CNN Anchor: Are Conservatives Angry About Common's White House Appearance Because He's Black?
As NewsBusters has been reporting for months, Obama-loving media are busily depicting every criticism of the Administration as being racially motivated.
On Saturday, Don Lemon brought on a number of guests on "CNN Newsroom" to discuss how the recent controversy surrounding rapper Common's appearance at the White House is all because he's black (video follows with transcript and commentary):
DON LEMON, ANCHOR: All right. So, Tim, is there -- because I've been hearing this, and I've been hearing this, I think African-Americans, the ones I know, won't say it, but white Americans are saying to me, Don, you know, there's some racial undertones here.
Do you see that? I want you -- but I want to play this clip from Bill Maher last night and then we'll talk about it.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BILL MAHER, TV HOST: And, of course, this, to them, has nothing to do with the fact that he's black. You have to feel bad for people like Karl Rove and Matt Drudge and Andrew Breitbart. It's so hard to live in a color blind society when all the bad people are black. It's just hard for them.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
LEMON: So, listen, I know that, you know, FOX will play this and say, look what CNN did, they invited these people on and what-have-you, just asking the questions. Is there some racial undertones here?
TIM WISE, AUTHOR, "COLORBLIND": Well, there's a racial disparity in the way that a lot of white folks view hip hop as opposed to country music where you have artists for years. I live in Nashville, Tennessee. There are folks that made their living, Johnny Cash, some of the earlier work that Porter Wagoner did when he talked about killing his ex-wife and burying her in the forest. I mean, no one said, oh, my God, we can't talk about Porter Wagoner or Johnny Cash.
There's a definite racial disparity in the treatment of different types of music. And I think the reason is because for a lot of white Americans, they believe that when black people talk about violence, it's autobiographical and they're getting ready to go kill somebody, and they realize that when white folks do it -- oh, they're just talking.
Except, of course, you know, the real thing -- and Bill O'Reilly, you had the clip of him, and he said, you know, the White House doesn't understand a lot of America. I think the bigger issue is that these critics don't understand is that there's millions of Americans whose understanding and experience of this country is not the Lee Greenwood, you know, thank God I'm free, proud to be an American version, it's a version of the folks who live in the south Bronx, who live on Pine Ridge Reservation, brown skin folks in Arizona right now who don't feel free.
And when they write about it either in a rhyme or in a poem, I think that's what scares these conservative white folks. They don't accept the fact there are millions of people for whom the experience of America is different than theirs and they certainly don't want to have to confront that.
LEMON: Are these pundits trying to get traction because the president is black and that rap is primarily a black art form, primarily a black art form, but who buys most of the rap and hip hop music in the country?
WATSON: White Americans.
LEMON: So, are they trying to gain traction on this, Tim?
WISE: Yes. Are you asking me? I'm not sure.
LEMON: Yes, Tim. Yes.
WISE: Yes. Yes, yes. I mean, absolutely. Look, this is one of those ways you can push a button with people. The same way you can by questioning the president's academic credentials. That's a very clear button of racial anxiety and racial resentment.
LEMON: OK.
Yep. That's it. It's got absolutely nothing to do with the content of Common's so-called songs.
Like everything else since America elected it's first black president, it's all about race.
Exit question: are you getting tired of being called racist for every concern you have about this White House?
(H/T Weasel Zippers)
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Well at least we know the wave the MSM will be riding in 2012
Submitted by HeavyChevy on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 6:04pm.
The wave of total absolute failure.
Dry hump that theory till your crotch catches fire Lemon no one is buying it anymore.
HC
Submitted by well99 on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 9:49pm.
Nicely put.lol that caught me by surprise.Forget Steward and Colbert..I get more laughs from the post on NB.That was cool.
So, whites are a large part
Submitted by ant on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 6:09pm.
So, whites are a large part of the rap "buying" audience, but they are also scared racists who want to wear blinders to the black 'experience' and 'art' form? OK, you moron leftists just keep chasing this BS till you find yourself talking up your own ass with nowhere to back up. I'll be busy laughing at you and the fact you consider yourselves "experts" and "journalists". What a joke these people have become.
Go read his lyrics and YOU decide
Submitted by TheHistorian on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 6:13pm.
You can read any of his lyrics at
http://www.elyrics.net/song/c/common-lyrics.html
I find him disgusting whether he is white, black, oriental, or whatever. He degrades people.
As I told one of my Boy Scouts who was "singing" his crap: Would you kiss your mother with lips that said that? Maybe President Obama jives on the lyrics of "The Bitch in Yoo" and "Heidi Hoe". He really demonstrates a "common decorum" when he brings trash like that to perform in the White House. President Obama, would you like men to treat your wife and your girls the way that this piece of trash sings?
If this is acceptable way to sing and talk about women in the black community, then it is time that we break the cycle of behavior. Unfortunately, the Illiterati that call themselves the media try to justify this garbage and this unacceptable trashing of our nation in the name of "the first black President".
Dennis Prager
Also
Submitted by Gat New York on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 8:37pm.
He actually named his daughter after Joanne Chesimard.
He also has been a life long member of the Jeremiah Wright Church of Hate and a loyal defender.
It really does not matter that Barack and Michelle Obama technically quit Wright's Church of Hate because it is now evident that their heart and soul are firmly planted in that sewer.
Wow...............these MSM
Submitted by killa37 on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 6:25pm.
Wow...............these MSM underlings are REALLY in lockstep with this whole 'racial' thing - and it is perfectly coordinated with Boy Barry's renewed re-election efforts......................although they never really let it go from before - they are just hyping it up even more now!!!
I think this clown 'Common' picked a great name for himself.........................his IQ and his 'poetry' are about as 'common' as you can get. I've heard better on my jobsites - made up right on the spot by 'common' working guys.
Yo, Killa.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 6:48pm.
Do you call yourself Killa37 because that's how many black people you have killed?
Hey, I'm just trying to follow the liberal "logic" here!
Do you think liberals and blacks hate Sarah Palin because she's (a) white (b) female (c) a mom of a special needs child or (d) Christian?
Actually, I don't know where
Submitted by killa37 on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 7:02pm.
Actually, I don't know where the '37' came from............the NB website put that on the end of my 'killa' nickname. But I HAVE killed many black and brown cockroaches, and brown and red (and even BLUE) centipedes, and a lot of brown and tan and white termites, and my black and white cat Oreo has killed numerous black and gray rats and mice.........................so I guess that would make me a racist!!!
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...............I'm talking about cockroaches, centipedes, termites, mice, and rats..................it does seem to segue into a conversation about liberals!!!!
Oh............they hate Palin for ALL of your reasons, and also because she is attractive, smart, funny, quick, clever, DANGEROUS..........................and - she can talk 'off the cuff', without having to rely on a set of head-bobbing teleprompters. But..............hey,what about those notes she wrote on her hand with an inkpen?? Remember when Bagdad Bob Gibbs made a total immature fool of himself by trying to impersonate Palin with his own hand notes??
