Andrew Sullivan Schools Maher and Spitzer on Budget, ObamaCare and Paul Ryan
Bill Maher and Eliot Spitzer on Friday's "Real Time" not surprisingly attacked Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wisc.) for his 2012 budget proposal.
Showing glimpses of the conservative that used to occupy his body many years ago, the Atlantic’s Andrew Sullivan not only defended the Republican as deserving a lot of credit for his bold plan, but also exposed Maher and Spitzer as ignorant hypocrites when it comes to the nation's fiscal policy (video follows with partial transcript and commentary):
Maher began by once again presenting his silly budget picture of a plate of mashed potatoes, fried chicken, and macaroni and cheese representing Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, and defense spending respectively,
The “Real Time” host then claimed that Ryan’s budget proposal isn’t “courageous” because it doesn’t address defense and Social Security.
Spitzer of course agreed saying, “Paul Ryan is not some intellectual hero. He is taking the easy, cheap way out.”
The disgraced former governor continued, “First, he doesn’t balance the budget until 2040.”
The President’s proposal adds almost $10 trillion in debt in the next ten years, and Spitzer is complaining about a plan that will actually balance the budget at some point in the future. Maher not surprisingly agreed saying, “Brave would be attacking the fried chicken.”
Ironically, on Maher’s chart, Medicare and Medicaid are the fried chicken which Ryan’s plan addresses. The mashed potatoes are Social Security which Ryan chose to ignore.
Given what a dunce Maher is, we shouldn’t expect him to know what’s on his own budget chart. But Sullivan did notice this, and wonderfully said, “I’m sorry, Bill, but healthcare costs are the fried chicken.”
He continued, “You may disagree with his proposals, but he is the first Republican really in a very long to say, ‘Look, we’re going to have to do things that are going to hurt you. We’re going to have to tackle these big entitlement programs.’”
Sullivan really drove home the point for Maher and Spitzer saying, “And that’s much more I might add than President Obama has done. He has run away from his own debt commission.”
“Until the President leads,” continued Sullivan, “until the Democrats actually say how they will get rid of this debt, I think Ryan gets credit.”
True to form, Spitzer was unconvinced and later said, “He doesn’t even confront healthcare costs.”
Trying to get back into the game after having just been schooled, Maher interjected, “Wasn’t Obama’s healthcare plan, the idea to attack and solve the healthcare crisis, wasn’t that a braver way to get at our big problem of the debt and the deficit? That’s where all the fiscal problems are.”
Readers are reminded that Maher previously was complaining that Ryan’s proposal didn’t address Social Security. Alas, consistency has never been one of his strong suits.
Regardless, Sullivan didn’t skip a beat responding, “But the healthcare act only introduced, and I think very importantly, cost control pilot measures. These things may not work in the end.”
“Meanwhile,” he continued, “we have a staggering debt.”
Sullivan then made a comment that took both Maher and Spitzer by surprise: “You can’t raise taxes to end the debt. You’ve got to cut spending.”
He then asked the perfect question, “What would you cut, Eliot?”
Spitzer replied, “I would cut defense – I would get out of two wars. And, I would put back in the tax on the rich.”
Maher of course replied, “Right.”
But Sullivan correctly said, “Still won’t do it.”
Maher and Spitzer tried to fight this point with Sullivan, but in so doing, they showed themselves as being totally unknowledgeable about the budget.
Our total defense outlays are currently $750 billion. As CNNMoney.com reported back in December, the annual cost of extending the Bush tax cuts for folks making over $250,000 a year was roughly $41 billion.
As such, we could eliminate the Bush tax cuts for these people while slashing defense spending to zero and we’d still have over an $800 billion deficit.
But Maher and Spitzer’s hypocrisy didn’t end there, for a bit later in the program as the discussion moved to what is going on in Libya, the two of them defended Obama’s attacks.
As Sullivan pressed Spitzer about how far our foray into other countries’ military problems should go, the former governor made the case that we should always be willing to assist other nations with their humanitarian crises.
Sullivan marvelously noted, “But if you slash defense, you’re not going to have this capacity to go in helping everybody in the world.”
Indeed.
In the end, I'm not sure what got into Sullivan Friday, but for the first time in years, he was actually at different points in this program the voice of reason.
It would be nice if this wasn't just a flash in the pan...but don't count on it.
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Of utmost importance,,,
Submitted by brutony1 on Sat, 04/09/2011 - 3:28am.
Who was the woman in the video as the guest in-between Client #9 and long lost Republican Sullivan?
When will liberals WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE! -Me
Katty Kay, I think.
Submitted by Red Jeep on Sat, 04/09/2011 - 9:08am.
British MSM.
Hoo-ray for Kathy Kay!
Submitted by brutony1 on Sat, 04/09/2011 - 11:36am.
I noticed the gay Maher show kept on showing the men there and not her, nor did they put her name on screen. I wonder if "Mr Playboy Mansion" Maher and "Mr Client Number 9" Spitzer hit on her?
When will liberals WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE! -Me
Completely out of touch
Submitted by expatriot on Sat, 04/09/2011 - 5:50am.
The inside the beltway crowd just has no concept which is very, very scarey.
They really are that stupid.
Submitted by motherbelt on Sat, 04/09/2011 - 7:47am.
They really think "taxing the rich" and cutting defense is going to fix everything.
What they really want is for Ryan to slash SS and Medicare now, so they can bring back John Lewis' floor speech:
"They're coming for the children. They're coming for the poor. They're coming for the sick, the elderly, and the disabled."
motherbelt
Submitted by rockyracoon on Sun, 04/10/2011 - 5:43am.
