Chris Matthews Asks Conservative Guest 'What Do You Think, I'm On The Far Left?'
MSNBC's Chris Matthews has on numerous occasions said he's a liberal while also having gotten a thrill up his leg on national televisionwhen presidential candidate Barack Obama spoke back in 2008.
Despite this, on Wednesday's "Hardball," he asked the Wall Street Journal's Stephen Moore, "What do you think, I'm on the far left?" (video follows with transcript and commentary):
CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST: Steve and Christian, there’s two extreme views, and I know this will bother both of you, there’s two extreme views. One is the very right libertarian view. It’s the Ayn Rand view. And I love "The Fountainhead." I didn’t like the other one so much.
STEPHEN MOORE, WALL STREET JOURNAL: I just saw “Atlas Shrugged” last night.
MATTHEWS: OK. I know. Well, let’s watch a scene here from a movie, because they believe that the top guy, the geniuses, the entrepreneurs, the Bill Gateses create all the wealth and everybody else gets a job. The Marxists used to argue, all wealth comes from sweat labor, actually going into the factory, putting things together, that sweat…
MOORE: You don’t believe in that.
MATTHEWS: Well, I’m not arguing -- what do you think, I’m on the far-left? When did that start?
Well, any man that admits on national television that he gets a thrill up his leg when a far-left presidential candidate speaks shouldn't be surprised by folks thinking he's similarly so.
(H/T RCP)
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Comments
Question
Submitted by Bill Brasky on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 8:24pm.
Who exactly is further left than Matthews?
Joseph Stalin
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 8:32pm.
Maybe.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Stalin was International, then Shifted into "Socialism for One
Submitted by daveinboca on Fri, 04/15/2011 - 5:54am.
Country." Hitler STARTED OUT with socialism in one country, then tried to internationalize Germany!!! I'd say Tingles is Mussolini, a socialist who wanted the trains to run on time, but was a bully and a coward when push came to shove.
Off topic, but Moore always has that silly grin on his face, even though he's always the smartest guy on any panel. Does the Wall Street Journal MANDATE that their on-air reporting staff come across as nerds?
Who do you think
Submitted by JoiseyJ on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 9:44pm.
Our President
I would have to say....
Submitted by almostacowboy on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 1:08pm.
Michael Moore, Sean Penn and Danny Glover. At least Tingles hasn't (openly) advocated for or visited Hugo Chavez and Castro.
Question
Submitted by Bill Brasky on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 8:25pm.
Who exactly is further left than Matthews?
Most libs
Submitted by FastEd on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 8:30pm.
and the rest of the demolib party.
"We the People . . " Hey, congress - I'm one of the people - start listening!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Sorry Noel Sheppard, but I
Submitted by Reflect on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 8:29pm.
Sorry Noel Sheppard, but I don't find this entry particularly compelling. For one thing, not all liberals are automatically far-left. That's like saying all conservatives are far-right. It just isn't true, and to say so is too simplistic. Sure, Matthews showed he's liberal when he said he got that thrill up his leg, but that doesn't mean he's far-left, or Marxist (as was the insinuation in this particular clip). To combine the two together is just lazy media criticism, in my opinion.
A more effective way to cite liberal bias in the mainstream media would be to continue showing more examples of Matthews being liberal. This entry just makes Newsbusters look simple-minded and unable to see any nuance in the political spectrum.
and you've seen his show?
Submitted by FastEd on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 8:33pm.
To para phrase Dan Rather - "if it looks like lib, talks like a lib, get's thrills like a lib - it's gotta be . . ."
"We the People . . " Hey, congress - I'm one of the people - start listening!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
How about you actually watch a week of 'Hardball',
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 8:34pm.
and then report back on the 5 minutes that are not far left hysteria.
SOL
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 8:41pm.
Those 5 minutes you mention, are you sure they aren't commercials?
Gee, thanks for springing my trapline, Rad!
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 8:59pm.
;)
That's it, Noel, go to your room!
Submitted by motherbelt on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 8:39pm.
And don't come out until you're ready to post something compelling!!
Reject,
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 8:59pm.
You are accusing one of the best contributers here of being simple minded.
Clearly you are unaware of Noel's work here (as well as in some other places) that goes back over five years, and that did much to pretty well shred, chop, and dice the hopes and dreams of the global commie pukes in their quest for a global communist sh*t-hole via the Global Warming hoax..
And that is not to diminish the fairly wide grip he has on a wide range of other subjects, as well.
LOL - But what would we expect from someone with a 22 week account history and a total of six posts to date.
As you are clearly a plant, if not a recycled troll, be sure and steer clear of The Vet, as he is agent orange now when it comes to foul foliage such as you.
As for me, I still use trolls for target practice, but I am rather busy these days saving what little is left of my family's resources from the former commoonity pisser-offer.
See 'ya round the threads.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Whoa buddy, settle down. All
Submitted by Reflect on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 9:03pm.
Whoa buddy, settle down. All I did was criticize Sheppard's one post, not his entire career. I am no troll, just speaking my mind. No need to bring out the agent orange.