And speaking of Gibbs...............how's this new little queebie working out as WH spokesperson. I hesitate to call him a 'spokesman', because he's just another little tilley-assed fairy that Boy Barry seems to accumulate.
There's a shark out there
Submitted by Chris Norman on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 6:28pm.
There's a shark out there overdue to be jumped.
Chris
Submitted by okiehawk44 on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 7:39pm.
The shark has been jumped by Obama and friends already -- even Fonzie knows it.
This is incredible!
Submitted by jon_torlin on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 6:30pm.
This is absolutely incredible! By saying that, the MSM have lost any credibility they have left by not just playing the race card, but beating it to death, put it back together and beat it to death yet again, just like beating a dead horse expecting results in their favor.
In all the years of being aware of how politics works(starting with Ford right before Jimmy Carter), I don't think the race card has ever been used as much as it has in the last 3 years alone and by the MSM complicit with the WH too!
Incredible. That's all they have left, racism to fall back on and accuse anyone and everyone of it for anything and everything.
-Jon
Jon,
Submitted by Chris Norman on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 6:51pm.
Being called a "racist" will soon have as much sting as being called a "poopie pants".
Chris,
Submitted by Dave. on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 6:57pm.
I kind of think that we are already there.
It's like the Boy Who Cried Wolf story.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Not really, Jon.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 6:51pm.
When your man in the White House is a rat bastard Fascist SOB who is as dumb as a sack of rocks, and who has George Soros (a white man) hand up his sock puppet a$$ moving his mouth, You have to come up with SOMETHING to help get him reelected!
Racism seems to work as well as anything else for the open minded, liberal plicks.
Don Lemmon
Submitted by RCB on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 6:30pm.
“Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.” MLK
Don Lemon
Submitted by Texndoc on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 6:33pm.
I had read buzz is: Mr. Lemon is coming out with a "tell all" biography where he exits the closet. Let's see if the fact that the African-American community is by far more homophobic gets any play here.
Well hell...............the
Submitted by killa37 on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 6:49pm.
Well hell...............the Border's Bookstore here on my island closed it's doors recently, so where am I going to run to so that I can buy this upcoming blockbuster of an autobiography??? What's the title going to be - 'Black - and Gay - Like Me'???
No not "Black - and Gay - Like Me"
Submitted by Texndoc on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 7:02pm.
But close.
http://www.amazon.com/Transparent-Don-Lemon/dp/0982702787
I like my title
Submitted by killa37 on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 7:12pm.
I like my title better..................I'm sure this guy is about as 'transparent' as the current administration.
Nooooo.. Common rapped about Killing the POTUS
Submitted by Gary Hall on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 6:38pm.
"... burn a Bush..." That's not just rip about violence. Where's the Secret Service. One of his loyals might be incited to act on such hate speech.
The racist thing here is that the MSM keeps leaving that out of their conversation about why folks had an issue with Common being invited to the White House to perform for the POTUS and First Lady.
I don't remember Johnny Cash singing for his listeners to kill the President.
Lemon out to be out and out fired for this spot. He's a rotten lemon, at best.
(;~/ gary
It's going to get real ugly,
Submitted by Soldat44 on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 6:43pm.
It's going to get real ugly, real fast before the 2012 election. I just hope that this country will survive in one piece.
I hope so too, but I'm not
Submitted by Rowane on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 2:24am.
I hope so too, but I'm not really optimistic.
You've got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything. (Aaron Tippin)
Porter Wagoner...
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 6:45pm.
...Sang a song about a fictitious guy killing his fictitious wife and then being sorry for it. This compares to accepting the fictitious account of a convicted armed robber/kidnapper/bank robber/cop killer and presenting it as if it were the truth?
Ah, what do I know, I am racist.
Disclosure - not a rap fan
Submitted by panzerakc on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 11:44pm.
My only exposure to rap has been brief glimpses on MTV, and moments heard on passing vehicles kind enough to play their rap loud enough for all the folks in the county too poor to afford sound systems to hear.
So somebody help me out here - my impression is that the violence done or proposed in rap music suffers no consequences.
As Vet says, in the Porter Wagoner song, the narrator realizes what evil thing he has done. And when Johnny Cash sings about "killing a man just to watch him die", he's singing it from prison.
The impression I get from rap is "the ho' had it coming". Or maybe the cop did.
No, it's not the color of Common's skin that's the problem. It's the color of his heart.
I wouldn't be impressed if Obama invited Johnny Rotten to the White House, either.
Racist
Submitted by Joe C Camel on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 6:47pm.
Who is the true racist out there, those who see race in everything or those of us who don't? That word just slides off anyone I now anymore, as no one buys into it these days. Ever heard the term "overplaying" something MSM?
Are you the same Joe Camel
Submitted by killa37 on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 6:52pm.
Are you the same Joe Camel that got banned by the US government for contributing to youth smoking??? Why are you still here, and why are people still smoking???
No, we're angry about him being in the White House because...
Submitted by Mike Bratton on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 6:48pm.
...he's a terrorist sympathizer.
And we don't like Common's appearance there for the same reason.
--Mike
Save Obama at any cost syndrome
Submitted by Boil It Down on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 6:56pm.
Is it really worth creating unwarranted racial tension with fabricated racist accusations just to get a bad President re-elected? Supporting Common is the racist position and they try to turn it around and incite racial unrest by lying about the root cause. Will they be delighted when they get African Americans to fight back against the fallacious racism charges? The end justifies the means....right? Will people have to die in the streets for them to be happy? Of course the answer is that they will never be happy as is proven when there is the most far left President and administration in power now. It just isn't enough for them and it will never be enough. Malcontents can never be satisfied.
There are so many destructive things the MSM advocates which are against the country just so they can keep their precious progressive politicians in office. The Party comes far before the country or the American people. It's a top down thing to them, while our system of government was created for bottom up governance. Progressivism seems to mean destroying every good thing in the past because we've got new theories. Yes theories, not tried, tested and proven successes. -bidn-
Assita who?
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 7:20pm.
Bob Dylan sang about Ruben "Hurricane" Carter and we all know get to know his name. Why? Because the song is friggin' cool.
Common (who) sings about Assingto (Who? Is that right?) 11 years ago, no one heard it, no one knows who he is, no one cares about a convicted cop killer. Why? The song sucks. It is unlistenable and he can't sing.
I would have thought the administration
Submitted by PJRyan on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 7:05pm.
would have made sure that some of the "poetry" presented would have been published by the media. Wouldn't that be the best way to silence the critics? Publish the next day and say "see, isn't this thought-provoking and clever?". God knows the media's going to do whatever their told. But, I can't find a word anywhere.
Unless it was non-sensical, pseudo-intellectual drivel. That might be a problem.
CNN allows an anchor to bring
Submitted by sherlock1 on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 7:05pm.
