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Howard Dean Tells College Students Fox News Lies - Then Lies to Them Four Times

By Noel Sheppard | April 03, 2011 | 21:16

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The disgustingly sanctimonious Howard Dean gave a lecture at Carnegie Mellon University on March 24 wherein he once again attacked Fox News calling it a propagandist arm of the Republican Party that lies to the American people.

Ironically, during his one hour speech, the former Vermont governor committed some laughable whoppers of his own (multi-segment video follows with commentary, apologies in advance for problems in the original recording):

This first segment was the typical, run-of-the-mill nonsense from Dean about Hillary Clinton's vast right-wing conspiracy and how Rush Limbaugh is just today's Father Coughlin. 

Moments later, Dean went after Fox News saying that the difference between it and MSNBC isn't bias because all news outlets have some form of bias, which I agree with.

However, he then claimed, "What Fox News says is often not true, and they know it's not true and they say it anyway. It is not a news organization. It is a very expensive, incredibly well-funded, right-wing propaganda organization."

Dean continued to drive this point home claiming that the reason so many Fox viewers believed Saddam Hussein was involved in 9/11 was because "they were lied to every single day on virtually every program on Fox News."

To give his audience an idea of what he considers real news, Dean actually said CBS's Katie Couric is balanced.

And then the lies began.

"The top one percent of Americans owns twice as much as the percentage of America than they did 20 years ago, and that of course has to come from somebody else, and it comes from the people who aren't in the top one percent."

Nonsense. The reason people at the top have seen such huge wealth gains in the past 20 to 30 years is because of an increase in stock, commodity, and real estate prices. This is what they invest in, and those investments - despite several bubble bursts - have done extremely well.

It really is a disgusting myth foisted upon the society by America's liberals that the rich take from the poor. The rich don't think about how to get money from the poor because the poor don't have any money to take.

But Dean was just getting warmed up, for he next claimed Republicans controlled the House and the Senate for six years while George W. Bush was President.

I  guess Dean forgot that while he was governor of Vermont, a Republican Senator from his state by the name of Jim Jeffords defected from the GOP on May 24, 2001, giving the Democrats back the Senate.

As such, Republicans controlled both chambers of Congress less than 4 1/2 years while Bush was in the White House.

But why should the holier-than-thou Dean know what happened in his very state right under his very nose?

Next, he claimed that in 2008, more people under the age of 35 voted than over the age of 35.

Unbelievable nonsense. As you can see from the exit polls, 36 percent of voters that year were 39 and younger; 64 percent were 40 and older.

What Dean told these students wasn't even close to the truth.

But his biggest lie was still to come, as in the final segment of our video, Dean said, "Charter schools were a creation of the Right. Charter schools were created originally to maintain segregation in the South to avoid the anti-discrimination stuff that was coming out of the courts, and then to attack the teachers unions."

Really? Well, that's not the way Wikipedia records the history of charter schools:

The charter school idea in the United States was originated by Ray Budde, a professor at the University of Massachusetts Amherst and embraced by Albert Shanker, President of the American Federation of Teachers, in 1988 when he called for the reform of the public schools by establishing "charter schools" or "schools of choice". At the time, a few schools already existed that were not called charter schools but embodied some of their principles, such as H-B Woodlawn. As originally conceived, the ideal model of a charter school was as a legally and financially autonomous public school (without tuition, religious affiliation, or selective student admissions) that would operate much like a private business—free from many state laws and district regulations, and accountable more for student outcomes rather than for processes or inputs (such as Carnegie Units and teacher certification requirements).

Minnesota was the first state to pass a charter school law in 1991. California was second, in 1992. 

So, the concept was created by a Massachusetts professor and not in the South for racist reasons. As for the intent to attack the teachers' unions, the president of the AFT was involved.

Clearly, Dean just made this whole thing up.

In case you're wondering if Wikipedia got it right, here's what USCharterSchools.org claims is the history of such educational facilities:

The term "charter" may have originated in the 1970s when New England educator Ray Budde suggested that small groups of teachers be given contracts or "charters" by their local school boards to explore new approaches. Albert Shanker, former president of the AFT, then publicized the idea, suggesting that local boards could charter an entire school with union and teacher approval. In the late 1980s Philadelphia started a number of schools-within-schools and called them "charters." Some of them were schools of choice. The idea was further refined in Minnesota where charter schools were developed according to three basic values: opportunity, choice, and responsibility for results.

In 1991 Minnesota passed the first charter school law, with California following suit in 1992.