So let me get this straight, the longer you've been a registered member of newsbusters, the more correct you comments are? That makes a lot of sense. For your information, I've been reading newsbusters for years, but only recently decided to register an account, as if that makes any difference.
Well if you have been reading for years,
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 9:09pm.
Then you should understand why we like to preemptively smoke out the rift-raft.
Carry on
You know what, I take it all
Submitted by Reflect on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 9:13pm.
You know what, I take it all back. It's people like YOU who make Newsbusters look bad. You can't even tolerate a little disagreement. This is the comments section, not the "praise only" section. If what I"m saying is so crazy, just prove me wrong instead of threatening me.
I detect a sockpuppet here...
Submitted by MightyMouth on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 9:16pm.
I detect a sockpuppet here...
Threat?
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 9:48pm.
Where? Further more, I never even commented on your post.
Sorry I got you confused with
Submitted by Reflect on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 9:55pm.
Sorry I got you confused with the agent orange guy, honest mistake.
Reject, Why would we bother to prove you wrong...
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:31pm.
...when you have done such a bang-up job of doing that all by your lonesome.
BTW: YOU are the one who popped in here accusing Noel of being "simple minded," which is the typical MO of shallow-minded, one-dimensional thinking lefties, most of which couldn't explain the geometrical properties of a linear street crossing, much less the physics of your basic fly swatter.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Yes I admitted to a mistake,
Submitted by Reflect on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:52pm.
Yes I admitted to a mistake, like a big boy. That comment was meant for you, sorry about the mix up.
I'd love to see you describe the physics of a fly swatter, I sure's hell can't. Physics is tricky stuff.
Yeah, it's "YOU PEOPLE"! "YOU
Submitted by bretzysdude on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 6:48am.
Yeah, it's "YOU PEOPLE"! "YOU PEOPLE!"
People like us, huh? You gonna call us racists now?
Oh get off it. I said "people
Submitted by Reflect on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 11:29am.
Oh get off it. I said "people like you" not "you people". I was addressing the guy running on about agent orange, yeah I'd say people who grumble like that without really addressing my argument do make Newsbusters look bad. I do appreciate those who disagree with me and give actual reasons. The name callers I can do without.
I'm not calling anybody racist, where exactly did that idea come from?
Oh, puhleeze...
Submitted by bretzysdude on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:26pm.
"People like you" "you people", it comes from the same vein of stereotyping and generalizing. Why not take that even further? What's stopping you?
No one is saying you can't
Submitted by motherbelt on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 9:40pm.
No one is saying you can't disagree with a posting. We're saying it's classless to jump in and criticize the post itself by making a judgment about how interesting or "compelling" it is.
You could have disagreed with everything about the post, without accusing Noel of "lazy journalism."
A more effective way to cite liberal bias in the mainstream media would be to continue showing more examples of Matthews being liberal.
I have a standard bit of advice for those who want to tell NB staff what they should or shouldn't be doing.
If you want to be the boss of how things get done, get your own blog.
I did not say "lazy
Submitted by Reflect on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 9:45pm.
I did not say "lazy journalism", I said "lazy media criticism". Your misquote just now would be an example of lazy journalism. And I really think the comments section is for opinions, which I said this was.
If it's classless to disagree with a post, then I"m guilty. What I'm getting at here is that I think Newsbusters would have a wider appeal, instead of just preaching to the choir, if it didn't have posts like this particular one, which just lump all liberals together.
And your quotes would just be
Submitted by bretzysdude on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 6:51am.
And your quotes would just be an example of TROLL!
To paraphrase Levin, get off the web, you big DOPE!
Oh, and by the way, not
Submitted by bretzysdude on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 6:51am.
Oh, and by the way, not expressing OPINION, expressing FACT!
I apologize for the misquote,
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:08pm.
I apologize for the misquote, and stand corrected.
What I'm getting at here is that I think Newsbusters would have a wider appeal, instead of just preaching to the choir, if it didn't have posts like this particular one, which just lump all liberals together.
I'm not sure about Newsbusters wanting to have "wider appeal." And I still fail to see where Noel was (paraphrasing you) "lumping all liberals together."
You might want to go and re-read your initial comment.
For one thing, not all liberals are automatically far-left. That's like saying all conservatives are far-right. It just isn't true, and to say so is too simplistic.
And this::
If it's classless to disagree with a post, then I"m guilty. What I'm getting at here is that I think Newsbusters would have a wider appeal, instead of just preaching to the choir, if it didn't have posts like this particular one, which just lump all liberals together.
I said from the beginning you have a right to disagree with any post. What I said was "classless" was to take it upon yourself to decide that that posting shouldn't be here because it is Noel's blog and he can write about whatever he wants. If I misunderstood you, I apologize.
Nowhere did Noel say Matthews was far left. He said Obama was.
What he said was: Well, any man that admits on national television that he gets a thrill up his leg when a far-left presidential candidate speaks shouldn't be surprised by folks thinking he's similarly so.
He was talking specifically about Matthews. You are the one who extrapolated that to include all liberals, which Noel never did.
