french officer in Bosnia.
Hay, Kline....
Submitted by CobraMan on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 12:59pm.
Hay, Kline, stick to the liberal talking points. Iraq was supposed to be Cheney's War, remember?
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
What a moron
Submitted by ArchConservative on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 1:04pm.
As a 20+ year member of the US Army, I can write with authority that the vast majority of those in uniform are Republicans and conservatives. They loathe the direction the military goes every time a Democrat assumes power in the White House.
Under Carter, morale went through the basement.
Under Reagan, morale soared high.
Under Clinton, morale took a big hit again, especially with the forcing out of career and other military personnel.
Under both Bushes, morale was high again.
Under Obama it hits the toilet.
Once again, the MSM lies its ass off.
You support the troops by supporting the mission! If you don't support the mission, have the guts to say you don't support the troops.
Obama: Not my President. Ever.
Joe Klein is on crack.
Submitted by rbosque on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 1:06pm.
Joe Klein is on crack.
Couldn't resist
Submitted by Tomorama on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 2:38pm.
Larry Sinclair is on "crack" as well..................................
Ba da boomp.............
Rimshot if you will...........................................
I'll stop, the joke is at it's "end"....................
Could Joe Klien Damage His Brain With LSD Perhaps?
Submitted by Avitar on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 3:04pm.
What is the fashionable New York drug around Time magazine.these days?
Wo wo wo, Avitar!!!! I'll
Submitted by killa37 on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 3:15pm.
Wo wo wo, Avitar!!!! I'll admit to ingesting a LOT of 'mind-altering' substances back in the days of my 'wasted youth', when I was living on the North Shore, surfing all the time, playing my guitar, eating healthy, and chasing as many girls as I could............................and look at me now - I'm as 'normal' as anyone can be!!!
Hahahahahahaha!!!!
Larry Sinclair: A military man, who knew.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 1:12pm.
With the repeal of "Don't ask, don't tell," President Obama is well on his way to fulfilling his campaign promises to the LGBT community.
Yup a great relationship, lean forward..
You Didn't Build That.
I recall
Submitted by ahusser on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 8:53pm.
That the first official act of the Clinton 'Administration' was don't ask don't tell.
"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'
From Klein's Point of VIew He Does
Submitted by JustAl on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 1:29pm.
Since Klein holds the military in slight regard, with naught but scorn, he thinks everyone should.
Let's hear it from the active and retired on this blog.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 1:44pm.
Here's one retired vote against the rat bastard Fascist SOB.
Another one
Submitted by UpNorth on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 2:37pm.
against, Bubba.
Navy on board with you folks as well
Submitted by Tomorama on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 2:39pm.
Serving under Reagan, the old salts stated as a matter of fact the military moral sucked under Carter.
Not thrilled Reagan ran from Beirut so quickly, but his leagacy was of a good leader that was respected.
Just a 6 years of service vet's honest opinion.
I came in 1981.
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 10:07pm.
Drug abuse was rampant before the Urinalysis tests started.
No. I have already showed above, President Bush was loved and respected by the military including me. I wanted McCain. Still want McCain. The idiot in charge now knows nothing of the military and little of patriotic duties. That includes keeping your mouth shut during national anthems even if it is someone elses.
Right on
Submitted by Tomorama on Mon, 05/30/2011 - 10:08am.
81-87 active duty Navy.
Was a 4X2, but decided to make my last two active.
My rate at the time was a bonus baby, so what the hell.
Best thing I ever did (Besides my wife and kids of course................, well kids anyway........................).
I Never Thought...
Submitted by GeneralAl on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 9:21pm.
I never thought I would say this but, as a Vietnam vet, even LBJ had better connections to the military than the Chicago Agonizer-in-Chief
"Old Soldiers never die, they just fade away"!
I agree
Submitted by ahusser on Mon, 05/30/2011 - 12:21pm.
