Joy Behar: 'I’m Sure People In Concentration Camps Made Jokes About Each Other and The Nazis'
Joy Behar on Wednesday made a staggeringly stupid comment on "The View" that is so inane it requires no additional setup.
"I’m sure people in concentration camps made jokes about each other, about the Nazis, about their situation. That’s the way people relieve stress" (video follows with transcript and commentary):
SHERRI SHEPHERD: And I understand what Joan Rivers is saying. You know, comedians, we can get inappropriate to make people feel better. I go, the type of jokes that Gottfried was doing, who is that making feel better? Those jokes, the jokes were mean-spirited. So who was feeling better from the type of jokes that he was doing as a comic?
JOY BEHAR: I don’t know, maybe people who just need relief from the terror of it all. I don’t know, but I mean, I’m sure people in concentration camps made jokes about each other, about the Nazis, about their situation. That’s the way people relieve stress.
SHEPHERD: You said people in concentration camps made jokes? Now, I don’t know if they did or not.
BEHAR: I’m sure they did.
If you need to know more than this foursome was chatting about the termination of comedian Gilbert Gottfried by Aflac for some insensitive comments he tweeted over the weekend regarding the tragedy in Japan, please see Jeff Poor's piece at the Daily Caller.
From my perspective, the context is largely irrelevant.
No matter what this moron says, Jews that were eventually killed in Hitler's concentration camps, and those that actually survived, weren't making jokes about each other or the Nazis.
You don't joke around when you're starving to death, freezing to death, and watching your friends and family members being slaughtered like livestock.
Think about it. How would such comedy surface?
"Hey, Moishe, did you hear the one about the commandant who shot twelve prisoners in five seconds but was disappointed because he was going for a baker's dozen?"
"Ouch. That's like missing the extra point in a tie game with no time left on the clock"
"D'oh!"
Yeah, I bet that would have had them rolling in the aisles at Auschwitz, Joy!
Ms. Behar should do Jews all around the world a favor: stop with the Nazi references. That got her in trouble with the Anti-Defamation League a few years ago.
I guess she didn't learn her lesson for it won't surprise me at all if they're putting together another letter to her as we speak.
Stay tuned.
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I hate to say it....
Submitted by mzk1 on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 7:40pm.
But she's probably right. While the conditions in the camps are completely unimaginable, Jews (and I suppose most people) have always used jokes to get through the worst of circumstances.Starving to Death
Submitted by libBuster on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 7:55pm.
I am not sure that people who were being starved to death were in much of a joking mood. Arrival at a camp after a trainride in a nearly airtight boxcar permeated by death. People sent off to die on arrival. Forced labor. Camp survivors were often very emotionally wounded people. Nothing about it was a joking matter.Jews may have made jokes
Submitted by motherbelt on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 7:53pm.
Jews may have made jokes about a lot of things, but I doubt the concentration camps would be on that list.Camp Jokes
Submitted by libBuster on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 6:05pm.
There are lots of well known Jewish comedians. I have never heard a joke about a concentration camp from a Jewish person in private or in public.
libBuster~
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 9:50pm.
Me neither -- and I think most people would say the same.
What I do not get on this thread is how some continue to doggedly insist on BEING RIGHT that those in concentration camps told jokes about their situation. How about doing right instead -- and dropping this because it's STILL INSENSITIVE to keep on it. If you could possibly upset any camp survivors, their family members, friends, those of Jewish faith, etc. with what can come off as hurtful and crass assertions, why continue the "They told jokes! They told jokes!" drumbeat?
Good gosh. Is being "right" worth it?
Missing and still not found: sensitivity chips.
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Update: some sensitivity chips found. :) And some of my typos too.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
GG...I know your heart is in the right place, but
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 03/18/2011 - 1:16am.
to insinuate that we (who suggest there may be some validity to Behar's assertions) are not "doing right" and are insensitive and hurtful to those of the Jewish faith is really unfair. I think it pretty apparent that no one here--even the "libs"--is particulary fond of Joy Behar, and, of far greater significance, a recognition of the singular, mind-numbing barbarity of the concentration camps--and the unimaginable horrors experienced by all who were incarcerated within them and the millions who were murdered there--is accepted "fact" embraced unanimously and without qualification.
We who were not there can never really know what it was like to be there, nor can we necessarily comprehend or make sense of the--superficially illogical--methods reportedly employed by some in order to endure the relentless, pervasive and stupefying inhumanity of the camps. The evidence that one of those survival/coping techniques took the form of "gallows humor" and surreal "jokes" consists of testimony adduced directly from the SURVIVORS THEMSELVES, rather than the mere speculative musings offered up by modern analysts or groundless theories hatched by crackpot academics. Barring proof of elaborate deceptions, false memories, etc., such evidence is powerful and credible and must be given much more weight than opinions based only on "how can there be humor in a completely humorless environment" skepticism coupled with "Behar is a moron" animus.
Finally, and this is supremely important from a personal standpoint, my reference to sources which tend to support Behar's position was done only to note there is another side to the issue, and God knows, was in no way intended to trivialize the suffering of the victims, pass judgment on, much less disparage, their behavior, or diminish the unparalleled awfulness of the events associated with Hitler's Final Solution. And that most definitely was not the intent of those who spoke and wrote so poignantly about it in their reminiscences and memoirs.
Jer
Jer~
Submitted by GG_NB on Fri, 03/18/2011 - 9:33am.
I said how I feel on it, and that is how I feel. I agree with Cajun -- how the Jewish people did or did not cope in the concentration camps is their business and their story to tell themselves, if they wish to. I find it callous to discuss it as it has been done here -- in some cases. So that's it...I'm done."If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
GG...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 03/18/2011 - 9:52am.