And before you argue that Obama, like Matthews, is not necessarily "far left" because he is a liberal, remember that Senator Obama was rated THE most liberal member of the Senate.
I would say that's "far-left."
Fair enough, and no hard
Submitted by Reflect on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 2:20pm.
Fair enough, and no hard feelings.
Here's some better advice: if
Submitted by Reflect on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:54pm.
Here's some better advice: if you can't take criticism, don't have a comments section, or screen the posts before they go public so only the choir can be heard.
so saying "people like YOU"
Submitted by bretzysdude on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 6:53am.
so saying "people like YOU" is a healhy way to take criticism. Gotcha. Hope to not see you around.
"For one thing, not all
Submitted by MightyMouth on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 9:07pm.
"For one thing, not all liberals are automatically far-left"
What planet are you living on?
"A more effective way to cite liberal bias in the mainstream media would be to continue showing more examples of Matthews being liberal"
You have got to be kidding me? New to Newsbusters are ya? There are friggin' jiggawatts of evidence on NB that Matthews is far left!!
Planet Earth. No I'm not new
Submitted by Reflect on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 9:19pm.
Planet Earth.
No I'm not new to Newsbusters, I'm aware of the myriad Matthews posts. I just happen to take issue with this one.
Who is collecting tolls at
Submitted by Free Stinker on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 9:21pm.
Who is collecting tolls at your bridge while you're here ?
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
So you admit there are myriad
Submitted by MightyMouth on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 9:22pm.
So you admit there are myriad of Matthews posts showing he is far left, but not good enough, you need more? Ok, hang around for a couple of days... you will still remain unconvinced.
I'm really just taking issue
Submitted by Reflect on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 11:33am.
I'm really just taking issue with this particular post. I think it's just kinda sloppy, not too convincing. I'm saying NB should stick to more substantive examples of liberal media bias. I didn't condemn all Chris Matthews posts. I am no fan of Chris Matthews, and I readily concede, as he does, that he's a liberal of sorts. My whole issue was with this particular post, the way it was presented, I just didn't find it convincing.
Hey, I'm on Weight Watchers,
Submitted by bretzysdude on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:24pm.
Hey, I'm on Weight Watchers, you probably know this: how many calories do you burn for backpedaling?
MM,
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:01pm.
LOL - Did I do that?
What a sh*t storm I started.
Yet again.
:-)
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Trouble maker! :-)
Submitted by MightyMouth on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 10:11am.
Trouble maker! :-)
MM.
Submitted by Dave. on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 8:35pm.
LOL - Yeah, sometimes I jezz cain't hep m'sef.
;-)
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Look everyone! We have a new
Submitted by Free Stinker on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 9:21pm.
Look everyone! We have a new Troll to toy with!
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
Show me the dissension on the left
Submitted by rogue operator on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 11:07pm.
Explain to me please the burning issues that divide the political left. Political correctness brainwashing has got the left so lockstep it makes a Soviet parade look like Woodstock.
um.. nuance - code word for stupid I suppose.. ACA
Submitted by acaiguana on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 7:51am.
I'm going to have to check the blog during the day more often.
Mr. Reflect, if I may call you that, please reflect on this.
Your attempt to conflate a specific example of a far-left Liberal (Matthews if you don't get the reference) to all Liberals and to conflate the pointing out of Matthews as a Liberal with far-left tendencies as simple minded on the part of Noel and Newsbusters in general is a case of accusing us of:
Fallacy: Hasty Generalization
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Also Known as: Fallacy of Insufficient Statistics, Fallacy of Insufficient Sample, Leaping to A Conclusion, Hasty Induction.
Description of Hasty Generalization
This fallacy is committed when a person draws a conclusion about a population based on a sample that is not large enough. It has the following form:
Sample S, which is too small, is taken from population P.
Conclusion C is drawn about Population P based on S.
The person committing the fallacy is misusing the following type of reasoning, which is known variously as Inductive Generalization, Generalization, and Statistical Generalization:
X% of all observed A's are B''s.
Therefore X% of all A's are Bs.
This would be an interesting discussion if I felt you had the capacity to understand what you have done here.
You first accuse Noel of committing the above fallacy when he does not in fact commit this sin. He only says with respect to Matthews that the preponderance of evidence provided by the same Matthews is that he is in fact a far-left loon Liberal (My interpretation what Noel was pointing out, not Noel's) and then commit the exact same fallacy with respect to the whole of Newsbusters in your accusation of over-generalization by the posters towards all Liberals or all Conservatives.
There are probably as many different types of Liberals as Conservatives and both groups have their fair share of loons; but Liberals all appear to have the same flawed sense of reasoning that you demonstrate here.
ACA
...
Quoted from: 'Acaiguana notes from the Underground' (Soon to be at theaters near you)
spot on
Submitted by ladeflippinda on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 8:45am.
I have to agree with refect here. NB is guilty of this type of blog on many occasions. Just because someone is a liberal does not make them a Marxist. Nor does it make them a bad person.
How many so-called conservatives have been outed as gay, sex fiends or corrupt?
Please show me where Noel
Submitted by NC Cop on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 8:57am.
