Eleanor Clift and Bill Press: 'U.S. Auto Industry Stronger Than It Ever Was'
Does a sycophantic devotion to the President make liberal media members lose all connection to reality?
Before you answer, consider that on Friday, Newsweek's Eleanor Clift and liberal radio host Bill Press actually said on PBS's "McLaughlin Group" the U.S. auto industry is stronger than it ever was (video follows with transcript and commentary):
BILL PRESS: Then there was the auto bailout. Our auto industry is stronger than it ever was today. It was a George Bush program continued by Barack Obama. If he had not continued those two programs, we’d be in the toilet still today.
JOHN MCLAUGHLIN, HOST: You say the auto industry is stronger than it ever has been?
PRESS: Yes, it is.
ELEANOR CLIFT, NEWSWEEK: Yes it is.
PAT BUCHANAN: No it is not.
MONICA CROWLEY: No.
PRESS: GM reported its first profits, John.
MCLAUGHLIN: I know that. I know that.
CLIFT: Well, General Motors now has a nice fat share of the market in China. They have recovered, excuse me, and millions of jobs have been saved.
Where do they get this stuff?
The American automobile industry has certainly recovered from its bottom a few years ago, but to suggest that it is stronger than it ever has been is either a flat out lie or totally ignorant.
As Bloomberg reported in January:
Toyota Motor Corp. was the world’s largest automaker for a third year in 2010 as a recovery in global vehicle demand outweighed a decline in U.S. sales.
Toyota’s sales, including its luxury Lexus marque and deliveries from affiliates Daihatsu Motor Co. and Hino Motors Ltd., rose 8 percent to 8.42 million units in 2010, the automaker said in a statement today. General Motors Co., the second-ranked car company, said in a separate statement that worldwide deliveries gained 12 percent to 8.39 million.
Remember the good old days when two of the three top companies by total sales worldwide would be American?
Apparently Clift and Press don't.
As for GM's market share in China, here's what the Wall Street Journal had to say about that just last Monday:
GM’s remarkable progress in China, the world’s largest auto market, hasn’t been very remarkable of late. GM’s market share fell from 13.2% to 11.4% year-over-year – and profits were down by almost a third.
As such, contrary to Clift's assertion, GM's "nice fat share of the market in China" is not only not very fat, but is also on the decline. And, as the Journal pointed out, so is its stock price:
After almost hitting $40 in early January, GM’s shares are now back down to their offering price of $33. [...]
[I]f Wall Street is so enthusiastic about GM, then why did its shares drop almost 5% after last Thursday’s earnings announcement, its first since the IPO?
And why has GM underperformed the S&P 500 by 15% since the start of the year?
Actually, GM shares closed under their IPO price Friday:
Despite this, one imagines Clift and Press still think the company is doing better than it ever has.
After all, even though you're supposedly a journalist, you wouldn't want to let little things like facts get in the way when there's a President you love in desperate need of your support.
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Comments
It is unbelievable...
Submitted by merly1 on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 6:31pm.
the auto industry is still teetering, as is our economy, and these knuckleheads make these ridiculous claims???? It really is like: WAR? what war?........DEFICIT? what deficit? etc etc
Let me guess = America's job market is stronger than it has even been, right?
Willful ignorance
Submitted by jdlybrand on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 6:36pm.
The very same people who claim 'Tea Party' people are uneducated. :-0
"What a revoltin' development this is!"
Chester Riley
Yea, their doing so well
Submitted by Boudin on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 6:36pm.
You will be begging us to bail them out again, any day.
When I saw Press and Clift on the panel . . .
Submitted by Galvanic on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 10:20pm.
. . . this morning, I expected the conversation would be crazy, and I was not disappointed. They looked like a couple of Muppets up there.
To claim that our auto industry is stronger than ever is a total ignorance of American history. Uttering such idiocy is evidence of their lack of knowledge let alone intellect.
The real test for GM will be the rising cost of gasoline. Will orders for the Chevy Volt rise significantly as the price grows? If not, GM will flat-line again.
