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Ed Schultz Attacks 'Toxic' Ann Coulter: 'There Is Always Misinformation' When She's On TV

By Noel Sheppard | March 19, 2011 | 16:14

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The liberal media collectively hyperventilated the past couple of days after conservative author Ann Coulter had the nerve to claim that radiation at certain levels is actually a good thing.

Jumping on the breathless bandwagon was MSNBC's Ed Schultz Friday who called Coulter "toxic" as he attacked her assertions without clearly elucidating her point (video follows with transcript and commentary):

ED SCHULTZ, HOST: And welcome back to THE ED SHOW -- time for "The Takedown."

A lot of people say Ann Coulter is toxic. But we had no idea that she would take that literally. Coulter says there’s no problem with exposing yourself to high levels of radiation. You would laugh at her if she wasn’t making light of a terrible tragedy.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ANN COULTER, CONSERVATIVE AUTHOR: There’s a growing body of evidence that radiation in excess of what the government says are the minimum amounts you should be exposed to were actually good for you and reduce cases of cancer.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: In a titled column, "A Glowing Report on Radiation," Coulter dismissed the dangerous effects of nuclear disaster in Japan. She wrote, "The only good news is that anyone exposed to excess radiation from the nuclear power plants is now probably much less likely to get cancer."

Her basic premise is what the scientific community calls hormesis. It’s the theory that low doses of radiation can help fight diseases. Recent reports by the United States National Research Council, the National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurements, and the United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation all concluded that insufficient human data on hormesis exists.

So, while it’s possible there may be health benefits to low doses of radiation, you won’t find any international scientific agencies promoting that theory just yet.

But Coulter isn’t just talking about low doses. She’s giving the impression that high level radiation exposure is safe, even though a reading at the Fukushima plant showed enough leakage to cause acute radiation sickness in anyone exposed for more than a couple of hours.

Coulter even goes back to the old myth that only 31 people died as a result of the Chernobyl meltdown -- a myth we debunked on this program earlier this week. If you remember, some studies have the resulting death count from Chernobyl as high as 500,000 people.

Coulter probably thought her expert opinion would find a captive audience on FOX News, but watch Bill O’Reilly’s reaction to Coulter’s theory.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BILL O’REILLY, FOX NEWS: What you say may be true. There may be some doses of radiation that the human body can ward off infection. But in something like this, you have to get the folks out of there.

COULTER: OK. But the point is

O’REILLY: And you have to report -- you have to report worst-case scenario.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Even Bill O’Reilly can’t get onboard with Coulter’s scientific method. This Bill O’Reilly:

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

O’REILLY: Tide goes in tide goes out. Never a miscommunication. You can’t explain that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Radiation in, radiation out; who knows. When Bill O’Reilly is lecturing you about your shoddy science, you know you’re off the rails. But Ann Coulter doesn’t care about science. She only cares about being provocative so Fox will keep putting her on TV.

She is so predictable. You could write a scientific formula for her. Ann goes on TV. Ann goes off TV. There is always misinformation. That’s the Takedown.

Let's analyze this slowly. Here's what Coulter wrote Wednesday:

As The New York Times science section reported in 2001, an increasing number of scientists believe that at some level -- much higher than the minimums set by the U.S. government -- radiation is good for you. "They theorize," the Times said, that "these doses protect against cancer by activating cells' natural defense mechanisms."

Among the studies mentioned by the Times was one in Canada finding that tuberculosis patients subjected to multiple chest X-rays had much lower rates of breast cancer than the general population.

Schultz conveniently ignored that Coulter cited the Times in her piece. That's unfortunately what passes for journalism at MSNBC these days.

Rather than mimic his negligence, let's take a look at what the Times reported in its November 2001 article "For Radiation, How Much Is Too Much?":

In their efforts to protect Americans from the hazards of radiation, federal agencies have found themselves in a quandary. People are constantly exposed to radiation from natural sources -- from cosmic rays, radon seeping out of the earth and radioactive substances in soil, water, food and even from potassium in the human body itself.

Compared with this radiation, the amounts coming from human efforts like nuclear plants are, relatively, minuscule. So, the question is, How closely must this radiation be regulated?

Up to now, regulators have typically acted as if every bit of excess exposure is potentially hazardous. But some scientists question this assumption.

"But some scientists question this assumption." You can see why Schultz ignored this Times piece:

In a report last year on radiation standards, the General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of Congress, said: ''The standards administered by E.P.A. and N.R.C. to protect the public from low-level radiation exposure do not have a conclusive scientific basis, despite decades of research.''

The situation is further confused, experts say, because regulatory standards are a hodgepodge.

The Environmental Protection Agency advocates a standard for all radiation exposure from a single source or site at 15 millirem a year, with no more than 4 coming from ground water. A standard chest X-ray, in comparison, gives about 10 millirem to the chest, which is equivalent to 1 or 2 millirem to the whole body. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission sets its acceptable level of radiation exposure from any one source at 25 millirem a year. In contrast, the natural level of background radiation in the United States, on average, is about 350 millirem a year, and in some areas of the country it is many times higher than that.