CNN allows an anchor to bring in three guests who agree with him, and none who disagree, and then proceed to indulge in stereotyping anyone who finds rap lyrics offensive. They are going to be boycotted at my house until they quit fomenting race hatred to help Democrat candidates. They are happy to stereotype me so I will not only turn the other cheek, but also turn to the another channel.
Tired of this
Submitted by octavioj on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 7:21pm.
Were people not saying Bill Ayers is in the same category? Is that racism as well? Last I checked Bill Ayers is white as snow. So is his wife. And Ward Churchill. Are these not all anti-American people? And all white?
"WISE: Yes. Yes, yes. I mean,
Submitted by forest on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 7:26pm.
"WISE: Yes. Yes, yes. I mean, absolutely. Look, this is one of those ways you can push a button with people. The same way you can by questioning the president's academic credentials."
Yes! Yes! Yes! That's why nobody ever questioned W's academic chops! It's because he's white!
No wait, the MSM did that constantly. I think I heard that he was a "C" student several hundred times.
And come to think of it, I don't have any idea what Obama's credentials actually are. A student? C student? Who knows? I've seen the photo of him teaching applied Alinsky-ite radicalism as a TA and that's all I really know.
Maybe once Herr Erich von Holderen manages to spring Mumia...
Submitted by Dave. on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 7:46pm.
...the Obama's will invite him to the White House for a pig roast and a beer or something.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
So damn tired...
Submitted by desertphreak on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 8:00pm.
I'm so damn tired of these folks playing the race card...
Likewise.
Submitted by Benjamin on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 10:28pm.
And I think most of the entire country is sick of it. But put in a good supply of blood pressure medication. This is what we're going to hear all the way through the 2012 election. The race card is really all they have.
CNN stays true to its agenda
Submitted by Galvanic on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 7:55am.
If there was a racist involved in this situation, it was Common himself, who says he is against interracial marriage. Ironically, Common disapproves of Barack Obama Sr. for marrying a white woman -- the union that produced his host.
CNN Whipped Out Don Lemon to play the race card
Submitted by OxyCon on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 8:26pm.
...MessNBC whipped out Toure to play the race card.
See a pattern?
Let 'em go ahead and beat
Submitted by offthedeepend on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 8:30pm.
Let 'em go ahead and beat that dead race-card horse, shove it into every issue and conversation. Let 'em keep claiming there's a racist behind every tree... by the time the 2012 presidential campaign is really in full swing, people will be so sick of it and desensitized to it, it'll be meaningless. I hope, anyway. ; )
All about race? What about all the blacks who AREN'T criticized?
Submitted by krendler on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 8:36pm.
So how does CNN and Don Lemmon explain the 99% of cases where a black person is invited to the white house and the big, bad conservatives don't make a peep? After all, if the criticism coming from conservatives is racially motivated, why do these other blacks - people who don't talk about killing cops and killing a president - why are those guys getting a "free pass?"
Why? Because the criticism has nothing to do with race (and liberals like Lemmon know it) but liberals simply cannot stand it when a white person criticizes a black person's behavior. If it happens, they reflexively scream "RACISM!" In that respect, the ones who truly ARE the racists in this story are folk like Don Lemmon and his guest.
BTW, I love Lemmon's BS line: "I've been hearing this, and I've been hearing this, I think African-Americans, the ones I know, won't say it, but white Americans are saying to me, Don, you know, there's some racial undertones here."
Really, Don. It's those white Americans who are coming up and telling you that, but not black Americans?
Uh huh.
Only on CNN. Sheesh.
Yeah, lemon squeezed brain . . .
Submitted by ConservaSerb on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 8:51pm.
We were just all complaining about Diana Ross and Janet Jackson and Morgan Fairchild and Denzel Washington in the Pimp-n-Party Crib, weren't we?
Moron.
A wise & frugal government, which shall leave men free 2 regulate their own pursuits of industry & improvement, & shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. T. Jefferson
What a feeble, limp-wristed puny performer
Submitted by lgeubank on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 8:55pm.
Have you heard him? A more wispy, non-musical, monotone sing-song incantation of lame-brained doggerel is impossible to imagine. ANYBODY can do the non-musical, undemanding feat of "rapping." (I.e., talking over a background track.)
Years ago I almost started a
Submitted by Rowane on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 2:32am.
Years ago I almost started a riot by calling it "belligerent square-dance calling" it has the same sing-song sound.
You've got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything. (Aaron Tippin)
Lemon's racism
Submitted by redherkey on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 9:04pm.
I've noticed that Lemon (like many in the legacy media) has been refusing to report any news regarding the winner of the first Republican debate, Herman Cain. I would have to believe, according to their rationale, that this refusal to cover Cain is because he's a conservative black man, and as such, reflects institutional racism inherent within the so-called mainstream media.
It may be that we will require forced integration of the media following successful 2012 elections, akin to the bussing and other pro-diversity efforts that were necessary to reduce the prevalence of racism in other legacy institutions in the 1960s and 70s. It's been increasingly evident that entities such as MSNBC have become bastions of white liberal elitism, referring to black minorities only when its an attempt to "keep the black man and woman in their rightful (subservient) place."
Many a Klansman would brag up about how well he treated his sharecroppers, but what we measure is the efficacy of action. Liberal media and liberal government are the materialization of the Progressive movement's original eugenic goals, only masqueraded in propaganda that fools the naive into believing such tyranny is compassion.
What this country needs right now is for President Obama to
Submitted by Rush Fan on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 9:22pm.
give one more speech on race. Only then can we stop this racism that permeates throughout those who are on the political right. Barack Obama noted this racism on the right in his first speech on racism in 2008 when he said:
Shame on Rush Limbaugh for building his career on bogus claims of racism.
It's not only those on the right that are racist. It is also the fault of corporations, as Mr. Obama also noted in his race speech:
I do have a question. When Mr. Obama refers to "economic policies that favor the few over the many", do you think he is referring to his buddies in the Unions?
Rush Fan...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 10:20am.
"Talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire careers unmasking bogus claims of racism...."
"UNMASKING" is the key word and changes the tenor of the statement from being an accusation of racism or racist remarks on the part of conservative commentators--or that they are the purveyors of false charges of racist behavior engaged in by others-- to an acknowledgement by Obama that there have been bogus claims of racism made by blacks and white liberals which have been exposed as such (unmasked) by various conservative commentators (including, one presumes, Rush Limbaugh).
Other than being marred by a couple of excessively politically-themed points [it was, after all, delivered in the climactic period of the 2008 campaign], the speech was a tour de force. It is disappointing there haven't been more like it since.
Jer
"... while dismissing
Submitted by ant on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 11:05am.
"... while dismissing legitimate claims of racial injustice and inequality..." kinda ruins the claim BO was defending conservative talkers. Not to mention numerous statements made by BO since.
ant...THAT part of the quote wasn't misinterpreted.
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 1:13pm.
The statement I referred to was.
It is also important to note the words which immediately followed the second excerpt from Obama's speech which Rush Fan reprinted in his post:
"And yet, to wish away the resentments of white Americans, to label them as misguided or even racist, without recognizing they are grounded in legitimate concerns - this too widens the racial divide, and blocks the path to understanding."