A 2005 New York Times piece about Budde also confirmed this:

Dr. Budde, a former assistant professor at the school of education at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, first suggested the term "charter" for use in education in the 1970's to describe a novel contracting arrangement designed to support the efforts of innovative teachers within the public school system. He long opposed the later idea that charter schools could be an alternative to public education.

The charter arrangement could result in a new type of school, Dr. Budde said, that would give teachers increased responsibility over curriculum and instruction in exchange for a greater degree of accountability for student achievement.

In 1988, Dr. Budde elaborated on the concept in a book, "Education by Charter: Restructuring School Districts" (Learning Innovations). Dr. Budde illustrated his points with a model school system that allowed groups of teachers to receive charters from the school board, granting them the authority to manage schools and try new educational approaches within the existing structure of their home districts.

As the charter school movement gained followers across the country and progressed, it expanded to include schools operating outside the mainstream public school administration.

As such, Dean was dead-wrong about charter schools originally being a racist idea that was also used to attack the teachers' unions.

Add it up, and in the course of only 60 minutes, Dean told at least four complete lies to this audience made up largely of college students.

And he's got the nerve to point fingers at Fox News.

For those interested, here's Dean's entire speech:

(H/T The Blaze)

*****Update: I received the following email message Monday from Eric Premack, the founder and Executive Director of the Charter Schools Development Center. Published with his permission:

Saw your post regarding Howard Dean's inaccurate comments regarding the origins of the charter schools concept in my press clippings this morning.

The historical background on the chartered schools concept is not well documented and the role of Albert Shanker and Ray Budde are a bit overstated.  Nonetheless, as one of the primary advocates of the chartered schools concept since its inception, I can attest to the fact that the concept has enjoyed broad, bipartisan support since the get-go.

Minnesota's charter law, the first in the nation in 1992, was authored by Ember Reichgott, a prominent Democratic state senator from suburban Minneapolis.  The second charter law, in California, was authored by Gary K. Hart (not to be confused with Colorado's Gary Hart), a Democrat who represented the Santa Barbara area.  In subsequent years, I worked closely with many other Democratic legislators and governors in states such as Colorado (Peggy Kearns and Roy Romer), Florida (Joe Tedder), New Jersey, Texas, Ohio, North Carolina, and in the District of Columbia who authored and championed the chartered schools concept.  During his presidency, Bill Clinton was a major booster of the chartered schools concept along with the centrist think-tank the Democratic Leadership Council.

Mr. Dean gets an "F" in history this week.

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The mellon heads should be used to being lied to by now

Submitted by Dave. on Sun, 04/03/2011 - 9:47pm.

...as their Marxist perfessers have been lying to them for years.

As for Howard Dean, I honestly believe that his staple gun is only about half loaded.

The man is nuts.

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Or how about this Dallas

Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Sun, 04/03/2011 - 9:48pm.

Or how about this Dallas Morning News briefing bold headline on 4/2/11 "Unemployment rate falls to 2-year low, experts say a hiring SURGE by America's largest companies could mark the turning point in job creation." Surge? Really? What if Bush were President? What would it say? Weak?

-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.

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My alma mater needs to bring in better speakers

Submitted by JeffC... on Sun, 04/03/2011 - 9:49pm.

Yes, I'm a Carnegie Mellon alum (engineering) and I'm embarrassed that my alma mater paid this asshat to speak on campus. Getting Algore to give the commencement address a few years ago was bad enough. I'd hope there would be enough "Smart People" left on campus to see through The Screamer's B.S., but who knows anymore. CMU is now just another elitist PC school with lower standards.

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Hmmm, Dean vs. Snookie

Submitted by Radical1979 on Sun, 04/03/2011 - 9:56pm.

At this rate I'm thinking my cockapoo would be a better speaker than either of these two college speakers. At least my cockapoo is a Therapy Dog and contributes to someone else's well being.

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Snookie is brighter

Submitted by merly1 on Sun, 04/03/2011 - 10:28pm.

Face it--->facts are not the friend of the libs! Gitmo, 3 wars, expensive gas, debt,deficit, oil leaks, 10% unemployment, etc etc The facts are the Dems are stinking it out............Forgive Fox for pointing that out ;o)

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Liberals Lie

Submitted by Bill Brasky on Sun, 04/03/2011 - 9:49pm.

I think even the biggest bed wetting liberals are embarrassed by Howard Dean. He's either mentally ill or on drugs or both.

"If you want to make a Conservative angry, tell him a lie. If you want to make a Liberal angry, tell him the truth." - Rush Limbaugh
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Fox Lies

Submitted by hbnolikeee on Sun, 04/03/2011 - 9:52pm.