What you are saying is the mere act of pointing out the existence of those stories which have been told publicly--published in fact--is heartless and callous. And I still believe that is being very unfair.
But it looks as though neither of us will change the other's mind, so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Jer
mzk1
Submitted by jdlybrand on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 8:14pm.
I doubt you 'hate to say it'. If you wish to defend the indefensible, please use better words than probably and suppose. The horrors these people experienced were unspeakable. Not a damn funny moment to be found."What a revoltin' development this is!"
Chester Riley
I replied to you below in a separate comment....
Submitted by mzk1 on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 4:36am.
If you have read any other posting of mine, you would know I do not normally defend Behar and I certainly do not mean to make light of what went on in the camps, which is litrally indescribable. (My great-grandfather was born in Kosov, and the Nazis basically killed everyone Jewish. I'm not sure they even bothered with camps. I have no desire of setting foot in that place.)Ignorance
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 9:08pm.
I think that shows an ignorance of the conditions of Jews in the death camps. Even before arrival, these people had lost their homes, their possestions, everything but themselves. Upon arrival they were separated from family members, and witnessed the death of the same, quickly realizing their own fate. Meanwhile, they were starving, sick, and used as slave labor. Do you think their was a lot of joking around on the Bataan Death march too?My wife's uncle was in the
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 9:30pm.
My wife's uncle was in the Battann Death March and he said they did joke with each other and tell stories. But it was mostly about survival and such, they did not joke about what was happening. And he doesn't talk about it much at all.mzk1
Submitted by Hoosier Conservative on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 9:53pm.
What utter stupidity. Do you know there is a lot of documentation from during and after the Holocaust. A lot of survivors recorded their memories to historians. Nobody, not a one memoir I've ever seen, included any jokes. Anne Frank's diary doesn't even have any jokes. I suppose next you'll tell us New Yorkers were joking about airplanes on 9/11.OK...
Submitted by mzk1 on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 4:32am.
I was simply going by what I know of my people under adversity; there was always gallows humor. It is possible that in the camps in was too horrible even for that; I will defer to you there. I do not recall the memoirs I have read clearly enough to recall if there were. There are certainly a lot of Jewish jokes about the Nazis, but perhaps they were only made by outsiders. (I doubt that, though - it goes against all of Jewish history.)Below...
Submitted by mzk1 on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 4:44am.
Someone gave at least one link describing humor in the camps. I am simply referring to facts, not making light of what happened, heaven forbid. There is enough to attack Behar for without going overboard.mzk1, I am sure there were
Submitted by bassndude on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 11:58am.
mzk1, I am sure there were some good jokes in the camps. On the Nazi side of the wire. I suppose the Jews saw humor mostly while they were tossing their children and parents into the pit! Had to have been some good ones there.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal/troll!!
The Nazis made lampshades out
Submitted by WarEagle66 on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 2:55pm.
The Nazis made lampshades out of HUMAN SKIN. Joy, there was nothing there to make jokes about. While understand the Leftists need to belittle anyone to the right of themselves....this might be one of the most insensitive things I have ever heard. She is an evil, petty and small woman... I shake my head at people who, while overseas, travel to concentration camps and say they want to "see what it was like". There is no way any of us will ever know what it was like.Gotta say it....
Submitted by motherbelt on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 7:56pm.
Once again Joy speaks, and removes all doubt.
I'm speechless. Too bad Joy never is.
Still trying to figure out
Submitted by Tugboat Phil on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 7:57pm.
what kind of "jokes" I'd make about the people that just herded me from my home, took every possession I had, killed a few of my family members in the cattle car ride to the camp, then stripped, tattooed me and put me to work digging a pit to toss in the hundreds of my friends they'd just gassed. I'm sure the jokes are there, just can't think of any right now.She should be DONE!
Submitted by brutony1 on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 8:04pm.
Just like her Palin "jokes", she should be chastized, penalized, suspended, and made to do mea cuplas all around! Preferably, she should be tossed from that show, as I wont ever watch it with her still on. but, of course, nothing will ever happen to her! Esp that I believe she IS Jewish, no?When will liberals WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE! -Me
She is not Jewish....
Submitted by mzk1 on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 4:40am.
thank heaven. Unfortunately, she has a name common among Jews from the Middle East.What the?
Submitted by Rebar002 on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 8:05pm.
Yes, Joy, a family arriving at Auschwitz where the father is sent off to be worked to death while everyone else is sent immediately to the gas chambers is occasion for some witty repartee. What an ignorant dolt she is.its hard to understand-
Submitted by JIMMY1660 on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 8:29pm.
her comments. Not sure she has seen the official films-photos of what our GI's found after the war. what she has said-is as inhumane as anything has ever been said-no words to describe the vile. Many survivors with the tattoos on their arm should give her a 1st hand account. it may take 2-3 minutes, butJoy will throw up. as i just have reading her words. Disgusting human being.Jimmy, after you finish vomiting
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 8:40pm.
would you care to comment on this or this?
The way Joy puts it is not as
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 9:33pm.
The way Joy puts it is not as the accounts put it, and my wife's uncle puts it. Joy uses it as a cruel crutch for nefarious purposes.hello Jer
Submitted by Hoosier Conservative on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:02pm.
The first example mentions a woman who relied on humor, but it doesn't mention what sort of jokes she made. So I don't think that applies to what Joy said. In the second example it was role playing for the Jewish prisoners to make themselves feel superior to the guards. Neither one of those proves what Joy is saying here.Jer,
Submitted by Ashrak on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:29pm.