Also as a Vietnam Vet. But I went when Nixon was pres and he wasn't liked. But there is a vast difference between the new weenie new age dems than the old style Truman, LBJ, FDR, Kennedy dems. The first weenie dem candidate was McGovern. Soon after the moonbats took over the party which now has moved a long way to the left after Kennedy and is now a truly socialist party.
"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'
Myth over Truth
Submitted by Galvanic on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 1:45pm.
Democrats distrust the military, and military members generally sense that. they see it in the way they are dealt with by Democrats. Remember in 1993 when GEN Barry McCaffery was called to the White House? He said "Hello" to a young Clinton staffer who replied, "We don't talk to people in uniform here."
As a draft dodger, Clinton knew he had an image problem among the military that he couldn't overcome, so his handlers concentrated on public perception of military acceptance.
I was assigned to the Pentagon from 1993-2000, and I recall vividly how the 2nd Floor A-Ring wall between Corridors 1 and 10 was redecorated with dozens of photos of President Clinton -- often wearing a military flight jacket -- shaking hands with smiling US service members, meeting with the Joint Chiefs, and visiting military installations.
The location for this display was no accident. It was along the route that Pentagon tour groups walked along, with their guides -- sailors, soldiers, Marines, and airmen -- recited the memorized script about the Commander in Chief. The tours were the target audience.
It was shameless demagoguery, and most of us in uniform only grew to despise him more.
No doubt, the clowns like Klein are executing the same game plan. He hopes to persuade a few former Obama supporters-turned-doubters that Obama is really a great Commander in Chief. Will anyone buy it on Klein's word? I certainly hope no one is that dumb.
Good story
Submitted by killa37 on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 2:18pm.
Good story gal...................except for the unfortunate fact that a LOT of people ARE that dumb!!!!
?!
Submitted by Phryj1 on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 1:47pm.
Obama, a guy who's first act as CIC was a meeting with the top generals where he threw in their faces that he was in charge and dressed them down, who's fired generals for disagreeing with his policies, and who's implemented suicidal rules-of-engagement called courageous restraint, THAT'S a better relationship with the military?
Well, I guess for these leftist wingnuts, an incompetent, authoritarian buffoon bossing around and disrespecting the military is good relationship.They're so enamored with Obama, that they ALL get thrills up their legs when he starts bossing people around and putting anyone 'beneath him' -which is EVERYBODY in the MSM and DNC's minds- in their place. Cult-of-personality much?
Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.
The Make Believe Media can claim whatever they want to.
Submitted by Free Stinker on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 1:51pm.
The Make Believe Media can claim whatever they want to.
Thanks to Youtube I can make my own decision.
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
Yes. Do these people think youtube only counts when they want it
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 4:12pm.
Bush Thanks Troops Returning From War Zones
President George W Bush Greeting Troops at DFW
Bush Thanks Troops in Alaska
President Bush Addresses Troops in Iraq Part 1
President Bush Addresses Troops in Iraq Part 2
President Bush Visits and Thanks Troops in Anbar Province
President Bush Speaks to Troops in Kuwait
Bush Speech at Fort Campbell - End
President Bush in Baghdad for Thanksgiving (2003)
Troops speak out about Bush after visit..
President Bush Breaks Down While Presenting Medal of Honor
President Bush Visit To Iraq December 14, 2008
Troops, Families Welcome Bush to Korea
Tribute to the Troops: Former President George W. Bush
President Bush visits Troops in Ft. Irwin, CA - 4/6/07
First Lady Laura Bush Surprises Troops in Kuwait
President George W. Bush Thanks Military Support Groups
U.S. Armed Forces Honor President Bush For His Service With An Award.
Another comparison ---
Obama's Surprise Visit to Afghanistan vs Bush's Surprise Visit to Iraq: Secret Visits
Oh fudge, my linker overheated again, think I will give it a break and search for Senator Kerry's support for troops - Here is all 200 of them
Kerry Belittles U.S. Troops - SmartSoldiers.org
Oops. Overshot that one by 199, wait, is that word belittle? Whoops. Overshot that by 200.