The translation:

Fox is telling the truth and that means don't listen cause you will learn about how the administration and the liberals are destroying this country and playing dirty while doing so.

hbnolikeee
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Vast right wing conspiracy

Submitted by Radical1979 on Sun, 04/03/2011 - 10:00pm.

The reason HRC was laughed at for this was because she said it in reference to the Monica scandal. When it was really a vast Bill Clinton lack of self control.

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First of all Noel- I'll bet

Submitted by bkeyser on Sun, 04/03/2011 - 10:04pm.

First of all Noel- I'll bet you don't get too many takers on that 62-minute charade you embedded!

But more importantly... The "Fox Lies" meme is nothing more than an extension of the wildly popular liberal fantasy of "Bush Lied". Rarely does anyone present any actual evidence to support the claim, and what little they can muster about Fox is either reports that were later proven incorrect or incomplete, or statements from opinion journalists. It's a standard they wouldn't hold for MSNBC, CNN, or the NYT. This is the "Nah nah nah, I can't here you, nah nah nah" approach to dialogue, and Dean is one of the best at acting like a 6 year old.

I'd be ashamed; Dean makes a living at it.

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that progressive is

Submitted by scarletandgold on Sun, 04/03/2011 - 10:23pm.

that progressive is INSANE...he would have been in hitlers administration...insane

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Correction Noel....

Submitted by NeoKong on Sun, 04/03/2011 - 10:25pm.

"Dean actually said CBS's Katie Couric is balanced." THAT was when the lies began.

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NK

Submitted by Noel Sheppard on Sun, 04/03/2011 - 10:33pm.

NK,

That's not a bad point. :-) ns

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Actually the lies had already begun, before the Couric bit

Submitted by Gary Hall on Mon, 04/04/2011 - 3:53am.

  • However, he then claimed, "What Fox News says is often not true, and they know it's not true and they say it anyway. It is not a news organization. It is a very expensive, incredibly well-funded, right-wing propaganda organization."

"Often" is a big word in this context - I'd like to see Dean substantiate that. In comparison to MSNBC, I'd suggest that MSNBC is more on the side of saying what is not true more often than Fox News.

  • Dean continued to drive this point home claiming that the reason so many Fox viewers believed Saddam Hussein was involved in 9/11 was because "they were lied to every single day on virtually every program on Fox News."

Once again, "every single day," on "virtually ever program." Personally, I'd be hard pressed to remember Fox News ever actually presenting as a point of fact, that Saddam was involved in 9/11.  It's quite possible that some of their guests may have made the claim - it's possible that Fox reporters may have asked a guest if they believed that to be true, etc., but to suggest that Fox promoted that every single day, on virtually every program, is a bold lie.

The lies began long before the Couric connection.

Can Fox News sue Howard Dean for slander?

(;~/ gary

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The Truth

Submitted by Jerry Mack on Sun, 04/03/2011 - 10:33pm.

Most of these students do not have a clue a too what he was talking about. But many will leave beleiving that he told the truth. They will spread it as the gospel. When you or I were in college or high school we believed our instructers and the people brought in by them to be honest and trust worthy. One of the most difficult things is to un-learn something.

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They have ALL the Mainstream media

Submitted by cbeyer on Sun, 04/03/2011 - 10:36pm.

We have fox, talk radio. Give me a break. The total audience of liberal biased CBS, NBC, MSNBC, ABC, PBS, The NYT and the editorial pages of most major newpapers tilt to the left and overwhelm conservative voices in the media. 10-1 audience size. What MORE do they want?

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They're jealous of our higher

Submitted by Chris M-G on Mon, 04/04/2011 - 8:18am.

They're jealous of our higher viewerships, ie all of the Fox shows that are trouncing whole networks on their own.

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lies

Submitted by grammajane on Sun, 04/03/2011 - 10:43pm.

What a shame that parents have to pay for their kids to go to this university and have to listen to this undeucated fool lying about most everything. No wonder the education system in this country is hurting, What job does this buffoon hold , to be asked to speak at any gathering?

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40 grand

Submitted by JeffC... on Sun, 04/03/2011 - 10:47pm.

It's more than 40 grand a year there now. If you get what you pay for, I don't think anyone can afford the truth.

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So he mentions charter schools....

Submitted by GregE on Sun, 04/03/2011 - 10:43pm.

....were to maintain segregation. Then he mentioned that minimum wage was put in place to keep black people from taking jobs of white people.