According to these suck-ups...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 6:46pm.
it's stronger (although this isn't true) not simply as a result of President Bush's program (although many disagree with it), but because Obama continued it...Well of course it is, just by virtue of the fact that "The One" had anything to do with it...kind of like the Midas Touch. Of course though, by that reckoning, the economy should have 0% unemployment by now, the housing industry should be humming along, and prices on everything from gas to food should be dropping. Hmmm...I guess there goes their theory, huh??
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Perspective
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 6:41pm.
From Clift's and Press's point of view, the Auto Industry is stronger then it's ever been. Equity owners were almost wiped out, bond holders lost tons of money, and the union took over a good chunck of the industry.
You can't get much stronger then that!
(And, btw, when you wipe out most of your bond payments, it's pretty easy to make money.)
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
PBS & the Obama
Submitted by Miss_Me_Yet on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 6:52pm.
PBS & the Obama administration, perfect together. I wouldn't expect any less from these two left wing bomb throwers.
Well actually ever since they've put that bong filled with salvia next to the Kool - Aid and Ring Dings in the green room, they have been a lot further out there.....and we're the ones stuck paying for it.
Liberals ... we can't live with them, they couldn't survive without us ...
The mascot of Obama's GM bailout was the Volt. How's that..
Submitted by Gary Hall on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 6:57pm.
The mascot of Obama's GM bailout was the Volt.
How's that working out?
Consumer Reports: GM's Volt 'doesn't really make a lot of sense'
Shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone with half a noggin.
(;~> gary
Couple things with this...
Submitted by bkeyser on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 6:58pm.
First- they're obviously overstating their position. I don't know what led up to these ridiculous statements, but apparently Press and Clift felt the need to aggrandize the President. They simply should have made the point that the auto makers are better off than they were two years ago and left it alone.
Second- in order to lavish praise on the President, they must first qualify it by stating that Bush started it and Obama simply followed his lead. This is becoming more commonplace. Anyone else notice this? The irony beacon is working overtime here.
And third- while the specifics of their statements are utterly ludicrous, GM and Mopar are better off now than in '09. The question though is why? Surely if we were all given massive amounts of other people's money, our personal fortunes would be improved. But not only that, GM and Mopar cut bloat, sold off assets, reduced labor wages through layoffs and renegotiation, and benefited through what was arguably an unlawful application of the bankruptcy laws.
So, combined with handouts, there was a certain amount of austerity involved in helping to turn around the US auto industry. Something these democrats don't seem to either admit, or want to use to help turn around the country's fortunes.
Regardless, any gains are likely short-lived since the majority shareholder has been able to install a pawn for a CEO and dictate the direction of the company(s) based upon a political belief rather than market forces. Chevy sold something like 281 Volts last month. Even with something like a 14% discount through rebates funded by -well, us- Chevy still can't push this thing beyond a few local Democratic administration's fleet vehicles. The future does not look bright, and I think it's reflected in the stock price.
Debt
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 7:18pm.
At the end of 2008, GM had close to $52 billion in short and long-term debt. After the re-org, at the end of 2010, GM had only $14 billion in debt. It's pretty easy to turn a profit when you remove the related debt service on $38 billion.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
Eleaner the putz that lied for Billy Clinton
Submitted by texriot on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 7:02pm.
This perpetual lying bag should research how many GM products are bought by the Government. If it wasn't for all the government bought GM vehicles it would have been doomed years ago. More tax funded deception.
History
Submitted by Agnostic on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 7:06pm.
A knowledge of history and economics once agains evades the grasp of the media.
This is why I wonder why the
Submitted by gopsteve on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 7:14pm.
This is why I wonder why the Administration bothers to send members to these shows to speak for their cause when the media are already too happy to carry Obama's water...
doing better than ever.......?
Submitted by Herbster on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 7:34pm.