Jer
Jer
Submitted by ant on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 1:34pm.
These were words issued on the campaign trail, I believe, something Pelosi reminded us does not have to be true or held dear as long as it gets you elected. And I actually have to take issue with the phrase "..the resentments of white Americans.," What is that supposed to mean? Can't we just be Americans? The major complaint regarding this continuous call of racism about everything is the only real "resentment of white Americans". To constantly imply that citizen concerns over rampant Government spending or suicidal policy on illegal immigration, executive orders out the whazoo, the actual and in-planning government infringement on everything (education, diet, transportation,etc.) and even the numbers on un-employment and welfare are somehow steeped in racism is disgusting and is going to make it very difficult for libs and the President to back-pedal and claim they are truly color-blind when it comes to addressing these problems. The left is, inadvertently, telling people that they have no solutions when everything is laid at the feet of the "white racist" scapegoat.
Jer
Submitted by well99 on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 7:03pm.
I liked Obama's "typical white person" statement.Funny thing is some others noticed it to.
"Clinton insiders say Obama's remarks stereotyped whites in a negative way and will further alienate white working-class people around the country, including those in Pennsylvania, which holds a key primary April 22. Obama's remarks are being criticized on Fox News, NBC, MSNBC, and elsewhere in the media, keeping the controversy going. Clinton strategists say it's part of a broader problem—that Obama has not been sufficiently "vetted" and there are many areas of his life and background that have escaped scrutiny and might embarrass him later."
Link
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/news-desk/2008/03/21/obama-typical-whit...
Yes he made the statement you have posted but saying it and meaning it are two different.
So you have divined precisely
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 1:05am.
So you have divined precisely which statements of Obama are sincere and which ones are insincere? I'm very impressed.
Look, there has been more than one occasion where Obama made an intemperate race-related observation which I believe even he would acknowledge--or has in fact conceded--should have been phrased differently or better left unsaid. Still, I think the speech he gave after the Reverend Wright controversy erupted during the campaign fairly represents his views on race in America. And, repeating what I posted earlier, I wish he would find more opportunities to re-emphasize those themes.
Jer
Jer
Submitted by MrShy on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 1:56am.
"...which I believe even he would acknowledge--or has in fact conceded--should have been phrased differently or better left unsaid."
"Still, I think the speech he gave after the Reverend Wright controversy erupted during the campaign fairly represents his views on race in America."
Yes, we know you do a lot of believing and thinking about things. Don't we all? But you're kinda taking up bandwidth if you're coming on here to debate in what I hope is an honest attempt at sorting out the truth from the fiction, when it's all based on your thoughts and beliefs and not the facts we have in front of us.
Which brings me to...
You believe Man With Mammoth Ears has possibly (but, wait... "in fact"?) conceded or acknowledged to having phrased something the wrong way and apologized publicly? Can you offer up any video or quote of this?
"And, repeating what I posted earlier, I wish he would find more opportunities to re-emphasize those themes."
Wishes, thoughts and beliefs. Things we all have.
- Shy Vinyl
Join Mr. Shy and The 1* Percent
Maybe, Shy---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 2:28am.
Jer has "divined precisely" what Obama means when he speaks.
A lot of people in love get those weird kinda vibes.
MD
And maybe, md...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 6:07pm.
Jer hasn't done so and doesn't attempt to do so. I can and do interpret words and draw inferences from behavior, but I don't presume to know with absolute certainty a person's motives or intent. However, I can and do occasionally express my opinions in that regard. That's a big reason why people post comments at this website.
BTW...have you ever posted a single link since you began commenting at NB? Do you even know what Google is or how it functions?
Jer
Jer
Submitted by ant on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 6:49pm.
LInks, do not an argument make. If I say "a frog is an amphibian" must I link to five different sources before you believe me? Does Sgt. Shultz footnote his hate-filled rants? Did Grayson provide a link to prove Bush was just on a five day bender like he said on National television? Maddow would not have a show if she had to provide sources and links to her many twisted tales posing as 'news'. Sometimes discernment is key and memory a valuable source. Truth be told, I have five times more faith in what you write than any of the above-mentioned "journalists", yet their tiny audience of leftist devotees never asks for 'links'. You should know matthewdean and others on here well enough by now to know they do not aim to deceive.
ant---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 8:27pm.
I thank you.
Jer, like any liberal who can, on occasion, have a lucid thought, does at times go absolutely bat shit crazy in trying to find new ways to excuse the insanity of the left.
Apparently, Google is his savior in this regard.
The cognitive dissonance factor does, at times, rear it's head; and is most discernible in his posts.
Those would be the ones where he gets hammered for pissant comments and as a result, gets all pissy.
Apropos, no?
In Jer's case, the cognitive dissonance factor that messes him up is:
"How in the world can I continue to push my liberal Democrat bona fides and still flaunt my vaunted assailing of liberals and Dems in every ninth or tenth post I enter on the various threads here at NB's?"
It is indeed, a quandary for him.
Makes him uptight and prone to being accusatory, condemnatory, and pseudo-professorial, all at the same time.
Only because he is in a pissy mood, or flailing, would Jer bring up me and links, because he knows full well that opinions do not necessitate proof of same.
MD
You're welcome, md. I know
Submitted by ant on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 8:54pm.
You're welcome, md. I know you don't need my help, but the situation reminded me of a debate I got in on a site I did not frequent with a lib that insisted links were the only way to debate. Which is fine to a point, but he just couldn't seem to comprehend that the links that he wanted me to read were just as tainted and partisan as his own leftist positions. It seemed to me if he could simply appeal to my sense of logic in his argument, no links should really be needed. Though, if you could have read his opinions, the whole conversation turned out pretty pointless and rude.
Maybe not, ant...but links are what MrShy requested.
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 9:02pm.
At least that is how I interpreted the question in his post to which I responded:
"You believe Man With Mammoth Ears has possibly (but, wait... "in fact"?) conceded or acknowledged to having phrased something the wrong way and apologized publicly? Can you offer up any video or quote of this?"
Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/05/15/cnn-anchor-are...
Regarding my comment and quip to matthewdean and your reflections, I believe I probably know Matthew as well, and respect him at least as much, as does any other member of NewsBusters. I was ragging on him a bit, as he does [continually] on me.
Jer
If you love him so much
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 9:21pm.
Then why am I, always called his lapdog?
When and by whom were you
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 9:40pm.
When and by whom were you called whose lapdog?
Jer
Thats funny, your jealous,
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:02pm.
I was just kidding, but I think ADK did once, not as interested in "when" as you are
Okay..but since you claimed "always",
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:08pm.
asking "when" seemed appropriate.
Jer
Careful now
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:21pm.
Folks are going to think you have no sense of humor Jer.
Look, if you want to be known as Matt's lapdog, fine. I have no problem with that, what so ever, really!