Please show me where Noel said he was a Marxist?
"How many so-called conservatives have been outed as gay, sex fiends or corrupt?"
What does this have to do with anything? Stay on topic, please.
Prissy Tingles not a Marxist???
Submitted by Dave. on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 8:37pm.
Are you not aware of the political philosophy that "modern" liberalism was built around?
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
What I'm taking issue with
Submitted by Reflect on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 8:41pm.
What I'm taking issue with here is not the idea that Matthews is a liberal, it's the way in which this post just sloshes all liberals together as far-left, like there's no nuance. As if everyone who was inspired by Obama and voted for him is a Marxist. That's just too simplistic a way of looking at it. Obviously not everyone who was thrilled by Obama and voted for him was a far-left liberal. Sure many of them were but not all of them. Do you see what I mean?
Reflect
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 8:44pm.
Matthews asked if his guest thought he was on the hard left. That's the irony.
I don't believe Noel refers to anyone being a liberal as being a hard leftist. Just Matthews.
Yeah but the whole point of
Submitted by Reflect on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 8:51pm.
Yeah but the whole point of Sheppard's post is that it's silly for Matthews to question the idea that he's far-left, not liberal.
If Matthews said "what do you think, I"m liberal?", THAT would be hypocritical, and a worthy Newsbuster's post, because he has said he's liberal before. Do you see the difference I'm getting at here?
Reflect
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 9:08pm.
No, I don't get your point at all. Matthews is
hard left. Not liberal. Hard. Left.
And again, this had nothing to do with all liberals, only Matthews.
Yeah but he voted for Bush,
Submitted by Reflect on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 9:21pm.
Yeah but he voted for Bush, os how is that hard left?
I don't know who Matthews voted for,
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 9:25pm.
but as has been mentioned, have you seen his show? I'm totally serious. I flip it on and off and I've never seen him play down the middle. Every clip I see he's attacking Republicans and pushing the idea of redistribution of wealth, abortion, and other hard left ideas.
Yeah but he voted for Bush...
Submitted by MightyMouth on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 9:35pm.
and you believe that? He worked for 4 democrats. So you believe something he said rather than something he actually did? No wonder this country is f'd up, with gullable voters like you!
MightyMouth---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 9:56pm.
Zackly right.
I do believe ol' Reflect done nuanced himself into a corner. :o)
MD
Are you saying that he's
Submitted by Reflect on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:14pm.
Are you saying that he's trying to throw everyone off by having said he voted for Bush, so people don't thin he's liberal? And then later on he admits to being liberal, and even considers running for office as a Democrat. So that was his fake out then? Pretty unique political strategy.
HOW DO YOU EVEN KNOW??? DO
Submitted by bretzysdude on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 6:55am.
HOW DO YOU EVEN KNOW??? DO YOU HAVE HIS VOTING RECORD???
You think we're idiots or something?
He voted for Bush? Which
Submitted by motherbelt on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 9:48pm.
He voted for Bush? Which Bush?
Bush 41 against Clinton?
W against Gore? W against Kerry?
Matthews worked for Democrats for 20 years! Then he suddenly turned and voted for Bush???
Was he on crack?
What was so unbelievably horrible about Clinton, Gore or Kerry that would have persuaded him to vote for either Bush????
That's a good question, I
Submitted by Reflect on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 9:58pm.
That's a good question, I don't know the answer. Oh and I was talking about Bush in 2000. All I know is I've never met a liberal who admitted to voting for Bush.
motherbelt...In the accounts I read [and linked here long ago]
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:27am.
he said he voted for GWB "once" but did not specify which time. I suspect it was 2000 because Matthews was a frequent critic of Clinton and Gore and personally praised Bush during that period of time.
Jer
Oh so he used a Diebold
Submitted by MightyMouth on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 10:21am.
Oh so he used a Diebold voting machine! That explains it Homer!
Who's talking about the average Joe liberal who was suckered
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 8:47pm.
into voting for Obama?
Noel's post was about a ridiculous question Tingles posed.
Surely you're not implying that he IS merely "nuanced"? Even his co-workers would disagree with that.
No I'm saying he's not
Submitted by Reflect on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 8:59pm.
No I'm saying he's not hard-left. A guy who was voted 2005's Misinformer of the Year by the Democratic Media Matters organization isn't exactly far left. Neither is someone who admitted to voting for Bush. What I'm saying is that the entire political spectrum is nuanced, not all liberals are hard left, not all conservatives are hard right. The implication of Sheppard's post is that it is ridiculous for Matthews to question the idea that he's far left. He's not. He's liberal. There's a difference. A nuance. See what I'm getting at?
Again, watch his show.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 9:04pm.
I don't care what MM voted him as 6 years ago.
He's been an off-the-rails lunatic for at least two years.
Excuse me?
Submitted by Tenebrous on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:10pm.
You can't be serious. To argue that Matthews is not a hard leftist based upon two data points, in contrast to his behavior for the past two years, is laughable.
Visions and Principles blog
Awww. it's cute how naive you are
Submitted by ckc1227 on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:41pm.