Having established a premise from an almost ten-year-old Times article, Coulter found other supportive sources:

A $10 million Department of Energy study from 1991 examined 10 years of epidemiological research by the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health on 700,000 shipyard workers, some of whom had been exposed to 10 times more radiation than the others from their work on the ships' nuclear reactors. The workers exposed to excess radiation had a 24 percent lower death rate and a 25 percent lower cancer mortality than the non-irradiated workers. [...]

In 1983, a series of apartment buildings in Taiwan were accidentally constructed with massive amounts of cobalt 60, a radioactive substance. After 16 years, the buildings' 10,000 occupants developed only five cases of cancer. The cancer rate for the same age group in the general Taiwanese population over that time period predicted 170 cancers.

The people in those buildings had been exposed to radiation nearly five times the maximum "safe" level according to the U.S. government. But they ended up with a cancer rate 96 percent lower than the general population.

Bernard L. Cohen, a physics professor at the University of Pittsburgh, compared radon exposure and lung cancer rates in 1,729 counties covering 90 percent of the U.S. population. His study in the 1990s found far fewer cases of lung cancer in those counties with the highest amounts of radon -- a correlation that could not be explained by smoking rates.

Tom Bethell, author of the The Politically Incorrect Guide to Science has been writing for years about the beneficial effects of some radiation, or "hormesis."

And what was Coulter's conclusion?

Although it is hardly a settled scientific fact that excess radiation is a health benefit, there's certainly evidence that it decreases the risk of some cancers -- and there are plenty of scientists willing to say so.

Indeed. Radiation therapy is even used to kill various cancers. Makes one wonder if Schultz is aware of such treatment.

But missed in all of the shouting was Coulter's real point:

I guess good radiation stories are not as exciting as news anchors warning of mutant humans and scary nuclear power plants -- news anchors who, by the way, have injected small amounts of poison into their foreheads to stave off wrinkles. Which is to say: The general theory that small amounts of toxins can be healthy is widely accepted --except in the case of radiation.

Every day Americans pop multivitamins containing trace amount of zinc, magnesium, selenium, copper, manganese, chromium, molybdenum, nickel, boron -- all poisons.

They get flu shots. They'll drink copious amounts of coffee to ingest a poison: caffeine. (Back in the '70s, Professor Cohen offered to eat as much plutonium as Ralph Nader would eat caffeine -- an offer Nader never accepted.)

But in the case of radiation, the media have Americans convinced that the minutest amount is always deadly.

Although reporters love to issue sensationalized reports about the danger from Japan's nuclear reactors, remember that, so far, thousands have died only because of Mother Nature. And the survivors may outlive all of us over here in hermetically sealed, radiation-free America.

Indeed. From the moment this nuclear crisis began last Friday, our media have been fear-mongering the situation rather than properly informing a concerned public.

Instead of telling people the minimal risks of hazardous radiation levels reaching our continent, the press have incited anxieties creating runs on potassium iodide up and down the West Coast.

Rather than participate in this nonsense, Coulter wrote a well-researched piece Wednesday presenting a side of this story that should have been included alongside the hyperventilation for some balance. 

After all, there has yet to be one death from this nuclear accident, and for all we know there won't be any. But because our media are almost universally No Nukes supporters, the coverage of this event has been far more paranoiac than professional.

As for Schultz's take on Coulter's appearance with O'Reilly Thursday, here's the unedited segment. Contrary to how the MSNBCer and most of his colleagues in the breathless media depicted it, this seemed like a very reasonable discussion of a serious issue.

Decide for yourself:

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Shitz is a dumbass of the

Submitted by ricklail on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 4:26pm.

Shitz is a dumbass of the first class. Ann Coulter has  a syndicated column and is on Fox which draws about 3 times more viewers than he does. She has a lot more education than he does. He is going to get it. I'd hate to fail under the wrath of her. 

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Eeeeeeeeeed

Submitted by vote24 on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 4:27pm.

Don't worry Eddie, your day is at hand. Fraud never ends well. NEVER!
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If Coulter

Submitted by Kingfish17 on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 4:38pm.

If Coulter appeared on the BOR show, and made the comment: "I'm afraid you have it wrong, Bill", Schultz would run a clip of Coulter with her saying, ....."I"m afraid......", and he would blast her for being fearful.
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Schultz is an

Submitted by motherbelt on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 4:42pm.

Schultz is an idiot.

Coulter knew that saying (some) radiation is good for you would drives liberals around the bend.

Ann casts the bait, and Schultz rises to it like starving trout. 

Regarding radon: how long has the federal goverment been saying that radon is the second highest cause of lung cancer, right behind smoking?

Now a guy does a study and finds that cancer incidence is actually INVERSE to radon exposure?

Mark my words: his reputation will be trashed.

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I agree that the feigned

Submitted by Miss_Me_Yet on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 4:43pm.