Stock price in the toilet......sold 200 some odd Chevy (Re) Volts in February......obambi permitted them to carry forward billions in debt so they could show a phoney profit.......if you ran a company and did that you'd be a guest at Club Fed and bunk with Mr. Madoff. Eleanor is a practicing moron.....I think they keep this ignoramus on the show for laughs. Bill Press? No comment is necessary. Have a great week. By the way, I'm in the market for a new car.....It'll either be a Ford, Hyundai, or Toyota product. GM? No. Chysler? HELL no,
I'm with you
Submitted by CommanderTaya on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 8:34pm.
the Chevy Impala lease is up at the end of the month and it will be either a Toyota or Honda. No Obama Motors for me either. Sad day in my life for refusing to buy "American" but we're not alone. Ford's residual value is just not there, so no go for that choice.
Elenor Clift...
Submitted by P. Aaron on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 7:38pm.
...been chewin' on the Chevy Volt's power cables.
PBS
Submitted by grammajane on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 7:41pm.
And PBS continues to beg for money and to write/call your congressmen to stop any attempt to stop tax-payers from funding these uneducated radical libs. Clift must think millions of Americans are stupid enough to believe any word she blabs. Has she ever stated a true statement??
Did you know that Eleanor is
Submitted by LAM SON 719 on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 8:04pm.
Did you know that Eleanor is the love child of Helen Thomas Noam Chomsky.
PBS: OBAMA REPORTS,WE REPEAT.
Phew I thought
Submitted by 10ksnooker on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 8:13pm.
She meant the UAWs health care company, that incidentally makes cars ...
When you dump tens of billions of tax dollars and dump all your bond holders, anything is possible. It will be a cold day in hell before I ever by an Obama Motors car.
Related BS passed on CBS Sunday Morning Today
Submitted by clayusmcret on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 8:12pm.
CBS's Sunday Morning ran a coffee-spitting pro-obama "news article" this morning. While the video was showing gas at $4.19 in a major market (it's hovering just under $3.50 here in rural eastern NC), the commentator was saying "yes gas prices are going to get higher and food prices are rising" followed with words to the effect that everyone should be cool, everything's ok, things are going well. I got online and raised hell with them for being a mouthpiece for obama. I must not have been the only one.
Later in the program after they had moved on to other stories, completely out of their normal programming style, CBS Sunday Morning ran a follow-on clip from the same economist who said "The American economy is still on top and we're not expected to fall out of the top spot for several decades." How sweet. We're not expected to fall for several decades so no need to take actions to protect us in the future. By then it'll be someone else's problem so move along, nothing to see here.
Maybe Billyboy and Eleanor
Submitted by RMR on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 8:24pm.
Maybe Billyboy and Eleanor meant to say " US LIBERAL BIAS" is stronger than it ever was.
US Auto Industry
Submitted by Ruckweiler on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 8:59pm.
These two are crazy. The City of Detroit under Mayor Bing is bulldozing and clearing many square miles of the destroyed city and considering FARMING on about 39 square miles of the approximately 150 square miles of the City. Sounds like a rebirth of the Motor City to me. When you include the lost jobs and civic destruction all over the region, these two must not get out often.
Ruckweiler,
Submitted by Agnostic on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 9:10pm.
When you consider that many of the far left beleive we must return to an agrarian culture in order to force equal outcomes then the leveling of Detroit is seen as a giant step forward by many.
Sad that Detroit, home of a large population of Muslims, is being destroyed and Ground Zero has yet to be built upon and yet Dubai has built itself into a major international city since 9-11. Too many people in America no longer believe in the exceptionalism of the American way of life.
I am not blaming Islam for this one. Just illustrating what Islam is seeing in the US.
GM hasn't paid back one cent
Submitted by Miss_Me_Yet on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 9:28pm.
GM hasn't paid back one cent of their original loan. It's all an Obama administration scam perpetrated against the American people.
Remember last year when the new CEO of GM went on TV to state we've completely paid of our government ( taxpayer ) funded loan? Technically he was telling the truth, while at the same time lying directly to the American people. The administration gave them a second, back room, hush, hush loan at 2%. Actually more like a line of credit.
They used this second loan to completely pay off the first one, without ever disclosing this information publicly. The president is scamming the American people regarding his illicit dealings.
As we found out from Rep. Bachmann today about 1.3 trillion of slush fund money hidden away in ObamaCare, this GM / corrupt union / corrupt president deal is just the tip of the illegal activities ( stealing from us ) undertaken by this president.