....oh, he didn't mention that? My bad.

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Yes. The rich do get richer.

Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 04/03/2011 - 11:42pm.

It is called inheritance.

The poor pay 12.5% of the earnings of their paycheck their entire lives into Social Security. Should they drop dead at age 55 or 60 or 65. Whoops. Sorry offspring. Uncle Sam lucked out there. Hee Hee. Too bad.

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It's hard to believe this

Submitted by big.league.slider on Mon, 04/04/2011 - 12:54am.

It's hard to believe this feeble-minded dolt was actually allowed to practice medicine.

Apparently he doesn't realize how foolish he sounds with his comments about wealth and private property in the U.S. The Constitution is all about protection of freedom of the press (including Fox News) and private property rights (including the richest US citizens), and if he were elected president he would be sworn to uphold the protection of free speech and private property from just the type of government censorship and theft he is endorsing.

This looks bad for Carnegie Mellon since Dean's comments went unchallenged. I work with a MSEE from Princeton and I torture him relentlessly over that dimwit Krugman. I also work with a MSME from Carnegie Mellon. He seems like a bright young engineer, but I'll still use this to harangue him none the less.

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I Had...

Submitted by GeneralAl on Mon, 04/04/2011 - 6:05am.

"It's hard to believe this feeble-minded dolt was actually allowed to practice medicine."

I had the same thought as I read the lies of this Quack. Maybe someone should check his medical school credentials. "Me thinks thou does protest to much"!

"Old Soldiers never die, they just fade away"!

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Part Hack!!!!

Submitted by LaVallette on Mon, 04/04/2011 - 3:33am.

The only intelligent thing this party hack ever said was " AAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrghghgh"!

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Reminds me of

Submitted by Simplicity101 on Mon, 04/04/2011 - 4:20am.

Reminds me of a passage from The Lord of the Rings:

"You lie," said Wormtongue.

"That word comes too oft and easy from your lips," said Gandalf.

Those who say Fox News lies do so far too often...

Tu Ne Cede Malis
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Dean is a joke who tries to appear serious.

Submitted by Andrew H. on Mon, 04/04/2011 - 4:53am.

And a pitiful little socialist man, full of deceit, full of hate.

 

The so-called mainstream media is the propaganda arm of the criminal DNC.  

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Give us examples

Submitted by Ozconservative on Mon, 04/04/2011 - 7:18am.

I find it incredibly funny when libturds accuse Fox of lying, because they can never actually back up the accusation with something called proof. Yes Fox is biased to the right, but it is less biased to the right than what MSNBC is to the left. As for The Screamer, well lets just say he's not running on all eight cylinders.

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Liberals Are Simply Capitalists in Disguise

Submitted by gruyere cheese on Mon, 04/04/2011 - 7:38am.

These Dem air heads always blame Fox News for the missinformation that is being spread around the country when their party cannot give answers to simple logical questions. This is America not Venezuela; which means, we have the right to watch and listen to any program on the radio and TV without the government or politicians telling me that it is wrong for as long as it support their cause. Liberals masquerade as "we are for the people", in reality they are socialists in disguise. Think about it -- all networks CBS, CNN, MessNBC, and so on, critize Fox News...WHY? Because Fox News beats them on the ratings and that spells out MONEY.

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I think the word you're looking for is...

Submitted by DumbCanuck on Mon, 04/04/2011 - 8:02am.

In reference to Dean (and his fellow libs): ...is "hypocrite"

"There... Are... Four... Lights!"

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Facts? We don't need no stinkin' Facts!!

Submitted by acaiguana on Mon, 04/04/2011 - 7:57am.

The fact underlying the Liberal angst (something we often grow out and away from during the teenage years) is that the consumer (that would be we the great unwashed) can choose life by hitting the channel button when it comes to our news.

That would be freedom of choice and the competitive marketplace of ideas where we choose not to be lied to by people whom we find offensive to our intelligence.

Thank you Dr. Dean.

ACA

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Quoted from: 'Acaiguana notes from the Underground' (Soon to be at theaters near you)

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I can't take him

Submitted by astonrickenbach on Mon, 04/04/2011 - 8:52am.

I can't take him seriously after his "I have a scream" speech from a few years ago. I laugh every time I hear it.

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Did Dean offer an example or two of . . .

Submitted by Galvanic on Mon, 04/04/2011 - 8:59am.

. . . lies from Fox News?

"Lies" is just another word Democrats are instructed to throw around, like "extreme" (See Sen. Schumer).   They all use it, and the MSM parrots it.  Dean himself is no paragon of truth, as NB has documented throughout the years.