"In the camps, laughing usually invited punishment or death. But having a sense of humor was critical, she said."
Even the text of that statement itself is lost on you isn't it, Jer.
"But she giggled while her papers were being processed."
Many laugh today as their Liberty is snaked away, too.
"But she found that people in America either didn't believe her stories about the camps, or they simply didn't want to hear them."
Gee, what was I saying about people being the same today?
Nothing in the first article you post has anything to do with joking in the camps or it being a good thing, indeed, it demonstrates it to be quite a bad thing. I am not even going to read the second one.
Unbelievable......
Submitted by Ozconservative on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 8:14pm.
...Here over an acre of ground lay dead and dying people. You could not see which was which... The living lay with their heads against the corpses and around them moved the awful, ghostly procession of emaciated, aimless people, with nothing to do and with no hope of life, unable to move out of your way, unable to look at the terrible sights around them ... Babies had been born here, tiny wizened things that could not live ... A mother, driven mad, screamed at a British sentry to give her milk for her child, and thrust the tiny mite into his arms, then ran off, crying terribly. He opened the bundle and found the baby had been dead for days. Richard Dimbleby - BBC. I know a British veteran in my home town here in Australia who was with the 11 Armoured Division when they liberated Belsen. He can't bring himself to talk of the horrors he discovered even now. Yeah Joy the Holocaust was just one big comedy routine.....sorry
Submitted by Ozconservative on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 8:16pm.
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Submitted by mzk1 on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 6:50am.
That should get you a skipped line.More proof....
Submitted by Ashrak on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 8:18pm.
that progressive liberals can say absolutely anything and get a free pass.
Bill O can't say Muslims attacked this country on 9-11 without "outrage", but Joyless can say this? Really?
Unreal.
I bet the Japanese are yucking it up too.
Submitted by NeoKong on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 8:22pm.
Thousand dead and missing and no food, water or shelter but "Hey....at least we got to go swimming first"This suggests Behar is correct:
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 8:25pm.
source.
Jer
No humor at all?
Submitted by JakeMo on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 8:49pm.
Anyone can track my comments if they need proof of my anti-Behar bona fides. But on this one I don't share everyone's outrage.
I wasn't in a concentration camp and don't pretend to have been. But I've read Man's Search for Meaning, and I've experienced my own tragedies that I survived with humor right up to the worst point imaginable.
I've always been someone who jokes around when I shouldn't (that's what teachers told me as a kid). I suspect there were similar personalities in concentration camps. They may not have been popular. But I bet they were there.
Whether it's right to joke through sadness, I don't know. But I find it hard to believe there was no humor at all.
I'm not a fan of Behar either, JakeMo...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 9:14pm.
but the evidence appears to support her in this instance.
Jer
Big 'Hogan's Heros' fan, are ya, Jer?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:19pm.
One guy, one book. Pfft.
This sh*thead Behar warrants ZERO defense from you.
Sorry, but I am just shocked beyond belief that you would post that.
Are you addressing your outrage to JakeMo, SoL...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:45pm.
or just me? [ And it's more than "one guy and one book".]
Jer
It's better I don't reply
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:09pm.
Leave it at that.
But if I was forced to reply, I'd say that I'm sure if one dug hard enough, one could find some reference that cast a positive light on the Jews' contribution to medical research under the knife of Mengele.
Ludicrous analogy, SoL...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:17pm.
Do you think you could find a Jewish survivor of the death camps who would cast Mengele's medical research in a positive light? Be prepared to dig for a long, long time.
Jer
I'll start now
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:20pm.
It may take a few days.Of course you're right, Jer.
Submitted by 26CX on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 9:11pm.
People often make jokes about situations or things that are abhorrent as a means of coping with them.
I rest my case, CX
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 9:16pm.
JerJer,
Submitted by Ashrak on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:31pm.
Suggests?Jer
Submitted by Noel Sheppard on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:33pm.
C'mon, Jer! So, you found some unknown guy you and none of us has ever heard of that agrees with Behar. It's 2011. I can find people on the Internet that don't believe the Holocaust happened. What would that prove? I expect more from you, my old friend. nsI don't
Submitted by bretzysdude on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 5:59am.
I don't have any high expectations from Jer. This is typical of him.bretzysdude...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 4:30pm.
A year or so ago you announced you were curtailing your penchant for taking trollish potshots--and, to your credit, you followed through on that promise. I hope the above is an aberration rather than a signal you intend to resume your former behavior. JerNoel...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 5:07pm.
There are quite a few conservatives on this thread who agree with me and some additional links provided, such as this one. Are you singling me out because I'm a "lib" or because I'm an "old friend"? [If it's the latter, I don't mind.]
Jer
Up Yours, Jer!
Submitted by brutony1 on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 10:36am.
Ive always wanted to say that, and now I just did!When will liberals WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE! -Me
Just curious, brutony...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 4:36pm.
Why did you hold back in the past? I know...it was your unswerving commitment to decorous behavior and elevated discourse. [sarc off]
Jer
No, wasnt a member yet,,
Submitted by brutony1 on Fri, 03/18/2011 - 2:03am.
But now I am, and your days of going on here and posting whatever and getting away with it are OVER! I'll call you ass out, and make you pay the piper for some of your comments, like for this thread!When will liberals WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE! -Me
Woe is me...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 03/18/2011 - 2:13am.
My nearly four-year free ride has come to an end. The intrepid brutony1 is on my tail and will brook no further nonsense from me. This is very, very serious. What WILL I do?
Anxiously,
Jer
What a Disgrace this Sorry Excuse for A Woman is...