I like that link, Jer, very
Submitted by ant on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 9:49pm.
I like that link, Jer, very good! Many,many libs come around stating the most assinine, brainless talking points and personal insults that they are really just wasting space. You don't and aren't and that's probably why I rag on you, because you hang in there and actually converse. There's no sin in ragging on me or md or others, I'm just making a point that I get bored with the link vs. link scenario sometimes and appeals to common sense can work just as well, and besides, md wished me a happy birthday in Feb. and you didn't. nah-nah.
If I had been aware of your birthday, ant...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:25pm.
I would have showered you with best wishes. Since I wasn't and didn't, you are hereby relieved of any obligation to acknowledge mine this Saturday.
Jer
Cool, Jer..
Submitted by ant on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:32pm.
I'll be working Saturday so I'll get my best wishes for a Happy Birthday!! in now.
Thanks, ant...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:35pm.
Feb _?...so I can mark my calendar.
Jer
The 4th of Feb.
Submitted by ant on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 11:19pm.
Don't worry, I'll remind you. Other people born on May 21;
Plato
Albrecht Durer (painter, mathematician)
Alexander Pope (poet)
Henri Rousseau (artist)
Raymond Burr (actor)
Andre Sakharov (physicist)
Al Franken
Mr. T
Judge Reinhold
Notorious BIG
Rag time - no longer just a ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 05/18/2011 - 4:52am.
rhythm characterized by strong syncopation in the melody with a regularly accented accompaniment, but :
a means of giving holy hell to an ideologically differently leaning individual without fear of attendant bloodletting.
A way to insult (within reason) a person whom you respect even though you think he is addled, politcally speaking; an individual that you are absolutely positive that if you were to share a pitcher of beer with, that some of the beer would end up being poured on each other's heads; all the while laughing like kids and grinning like fools. :o)
MD
Google, Jer?---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 8:01pm.
Why would I need that when jousting with an Obama loving liberal who never misses an opportunity to kiss ol' purple lip's ass; a house liberal who actually has the balls, on a conservative site, to question a conservative's ability to link something?
I have, am, and will continue to kick your liberal arse verbally, linguistically, and ideologically, Google or no.
Any more tepid insults you care to throw my way, beetle brow?
MD
MrShy...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 5:48pm.
A couple of incidents which I recall offhand: here and here.
Jer
Uh, Jer
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 11:36pm.
"And yet, to wish away the resentments of white Americans, to label them as misguided or even racist, without recognizing they are grounded in legitimate concerns - this too widens the racial divide, and blocks the path to understanding."
Why is the 0 assuming whites have resentments, and what reasons is he ascribing these "resentments"?
RESTLESS...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 05/18/2011 - 12:18am.
Obama specifically addresses the issues raised in your quoted excerpt in preceding and succeeding paragraphs but probably most directly here:
"In fact, a similar anger exists within segments of the white community. Most working- and middle-class white Americans don't feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race. Their experience is the immigrant experience - as far as they're concerned, no one's handed them anything, they've built it from scratch. They've worked hard all their lives, many times only to see their jobs shipped overseas or their pension dumped after a lifetime of labor. They are anxious about their futures, and feel their dreams slipping away; in an era of stagnant wages and global competition, opportunity comes to be seen as a zero sum game, in which your dreams come at my expense. So when they are told to bus their children to a school across town; when they hear that an African American is getting an advantage in landing a good job or a spot in a good college because of an injustice that they themselves never committed; when they're told that their fears about crime in urban neighborhoods are somehow prejudiced, resentment builds over time." [My italics]
Jer
Jer.....Oops, you are correct. In my haste I completely ignored
Submitted by Rush Fan on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 12:21am.
the key word unmasking, which, as you pointed out, completely changes my original comment regarding Rush Limbaugh. Sorry about that.
But that still doesn't change Obama's intent to blame someone, in this instance, Talk show hosts and conservative commentators (i.e Rush Limbaugh) for dismissing legitimate discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political correctness or reverse racism. I listen to a number of conservative talk radio hosts, in addition to Rush Limbaugh, and I am not aware that any of them have dismissed or would dismiss discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political correctness or reverse racism.
The key intent of this "race speech" was to respond to the criticism Obama had received for attending Rev, Wright's radical black liberation theology church for 20+ years. Obama's speech writer(s) were able to both defend Rev Wright while throwing him under the bus. As is typical of Obama, he attempted to misdirect the subject from Rev. Wright to talk radio hosts, conservative.commentators and evil corporations. What a guy!
Rush Fan...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 8:31pm.
Most if not all of us are naturally and unavoidably inclined to interpret words and ascribe motives--even as we view the same event occasioning such exercise--through the dissimilar prisms which reflect our individual political and philosophical biases. Consequently, as a conservative and critic of Obama, you will very likely attach less principled and more duplicitous intentions to the very rhetoric which I, as a center/left Democrat and supporter of Obama, would regard as both genuine and laudable--and, in some respects, courageous.
Without a doubt, the revelations of Jeremiah Wright's stunningly incendiary and contemptuously anti-American "sermonizing" had placed Obama's candidacy in a perilous position and demanded his immediate and unequivocal disassociation from the Reverend and his offensive oratory. Frankly, I believed then and still believe he performed that task very skillfully by forcefully ejecting Wright from the bus while resisting the impulse to grind him under its wheels.
But, more important, Obama seized the opportunity to directly addess issues of race which have sometimes openingly convulsed our society but more often have simmered just below the surface. And what I witnessed was an enormously impressive, extremely eloquent and largely successful effort in threading a very complicated needle. He informed, he conciliated, and--in what is an extraordinarily rare act for an African-American Democratic politician--he, at times, pointedly criticized black conventional wisdom.
I had hoped his presidency would continue to build upon those themes which were brought to the forefront in that speech. Unfortunately, that promise has been buried beneath the rubble of political partisanship and even more racial division, much of it the fault of Obama himself.
Jer
Creeps like Lemon
Submitted by NotFondOfLibs on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 9:19pm.
I don't watch CNN because of people like Don Lemon, a pathetic excuse for a journalist if there ever was one. If this guy even considers himself an honest, objective journalist, he should be ashamed of himself, but I doubt that, because all these so called objective journalists at places like CNN and MSNBC, CBS, and the rest are totally in the tank for Obama.
Old is all new again
Submitted by Tjexcite on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 9:20pm.
Who new the old would be 1938 and Jew hatred only because they are Jews. And now in 2011 the only reason to hate Obama is because he is black. And if the right side are given control they would round up the blacks just like the Jew. As the left think that the right think that they (Jewish <=> Blacks) are the cause of all problems in society and once they are gone everything would be fine.
Oh and the old Jew hated did not go away hate just because they are Jewish.
What this country needs right now is for President Obama to...
Submitted by Dave. on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 9:21pm.
...resign. :-)
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Dave.....We may have started out the same, but I've got to admit
Submitted by Rush Fan on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 9:44pm.
that I like your ending much better than mine. :-)
Rush Fan,
Submitted by Dave. on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 9:50pm.