I agree that the feigned attempt at creating a false sense of panic in this country by the usual suspects was irresponsible at best, leading all the way up to criminally negligent, but for Coulter to, at this stage of the unthinkable death & destruction that has befallen the poor souls in Japan, to tout the possible health benefits of radiation exposure to higher ( by 5x ) than any government's acceptable amounts is equally, if not more irresponsible.

Since when do conservatives fight lies and misinformation from liberals, with more, albeit from the opposite end of crazy town, of the same?

The real American people have enough common sense and concern for themselves and their families to listen to the facts and the Obama agenda propagandist crowd, then make up their own minds. Coulter throwing out her own propaganda for political expediency was dead wrong.

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What in Coulter's

Submitted by motherbelt on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 4:59pm.

What in Coulter's conversation was lies, misinformation, or propaganda?

You used all three of those descriptions. 

Now you may think that Coulter talking about the benefits of 5X the government-approved levels of radiation was in poor taste right now; you may even think it's worse than newscasters trying to enlarge their audience share with theories about a doomsday scenario. But where were the lies, misinformation, and propaganda?

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Throughout the story there

Submitted by Miss_Me_Yet on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 5:36pm.

Throughout the story there are sentences like scientist do not agree, hodge podge of standards, in time maybe different outcome , etc.

As far as I am concerned what Coulter attempts to do here is not unlike the lefts climate change argument based on unsettled, other than in their thick heads, science. 

Besides, can anyone explain to me what the purpose of this exercise was, if for nothing more than countering nonsense with more nonsense, especially in light of the fears of unsafe levels of exposure on the West coast. It leads to more questions than answers for mothers and fathers worried about their children's safety and any and all such discussions on this subject should be left to the experts, even if Ann was quoting those experts that bolster her point of contention.

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Where would that be barack_me_yet?

Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 5:46pm.

barack_me_yet the 2 time retread vulgar racist troll: ...there are sentences like scientist do not agree...

Idiot to English translator requested please. Wait for free shipping once $25 limit has been reached at Amazon. This kind of Stupid can wait.

Hey Stupid, I told you to READ what was written. The scientists that disagreed in the write-up by Mr. Sheppard.  Those scientist disagreed that every bit of excess exposure is potentially hazardous. Seriously, you are kind of Stupid, ain't you?

Noel Sheppard, who wasted his time if you believe the Stupid barack_must_go: Up to now, regulators have typically acted as if every bit of excess exposure is potentially hazardous. But some scientists question this assumption.

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A right mighty execise.

Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 6:35pm.

...can anyone explain to me what the purpose of this exercise was....

Flushed a stupid racist retread vulgar beclowning frellwit out into the open, didn't it barack_me_yet.


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Still waiting for you to SOURCE how Ann Coulter lied.

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In a report last year on

Submitted by motherbelt on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 7:25pm.

Throughout the story there are sentences like scientist do not agree, hodge podge of standards, in time maybe different outcome , etc

You mean like this?

insufficient human data on hormesis exists.

''The standards administered by E.P.A. and N.R.C. to protect the public from low-level radiation exposure do not have a conclusive scientific basis, despite decades of research.''

The situation is further confused, experts say, because regulatory standards are a hodgepodge.

Those things don't actually put the lie to anything Coulter said.

It simply means THEY DON'T KNOW.

And you misread the "scientist [sic] don't agree" part.

What it said was that 

some scientists question this assumption.

What they question is  the assumption that  all radiation exposure is potentially hazardous.

 
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Do you believe Ann may have

Submitted by Miss_Me_Yet on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 7:30pm.

Do you believe Ann may have only chosen articles that bolster her contention, ignoring others ( deliberately omitting them from her offerings ) to make her point. The same point that makes no sense, common or otherwise, to have been made in the first place.

Again I will ask if any rational, or otherwise, person can answer what valid reason Coulter may have had to proffer this argument in the first place, especially under the present circumstances.

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Submitted by mandrake on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 7:42pm.

Ann probably has a new new book coming out soon so she is raising her profile for the upcoming book tour. I could be wrong, but it's just my theory of how she operates.
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I think you're completely

Submitted by Smartypants on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 8:58pm.

I think you're completely missing her point. Coulter is a pundit and it is her job to stir the pot a times. That is exactly what she is doing. Coulter has made a fortune by being edgy; it is what she does best. She never made any direct proclamation as to her own opinion about radiation exposure. Her primary point appears to be that we have been led to believe ALL exposure to radiation is bad; and there are studies which show counterintuitive results. She lists those studies as her evidence. It is absurd for you to suggest she cherry picked data when she is jus trying to present evidence that bucks conventional wisdom. Conventional wisdom says that radiation is bad for you--all radiation is bad for you. Why should she spend space in a column reiterating that idea? Further, her main point has nothing to do with radiation directly; it more involves why the media has no interest in publicizing studies that show some radiation to be good for you. This bias is the very purpose of this website and I think it is a fair question. Her timing may be off-base, given what is going on in Japan; then again, she is trying to be provocative. There's nothing wrong with it.