There's also the matter of $ 1 trillion in stimulus money which is gone with no accounting of where it actually went. Also the billions in interest paid back by the banks in the form of bail out interest, touted by the president as one of his great accomplishments, somehow that to is missing in action.
We have a commoncriminal living and operating his criminal enterprise directly out of our White House. Why do you suppose that is?
http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2010/04/how-did-gm-pay-off-the-loans-early.html
Liberals ... we can't live with them, they couldn't survive without us ...
Re: Volt
Submitted by Jack Bauer on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 9:37pm.
Talking American car industry. Know why they called it the Chevy VOLT?
Because they couldn't fit...
Vastly Overpriced Lousy Transportation on the grill.
All of the above Mr Obama? --- How about ALL OF THE BELOW, instead.
Apart from pontificating
Submitted by Jack Bauer on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 9:56pm.
Apart from pontificating about stuff about which she knows bugger all -- what has Elenor Clift EVER DONE?
Who the HELL is she for crying out loud?
All of the above Mr Obama? --- How about ALL OF THE BELOW, instead.
She's a black widow of sorts
Submitted by stratman on Mon, 03/07/2011 - 4:11pm.
She's a black widow of sorts - married twice, widowed twice. First marriage to the brother of Montgomery Clift, second to a reporter from my hometown paper.
My thought is they succumbed to her mellifluous voice. Honestly, the sound (and smell) of escaping gas from a sun-bloated dead animal carcass is less unnerving.
Other than her support (against all facts) for the Clintons, for which she earned the moniker "Eleanor 'Rodham' Clift", she has done nothing more than you or I to rank as political pundit.
Strat, really?
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 03/07/2011 - 4:13pm.
Montgomery Clift's brother? Who knew? I never made that connection before. Whoa.
BTW, I think we'd be great political pundits. Actually, we are great political pundits. :)
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
People are missing the sleight of hand here
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 10:17pm.
Given all the money that was given to GM, their having any positive trend shown at this time is easily explainable as due to this taxpayers' money which brought down their cost to do business by that amount.
Heck, if you gave any business the money to run, it would show a profitable outlook while it consumed that money. This is obviously deceptive and the whole bs is politically motivated to boot.
Yep
Submitted by Galvanic on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 10:52pm.
The White House and the Obama-cult want us to believe that diverting the TARP funds to bailout GM not only saved the industry, but will make profits for the taxpayers.
And by ignoring the real math -- that is to say, by attempting to divert our attention from the facts -- we will believe that socialism is the model for economic restoration.
The only people saved by this sham are those of the UAW, whose pensions are tied to GM stock and whose health care depends on the survival of this failed corporation.
The only benefit
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 03/09/2011 - 5:36pm.
of the bailout of Generous Motors, now Government Motors, was to the co-owners of said Corporation, the UAW. Their members are getting a check, or got a check already, in the area of $4K average, as a bonus, apparently for their sterling work in building cars no one will buy.
I just want to know where our dividend check is, they used our money to bail them out, and erase the holdings of the stock holders. And, the UAW gets the bonus? This stinks worse than the dead sardines washing up in Ca.
Pure Idiocy.
Submitted by Ashrak on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 10:18pm.
To the leftists, it is somehow a display of strength to stand down, actually bow down, and lsee someone else have first place. Doing that, apparently, makes you more number onw than when you are actually numebr one.
Unions and government intervention killed the American auto industry. It has been a long, slow and very painful death. It has recently been put on life support but that will not suffice if the cancers are not themselves removed. I suppose that industry could have survived one or the other, but both together did it in.
Stronger than it ever was?
Submitted by GregE on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 10:30pm.
Yea, it's so much stronger today than it was during the decades that it absolutely ruled the auto-world completely. Those days for auto makers, golly gee those sure were horrible times compared to today.
Pass me the bong next.
No Where Near the Peak Years
Submitted by BW222 on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 10:35pm.
In the late 1940s through the mid 1960s, the U.S, auto industry dominated the world. GM, Ford and, to a lesser extent, Chrysler totally controlled the North American market and had subsidiaries in Europe and Australia.