Submitted by gruyere cheese on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 8:53pm.
Maybe, the family of the victims of 9/11 joked about what happened to relieve stress...wait; the Katrina survivors did as well...and, yeah, the survivors of the 2001 Tsunami that hit Thailand also joked about it to relieve stress. This woman has the poop stored in her brain oozing out of her mouth - and she gets paid for it!Double Standard again...
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 9:11pm.
We all know if anything close to resembling this comment was made by a conservative, or God forbid, a Tea Party member, they would be torn apart by the media. I'm also sick of comedienne's thinking they have a free pass to say anything they want. Right and wrong apply to everyone.If they had....
Submitted by mzk1 on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 6:54am.
I would have been extremely outraged at the attacks, if a conservative had been attacked for saying this. I know which side is trying to prepare the ground for a second Holocaust, and which side is trying to stop it, and the Left is busy helping the first group. At the end of the day, that's all that matters.I bet "Joy" had alot of Candies and Sweets to eat this week
Submitted by OxyCon on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 9:24pm.
Isn't that how her type celebrates when a Jewish family gets massacred?Those whacky nazis , laugh at
Submitted by LAM SON 719 on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 9:42pm.
Those whacky nazis , laugh at minute " Hey Fritz shoot at her ankles and watch the way her boobs bounce".Jer
Submitted by Redrowan2000 on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 9:50pm.
Finding two articles and maybe more that support what this cretin said is not substantive evidence to support her and declare case closed . The overall horror of Babi Yar, Treblinka, Aushwitz, Buchenwald et al numbs the mind. I read almost everything Eli Wiesel wrote about the holocaust and read books by Simon Wiesenthal and independent studies on Babi Yar and the histories of others who survived and others who I knew. The mention of humor was never brought up when you are thinking about how to kill a rat for your next meal or the execution of children and elderly for sport in the camps. Or the possibility of paying a visit to the camp Dr. who happens to be called "The angel of death" or Mengele. But you keep finding those articles to defend her . That won't make you right, but it certainly does tag you as being very left to defend this horrific position. "Don't let the bastards grind you down."Red...Allow me to make a suggestion:
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:28pm.
Why don't you pay close attention to what I actually state in my posts and what is included in my links before you start popping off about how I am tagged and what I'm defending.
The evidence I cited is indeed substantive and it does support the claim of Behar [who, you should have noticed, is not one of my favorite persons]. But nowhere did I say the case is closed. The response to 26CX was a light-hearted quip--and nothing more--to his needling post about lawyers.
I'm very aware of the unspeakable horrors of the halocaust and the concentration camps. I sat in stunned disbelief when I first saw [over fifty years ago] the films documenting the colossal, sensory-staggering inhumanity which had occurred just a decade earlier.
I make no judgments about the propriety of humor in those awful circimstances. But, I heard a Marine veteran of Iwo say in response to those who criticized the "take no prisoners" viciousness of the battle: "We were there. They weren't." And I would submit that comment is likewise applicable to the issue of Jewish humor in the death camps. So take up your complaint with the Jews who survived and have talked and written about their experiences. Perhaps they are lying. But I'll let YOU tell them that.
Jer
In a sense, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:34pm.
that is the complaint against Behar, or at least partially.
She wasn't there.
MD
You rested your case, Jer.
Submitted by Ashrak on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:42pm.
You must admit that it is very easy to draw "case closed'" from that comment.
I ask you for your comments on this point. Joy is married to a Muslim. Let's say that it was said, especially to her, that Kuwaitees were laughing and joking to cope with Saddam's invasion in 1990. How would Joy be acting? I am betting she would be walking off the set as she did when a demonstrable, as opposed to implied, fact was said (that Muslims attacked this country on 9-11). How about you?
You claim not to be defending Joy, but you are doing exactly that. If you are not, then you are trolling just to stir the pot. So which is it?I am not accusing - I am asking.
What Joy said here in indefensible and would be eviscerated if anyone even remotely conservative said anything similar. Thus the double standard aspect of this. Kinda like the recent Maher comments that have ignored as if they never happened.
Pointing at something to keep spirits up and what joy said are two very different things. Surely you recognize this, don't you?
Ashrak...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:56pm.
So then, I assume you will also conclude that 26CX is serious when he said I was "right". How upset are you with him for endorsing my position?
You just don't get it, do you Ashrak?
Jer
I don't think you answered
Submitted by bretzysdude on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 6:01am.
I don't think you answered his question. Answer the question, Claire. If Joy was married to a Muslim, how would the situation be?Allow me to make a suggestion:
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:49pm.
1) What you state in your posts is your opinion, period. Just like me and everyone else.
2) Evidence? Links? You posted ONE link (FROM A COMEDY WEBSITE) that has a mere two references, and shitty ones at that. In fact, the two sources cited (which I did not bother to investigate) point to a grand total of nine pages in those two books where 'holocaust humor' may be mentioned.
Defending this vicious bastard Behar in this case is not a good move.
I understand that humor---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:04pm.
can often alleviate the dark with a little ray of sunshine.
That said, I am sure that even in the horrendous atmosphere permeating concentration camps that humor surfaced on occasion.
That said, given Behar's known life as a liberal airhead with a vicious streak, and the absolute fact that a conservative would have been excoriated for making those remarks, AND the fact that this is NewsBusters, I agree entirely that defending Behar was a bonehead move.
MD
Just a minute, Matthew....
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:10pm.
You can't say that ["humor surfaced on occasion"]. SoL will jump down your throat. That is, if his outrage is based on principle.
Jer
Actually, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:43pm.
I can say, state, aver, or propound on anything I choose, as can you, knowing that people here at NB's may or may not agree with me.