 

 

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"Edgy" and "provocative"?

Submitted by Jer on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 9:36pm.

Those are the words Olbermann's defenders use to describe him.  Interesting how both sides employ the same euphemisms.

 Jer

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I'm not talking about why Ann

Submitted by motherbelt on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 9:54pm.

I'm not talking about why Ann may have said the things she did. I'm talking about the things YOU said.

I only  took issue with your argument and what you accused her of (lies, misinformation, propaganda).

I pointed out that the statements from the NYT article that you claim contradict what she said, in fact do not.

Then you claim that contradictory evidence was probably elsewhere and she ignored it.

OK, you got me.  You win.

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Actually I lose, no one wins,

Submitted by Miss_Me_Yet on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 11:01pm.

Actually I lose, no one wins, at least no conservative, when a prominent figure like Ann Coulter pulls a stunt like this, under the current situation still unfolding in Japan and as a result the revisiting of nuclear power plants in this country. 

In effect, all she's accomplished, even if it's her prerogative to do so, is give the left an excuse to scapegoat (  by referring  to this non starter )   instead of owning up to the next 10 NPR, Bill Maher or Obama the ineffectual legitimate issues, and it just pisses me off,that's all.   

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You have a right to be pissed off.

Submitted by motherbelt on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 8:05am.

Go back to my first reply to your first comment in this thread:

You had said this:

Since when do conservatives fight lies and misinformation from liberals, with more, albeit from the opposite end of crazy town, of the same?

And I responded with this

Now you may think that Coulter talking about the benefits of 5X the government-approved levels of radiation was in poor taste right now; you may even think it's worse than newscasters trying to enlarge their audience share with theories about a doomsday scenario. But where were the lies, misinformation, and propaganda?

Not all conservatives blindly defend Ann Coulter, no matter what.

If you had just left it with the "poor taste" argument, I probably wouldn't even have responded.

But  you argued like a liberal: not merely outraged at her insensitivity, but claiming she was lying to boot.

That's what I was taking issue with. And just like a liberal who yells LIAR before checking the facts, when faced with them you had to backtrack and change your argument.

That was my point.

 

 

 

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I've neither backtracked nor

Submitted by Miss_Me_Yet on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 8:47am.

I've neither backtracked nor changed by initial contention that Coulter deliberately lied ( by omission ), misinforming the reader ( her offerings one sided, ancient history article ( 10 years old ) from N Y Times doesn't make it OK, all for, as of yet unknown, propaganda purposes.

There have been dozens of actual nuclear power / disaster experts speaking ad nauseum for a week now. Most presenting the complete opposite opinion as Coulter, yet she chose to completely ignore what they had to say. As I see it she is guilty as charged. 

I still would ask if there is anyone, even Ann herself, who can explain what the purpose of this inappropriate ( under the current world circumstances or otherwise )  exercise happen to be. Simply stating it's her prerogative not being an acceptable answer?

I'm going to attempt to contact Coulter during the week, to see if she even knows, other than to create controversy, what legitimate purpose was served.

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Still waiting barack_me_yet.

Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 9:28am.

Prove she lied. Should be simple. The truth should be out there. PROVE she lied. Or run away. That is what you do best. Insult your detractors and then run until you get banned. Then come back and act like you are a completely different person.


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Oh barack_me_yet. You gonna be scared of a fake American now?

Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 9:51am.

Come on barack_me_yet. You said she DELIBERATELY LIED. Prove it.

Ann Coulter: There’s a growing body of evidence...

Oh My! Why, that can't stand. You iz liar Annie. Liar I'z says.

Anytime you want to act like a man and prove there is NOT a growing body of evidence. We will be here. Hell, we have been here 4 years waiting for j. frank wilson to back up his lies.


Ann Coulter: ...there's certainly evidence that it decreases the risk of some cancers....

Dang to hell Anniez, dat is delicious lize! Ahhhhhhh.

Back it up ProfanityBoy.

Ann Coulter tells the truth. I WILL BACK UP WHAT I SAY. YOU CUT AND RUN.

The results of research presented at the 15th Pacific Basin Nuclear Conference (15PBNC)
directly challenge the assumption, made for the purposes of radiation protection, that risks observed at acute doses of 500-1000 mGy can be extrapolated reliably down to zero dose and to low dose rates (the LNT model). The research shows that different biological responses to radiation predominate at doses and dose rates that are substantially lower than those at which risks have been observed. Hence, the dose-response relationship is non-linear and risk is not as predicted from the LNT model. If anything, there is health benefit instead of risk at low levels of exposure.

D Boreham, McMaster University, Canada
A Brooks, Washington State University Tri-Cities, USA
D J Higson, Australian Nuclear Association, Australia
Y-C Luan, Nuclear Biological and Chemical Protection Society, Taiwan
R E Mitchel, Atomic Energy of Canada Ltd, Canada
J Strzelczyk, University of Colorado at Denver, Radiology, USA
P Sykes, Flinders University and Medical Centre, Australia

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Missmeyet, you can't deny

Submitted by motherbelt on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 9:58am.