Yeah, I looked over at the recent comments box and saw, "What this country needs right now is for President Obama to..."
And that was the first thing that popped into my head.
LOL - I know it probably won't happen, but at least I know I'm thinking in the right direction.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
#1 Most Conservatives have no idea who Common is.
Submitted by Red Jeep on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 9:48pm.
So how can they hate him?
Most Conservatives see a person for their character, not what color the happen to be.
Liberals are the Racers, always emphasizing the color of other people. Liberals think anytime a white disagrees with a black that racism is involved.
If Obama turned white overnight, I still wouldn't like what he has done and is doing.
You can criticize the
Submitted by bob loblaw on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 9:55pm.
You can criticize the president, and Common's appearance at the poetry night at the White House. But when you start using words like "thug" or calling the president un-American, or a muslim, or and angry black guy, or Barack the magic negro, etc. then people will call it racist because that is what it sounds like.
The fact is no one is up in arms when Johnny Cash received an award by the president even though he had drug problems, spent many nights in jail, and some of his famous lyrics include "I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die." and "Early one morning while makin' the rounds, I took a shot of cocaine and I shot my woman down." Or "the first time I shot her, I shot her in the side. Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died."
So Bob who was calling the Prez names about this?
Submitted by Red Jeep on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 10:04pm.
Yeah, Cash sang about murder, but there were no bitches and ho's, and the F word in his lyrics.
So you can shoot a woman, as
Submitted by bob loblaw on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 10:21pm.
So you can shoot a woman, as long as you don't use bad language.
I didn't say that.
Submitted by Red Jeep on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 10:35pm.
Bob go play word games elsewhere.
I really can't of care to discuss Common's....whatever he does... because as I said before most Conservatives had no clue he even existed before now. They don't know who he is and really don't care. Don Lemon's comments show Lemon to be a Racer.
To compare Cash's music lyrics or the lyrics of country music in general to a whatever a rapper does is comparing apples to oranges, and you know that.
If you insist there is a basis of comparison. it says a lot about you..
Aren't you the same fatherless scum ...
Submitted by NL207 on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 1:12am.
that wrote this over on Huffpost :
""Everything, and I mean Everything these Republicans vote against is against humans and the planet. And for what, Corporate gain, and a belief in faith!
Anyone, and I do mean anyone who voted for, and votes for these people into office are just as responsible for their destructive and woman hating policies. Anyone who's for these people running this country, and doesn't have $5,000,000 in the bank(Sen. McCains idea of minimum rich), is simply just a taken sucker! These Republicans Do Not care about you one bit, never have, never will." "
under the eponym: sirbobloblaw666
I mop up intellectual vomit like you over in the Woodshed.
So, Cash was
Submitted by UpNorth on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 10:09pm.
singing about a real-life incident and real people? Or, was that artistic license, which libs seem to fawn all over when it's a rapper, but hate when it's a Country singer?
And, Common is a thug. Said it, don't care if you like it, Bob. He's a cop-killer loving thug. And, whoever in the WH, who couldn't figure that out, whether it be TOTUS or the FLOTUS, deserves any criticism they get. A social activist, my a$$.
I love Cash, I am pointing
Submitted by bob loblaw on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 10:26pm.
I love Cash, I am pointing out the double standard. It's music both use artistic license. Music shouldn't be taken so seriously.
And Common isn't a thug, he is one of the better rappers out there though.
Dead Zippers 19th account is alive and well.
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 11:22pm.
Shouldn't you create a new account when an account gets exposed? Why go back to an already exposed account? You are quite stupid, aren't you?
If he is
Submitted by MichiganMan on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:00pm.
If he is one of the best, then I am glad I don't listen. I went to a link provided above to a "Common" song and it was as described by another poster, a "monotone talking over a background track".
loblaw---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 10:34pm.
You are a damned fool.
Neither the word "thug" nor calling the prez un-American has any racial connotation whatsoever.
Obama himself referred to his "Muslim" religion.
Listen to some of his speeches and he does come across as angry.
That is speaking truth, you dunderhead, not being racist.
It only sounds racist to those of you who are looking for racial comments to bitch about so that a self-fulfilling prophecy springs forth from your addled thought process.
Putz.
MD
Calling Common a "thug" even
Submitted by bob loblaw on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 10:53pm.
Calling Common a "thug" even though he isn't, which the definition of thug means common criminal, which Common is not, or someone who treats others violently or roughly which Common has/does not. So then why do conservative call him a "thug"? (please would someone answer this)
Listen to most of his speeches and he comes across as level headed, that is speaking the truth. There is a racial element to the words that are sometimes used about the president, that is speaking the truth, I live in a rural area, I have heard many people say many racist things about Obama.
boblaw
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 11:00pm.
So how would you classify the many negative things said about George W? Reverse racism? Reverse snobbery? What about people like Herman Cain being called Uncle Tom's and the like? Are you up in arms about that? Surely we must now classify all insults and determine which are acceptable and which aren't. Or does that depend on who is being insulted?
You will have to be more
Submitted by bob loblaw on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 11:20pm.
You will have to be more specific about GW Bush. I have never heard any politician or pundit refer to Herman Cain as an Uncle Tom. Again you can be critical of black people without being racist, but when you refer to them as thugs, an angry black guy, Barrack the magic negro, etc. than that is racist.
No kidding?
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 11:24pm.
I just googled Herman Cain Uncle Tom and got about 35,900 hits. Who'da thunk?
And specific about GW's criticism's? Like you haven't heard any of that either?
I just googled Obama Uncle
Submitted by bob loblaw on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 11:34pm.
I just googled Obama Uncle Tom and got 850,000. Not all criticism of Obama are racists, so yes you will have to be specific. Just because you criticize Obama doesn't make you a racist, but when certain words are used it does.
Well that's not my point is it bob?
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 11:51pm.
My point is that the term "Uncle Tom" does have racial connotations does it not? And it is being applied to an African American, but one of a different political ideology. For some reason that is not called out and exposed by the media is it? And yet,any critique of Obama's policies is immediatly labeled racist by the left wing.
So who is name calling in this context , Bob?
Submitted by Red Jeep on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 11:24pm.
Who is saying those names Bob about Common being at the White House Bob? Hmmmm
Name names. Don't beat around the semantic bush.
loblaw is a---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 11:29pm.
dork.
There is no way anyone here is going to get through to him by asking common sense questions and expecting an intelligent reply or answer.
The man is a fool.
MD
Anyone has yet to explain how
Submitted by bob loblaw on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 11:35pm.
Anyone has yet to explain how Common is a thug.
As I said, loblaw---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 11:59pm.
it has been explained by more than one poster in more than one way; you just won't accept those explanations because they won't fit your template.
Which proves you are not only a fool; you are a close minded fool.
MD
no one has explained it to
Submitted by bob loblaw on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:11am.
no one has explained it to me. Trust me I am not the close minded fool on this site.