"Neither is someone who admitted to voting for Bush."
Do you believe in Santy Claus too? I'll let you in on a little secret....liberals lie. It's pretty much a requirement.
Matthews had little to gain
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 11:07pm.
Matthews had little to gain and more to lose by lying when claiming he voted for Bush. I haven't run across any statement of regret from him regarding that vote--although it's possibe he has apologized and I missed it. I rarely watch his show.
But I find it very plausible he voted for Bush [which he said he did in one election but not the other].
Jer
Well apparantly his "gain"
Submitted by MightyMouth on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 10:26am.
Well apparantly his "gain" was that he planted the idea in the minds of the gullable that he is somewhat non-partisan. Laughable I know, but at least 2 people on this thread fell for it!
What part of the Dem class
Submitted by robert108 on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 11:27pm.
What part of the Dem class warfare rhetoric isn't sourced in Marxist "class struggle" ideology? It's their main theme. That and forcible income redistribution...wait; that's part of Marxism as well, right?
Oops...you blew that one, potted plant
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:42am.
You openly yearned for "nuance".
EPIC FAIL.
Now run along, go sign up for a new user name, and try again in a couple of weeks. We understand. This seminar poster shit is difficult.
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And Blonde vanquishes another
Submitted by bretzysdude on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 6:56am.
And Blonde vanquishes another opponent!
I openly yearned for nuance?
Submitted by Reflect on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:37pm.
I openly yearned for nuance? That doesn't even make any sense. I said the political spectrum is nuanced, not simply far left or far right.
I'll stick to the same username thanks :)
And although it's not easy, I shall refrain from making blonde jokes...
Oh, please do,
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 1:04pm.
but give us some advance notice. Have to get the popcorn and pop, so we can watch Blonde hand you your head.
The tingler strikes again!
Submitted by Patriot II on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 8:43pm.
He is so freaking ringy, he hasn't a clue what the hell he is.......he IS still on TV thats what I can't figure out? Get rid of the embecile!!
Of course you could always
Submitted by Cloudfish on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 8:44pm.
Of course you could always call a spade a spade.....wait, that's supposedly racist now. How about calling a club a club....or does that make me a baby seal killer?
__________________________
“Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.” --Bastiat
MATTHEWS:
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 8:45pm.
Well, I’m not arguing -- what do you think, I’m on the hard left?
As we used to say when John Paul II was in Rome, is the Pope Polish?
Chris Dodd entered Congress Backing Pol Pot.
Submitted by Avitar on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 9:08pm.
Not Far Left, Fringe Left, Chris Mathews has to move far to the right to be only "Far Left." Insane Left or Looney Left. The Far Left supporters of Stalin are the troublesome Rinos of today. In a century of history as more socialist ideas have come to light that did not work the Looney Leftists have gone even furthher off edge than Stalin or Moa.
How does Chris Mathews feel about Chris Dodd? My general feeling was that he liked him. Yet Chris Dood entered Congress in 1975 as a big supporter of Pol Pot. It is one thing to through stupid economics to kill 5% of your population by mistake in the "Great Leap Forward" the way Moa did. Pol Pot beat one third of the population to death and is something more than "Far" Left, To support a supporter of that kind of person in Congress is a whole another animal than supporting Joe Stalin during WWII.
Yeah but he voted for Bush in
Submitted by Reflect on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 9:25pm.
Yeah but he voted for Bush in 2000, he admits this. So is he still fringe left?
Yes,
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 9:59pm.
He certainly did all he could to ridicule and undermine the Bush Admin. But I guess thats ok, if your a lefty who claims to have voted for him, right.
Wasnt Chrissy on of the dimwits claiming Bush stole the election? Do you, and Chrissy really expect us to believe he voted for Bush over Gore? He just did a special on the Clinton presidency,
Reflect, Chrissy Matt is a documented liar, do yourself a favor, take what he says as an ideological pivot.
Maybe he's slightly right of
Submitted by JoiseyJ on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:04pm.
......Al Gore.
Please, do you listen to what he says? How do you want to categorize him, as a centrist?
If Matthews is Fringe Left, Insane Left or Looney Left...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:30am.
where would you place, say, a Michael Moore, Bill Maher, or Mike Malloy? [Note to self: What's the deal with all of these letter M's?]
And, with respect to the ideological spectrum, who on the Right would you suggest mirrors Matthews' position on the Left?
Jer
edited to correct embarrassing typo in headline
Those others are drooling
Submitted by MightyMouth on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 10:50am.
Those others are drooling leftists.... Matthews is as you say merely fringe,insane,looney.
Oh wait, Matthews IS a DROOLER! ...nevermind.
And btw the right doesn't 'drool', so there is no counterpart. (except maybe Pat Buchanan or Joe Scaburogh)
The fringe, insane, loony stuff originated with Avitar...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 10:54am.
not me.
Jer
Leftists in the Media
Submitted by Comrade Jim on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 9:08pm.
Pretending to be fair and objective can never admit to being on the left.
Incoherent
Submitted by Chris Norman on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 9:54pm.