My opinion is just my opinion. I was not in the camps.
I understand completely why SoL is outraged, and I agree with him.
Humor; amid, among, or between concentration camp inmates, if it truly existed, for whatever reason, is one thing; but carrying on a discussion relating to that subject 70 years after the fact in no way removes the obligation to show a bit of deference to the bigger picture.
It appears to me, Jer, that in your haste to stick up for a liberal, as is your wont, you overlooked the fact that conservatives believe, and rightly, that had a conservative made those comments, hellfire would have been forthcoming from liberal mouthpieces.
As far as I'm concerned, the only pertinent principle involved at this site is the one that underlines liberal bias in the media.
You are attempting to split a hair unnecessarily.
There are few subjects indeed wherein nuance, whether only partially supporting or partially denigrating a principle, is not accepted.
Because of the very fact of it's existence, nuance is sometimes used when working towards establishing what is, or is not, a definitive truth.
MD
Listen to me, you sick SOB: how dare you??????
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:14pm.
;)Once again, SoL...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:19pm.
Your sense of humor gets you off of my sh!t list.
Jer
You're still on mine
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:22pm.
Tee hee.
Long Live Behar.
SoL
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:07pm.
Actually, two links, SoL...which are two more than you have posted. I'm presenting evidence which tends to support her claim. THAT'S ALL! If you prefer to wallow in ignorance, be my guest.
Now, why don't you move on to the others on the thread who also recognize the possible correctness of her claim and get all indignant with them.
Jer
I used up all my indignant on you.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:19pm.
Behar was right, and I'm sure she researched it thoroughly as she does everything else.
I will never doubt her or you again.
Peace.
Jer
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:55pm.
Behar didn't speak from any actual knowledge. My take on what she said was that it was a kind of off the cuff remark to defend Gottfried, because in her book no one who says they are in the field of "comedy" can be held accountable for anything they say no matter how vile. Now, if Mel Gibson was a comedienne (and not a Catholic who made "The Passion of the Christ") surely his vile comments would also be acceptable because he could have claimed he was joking.But Bahar is a libtard
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:33pm.
So what she really means, is libtards can make tasteless jokes.
Jer is playing naivety, he want to convince us there is a level playing field for this sort of thing..
Even in an unbelievably
Submitted by irishguy on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 9:53pm.
Even in an unbelievably horrific place as a concentration camp, I'm sure there was some humor to be found. It's just a way to endure the unendurable for some folks. For some it would be a way to inject a little humanity in an inhuman situation. That said, I still think Joy's a boob.At least no one will ever
Submitted by Jack Bauer on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:06pm.
At least no one will ever accuse Behar of making a joke.
I just watched an intensely moving documentary about the Kindertransport -- the effort to evacuate thousands of Jewish kids from Nazi Germany to England before war broke out in 1939.
It was narrated by Richard Attenborough, whose family virtually adopted two Jewish German sisters who were supposed to transport on to relatives in New York, but then Hitler invaded Poland and the rest is history.
No jokes there. Break your heart though to see such wickedness that would even torment little children.
All of the above Mr Obama? --- How about ALL OF THE BELOW, instead.
I think
Submitted by linnilu on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:25pm.
People in a horrific situation using humor to help stay alive and get through what they are going through is mighty different than someone sitting in safety thousands of miles away, using humor to draw attention to themselves. What Behar and Gottfried did was tasteless beyond compare. People who survived a concentration camp or something as awful as the Japan earthquake have earned the right to whatever humor gets them through it. Behar has earned a boot to the head. Gottfried earned getting fired.Are you kidding me??????
Submitted by djwolf12 on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:27pm.
She walked off the set with Bill O'Reilly and she has the gall to say this on her show???????? Joy needs to be fired like yesterday.She is one stupid Jew!
Submitted by Armymom on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:51pm.
She is one stupid Jew!No, she's a stupid ex-Catholic
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:53pm.
Now an enlightened atheist.It's going to suck to be Joy
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:57pm.
when she dies and becomes truly enlightened...Armymom
Submitted by Noel Sheppard on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:06pm.
Armymom, That's offensive, and I'd like your apology. This is a conservative website, not a liberal one. We don't tolerate such bigotry OR stupidity here. Not that it's important, but as another member stated, Behar isn't Jewish. Do the right thing and apologize to all your fellow members you offended - including me. nsATTENTION BEHAR:
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:27pm.
If you're reading this thread (and I know you will), Jer really isn't all that into you.SoL (Funnyman)~
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 12:22am.
Hahahahahaha! Okay, I've had my little laugh, at Jer's expense. Actually, that was my second laugh at Jer's expense today. I'm sorry, Jer. :( I guess I've been like a little sister brat today. *_*
As for Behar's comments...no, there really are not words for that. That I will never understand.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Stupid comments coming from Behar are expected. Still,
Submitted by Rush Fan on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 1:43am.
If I had the power, I would force her to sit and watch World War II newsreels, such as this one. I can't help but believe that even Behar would realize that there is nothing humorous about the horrors of Nazi concentration camps, and "Man's inhumanity to man".
Would Behar find comic relief in watching Palestine residents in Gaza recently handing out candy to celebrate the horrible murders of an Israeli family, including the stabbing to death of three children, including a baby?
It makes you wonder how far humans have really evolved.
No Surprise
Submitted by bobbys on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 3:19am.
No Surprise the People that have endorsed 50 million baby's being killed think people waiting to be Killed were telling Henny Youngman{ take my wife.. Please} and Groucho {Lydia O lydia the tattoo lady} type jokes to each other.Actually...