Vet
Submitted by Free Stinker on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 9:06pm.
Thank you for posting that list. Good Stuff!
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
Sad
Submitted by grammajane on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 2:02pm.
My grandson was quite sad that "the one" signed his discharge papers. He much would have preferred Pres. Bush to do the honors......
Joe who?
Submitted by buddyc on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 2:13pm.
Joe who?
Then you have no reason to suppress the military vote
Submitted by TheHistorian on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 2:52pm.
do you Joe? You should be out there proclaiming that the military MUST receive their ballots on time, and that ALL military votes should be counted. Just like you liberals did in FL in 2000 (NOT).
I think the reason they love him is because of the way he tried to cut out veterans treatments for those who had been injured in war. That was SUCH a heroic way to take care of the troops.
The troops will follow him, because he is the Commander in Chief, and they have the requirement to follow the President's orders. But I think they respect him about as much as they respect Bill Clinton.
Dennis Prager
Only You
Submitted by malthus on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 3:00pm.
Being a Vet should be the first qualification for assuming the Presidency.
Vets only? Well that's one way to thin out the GOP field.
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 7:35pm.
Say bye-bye to Mitt Romney, Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Tim Pawlenty, Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee, Jon Huntsman, Mitch Daniels, Michelle Bachmann, Rick Santorum, Bobby Jindal, Marco Rubio, Paul Ryan and Jeb Bush.
The requirement would have eliminated past candidates such as Fred Thompson, Pat Buchanan, Sam Brownback, Dick Cheney, George Allen, Pat Robertson.
Pataki, Swartzenegger, Bloomberg, Condi Rice? Nuh-uh
Noted pundit/broadcasters of the "Right" who might some day have a hankering to run, e.g. Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, O'Reilly, Bennett? Sorry
Prominent Repub Congressional leaders past and present: Dick Armey, Tom Delay, Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, Eric Cantor, John Kyl, John Cornyn, John Ashcroft...you're out
neocon armchair warriors: Richard Perle, Doug Feith, Paul Wolfewitz, General Karl Rove...fuhgitaboutit
Technically, GWB didn't qualify as a "Vet" either.
But there's always Colin Powell [if he's still a Republican], McCain [again], Ron Paul [the renowned isolationist], and "Duke" Cunningham [if he gets out of prison and is pardoned]
Jer
I would rather disqualify all
Submitted by Boudin on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 7:53pm.
The dimwits. If your for higher taxes, bigger Gov, and more oversight of any kind. I for one, am not interested.
Military experience? Who was Gen Clark?
Not only that Jer................
Submitted by Tomorama on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 7:52pm.
It would thin out the lefts field as well Jer, unless you count Obama "thinking about joining but Vietnam combat mission was already over"..........
Real tough guy, writes two books............................. but never mentions that um, uh, um, uh thought until running for President.
I hold it against NOBODY for not enlisting, BUT GUTLESS, fraud liars who try to sound tough well after the fact, nah, no respect given or earned.
Here is the toughs guys quote BUT NEVER MENTIONED in his................................................... two books:
"And I actually always thought of the military as an ennobling and, you know, honourable option. But keep in mind that I graduated in 1979. The Vietnam War had come to an end. We weren't engaged in an active military conflict at that point. And so, it's not an option that I ever decided to pursue."
It would thin out the lefts
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 05/30/2011 - 2:35pm.
It would thin out the lefts field as well Jer, unless you count Obama "thinking about joining but Vietnam combat mission was already over"..........
Without a doubt. But Obama's statements about the military in general and Vietnam in particular--while admittedly evidencing a degree of disingenuousness--are hardly an example of the gutless fraud which you suggest. Let's face it. In the early and mid-60's the mindset regarding military service and potential tours of duty in Nam was dramatically different than what it became by the late 60's and 70's--and it cut across the entire ideological spectrum. In fact, among those Vietnam era individuals who later became involved in national politics, the record of service of liberal/moderate Democrats and moderate Republicans was generally more impressive than that of conservatives.