I honestly don't know exactly where Matthews is on the political spectrum because he has become so hyper-partisan and hysterical, any political thought he may possibly have are lost in his incoherent sputtering. He can no longer be taken seriously.
It pains me to see an intelligent guy like Stephen Moore appearing on this clown's show.
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Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:09pm.
Hi, Eugene.
Nice to see you traded your cacti plucking for a "respectable" line of work.
Did your local La Raza chapter get shut down or something?
LOL - And be careful where you point that thing, as somebody might get hurt.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Suggestion
Submitted by JoiseyJ on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:08pm.
Send it to Jimmy Carter. He's the biggest dick I know of. Or, maybe that Cousin Bill. Difficult decision. I'll have to come back to you.
Matthews Location
Submitted by Boil It Down on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:41pm.
I don't think Matthews is as far left as he is far out in the ozone mentally.
What's a Bonafide "Far Lefty"?
Submitted by rogue operator on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:58pm.
What does one have to do to be a card carrying member of the "far left"?
Did you have to:
Help bankrupt a nation and/or destroy its currency?
Mass murder at least ten thousand people?
Attend at least one global warming/International Socialists Organization conference in the last five years?
Shut Up, Chrissie, You Fey-Assed Freak
Submitted by rammingspeed on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 11:34pm.
Hammers and sickles to you, you commie pinko puke. (You can get 'em for half price at your local Wal Mart.)
Lefties Afraid of Atlas Shrugged
Submitted by rogue operator on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 11:44pm.
They haven't really gone into any serious mode ridiculing the flick, but this is a little jab meant to detract from its upcoming opening. I didn't see anyone else make the point, so just thought I'd throw that in the mix.
By the way, the last part is sure to be the best cinematically.
Matthews admits he analyzes politics from a Marxist perspe
Submitted by OxyCon on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 11:56pm.
Chris Matthews admits he analyzes politics from a Marxist perspective
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbwfq6-RTbQ
Re Matthews and Marx...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:20am.
[Note to self: Even MORE M's!]
Anyway, below is one of the recent comments to the youtube video which, imo, is a very sensible assessment:
I don't like Chris Matthews. However, the title of this video is misleading at best, or disingenuous at worst. A Marxist analysis of politics and history means that the subject is going to be analyzed in a scientific manner, primarily focusing on economics and its role on human behavior. It has nothing to do with Marxist political PHILOSOPHY. Who knows? Perhaps Matthews does support a Marxist political philosophy. If he does, however, he did not admit it in this video. Arvidiusdux 2 months ago
Jer
There's nothing "scientific" about Marxism
Submitted by rogue operator on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 1:22pm.
First of all, because it's not empirical. It begins with a premise of class exploitation and materialism, and molds facts to fit the marxist narrative. Anyone who has read Das Kapital can understand it is not an impartial, dispassionate work by any stretch of the imagination. Second, several aspects of Marxian economics have been disproven; namely, the Labor Theory of Value, which is the touchstone of all his economic "analysis." (Example of one application of his flawed theory, all profits are necessarily "exploitative.")
Reflect is
Submitted by JJoujan on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:32am.
Has anyone noticed how patient and courteous Reflect has been throughout all these posts while many of the rest of you are not? You keep missing his oft stated point, which has nothing to do with liberal vs conservative, BTW. This is the reason I rarely comment here - few of you are any more civilized than your scorned liberals.
Oh swell....another potted plant
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:45am.
We've been overrun by them lately.
Barry & The Minions and the Overdrive Band!
Coming to a Theatre Near You in 2012!
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
JJoujan---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 1:40am.
Hideous, ain't it?
You did omit brave, trustworthy, caring, and super wonderful in your reflections on ol' Reflect, though.
Shame on you.
Hope you didn't suffer irreparable damage to your retinas perusing all these horrendous counter posts that so unfairly lashed out at one of the latest, yet most noble, of trolls.
MD
What I have noticed, duhmmy, is your account was activated...
Submitted by Dave. on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 4:27am.
...21 weeks ago, and you have less than two pages worth of posts, and now you are defending a Reject of a dumbass.
Are you two perhaps sharing the same bong water?
Are you perchance sharing something more?
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
What's up with your obsession
Submitted by Reflect on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 11:48am.
What's up with your obsession with posting history? Do you really think that the more you have posted, the more valid your arguments are? When raise this idea, and ramble about agent orange our of nowhere, it almost makes me wonder if you're actually the plant here, trying to make newsbusters posters look like belligerents.
You're accusing HIM as a
Submitted by bretzysdude on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:29pm.
You're accusing HIM as a plant? SERIOUSLY? I've seen this guy post for years. YOU, on the other hand...
and really, you were so freaking quick to come to your friend's defense. You either share the same numbers, or are just had to e-mail each other. Don't think we're not onto your games.
I'm not emailing anybody, I
Submitted by Reflect on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:45pm.
I'm not emailing anybody, I just saw him launch the same completely hollow critique at someone else as he did at me. Doesn't take any email coordination to figure that out.
You're imagining something like this right?
"Hey buddy, I'm going to tell these NB diehards what's what, keep en eye out for my post! I got your back comrade!"