Trust you, loblaw?---
Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:27am.
That is probably the dumbest thing you have yet typed in an NB post.
And you have entered some dandies.
MD
You a fool!
Submitted by NL207 on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 1:53am.
Whodda thunk it?
From the online Merriam-Webster
Submitted by panzerakc on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:10am.
Some of the synonyms for thug are:
Bully, goon, hooligan, punk, roughneck, rowdy, ruffian, and hoodlum.
In my book, if you refer to women as "ho's", you're a thug.
Karl Rove, off the top of my
Submitted by bob loblaw on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 11:41pm.
Karl Rove, off the top of my head.
The only thing at the top of your head ...
Submitted by NL207 on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 1:46am.
is a sharp point.
Bob Dirtbreath ....
Submitted by NL207 on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 1:50am.
Common wrote this sorry piece of drivel :
"Whatup BITCH? I'm Petey Wheatstraw
And you don't stop, with the heidi heidi hoe
Hi hoe, or bye hoe, if you're lookin for a sucker
(What are you?) I'm just another motherfucker
Pucker your lips, do flips like Mary Lou
Just because I fucked you doesn't mean that I'ma marry you
Bury you, I will do, after, I bill you
Kill you, hoe, cause your shit smells like mildew
Pe-ew, think you need some soap and a rag
Or better yet Black, Flag, you scallywag
Tag, I didn't mean to diss dis... hoe butt
But you need to stay such, do not touch
Much disrespect goes out to you
And your parents, too, for havin you
Haven't you been introduced to a douche
I guess you said fuck footloose, and got pussyloose
No juice, you shoulda dried up, like a prune-a
Mister mechanic this place needs a tune up
For the pink cadillac cause it's block is off
And have more use, than a public park
for recreation, givin up the body is a hobby
I'm tellin Santa Claus you been naughty (sing it)
Hoe hoe hoe, Merry Christmas
Aiyyo JuJu, I just had to diss dis"
Of course he's not a thug, at least according to you. He simply advocates the abuse of women, that's all. Read some of the rest of his lyrics. Bigotted. Racist. Misogyny. No, he's not a thug, is he?
thug (thg)
n.
1. A cutthroat or ruffian; a hoodlum.
2. also Thug One of a band of professional assassins formerly active in northern India who worshiped Kali and offered their victims to her.
He is most certainly a ruffian. That makes him a thug.
Thanks NL207..
Submitted by ant on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 11:13am.
..for posting those lyrics. Now I see how Bob easily saw the similarities with Johnny Cash. (sarc).
And, Bob Laid Low.
Submitted by UpNorth on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 9:01pm.
S'up, Bob, no thoughts on those wonderfully insightful comments on society by Common?
Let's just call COMMON a
Submitted by Jack Bauer on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 5:16am.
Let's just call COMMON a racist then. You want proof of his thuggish racism? He's against a blacks dating whites, and one can infer from that he's against "mixed-race" marriages. I guess he would have disapproved of Obama's mom.
Gosh he would have fitted in so well segregated times. Though he's all for having "sex" with "whitey." Forced or not, he doesn't amplify.
http://eforum.reviewjournal.com/lv/showthread.php?s=ce3935e8e0cfc49409dd...
COMMON: Rastafarianism is a black culture. When you see dreadlocked dudes with white girls that’s like they going against what the dreadlock’s purpose was. The dreadlock was a symbol of black love and the black people gettin’ to a certain level. In America we’ve got a lot of dreadlocked dudes and all you see them with is white girls. I don’t think there’s anything the matter with somebody loving somebody from another race but it’s almost like a stereotype that if you’ve got dreadlocks you go out with a white girl. I just feel like, as black men, we do have to be aware that, yo, every time we step out with some woman it’s setting an example for our daughters and it’s also representing something for our mothers. If you can’t really love your own, how can you really love others?
TOUCH: So you don’t agree with mixed race relationships?
COMMON: I disagree with them. It's a lack of self-love. It's a problem.
TOUCH: Have you ever dated outside your race?
COMMON: Nah, not dated [giggles].
TOUCH: Have you slept with anybody outside your race?
COMMON: Yeah, I definitely have.
TOUCH: So sleeping with someone outside your race is OK but dating isn’t?
COMMON: People got their choice. I’m not telling them how to live their lives. I just tell them what I think about and what I feel about certain situations. Dealing with having sex with a white girl is something I have encountered and I’m not acting like white girls and other races are not people. We all people: children of God. But our race has been damaged. Sometimes to get back up to the level of respect and love, you’ve gotta stick with your own for a minute and build a certain amount of strength and community within yours so that other people can respect and honour your traditions.
All of the above Mr Obama? --- How about ALL OF THE BELOW, instead.
Difficult to tell what the real interview was
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 8:11am.
but this here sounds less edited:
Common Dispute
Words by Elle J Small
Musically gifted emcee Common speaks his mind, straight down the line. Music is a freedom of speech, but (as we discovered with the homophobic reggae lyrics versus pro gay campaigners scenario) that doesn’t mean we can’t question the reasoning behind certain philosophies. On the verge of his sixth album release, Common talks frankly to Touch.
TOUCH: There’s a lyric on the track ‘Heat’ from your ‘Like Water For Chocolate’ album: “State senators, life twirls, most sell out - like a dread with a white girl.” Explain…
COMMON: “Rastafarianism is a black culture. When you see dreadlocked dudes with white girls that’s like they going against what the dreadlock’s purpose was. The dreadlock was a symbol of black love and the black people gettin’ to a certain level… In America we’ve got a lot of dreadlocked dudes and all you see them with is white girls. I don’t think there’s anything the matter with somebody loving somebody from another race but it’s almost like a prototype that if you’ve got dreadlocks you go out with a white girl…I just feel like, as black men, we do have to be aware that, yo, every time we step out with some woman it’s setting an example for our daughters and it’s also representing something for our mothers. If you can’t really love your own, how can you really love others?”
T: So you don’t agree with mixed race relationships?
C: “I don’t disagree with them. It’s just I’ve been around black girls that say, ‘I only date white men.’ I’ve been around black dudes who I see only be with white girls. Is that a lack of self-love? To say ‘I only deal with these type of people’ has gotta be a problem.”
T: Have you ever dated outside your race?
C: “Nah, not dated .”
T: Have you slept with anybody outside your race?
C: “Yeah, I definitely have.”
T: So sleeping with someone outside your race is OK but dating isn’t?
C: “People got they choice. I’m not telling them how to live their lives. I just tell them what I think about and what I feel about certain situations… Dealing with having sex with a white girl is something I have encountered and I’m not acting like white girls and other races are not people. We all people: children of God. But our race has been damaged. Sometimes to get back up to the level of respect and love, you’ve gotta stick with your own for a minute and build a certain amount of strength and community within yours so that other people can respect and honour your traditions.”
T: How do you feel about a black person dating a mixed race person of black and white parentage?