Missmeyet, you can't deny that you pooh-poohed my proof that what you said about what was in the article was wrong.

I'm not going to repeat my proof; it's all in an earlier comment.

But you said

Do you believe Ann may have only chosen articles that bolster her contention, ignoring others ( deliberately omitting them from her offerings ) to make her point. ......

(BTW, I know what "ignoring" means.)

And then went right back to arguing the appropriateness of her comments: The same point....etc

You obviously prefer to push that line rather than admit that you misread or misrepresented the article, which was my whole point, so I'm done here.

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Careful motherbelt.

Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 10:29am.

No one dares to question barack_me_yet without risk of being labeled a fake American, troll, or liberal. But don't worry, you are always welcome to the club.

barack_me_yet: ...your little troll group... ...your little cult lashes out at anyone with an alternate opinion... ...your groups malitia mentality... Your entire cult here... 


The Classic Liberals that pose as Good Little Conservatives monthly meeting at the American Legion Hall every 3rd Friday of the month. You are always welcome.

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Well, Vet, since you brought it up...

Submitted by SickofLibs on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 10:45am.

I still haven't received my FY 2011 membership card and here it is almost April.

And yes, I have the PayPal receipt to prove it.

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Try again barack_me_yet.

Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 5:08pm.

Coulter tells the truth. Try reading the entire article before you insert your foot into your mouth.

Is Radiation Good For You?
The answer is yes but only in very small doses, says one of the country's most respected toxicologists. If he's right, environmental regulation will never be the same


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Ann Coulter For President

Submitted by Avitar on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 3:35pm.

Inside the technical community it has been known for decades that the estimates of radiation dangers are wrong. If the Government pinheads had the dangers right New Jersey should have the shortest life expectancy of any state. The granite under the whole state has trace uranium in it .

The first time I heard about the over estimation of the danger was an article by John W. Campbell, who got his Ph.d in Nuclear Physics from MIT in the 1930's back when it did not pay so he wrote for a living. He died in 1971 of a heart attack. That Ann Coulter is the only media figure who has the intelligence to be aware of an error in Government regulations more than forty years old speaks volumes about the media and Government regulators.

The Government reglators have not changed their wrong guide lines for radiation in forty years because they do not have to. With enough support from media pinheads they never will.

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I receive radiation

Submitted by gunguru on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 6:10pm.

treatments for my cancer as many as three times a week. The oncologists tell me that it is working to fight the disease. I have been in remission once already, and am working towards that goal yet again. So I suppose all that I can say is "Thanks Ann, and f-you Fat Eddie".
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Godspeed gunguru. Your

Submitted by Miss_Me_Yet on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 6:18pm.

Godspeed gunguru. Your NewsBusters family will keep you in our thoughts and prayers.

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Gunguru

Submitted by grammajane on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 6:38pm.

Here's hoping your remission continues with your treatments!!
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Radical

Submitted by grammajane on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 6:46pm.

What is with these radical male libs and their constant hate of women? (schultxz, maher, tingles, obergoof, mcdonald etc) They must have "mommy issues" or are just so extremely jealous of these smart and good-looking conservative women who can draw bigger audiences then all of put together at one time.
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MsRad and grammajane*

Submitted by cajun2 on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 7:18pm.

You are both right. This is why the idiot liberals are supportive of muslims and sharia law. They think they will finally put us ( me included) in our proper place. THEY CAN'T HANDLE US.

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cajun

Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 11:16pm.

You are so right! Quite frankly, they can't seem to handle liberal women either. Look at how Hillary was treated in the campaign and how she's being treated now. Even now Obama is making fun of Hillary as he leaves her hanging in the wind over the Libya situation.
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By all means...

Submitted by jimspice on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 6:51pm.

All you Coulter-geists out there, throw the switch to an X-ray machine to on and hop on in for a nice nap. Good lord, the right has so far disassociated itself from science it is laughable.
And we're off, like a dirty shirt! --Lester Earnest Spice
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Disassociation from science

Submitted by Kingfish17 on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 7:13pm.

jimspice,

Is that disassociation to the same degree as the left accepting unproven scientific theory as a religion?

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See? Right there!

Submitted by jimspice on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 7:33pm.

You're doing it right now, demonstrating you have no idea how science works. A theory is never proven. There may be evidence, i.e. a tested hypothesis, but by it's very nature, science sets itself up to be disproven. Now what religion behaves that way. You just don't get it.
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So you're a mind reader?

Submitted by Kingfish17 on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 7:46pm.

Religion is based on faith.

If one believes that a theory is fact, that too, is faith based.

I get everything you're talking about.

Now how about answering my original question instead of insultng me by saying I don't understand theory vs. fact.  That's called deflection.

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See? Right there!

Submitted by jimspice on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 7:35pm.