Submitted by mrbuddhafreak on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 3:28am.
Behar was right about there being humor in the camps. Humor is a natural coping mechanism that can survive even the greatest horrors. But what stress what Gilbert Gottfreid relieving? He isn't in Japan. He's not in any danger from radiation. So, in the end, her defense of him is a strawman argument that doesn't actually cover his mistake. Confession: I have a sick sense of humor and have told more than my own share of 'burn in hell' jokes. Somehow this story brought one to mind. Suits the story, even though I'm sure its not new. Camp guard to prisoner: "Jew, if you don't have sex with this pig, we will shoot you." Prisoner: "Never! It would be an abomination before God. Anything else, perhaps, but this I will not do!" Guard: "This once, we will make an exception, IF instead you have sex with Joy Behar." Prisoner: (pauses)...Is the pig still available? My apologies. I truly am a sick person.Have you read any of my other comments?
Submitted by mzk1 on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 4:24am.
If you've read anything I've written, you'd know that I really am not the sort for defending Behar. My usual response to the posts here about her is, "I hope she isn't Jewish". (Behar is a pretty common Eastern Jewish name. It appears she isn't, thank heaven.) I am well aware of how horrific it was in the camps. I cannot say I am aware of what happened, because no-one who was not there can be. Of course, the Germans (and their many enthusiastic helpers among the Lithuanians, Romanians, etc.) had other methods; my great-grandfather was born in Kosov, and almost every Jew there was massacred. However, from what I have read of my people's history, there was always humor in adversity. Anti-semite jokes are probably the largest segement of Jewish humor; all you have to do is plug in this year's would-be Haman or Hitler. I do not recall anything specific regarding the camps; I will try to find out.Yes. WE GET IT. You screwed
Submitted by bretzysdude on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 6:05am.
Yes. WE GET IT. You screwed up. Move on now, but next time realize no one sees the humor. No one.While I don't think
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 8:43am.
that prisoners in the death camps had much strength or mental agility left to joke about what they were experiencing I wouldn't exclude the possibility that this happened.
But in anyway the comparison Behar drew is false in that she tries to defend comments by a bystander thousands of miles away with the gallows humor some might have employed when living through and actually experiencing the horror of the Holocaust.
That there was contrarian humor in the Third Reich is shown by the letter Sigmund Freud had to write after he "visited" the GeStaPo to give assurance that he wasn't maltreated:
To Whom It May Concern:
I can heartily recommend the Gestapo to anyone.
Sigmund Freud
Another example of such humor:
As Hitler's armies faced more and more setbacks, he asked his astrologer, "Am I going to lose the war?"
"Yes," the astrologer said.
"Then, am I going to die?" Hitler asked.
"Yes."
"When am I going to die?"
"On a Jewish holiday."
"But on what holiday?"
"Any day you die will be a Jewish holiday."
Has she ever....
Submitted by scout on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 10:08am.
Has this dingbat EVER said anything that was not abundantly stupid? I don't routinely watch The View, but I do occasionally peek in on liberal media, and so far I have never been disappointed, they always seem to be saying or doing something that is totally inane. But if Ms Behar is in such a hurry to comment on the nature of life in a Concentration camp, perhaps she should run on down to Gitmo and put in a formal request to be locked up and left alone in solitary, without any care for a year or two, then she can do something that liberals rarely if ever accomplish...to actually speak from experience.Jer
Submitted by Redrowan2000 on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 10:15am.
Nice use of convoluted logic and a false equivalency to defend one of your own beloved libs. Law school taught you so much. especially how to mire a simple example of stupidity and defend it. Hey 1st amendment is protected and you can dig up as much as you want to defend her. Funny though I never heard you defend Rush , Beck or Palin. And as for your sarcasm about me telling the Jews anything I find it insulting but typical of you. "Don't let the bastards grind you down."Red...Since you and I have been members of NB about the same
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 4:19pm.
length ot time, I can only assume you have either missed the occasions where I have defended Rush, Beck and Palin, or that you are deliberately lying in order to coalesce the opinion of your fellow conservatives against me. That it may indeed be the latter case is buttressed by your patently false depiction of Behar as being "one of [my] own beloved libs".
My suggestion that YOU tell the Jewish survivors--who have written about the use of humor in concentration camps as a coping mechanism--that they are lying was not sarcasm. I meant every word of it, since I have done nothing more than allude to and link evidence which suggests that it did occur at some level to some degree among some internees. So, once again, I think your offended sensibilities--and your denials and disbelief--would be better directed against the source of the testimonials rather than the person linking them.
By the way, as you should by now be aware, there are several conservative commenters who have posted their concurrences with Behar's essential point. Do you also believe Behar to be one of THEIR beloved libs--they point out, as have I, that they are no fan of Behar--or do you believe they simply lack your intelligence and wisdom.
Jer
Jer
Submitted by Redrowan2000 on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 5:22pm.
Ok Jer I totally agree with your latter statement. It takes a big man to admit it. Your not so dumb as others say. Oh 2 other points on digging for Mengele supporters dig , dig dig , then jump in. The quote from your marine friend although not original is also non relevant. "Don't let the bastards grind you down."The quoted words, Red, were those of a combat veteran
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 5:47pm.
of Iwo Jima who was interviewed for the purposes of a documentary aired on the Military Channel, and it is entirely relevant to the issue at hand. Perhaps if you had seen the documentary you would understand. On the other hand, you have demonstated an inability or unwillingness to comprehend things which you have in fact seen, or of which you should be aware--as evidenced, for example, by your refusal to capitalize "Marine".
Jer
Jer
Submitted by Redrowan2000 on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 8:37pm.