In this instance, I'm not sure what or whom Klein is talking about when he refers to the "relationship" with Obama. Petraeus? Senior commanders? The military in general? The polls do indeed show the military became very disenchanted with George Bush's handling of Iraq during 2006-2007 [dipping to around 35% approval]. Even so, he still enjoyed generally favorable ratings from the military, although, in that area too there were significant declines [high 70's to low 50's]. That said, I don't think anyone can seriously suggest that veterans and active duty personnel have at any time in recent history demonstrated a predilection for Democratic rather than GOP presidents--but considering the facts the political identification among members of the military is decidedly Republican and the most recent Gallup poll preceded the elimination of bin Laden, Obama's approval gap between the military and general public respondents is not as wide as one might have otherwise surmised.
A few closing points:
1.) I think the Dems are customarily not given enough credit for the very strong historical support they have provided and continue to provide with respect to veterans issues.
2.) I would like to see some corroboration of the contentions made by others on this thread that Obama attempted to cut off treatments for injured veterans, and that one of his first official acts was to call in the military chiefs and dress them down
3. In my opinion, the notion expressed by ANY soldier, sailor, Marine, or airman--active or retired--that this President is not MY President is repugnant and dangerous.
Jer
Any liberal who fawns over Obama, ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 05/30/2011 - 10:50pm.
who continually leaps to either Obama's, his administration's, or any Democrat's defense, regardless of the issue, is to me, the perfect example of a repugnant individual because he or she is purblind and will not admit it.
Partisanship is all.
There are few, very few politicians of the Republican Party for whom I have even a passing respect. All politicians, and both their actions - ObamaCare -, and their inactions - failure to secure our southern borders -, have turned the whole political system into a joke on the best of days and a travesty the remainder of the time.
I did not vote for Obama primarily because he was inexperienced and specifically because he was liberal. Liberals are just plain losers. Witness what has transpired in this country since January, 2009.
That Obama the Messiah has also turned out to be a lying, worthless piece of sh*t is on you blind fools who voted for him, not me.
Obama is not MY president and never WILL BE, despite what an uncertain future holds because of morons who are allowed to vote but are too damned stupid to do any research on who and what they are voting for or on.
Not all soldiers, sailors, Marines, or airman are mindless liberals, and when they smell shit, while discretion may be the better part of valor, rest assured, they know from where it comes.
Your opinion, Jer, reference thinking individuals in today's military, is repugnant and insulting; but at least it is not the military who is dangerous to this country; that danger is attributable to Obama and his minions.
I consider Obama a piece of crap because he has proven over and over again that he is precisely that.
Tell me, Jer, what, in your august opinion, other than being born with African blood in his veins and deciding to be a liberal Democrat, has this wonderboy of yours accomplished that demands he be accorded respect?
The fact he was elected by morons, holds a title, and resides in the Oval Office?
Don't make me laugh.
MD
What about veterans of the Psychic Wars?
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 8:16pm.
Are Trolljegeren qualified?
Sincerely
A Veteran of a 1000 Psychic Wars
Hell, Vet.............if
Submitted by killa37 on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 11:55pm.
Hell, Vet.............if that's the criteria............then even I can qualify!!!!!
A couple of our current liar
Submitted by stratman on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 3:17pm.
A couple of our current liar trolls sound an awful lot like Joe Klein.
In his fevered dreams...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 5:16pm.
I don't know who Klein has been talking to, but he's dead wrong on this. My family is loaded with military, and we know many folks who either are still active or are retired, and virtually none of these people have any use for Obama...The general concensus is that Obama is an incompetent empty suit who doesn't have the first clue about the military. He's the CIC because he's president, but he personally doesn't engender much respect from those in the Armed Forces. Bush, on the other hand, was well liked and much respected (and still is) by those in the military, and for Klein to say that Obama is held in higher regard and has a better relationship with the military than Bush is a total lie, and desperate wishful thinking on his part.