You're doing it right now, demonstrating you have no idea how science works. A theory is never proven. There may be evidence, i.e. a tested hypothesis, but by it's very nature, science sets itself up to be disproven. Now what religion behaves that way. You just don't get it.
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Just a theory......

Submitted by Kingfish17 on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 7:49pm.

I have a theory that you need a new mouse.
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So, they've never proven the

Submitted by Smartypants on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 8:59pm.

So, they've never proven the earth is round. That's still just a theory?

 

 

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This will be VERY difficult for a mind like yours to accept ...

Submitted by NL207 on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 9:23pm.

but the Earth is NOT round.

It is not even a sphere.  It is an oblate spheroid.

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Jimspice, there was once a

Submitted by bassndude on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 3:54pm.

Jimspice, there was once a theory that there was a black hole at the center of our galaxy. Now there is proof. There was once a theory about atomic energy. Now there is proof. There was once a theory that the earth was round. Now there is proof. (Yes NL, I know). There are thousands upon thousands of former theory's, that were proven true.

But to say a theory is never proven....that is an ignorant statement. Might even say stupid. But hey..you just stand your ground, dude. Hold that corner down and keep that little pointed hat.

 

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black hole = RACIST!!!!!

Submitted by Beukeboom on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 4:37pm.

black hole = RACIST!!!!!

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Snitch!!

Submitted by bassndude on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 5:25pm.

Snitch!!

 

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I think you may be confusing

Submitted by jimspice on Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:24am.

I think you may be confusing a theory with a hypothesis. Doesn't really matter. No matter how often you repeat it or which little condescending jabs you attach to it, you are wrong. You never prove a theory. Once a theory has been tested over and over and over again and shown consistency each and every time, we can act "as if" it is proven. Such as with the elevation of gravity to a law. But how much you wanna bet that law will be adjusted within the next century or so?
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Confusing: Even to scientists

Submitted by Kingfish17 on Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:51am.

'Theory: A theory is what one or more hypotheses become once they have been verified and accepted to be true. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers. Unfortunately, even some scientists often use the term "theory" in a more colloquial sense, when they really mean to say "hypothesis." That makes its true meaning in science even more confusing to the general public.'

Obfuscation:  Picking up on minor discrepancies in arguments and focusing exclusively on those discrepancies instead of addressing the point of the argument.

Given that even some scientists use "theory" when they really mean "hypothesis", you could have allowed us non-scientists a little lee-way and actually answered the contentions and arguments presented, instead of playing word games.  But when no good counter argument exists, word games is probably the best that can be expected. 

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"...you could have...answered

Submitted by jimspice on Tue, 03/22/2011 - 12:19pm.

"...you could have...answered the contentions and arguments presented..." I haven't seen any to rebut. What are you talking about? My general point is that you guys do not know what you are talking about, but are completely convinced that you do, based upon your reading of certain blogs, the authors of which, again, don't know what they are talking about. You have demonstrated that here, and admitted as much. And no, I will not cut you any slack for not being up to speed when you jump into a debate. Yet we are to take your word, and the word of Coulter and the like, and discount the well-reasoned observations of people who have made it their life's mission to understand the intricacies of complex systems.
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My original question.

Submitted by Kingfish17 on Wed, 03/23/2011 - 9:12am.

Haven't seen any? Am I suppose to cut you some slack for not being able to discern a simple question, put directly to you?

Earlier in this thread, you made a statement saying that the right has so far disassociated itself from science that it is laughable.  I posed a question directly to you:


Is that disassociation to the same degree as the left accepting unproven scientific theory as a religion?

That's where you launched in your attacks on me about the definition of theory and hypothesis, etc.  I was trying to have an actual discussion with you.  I guess that was my biggest mistake of all.  My question was based on the contention that the left accepts unproven scientific theory, (and you yourself point out that theory can actually never be proven), as religion.  Their belief in these theories is based on faith.

Sorry I tired to engage you in an actual discussion.  All I still get is name calling, denigration, and obfuscation.

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Wow. Stupid and verbose. A bad combination.

Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:53am.

Looks like fwankie has a contender for King Beclowner. You gonna off daddy and claim the throne Prince jimspice the Beclowner?
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Hey Vet, I think you're jumping to conclusions on this one

Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 03/23/2011 - 9:23am.

He provided an information-packed link above:

I think you should at least see what he has to say.

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Like I said Jimspice,

Submitted by bassndude on Tue, 03/22/2011 - 12:17pm.

You just sit on that stool in the corner with the little pointed hat on and pretend your really home steading your piece of land there.

Webster's Dictionary says Theory is:

: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <the wave theory of light>
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a : a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation b : an unproved assumption : conjecture c : a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject <theory of equations>

Anyway you look at it, your post above is in conflict with the definition. In or out of the scientific community. In other words, you don't have a clue what your talking about. Your one of those people that have opened your mouth and removed all doubt.

 

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The point Is that many people did.

Submitted by Avitar on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 3:42pm.