You must pride yourself on being pedantic in nature. However, if you want me to go back to posts on this page I'm sure you would have the excuse that your spell check was broken. You will probably scramble back to correct your spelling mistakes before I copy and paste, but then anyone so insecure as you can only make your point by pointing out a capitalization error. Don't forget Jer I saw your spelling mistakes at the beginning of this and didn't point them out until now . You picked a losing horse defending Behar and her statement . Unless you want to take a poll on this issue. I'll go with the majority. How about it Jer.? By the way Jer its circumstance not circimstance. "Don't let the bastards grind you down."Red....
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 9:02pm.
No, I'm not pedantic in nature--and certainly no spelling Nazi, nor have I ever used spell check. But when someone is using ad hominem arguments and making false representations about me, I have no compunction about noting a failure to capitalize "Marine".
However, you do have a good pot/kettle point. I made a worse error by not only misspelling but also not capitalizing "Holocaust" in an earlier post. So, touche`.
Jer
But, please...circimstance? An obvious typo. I have been making more and will continue to do so as long as the formatting and type font issues continue.
Btw, you forgot to put an apostrophe in "it's". :-)
Jer
Submitted by Redrowan2000 on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 9:05pm.
You are an honest man, for admitting your mistake but, you are also wrong on the Behar issue. Happy Saint Patricks day. "Don't let the bastards grind you down"Thanks, O'Redrowan...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 9:15pm.
and backatcha.
O'Jer
Yes they sure did make jokes!
Submitted by JLin on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 10:37am.
.... in between gleaning pieces of insects and twigs to eat at Dachau and Sobibor. And this woman is Jewish. Surprised she didn't have a light-hearted quip about Zyklon B.Behar is not Jewish.
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 5:57pm.
Behar is a lapsed Roman Catholic.And still
Submitted by mrbuddhafreak on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 10:29pm.
She manages to be a yente....go figure.One more thing....
Submitted by JLin on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 10:38am.
And she gets paid a LOT of money to do this. Staggering.I'm pretty sure I would have...
Submitted by Plumb Bob on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 11:09am.
...made some jokes in that situation, good taste or no. She's probably correct. That does not change the fact that Ms. Behar is dumber than a bag of armadillos. And meaner, too. I simply can't imagine paying somebody to be that mean, and that idiotic. Or watching it for entertainment. But she's probably right about this one.It doesn't matter if she's "right" or not~
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 11:27am.
Does someone who was not in a concentration camp think they have something to say about it? This should be your standard on what you say: FIRST DO NOT HARM.
When it comes to the Holocaust, most people on this thread are thinking with their hearts, not their heads -- as it should be.
For anyone else who thinks they have something to say on this thread, please give it some more thought.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Yeah, actually it does matter
Submitted by Lgbpop on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 11:36am.
Yeah, actually it does matter if she's right or not. I'm tired of leftist idiots being given a pass because they're so willing to tolerate state-sponsored death, whether before birth or afterward. She is a fool and a hypocrite. Frankly, I think you are as well, given some of your from-the-heart support of the Palestinian thugs I've seen in the past.Lgbpop~
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 11:52am.
Whaaaaat? I said nobody should be intellectually arguing for Behar about something so sensitive. And what on earth are you talking about after that? Oh, never mind. I did a check on you -- you're a troll. Sigh. Just another one...
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
So GG, you are denying you own even one kuffiya?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 12:01pm.
LOL
SoL~no, not even one :)
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 12:04pm.
LOL! The Funnyman is always a welcome sight. ;)"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
I think he confused you with Gaza Girl, another popular poster
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 12:09pm.
OK, I'm done ;)
SoL~
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 12:18pm.
You're never done! But I love that about you. You're always clever, funny or insightful. We should pay you $1 a word.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
luv u 2
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 12:28pm.
;)If it wasn't for SoL*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 12:35pm.
I wouldn't even be reading this damn thread.
Hey, Caj~another one of my favorites:)
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 12:47pm.
Well, Behar did it to me again. Whenever I see a Behar blog, my inclination is to run away because nothing good can ever come from it. She really gets under my skin.
But in this case, I was so bothered by her insensitivity and the spin-off on the thread that I waded in...and what did I get for it? A troll. Oh, goodie goodie!
Yep, nothing good ever comes from reading what Behar is up to...^_^
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Agree GG*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 1:37pm.
One must be careful. Stupidity is infectious.
Georgia Girl---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 6:33pm.
for what it's worth, I got a great laugh out of Lgbpop's assertions regarding your left leaning.
Lgbpop = Large brain, pretty obviously purposeless.
MD
MD~
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 6:44pm.
Actually, so did I. I've never been accused of being left-leaning! ;)"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
GG supporting the turban and robe bedecked camel hygienists???
Submitted by Dave. on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 7:42pm.
Somehow I seriously doubt that.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Oy...
Submitted by Lgbpop on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 11:30am.
yet conventional wisdom calls Sarah Palin stupid. How many votes did Governor Behar get?TROLL: Lgbpop
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 11:46am.
."If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
See what I mean GG?
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 8:16pm.
GG, move away from the Troll
Caj~
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 8:39pm.
Will do. :)"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
GG...Follow my instructions very closely.
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 8:35pm.
Lean forward. Now lean left. You'll be just fine.
Jer
No way, Jer~
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 8:39pm.
That's dangerous! ;)"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
I lost an uncle in the holocost!
Submitted by tvhall on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 11:44am.
He fell out of his guard tower!Nice to know you can still call someone a NAZI
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 7:57pm.
Without offending them?