They keep saying the same things over and over again, "cut defense," and "tax the rich." It appears that they think we're all too stupid to recognize that, those silly sound bites they use have been overused.
Facts are like kryptonite to the liberal.
Did I just hear client #9 say
Submitted by irishguy on Sat, 04/09/2011 - 8:22am.
Did I just hear client #9 say Afghanistan is the "wrong war"? I think he got his talking points mixed up. Dems always said Iran was the wrong war, which caused us to take our "eyes off the ball" in Afghanistan.
that caught my ear as well
Submitted by mom_rox on Sat, 04/09/2011 - 11:14am.
I guess I need a flowchart to keep up their positions. (for the war/against the war/for the war, etc.)
Cognitive dissonance on full display
Submitted by merly1 on Sat, 04/09/2011 - 10:18am.
"Spitzer replied, “I would cut defense – I would get out of two wars. And, I would put back in the tax on the rich.”
Maher of course replied, “Right.”............."
These comments are unbelievable!
Who bigtime escalated the afghanistan war? Started a 3rd war front in Libya? Who passed the continuation of all tax rates in December, 2010? Hint---> Owebomba, and his Dem Congress, ie 59 D Senators and 253 D Reps.....................................of course, that tiny Rebublican minority is to blame in the warped world of these talking heads, right,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Spitzer and Maher really are morons, but we already knew this, correct?
Every one acknowledges
Submitted by zenman1661 on Sat, 04/09/2011 - 10:24am.
Every one acknowledges that Social Security is easy to fix compared to Medicare. So it took far more courage and intelligence to tackle it then it would've for Social Security.
Client #9 Just wants to keep earning $$$$
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Sat, 04/09/2011 - 10:25am.
While he bitches about "THE RICH" having too much and needing to be more heavily taxed, he lies on National Cable for money and power. So who are the arrogant greedy selfish again?
Check out this calculation about "eat the rich" for some mathematics. Numbers don't lie, the people that use and abuse them lie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=661pi6K-8WQ
Liberals and Their Ideological Crap!
Submitted by gruyere cheese on Sat, 04/09/2011 - 10:26am.
The money is not there and so, how do you pay for it? If you are an intelligent person, you know that if you have to cut back on spending in your houselhold and make sacrificies to make it through, because the money is not there, you make a list of things you will have to do without at least temporarily so you can get back on your feet financially. Why is this methodology so difficult to understand for the Liberals? Is like telling a spoiled brat, you cannot have an Iphone, Ipad, Wifii this year, because putting food on the table and paying the mortgage is the priority for now. If this items are so necessary for you to have -- get a job -- mom and dad are not paying for it.
What would you cut?
Submitted by GregE on Sat, 04/09/2011 - 11:41am.
Spitzer replied, “I would cut defense – I would get out of two wars..."
And the crowd goes wild!
" I would get out of two wars..."
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Sat, 04/09/2011 - 10:15pm.
Funny how the libs think that the two wars that the fearless leader inherited are wrong and should be stopped but the one he started, is fine and dandy. Pay attention and note this. Whenever a lib is asked how to cut the budget, if their solution is military funding, it never includes defunding the Libya debacle.
The only transparency of this administration seems to be focused around their explicit displays of hypocrisy.
The bible was right..
Submitted by brutony1 on Sat, 04/09/2011 - 11:43am.
The meek are inheriting the earth-the meek, imbecilic Dems like Maher and Spitzer! Wow, not only are they obnoxious and wrong, but STUPID asses deluxe!
When will liberals WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE! -Me
Sorry
Submitted by Rukus on Sat, 04/09/2011 - 12:11pm.
I got as far as #9 then I upchucked my omlet. I got nothin'. : (
Yes, attack Paul Ryan and his plan
Submitted by krendler on Sat, 04/09/2011 - 1:05pm.
You know what's really staggering? When you compare someone as articulate and smart (an understatement) as Ryan to a sputtering, partisan ideologue like Harry Reid who can't seem to look anyone in the eye when he speaks and churns out nothing but worn-out, decades-old class warfare cliches day after day (just like Obama).
The contrast is there for the entire nation to see. Who do you want thinking through our problems and making decisions: A Paul Ryan (or Marco Rubio), or blithering idiots like Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.
Comfortable Position
Submitted by Dave81 on Sat, 04/09/2011 - 1:38pm.
Notice how easily the liberals offer solutions that nobody is ever going to do (at least never to the degree they call for):
- Cut defense spending
- Cut SS
- Take every last penny from the rich
- etc.
Even in Congress these clowns keep calling for these sorts of changes, but nobody has any real intention of doing it. Why? Because it won't work. So why do they keep calling for it? Because it SOUNDS GREAT! And people will keep supporting them for offering solutions instead of implementing them.
Here's an idea...if someone promises something that gets him elected and then makes no more effort to make it happen than standing at a podium shaking his fist, don't reelect him! He's obviously not serious about making it happen, it's just fodder to rally people behind him.
To Be Fair...
Submitted by Tenebrous on Sat, 04/09/2011 - 4:55pm.
...the people of NV didn't elect Harry Reid. Union ballot box-stuffing did.
Visions and Principles blog
Andrew
Submitted by Marsh on Sun, 04/10/2011 - 12:58am.
"In the end, I'm not sure what got into Sullivan Friday, but for the first time in years, he was actually at different points in this program the voice of reason. It would be nice if this wasn't just a lash in the pan...but don't count on it."
Andrew falls in and out of of love with politicians. Clinton, Bush and now apparently Obama.
Paul Ryan is into P90X .
I can foresee Andrew becoming smitten.