C: “Ah man, if you’ve got one black parent and one white parent, then the majority of the time you considered black. People don’t look at Tiger Woods and see he’s mixed. They say he’s a black golfer, even if he say he’s something else... Look, I ain’t here to judge people’s relationships. I’m more about, ‘Hey black people, I see you out there talking about how you a Rastafarian, but you only wanna date white women.’ Is that what Rastafarianism is based on?”
T: Rastafarianism has different houses with different views. Though Rastafarianism is about celebrating who you are and where you’re from, isn’t it also about loving people regardless of creed or colour?
C: “I don’t know all the bases of Rastafarianism, but I know that it stems from Africa and Ethiopia and really came into fruition in Jamaica during the time that the blacks were being oppressed. It was about black people paying homage to their culture; embracing their culture. So when you embrace your culture and then say, ‘OK, but I’m only gonna date the opposite race’ -to me that’s a little opposite to what you’re projecting out through your hair and the way you looking. I know you don’t agree, but I’m glad that you bringing these things up. How do you feel, as a white lady?”
T: I absolutely loved your album ‘Like Water For Chocolate’, but that lyric pissed me off. I live in a very multicultural environment, maybe if I lived in America I would feel differently…
C: “Yeah, it definitely has something to do too with the way I was raised. I mean, not even from my parents, but from being in Chicago- a very segregated city. There is very much an enforcement of black culture where I grew up.”
***
Common boards his plane. We agree to disagree. I tell him I respect that he speaks his mind in music. Days later our conversation continues…
***
T: Last time we debated about mixed race relationships…
C: “It was good that we talked about that. I talked about it even more after I hung up. I was talking to my team about it and they had their own views. My whole thing is that black women have been so put down –whether it’s due to the oppression of a white government or we putting our own women down. When dudes say they only gonna focus on white girls, to me, it’s like a slap in a black girl’s face… What’s ironic is when you hear this song on my new album called ‘Real People’. It deals with something almost of the same nature. I say: ‘Black men walking with white girls on they arms. I be mad at ‘em as if I know they Mums. Told to go beyond the surface; a person’s a person. When we lessen our women our conditions seem to worsen.’… I’m glad we got to discuss this though…Ya know I still feel like because I’m an artist and I say certain things I have a responsibility to let people know what I mean. I can’t claim to be perfect. I’m working too to be a better guy.”
http://forum.dancehallreggae.com/showthread.php/61062-UK-rapper-calls-co...
But neither your source nor my source are first hand.
Still sounds the same to me
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 8:24am.
You put those same words in the mouth of a white person and the cry of racism would be screeched long and loud.
If you don't see a difference
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 8:34am.
between "I disagree with them." and "I don't disagree with them." then that is your opinion. That this topic is handled differently by different racial, social and/or religious groups is another matter.
trog
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 8:53am.
Hmm. I couldn't find where you said you agreed or disagreed on this thread. But I wasn't arguing your thoughts here. My point was that even with the longer posting, I, personally, still feel Common's speech was racist. One of the ways I measure this is to put those words in the mouth of someone of a different race and see how it sounds.
If that was the point of your first sentence. Otherwise it's to early in the morning for one of us and that person might just be me.
He says right out he's
Submitted by Jack Bauer on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 8:55am.
He says right out he's against blacks dating whites.
There's something wrong with you. Maybe it's your reading comprehension.
All of the above Mr Obama? --- How about ALL OF THE BELOW, instead.
Pretzel Logic
Submitted by Red Jeep on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 9:05am.
T: Have you slept with anybody outside your race?
C: “Yeah, I definitely have.”
T: So sleeping with someone outside your race is OK but dating isn’t?
??? How do you do that? Pay a prostitute? Excuse me, a ho?
Johnny Cash
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 10:52pm.
My familiarity with Cash is on a very superficial level, but from what I've heard, he doesn't celebrate the criminal life or criminal acts. I believe he talks about serving time for his criminal acts, I'm unaware of Cash saying it was great or justified to commit a crime.
Also, he NEVER celebrated drug use. It was not glorified by him, it was something he struggled with for many years.
"Barack the magic
Submitted by Jack Bauer on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 5:07am.
"Barack the magic negro..."
Of course it was a BLACK man, David El-somethingorother, a "writer" for the LA Times, who first coined Barack Obama as a "magic negro" when it was a common criticism amongst MANY African-Americans that Obama was not BLACK ENOUGH.
One of the leading instigators of that charge was the delightful Al Sharpton.
It was this odd behavior that was the genesis of the Rush Limbaugh parody song of Sharpton singing about Barack the magic negro.
But you knew that, right? As you also know that the term "magic negro" is a derogatory term used solely by blacks to denigrate an black person who is considered non-threatening" to whitey.
Nothing racist there, eh? Being called "too white."
All of the above Mr Obama? --- How about ALL OF THE BELOW, instead.
Ok, more crap!
Submitted by ironhead4099 on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 10:03pm.
Well I know this clown won't see this, buy most of the people I know could care less about Obie's race. If your policies are WRONG, their just WRONG, if your white, black, or purple, makes no difference! What an asswipe!
Maybe Michael Richards can
Submitted by RR GOP on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 10:57pm.
Maybe Michael Richards can get a gig at a GOP fundraiser....I'd laugh my a$$ off at the Libs and racemen hyperventilating over that!
"Under Capitalism, man exploits man. Under Communism it's just the opposite."
"All that Communism needs to make it successful is for someone to feed and clothe it."
I said something last year I wouldn't have three years ago
Submitted by gwalt on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 7:07am.
We have a black House Rep, who is a vile racist who shall remain nameless, that when my neighbor praised what a great guy he was and a "rock star", I simply told him that I could never support a man who called me a racist every time I opposed a piece of legislation he supported.
My neighbor looked at me stunned. I never would have made such a statement if it wasn't for Brock Sotero in the WH. Three years of being called a racist will do that to you.
"A lot of briefing for a 2 hr. special with Dan Rather. Saw the show & wonder why we bothered". Ronald Reagan
This is what being
Submitted by jessieH on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 11:14am.
This is what being "politically correct" gets you. An incompetent President, a corrupt Congress and a treasonous news program.
Trash comes in all colors!
Submitted by Patriot II on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 11:14am.
This one happens to be black....! And....Don Lemon....what an appropriate name "lemon", this racist a.h............I am sick of these pitiful embeciles calling everyone racist that doesn't buy their communist bull shyt! NO ONE is more racist that blacks, unless of course you add mexicans, who by the way can't stand blacks.....you two fight it out and leave the rest of us alone....I for one am sick of hearing your lame crap!!!
Of COURSE!
Submitted by almostacowboy on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:36pm.
"WE" all know that "cop-killer" is "code" for the "N" word.
I wish I knew what this "code" is that the left is always talking about. They must have a secret code. ;-)
Don Lemon has officially announced he is Gay! Woo hoo!
Submitted by Red Jeep on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 1:07pm.
I don't care if he is a homo. Does that me a racist?