The numbers were not scientifically arrived at but were wild ass guesses as to how much was dangerous. 30% humidity is comfortable but you drown in over 100% long enough as soon as it gets over your head.
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Might be late, but we were right all along.

Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 03/21/2012 - 7:54am.

And so is Ann. WSJ - March 6 2012.

 The etiology of radiation-related disease is well-known. Radiation can cause DNA damage but the body has repair mechanisms to deal with it. Last December scientists at Berkeley made microscopic videotapes of these cellular repair sites in action. "Our data show that at lower doses of ionizing radiation, DNA repair mechanisms work much better than at higher doses," wrote Mina Bissell, a world-renowned breast cancer researcher who co-authored the report. "This non-linear DNA damage response casts doubt on the general assumption that any amount of ionizing radiation is harmful and additive."

Other researchers speculate that low radiation doses may immunize the body against cancer and birth defects by stimulating these repair mechanisms into greater responsiveness, just as vaccines stimulate the immune system. That would explain the low cancer rates in Taiwan.

Read the whole thing and see once again that all trolls are interested in is propaganda. Yummy propaganda. Never the truth.

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So jimspice*

Submitted by cajun2 on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 7:02pm.

Your favorite science guru no doubt is Al Gore.

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No

Submitted by jimspice on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 7:29pm.

No. Al Gore is not a scientist, and is actually closer to Coulter on your side.
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That would appear

Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 7:30pm.

to be true, Cajun. And, jimspice studied at East Anglia, no doubt.

So, tell us, jmspice, how many carbon credits have you bought from the flim-flam man, er, Algore? 

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Noel, you made the best point

Submitted by dscott on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 7:34pm.

Noel, you made the best point at the end about FEAR, let's add some context to that:

Context is everything so what seems the end of the world in Sendai is really only the end of a specific worldview.

Hiroshima exists today and is a vibrant city of over 1.1 million people despite being the first city in history to be hit by an atomic bomb. http://www.citypopulation.de/Japan-Hiroshima.html At the time of the bombing most of the city was flattened, one could well say that was the end of the world for that city. However, despite the destruction, people started rebuilding within a year and were living there. They rebuilt the city, it wasn't the end of the world, it was the end of WWII, the context changed. The moral of that story is no matter how terrible a situation may seem to be at a given moment in time, the greater context is things change as all moments in time are relative and it's up to us to make them better, this is called survival.

Map of Hiroshima - http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&q=hiroshima&um...

Nagasaki - A city currently of over 440,000 people. http://www.citypopulation.de/Japan-Nagasaki.html

Here's the actual report on the effects of the bombings: http://www2.hn.psu.edu/faculty/jmanis/poldocs/a-ww2.pdf

Current radiation levels are normal background - http://www.chugoku-np.co.jp/hiroshima-koku/en/exploration/index_20070514... Professor Kiyoshi Shizuma of the Faculty of Engineering at Hiroshima University comments, "The area around the hypocenter was affected by radiation for at least a year." Leading radiation consisted of about 20 types and its impact was strongest for 10--20 hours, with the effect continuing for about 100 hours. "After about a year," Professor Shizuma says, "the radiation level would recover to the same level prior to the bombing."

The point here being, despite the widely held belief that after a nuclear blast nothing will grow and the area will be uninhabitable for thousands of years is completely false in context of the long term much less in the short term of a year. I'm not making any case for dropping nuclear bombs as a routine matter of war, what I am saying is that many times a popular belief (myth) or something we assume is true is oft times either an extreme oversimplification or justs fits a convenient agenda and maybe completely false.

In the case of the anti-nuclear/anti-war movement, it was a convenient means to create fear of the horrors of radiation to advance the agenda to get people to accept pacifism and diplomacy to resolve all international conflicts. The outgrowth of the anti-war movement was the anti-nuclear movement since they both used the same fear of nuclear radiation to dissuade people from accepting or supporting nuclear power. In both these movements they employ the use of inducing extreme fear to motivative people to their cause, this is no different with the Gulf oil spill and fossil fuels. Always be wary of news reports and people making assertions that stir up fear as many times such people have an agenda which in the normal course of events that agenda would not be accepted if that fear didn't exist. That should be a red flag to you in assessing anything a group promotes, do they induce fear?

Which brings us to the Banana standard: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/02/16/going-bananas-over-radiation/ an excellent read.

Nearly all foods are slightly radioactive. All food sources combined expose a person to around 40 millirems per year on average, or more than 10% of the total dose from all natural and man-made sources... For instance, a radiation exposure of 10 mrems (10,000,000,000 picorems) increases your risk of death by about one in one million—the same risk as eating 40 tablespoons of peanut butter,

So next time you fly and are POed at the TSA, put a banana in your carry on and watch them go beserk and then look stupid after finding the banana. The more the better.

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BTW-since magnetic reversals

Submitted by dscott on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 7:41pm.

BTW-since magnetic reversals occur periodically through earth's history and the Magnetosphere is what supposed to keep out radiation then how do you explain any animal much less mammalian existence on the planet?
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For those interested in

Submitted by dscott on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 10:47am.