Gimmie a break. I'm the one who's outnumbered here.
But I'm not planted here by anyone, I just felt like expressing my opinion. I'l think twice next time, this is exhausting!
~Hi
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:56pm.
Check your e-mail.
Missed it!
Submitted by m1xram on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 5:34am.
I can't believe everyone missed it. The question was rhetorical. LOL
The opposite of Left is Freedom.
"Do you think I'm on the far
Submitted by bretzysdude on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 6:45am.
"Do you think I'm on the far left?"
What, does a bear whiz in the woods? Is the Pope Catholic?
Far left what Chris
Submitted by ohio granny on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 9:21am.
Obama pimp is what. Nough said.
Did he get leg tingly over W?
Submitted by Tomorama on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 9:51am.
On the far, far left there is Michael Moore, Bill Maher and Joyless Behar to name a few.
Matthews is just on the far left (only one far).
He however LIES like his hero Obambi when he says his show is "non-partisan".
Every question and angle STARTS from the leftist view and IF there is a right leaning guest, they have to prove his theory wrong in between being interupted with spittle over and over and over again.
Is that OK Jer and "Reject"?
He is no better than Hannity in that aspect, but Hannity admits what he is and doesn't try to hide it like this gutless liar.
I voted for Stephen Lynch (one of the few good Democrats in this state of Mass), does that make me a moderate or maybe gasp a DEM in spite of my posted words and views for well over a year?
Nope, I ams what I ams...................................
I don't know why he would say he voted for Bush if he didn't, does he actually say W?
Tomorama..
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 10:13am.
If you can handle a short visit to the MediaMatters website, here is a transcript excerpt featuring Matthews and Coulter and some pretty tingly comments about the then CIC.
BTW...My guess is that Matthews is claiming non-partisanship in the same sense that O'Reilly does--that there are guests from both sides of the ideological coin. But a difference in the two commentators is while Matthews admits to being liberal, BOR absurdly insists he is neutral.
Jer
Nope Jer, not even close
Submitted by Tomorama on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 11:36am.
Put it like this Jer, I don't consider myself far right as I disagree with the "far right" on some of their supposed core issues (off the top of my pointy head, I believe in Stem cell research totally), but I find myself disagreeing with O'Reilly on many occasions as he spouts some very, very, very moderate views.
I see what you are trying to do and it is a faulty argument, there is NO way O'Reilly is as Conservative as Matthews is a Liberal.
O'Reilly is a moderate who leans right, IMHO.
Matthews IS a liberal who leans left on just about everything IMHO.
Using the amount of guest is also faulty as AGAIN, O'Reilly has far more Liberals on than Matthews has Conservatives, far more.
I used Hannity as the perfect example, he admits what he is and most every question comes from a right angle just the same way most if not every question from Matthews is from the left.
Non-partisan my ass.
NOPE, NOPE, NOPE.
We're getting bogged down in semantics, Tomorama...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:35pm.
but are you saying that Matthews has explicitly stated that he personally is non-partisan, as opposed to his show being non-partisan or as an observation that we're non-partisan [where "we're" obviously refers to Hardball's format rather than his own inclinations]?
I just find it hard to believe he has asserted that he is politically non-partisan. If he has, he's not being truthful. Do you have a source?
Maybe BOR has moderated in the past couple of years during which time I haven't tuned in so much. But in the previous eight or nine years when I watched the Factor very regularly he was solidly and indisputably conservative--despite his insistence to the contrary.
Jer
Time for a Biden Jer
Submitted by Tomorama on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 2:28pm.
You are half right Jer, YOU are getting bogged down in semantics.
Matthews CLEARLY stated HIS show was non-partisan and it is far from it.
99 percent of questions and angles asked and wondered about by him are from how the left is the correct view and IF there is a right minded thinker................ they are forced in between spittle and interruptions to explain why matthews is wrong.
Off the top of my head, a RECENT O'Reilly segment he smacked down the birther and other questions by being straight down the middle, just the facts ma'am.
The next time Matthews has a Conservative SIT IN for him, then we can debate HIS show being non-partisan.
The lovely Kirsten, Juan and I believe Beckel have all sat in for O'Reilly.
Then maybe BOR has changed, Tomorama...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 3:28pm.
Because the way you describe the Hardball format is precisely the way O'Reilly conducted his show for the 8-9 years I was tuning him in virtually every night. His claim of ideological neutrality was such a flagrant and laughable lie that I started keeping a journal documenting that pathetic charlatan's naked partisanship, misrepresentations and duplicity.
He had Juan Williams substitute 3-4 times in the first year or so I watched The Factor, and then I never saw another lib sub host for the next six or seven years. When I joined NB, I had less respect for O'Reilly than anyone else I had ever read or watched in the history of the print or broadcast news media.
I finally weaned myself off of O'Reilly a couple of years ago. Maybe I'll give him another chance.
Jer
Don't mind me... I'm just a dumb... Oh, you know....
Submitted by DumbCanuck on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 9:54am.