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He missed one lie

Submitted by pockets64 on Mon, 04/04/2011 - 9:03am.

Dean said that the racism in the South was on the right.

He needs to go back and see who was blocking the civil rights legislation.

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From Wiki

Submitted by astonrickenbach on Mon, 04/04/2011 - 9:35am.

Voting for the Civil Rights Act of 1964

The original House version:

* Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7%–93%)
* Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0%–100%)

* Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%–6%)
* Northern Republicans: 138-24 (95%–5%)

The Senate version:

* Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5%–95%)
* Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0%–100%)
* Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%–2%)
* Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%–16%)
 

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Dean

Submitted by Arminius on Mon, 04/04/2011 - 9:22am.

Despicable draft dodger.

And Father Coughlin was a left winger who attacked FDR from the left.

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The point is taken

Submitted by HockeyKid on Mon, 04/04/2011 - 9:42am.

We shouldn't listen to liars. Mr. Dean, you are the weakest link. Goodbye.

"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me

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Has anyone ever seen Dean's college and med school transcripts?

Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 04/04/2011 - 9:48am.

-Dave

Vote for the American in November

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Dean and the Democrat Lie Machine

Submitted by jjstoledo on Mon, 04/04/2011 - 9:48am.

What is just amazing is that no matter the Democrat, it's almost impossible to believe anything that comes out of their mouths; it's like reality never matches the words. What is sad is that there are people who actually believe what he says, regardless if it's true or not. There are so many examples of half truths, lies and outright lies, by Obama, his administration and the Democrats in general, the healthcare bill is a really good example, it's some wonder anyone can tell the difference. I wonder if Dean knows that Abe Lincoln was a Republican, but, I guess if you listen to MSNBC or even the mainstream media, they sometimes forget as well. It's too bad he didn't talk about double standards, that would have really been a hoot.

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This idiot is not worthy of a reply or second thought!

Submitted by scottyusmc on Mon, 04/04/2011 - 9:58am.

Complete waste of humanity!

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Dr. Dean. Physcian Dean :

Submitted by Rush Fan on Mon, 04/04/2011 - 11:24am.

Heal thyself.

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Nothing gained by calling mistakes "lies"

Submitted by Plumb Bob on Mon, 04/04/2011 - 12:36pm.

I object to the premise of this article. You did not prove that Dean "lied," not if you're using the word "lie" as it is defined in English. A lie is a statement that the person making it believes to be false, but represents as true. I saw nothing to suggest that Dean did not believe the incredible nonsense he was spouting; therefore, I have no evidence that he lied. He's just an idiot.

It is the case that many liberals call things "lies" that are, at worst, mistakes. That does not make it proper for us similarly to confuse the two.

Never attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity, especially when Howard Dean is in the mix.

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Sorry Sir.

Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 04/04/2011 - 1:06pm.

You don't gain the positions this man has held by being stupid or mistaken. He lied.

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Dean lied Bob. Plain and

Submitted by bassndude on Mon, 04/04/2011 - 2:34pm.

Dean lied Bob. Plain and simple. Dean has been around for awhile. He is aware of "Jumping" Jim Jeffords. They are friends.

Dean has a habit of lying, such as has the VP, "crazy ol uncle" Joe Biden.

Dean lied through his teeth, to a bunch of gullible kids that have not been taught anything that disagrees with the Democratic mantra. And don't know enough to look up the facts on their own. They will just go out and repeat, ad nauseam, Deans words.

 

Save a SeAL, club a liberal/troll!!

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The Sad Thing Is

Submitted by Rycher660 on Mon, 04/04/2011 - 12:46pm.

These College kids are eating up this spoon fed crap that guys like Dean are feeding them...

"When you face the mirror... consider this... why judge another when you've got your own shit to fix"... Quennsryche... "Dirty Lil' Secret"...
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Is Dr. Dean a Proctologist???

Submitted by bigdaddy on Mon, 04/04/2011 - 1:38pm.

Maybe then he would be able to assist in removing his head from his...

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Unfortunately this is how

Submitted by reggyo on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 8:17am.

Unfortunately this is how things are, I really think it's a crime to lie students in their forming years, it's outrageous and someone with the right authority should stand up against these practices. I am preparing for my masters in health care administration myself, it's a harsh world out there, the last thing we need is for someone to lie and manipulate us, we're the future of this country.

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Oh please sign me up. I love SPAM.

Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 8:30am.

Where do I get it? Send me a link please. Hurry.

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