For those interested in comparative exposures: http://xkcd.com/radiation/
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Ironiy is...

Submitted by saintknowitall on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 7:36pm.

....lost on most liberals. And this is just another example. Ann is the master of using irony against the liberals and it drives them crazy. She turns the liberals into quivering masses of hyper-reactive nothingness.
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Can you say distraction?

Submitted by Ashrak on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 8:06pm.

Coulter throws barbs, of this there can be no legitimate debate. But you know what?

In order to "takedown" her writings, folks like Ed have to twist , omit and spin their way into doing it. The funny part is that they still fail in doing so no matter how hard they try.

Everyone is going to be a target for anything for the near future - as the left wants nothing more than to avoid talking about Obama sending soldiers into Libya. Sure, he can hedge and qualify with "on the ground" but the fact of the matter is that our military has been sent to war in two countries besides Iraq and Afghanistan since Obama has been in office.

Coulter, Palin anybody will do, just so long as they don;t have to talk about Obama.

That an individual right exists requires that some policy positions be removed from the table of debate.
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I live and work in Japan and

Submitted by LAM SON 719 on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 8:42pm.

I live and work in Japan and the truth is that NOTHING from the us media has been factual or correct. They have been peddling fear and terror in order to bump up their numbers. The MSM and the left have been far worse than the right in exploiting this accident. As a side note, the liberals I work with were the first to abandon ship and attempt to escape, no loyality or sense of duty, cowards all.
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I think that is exactly

Submitted by Smartypants on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 9:02pm.

I think that is exactly Coulter's point. The media has my wife's elderly parents scared to death of radiation clouds enveloping their house any minute. (They are homebound and watch way too much tv news.) The media needs to be collectively neutered.

 

 

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Heh, Ann stirred up a big pot o' puddin'

Submitted by Dave. on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 9:34pm.

...and Red Ed dove right in.

LOL - Gotta love it.

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Right, Dave, as I said above,

Submitted by motherbelt on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 9:52pm.

Right, Dave, as I said above, she cast the bait, and Ed rose to it like a hungry trout. LOL

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mb,

Submitted by Dave. on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 10:10pm.

Obviously Ed "thinks" with something other than his brain.

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ann seems to be an expert angler*

Submitted by cajun2 on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 10:44pm.

She does have the talent in any location

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To Schultz:

Submitted by Beukeboom on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 12:18am.

To Schultz: pot...kettle...black...again...

 

But all reasonable people already knew that.

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I watched it twice. I got it

Submitted by amyshulk on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 3:38am.

I watched it twice. I got it - after years of the Food Pyramid, etc. why should we believe the CYA gov't?

AGW seemed to me to be hubris from the start - so I called my dad {former physicist for JPL - studied the ozone layer} and told him my theory: "Mother Nature can and does do more damage than man and we are but a pimple on a giant's tush in relation." He agreed.

I've been meaning to ask him about all this hype - especially since he's in So. Cal. - just haven't had the time yet. Watching what Ann said affirmed what I'd already suspected - they don't really know, they just know high concentrations over longer periods result in radiation sickness.

Extrapolating out from that to say ALL radiation = you will die quick or slow seems sloppy to me.

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Coulter

Submitted by Truestar on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 7:01am.

I'm reminded of the axiom that is perhaps the entire basis for Newsbusters---if a lib says things that seem controversial, it's basically a non-story to the lib media. But here we have Ann Coulter, the fav punching bag for unhinged libs like this jerk Schultz, saying some things that on the surface appear to be insensitive or irresponsible. Her comments were neither, but an irresponsible lib shill and blowhard decides to make it his business to attack Coulter. Schultz has the intellect and journalistic judgement of a typical 5th grader learning about politics. Trouble is, he's a well compensated TV "news host", on a widely viewed (don't laugh, I know MSNBC is in the dregs in the ratings) show. This idiot should be an embarassment to MessNBC. He's a joke. My god, Olbermann did that network a favor by quitting. But how can they explain the continued employment of this idiot Schultz, while their "star' is long gone? Kudos to Ann Coulter, she's above and beyond the idiot hosts at MessNBC.
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It's embarrassing

Submitted by Model850 on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 3:51pm.

It's embarrassing that Ed went to the same high school I attended. I just learned this little tidbit last week when the local paper ran a feature on his returning to town to film some "Lean Forward" promos or some such nonsense. He filmed them on the steps of the high school.

The only saving grace for me is that based on when the article stated he graduated he started there in the fall following the summer I graduated, so at least we weren't there at the same time! (That presumes he didn't fail any grades and was held back, which may be a risky presumption, I know.)

"Special Ed" and I sharing some history. <shudder>

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SpecialED

Submitted by trahantg on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 10:32am.

As long as you were not on the same bus as ED.
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That special short bus built

Submitted by Beukeboom on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 10:34am.

That special short bus built for one passenger?
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