These libs just keep on trying to prop up Obama by tearing Bush down, don't they? Deep down, they know how lacking Obama is in his dealings with and relationship with the military, so they have to lie to make their beloved Obama look better than he is...Sad.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Headline comment
Submitted by WayRob on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 6:01pm.
And so too thought Nicolae Ceausescu, Joe.
Is this clown ....
Submitted by Patriot II on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 6:58pm.
a bold face liar? Or maybe just completely freaking stupid?
How about a "completely freaking stupid"...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 7:12pm.
"bold face liar"? That covers all of it and is Klein in a nutshell.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Correction,
Submitted by Comrade Jim on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 7:21pm.
Obama had a relation with the Weather Underground and Bush didn't.
Klein
Submitted by Unsane on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 9:15pm.
My old man and I have 40 years of military experience between us.
We both agree Klein's an idiot who has no earthly idea what he is talking about.
This is the same President who ordered F-22 production halted and then whined that this country spends more on its military than the rest of the world combined. Not that I was under any illusions about how much He hates the military; that moment crystallized it for me.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Bwaaahaaahaaaha!
Submitted by Thunder Lizard on Mon, 05/30/2011 - 2:23am.
"Time's Joe Klein: Obama Has Better Relationship With Military Than Bush Did"
This is some kind of practical joke. Has to be. No one in their right mind would say anything this obviously ridiculous. (snicker) Either that or Joe is smoking something.
It also might have something
Submitted by dscott on Mon, 05/30/2011 - 2:24am.
It also might have something to do with the fact that W to my knowledge called each and every family of a fallen soldier, spoke to them at least by phone and sometimes in person. He took each loss personally as he knew it was directly his orders that places every soldier in harms way. This was in addition to the customary letter of condolences. Obama on the other hand at least to my knowledge only sends a letter and rarely talks to the family of the fallen.
Correct me if I'm wrong on this point. Anyone?
That more than anything else a leader demonstrates is accepting the responsibility of their decisions which impact those under his/her care. I don't get that impression of Obama and I suspect the troops know this more keenly than we can imagine.
Cold blooded
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 05/30/2011 - 8:12am.
There's no question that the Chairman is a cold-blooded sorry snake in the grass. I mean, he really is, he pretends to "care" about things, but he's very narcissistic and as evidenced recently, got some "brain issues" that doesn't help with that. I can't even begin to guess how he treats his family behind the scenes, given that he's used his own children, little girls, as props.
If anything, he goes through the motions in some things just to satisfy people but would never stand out above anyone else(except in his own mind!) as a leader, which he's no leader of men at all. At best, he's ridiculous, at worst, he's a traitor or a Manchurian Candidate destroying this country, after all, if he loved this country, we would be seeing something totally different than we are now. He even said he wished he could rule like China.
Many of us knew he would be like this, once it became obvious that he's a Communist. To a Communist, the military are a tool to use and nothing more than that. Hell, the American military represent everything a Communist hates, which is to defend freedom and liberty.
Given his actions and orders as (have to swallow my gorge here) Commander in Chief, he should have been removed from office and locked in irons.
-Jon
Inconvenient facts
Submitted by Gat New York on Mon, 05/30/2011 - 9:13am.
Unfortunately for Klein and the other liberal idealists, actual facts don't match up to their dreamy rhetoric. The latest Gallup poll among service personnel proves that Obama is not at all respected or trusted:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/147839/Military-Personnel-Veterans-Give-Obama...
But factless and clueless idiots like Klein can just make up whatever they want and they will not be questioned (except here of course).
I missed it - drat - I missed it...
Submitted by acaiguana on Mon, 05/30/2011 - 9:57am.
Klein - I missed it.
Where are all the stories about pigs flying?
Where do I go to see the U-Tube videos?
ACA
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Quoted from: 'Acaiguana notes from the Underground' (Soon to be at theaters near you)
Keep trying, Joe. This
Submitted by wiwf on Mon, 05/30/2011 - 10:34am.
Keep trying, Joe. This stuff's hilarious.