Couldn't help but say something about Reflect. HOW DO YOU GUYS FIGURE OUT WHO IS AND WHO ISN'T?
To someone like me, he was trying to be reasonable in presenting a point of view. I mean, I THINK I KINDA GET what he's TRYING to say... I guess...
So what am I missing here?
@Reflect: I think you deserve some sort of a badge of honour for standing up to Blonde, Dave, Motherbelt, and some of the others. These people have been bouncing trolls for quite a long time now... I'd hate to be in their cross-hairs, but you stood your ground quite admirably, I suppose.
But make no mistake, Reflect, I refer to Matthews as "Chrissy Tingles" for a very good reason! I know he was in MM's doghouse back in '05, and that he SAYS he voted for GWB, but that doesn't take away from the stuff I've been reading about him just in the last 2 years. Tingles is hardcore. Let's be clear on that point at least. If he ever was a "conservative" at one time, then that would make him a sell-out, and I have no respect for people who changes their views just to be "in" with the popular crowd at the cafeteria table. (sort of like the loner in high-school)
To the others, well c'mon guys... doesn't Reflect measure up at least a little? Reflect didn't cut and run like the other bridge-dwellers, but stayed, defended his opinion and fought the good fight. But then, what do I know? I'm just a...
"There... Are... Four... Lights!"
Couple of quick points, DumbCanuck...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 10:22am.
Matthews has never suggested he was or is a conservative. He did however, say a lot of nice things about Bush, defended him on many occasions, and the evidence is overwhelming that he voted for him, most likely in 2000.
That said, he does seem to have become more stridently partisan in the past couple of years. But FAR left?....Nah.
Jer
→ Not only that, Jer
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 10:27am.
But during the investigation of the Clinton White House, he was actually a very good analyst.
Both he and Arianna Huffington seemed to be more right than left back then.
Cool...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 10:49am.
I'm sure all of those who have been around here long enough are sick of me repeating this, but, damn the torpedoes, here I go again:
The Clintons were not the media darlings back then that they later became--although the 'right' insists otherwise. Sally Quinn said the Washington press corps--or at least those on the Georgetown cocktail party circuit--viewed them as just a couple of hicks from Arkansas.
And, remember, Arianna was the one who broke the Arlington Cemetery "scandal" during the Clinton presidency which resulted in poor Larry what's his name having his remains dug up and replanted.
Jer
A few views I get, but..................
Submitted by Tomorama on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 11:40am.
Zsa Zsa and Special Ed supposedly used to be very Conservative.......................
Now they are left of left.
HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN, not on a few issues, but on EVERYTHING?
Political expedience or in this case political "mouthpiece job" expedience?
Tomorama...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:37pm.
I don't know. Ask David Horowitz, who flipped in the opposite direction (as have many others).
Jer
Natural maturation
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 2:29pm.
The natural order of things is for youngsters to envision a society in which all their needs are met (for them).
Fair enough. I'm actually not
Submitted by Reflect on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 10:55am.
Fair enough. I'm actually not even taking issue with the idea that Matthews is liberal. All the stuff he's said & done in the last two years to make him look hardcore left, well that's what I'm saying should be the content of Newsbusters posts, not this particular video though. I just think this particular post is a weak one. That was kinda my whole point. Thanks for giving me a little credit though. I'd actually love to have a discussion about all this. I'm sick of all the little kid name calling, but what can you do?
Fair enough reflect
Submitted by Tomorama on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 11:45am.
Though I think you're point is murky at best, putting up a fight to buttress the point is welcomed at my house.............
I disagree with Jer, but I hear his his say and he hears mine.
Just hearing the same I AGREE I AGREE I AGREE all the time brings nothing to the "working cerebrum".
A little verklempt, discuss, discuss................................................
Again, how often do you
Submitted by bretzysdude on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:30pm.
Again, how often do you backpedal?
??????
Submitted by Tomorama on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 2:15pm.
Who?
Tomorama---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 04/15/2011 - 1:11am.
Looks like bretzy was referring to "Reflect" backing up; as "Reflect" is short for 'reflectors', those little light bouncers that warn oncoming traffic you are backing up in their direction.
MD
Tingles
Submitted by Jerry Mack on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 2:54pm.
Tingles obviously believes that he is perceived as far left. Why else would he ask the question?
Matthews is a political 'hack'. He used to be watchable,...
Submitted by jawebster1 on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 8:14pm.
but no more. He is so far to the left, he fits in well with the MESSNBC evening lineup. Since I don't watch MESSNBC, the reason I know he fits in well with those other far left loons is because I read Newsbusters and some of his and his fellow loons quotes are so outrageous for their stupidity that they sometimes make news on Fox News, a network that I do watch.
The worst of the baby boomer generation
Submitted by uhohshortsonthe... on Fri, 04/15/2011 - 7:17am.
is what Matthews is. He is about the same age as my boss, who did two tours in Vietnam with the USMC. At the same time Matthews was probably smoking weed and bad-mouthing everything having to do with government, while getting his retard-level economics degree, and draft deferrments (he later served in the Peace Corps, probably to avoid military service). He CLAIMS he voted for W in 2000.