Yea I know, going to my room |: (
This woman needs to go back
Submitted by Hologram5 on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 11:49am.
This woman needs to go back to the doughnut shop and STFU... She utterly disgusts me.This dimwitted broad
Submitted by Patriot II on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 12:47pm.
is so freaking pitifully stupid, its unbelievable! who in hell let her out of the box?Has anyone actually heard of those supposed jokes?
Submitted by CobraMan on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 1:47pm.
Has anyone, anyone at all, actual heard of any of those supposed jokes that the concentration victims supposedly made during their captivity? I doubt that very highly. Sure, some people may CLAIM that happened, but there's absolutely no evidence to support that claim.
Yes, humor is sometimes used a s a coping mechanism during stressful situations, but that only occurs when there is the knowledge that the stress will abate some time in the near future. That humor comes from HOPE, not DESPAIR. When all hope is lost, so is humor.
Oh, and by the way, what kind of humor could you actually find when you know that your very laughter would, most likely, get you killed by those who have imprisoned you? Jews laughing about their situation when any attempt to display any emotion but despair will result in their immediate execution? Not likely!
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Yeah. Simple Google search.
Submitted by dave_worrell on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 3:59pm.
It really is undeniable that Jews really did make jokes about their situation, even in the concentration camps. Doesn't make Behar a good person, doesn't make her defense of Gottfried a valid one, but what she said about humor in concentration camps is accurate and documented. It shouldn't surprise anyone. Humor is a defense mechanism and a coping mechanism. Of course it was used in concentration camps. As one survivor said in one link I found, "To not do so would be to die before you were dead."
A pretty basic Google search should net you many, many examples. Here are a couple:
http://www.holocaust-trc.org/holocaust_humor.htm Beyond the fantasies, humor helped prisoners to face the reality of their predicament without going insane. Frankl described being in a group who were shaved of every hair and then herded into showers. "The illusions some of us still held were destroyed one by one, and then, quite unexpectedly, most of us were overcome by a grim sense of humor. We knew that we had nothing to lose except our ridiculously naked lives. When the showers started to run, we all tried very hard to make fun, both about ourselves and about each other. After all, real water did flow from the sprays!"16
http://web.macam98.ac.il/~ochayo/absractn.html Gallows humor ...And I would say: 'Guys, eat and you will see what kind of flame will come out of us Yes eat, and what a flame'! Why? If we are fat it will help the Muselmanns to burn, since we have a flame, we will help, You understand? ...Two Jews meet in Warsaw and one of them is eating perfumed soap, the other asks: 'Moyshe, why are you eating soap with such a scent'? He answers: 'If they turn me into soap, I might as well smell nice'. ...'Entering through the gate is exiting through the chimney'
...I am talking about Plashow, the end of 1943, they built the camp over a former cemetery. Many horrible things were happening there. When we were standing there during muster in the rain, stomping our feet against the cold, it happened quite often that a bone would stick out. We would say: 'This is your Grandfather, that is your uncle'. We didn't know on whose grave we were trampling. It was also a kind of gallows humor. ...We had no soap at Plashow either, who is talking about soap? We used to say: Wait, wait till we get to Auschwitz, they will make soap out of us. At Plashow we already knew about Auschwitz, I told you, and they used to say: Yes, wait there we will have soap there they have a personal soap industry..
...Look, without humor we would all have committed suicide. We made fun of everything. What I'm actually saying is that that helped us remain human, even under hard conditions. ...But don't think that it is possible for people in such situations not to have any humor and satire. This is impossible, it is a kind of defense mechanism.
...There were all kinds of groups that built around them defense mechanisms, so there were those who exchanged recipes all day. We were supposed to stay on our bunks on Sundays through the bunks recipes were passed how much sugar, how much flour how much this or that. Someone next to me gave many recipes and all of a sudden her mood changed and she didn't want to participate they asked if I knew what happened to her I said 'I think I think she burned her cake...' ...Food was not enough, we were very sad, so I said: 'there is a way, if we could get hold of a magnifying glass it would right away magnify our portions, how can we get one'?
Is this National Dairy Week?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 3:04pm.
It's not?
Then why is Sherri Shepherd wearing a Holstein cow costume???
SoL---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 6:04pm.
to demonstrate her solidarity with "Moo-chelle".
MD
MD:
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 6:50pm.
True dat!
ps: I am not venturing north of this post ;)
There are those...
Submitted by bigdaddy on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 4:51pm.
...who consider Joyless Behar's show cruel and inhuman torture...This stupid thread may rival the epic 'Incestmo vs Society' one
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 7:13pm.
Behar must be getting a real thrill out of this. Maybe she'll give NB a H/T on her fabulously successful cable show.
Rumor has it she may be lecturing next about cannibalism in Nazi concentration camps. I'm sure there's a few stories floating around about that, too.
But do we want go there?
Agree SoL*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 8:07pm.
I am somewhat disappointed that NB would even post this thread. Whether or not the Jews made jokes about their suffering and pending deaths is none of our business. We do not have the right to make jokes or make light of this horror in our world history.
Just a reminder of what we are talking about.
Small doses of perspective and hopefully end this thread
Absolutely Deuce
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 03/17/2011 - 8:26pm.
The folks who lived this horror making jokes about the times, is worlds away from others making jokes. I am getting very concerned about folks making light and accusations of those times. 10's maybe 100's of millions of horrible deaths,,,, so funny.
Mao, Hitler and Stalin were such a riot.
jokes about the Jews
Submitted by wilson09 on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 1:11pm.
I never watch the program for obvious reasonsbut have seen clips on other programs as to the ignorant stupid remarks, i say fire the stupid b!!!!