Look at the top five nameplates from that era:
1. Chevrolet
2, Ford
3. Plymouth
4. Pontiac
5. Oldsmobile
Notice anything about 3,4 and 5?
World War II
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Mon, 03/07/2011 - 10:48am.
Helped the U.S. auto industry, just a tad.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
I wish I could get some ...
Submitted by NL207 on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 10:47pm.
of the stuff Eleanor Clift is drinking.
If she thinks the US auto industry has never been stronger, than she must know nothing about the 1950's and 60's.
The "big three" enjoyed about 45% of the new car market in 2010. If I am not mistaken, their share was well over 90% in 1960, including at least 6 labels no longer made. Studebaker. Plymouth. Pontiac. Oldsmobile. Rambler. International.. In '56, Packard, Hudson and DeSoto were still producing. Kaiser ceased production in '55. Edsel ran for 3 years. There have literally been hundreds of US auto manufacturers.
How many are there today, Eleanor?
I've listened to the clip several times
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 11:19pm.
and I don't hear Eleanor Clift agreeing with Press's boneheaded statement. There's a lot of cross-talk. Press is an idiot. Although, I doubt that even he believes the American automobile industry is stronger than it ever has been. But who knows. Stupid people say stupid things.
Jer
Press' idiocy does not ....
Submitted by NL207 on Wed, 03/09/2011 - 5:33pm.
excuse Clift's silent agreement with him.Eleanor Clift did not disagree with Press nor did she correct him. Ergo, she tacitly agreed with him.
You forgot to include
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/09/2011 - 6:38pm.
the [sarc] sign. There's no way you could be typing that nonsense with a straight face.
Clift was attempting to quickly inject her own point. She was under no legal, moral, or ethical obligation to amend, clarify, or reject the assertion by Press.
As such, her failure to do so was neither an expressed nor implied endorsement of his claim.
Jer
Jumping off the Clift's own
Submitted by Miss_Me_Yet on Wed, 03/09/2011 - 6:58pm.
Jumping off the Clift's own assertions ( by the way El said yes when Press was making a bigger fool of himself than usual ) that GM was doing swimmingly, due to sales in China, was nothing more than an incorrect, tow the White House line endorsement, which is all wet. Clift and Press are nothing more than two over the top liberal, stubborn, old, ornery coots that speak giberish with every flap of their respective jaws, but then you already knew that.Liberals ... we can't live with them, they couldn't survive without us ...
Well, Miss_Me_Yet....
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/09/2011 - 7:51pm.
Although I still haven't been able to detect an audible affirmative response from Clift after McLaughlin's (incredulous) interjection, the "official" transcript does indeed attribute the word "yes" to Clift. So, on this point at least, I can only conclude she and Press are equally idiotic.
Interestingly, that same transcript indicates that Monica Crowley--contrary to the excerpt in Noel's article--remained silent. And, therefore, according to counselor NL207's curious logic, such would constitute a tacit agreement with Press's absurdity.
Jer
I would imagine Monica was
Submitted by Miss_Me_Yet on Wed, 03/09/2011 - 8:06pm.
I would imagine Monica was either momentarily speechless or laughing her ____ off internally / politely in light of the audacity / sheer stupidity of her two opponents on the panel. Not to mention that ludicrous statement was not deserving of a response. That day those two outdid themselves beyond belief. There simply are no words to describe just how low the left wing bomb throwing press ( Bill or otherwise ) have sunk. It's truely, in the words of Barack Obama, unpresidented, not to mention sad.Liberals ... we can't live with them, they couldn't survive without us ...
This video [between the 13
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/09/2011 - 8:09pm.
This video [between the 13 and 14 min. mark] includes a "no" [probably from Monica] and it appears she is also slightly shaking her head "no". Plus, she gets points just for looking good.
Jer
Look at that Uncle Jer.
Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 03/11/2011 - 1:01am.
barack_must_go the retread scat troll puts underlines instead of the actual vulgarisms he loved so much. It is like he is trying to walk away from the nasty critter he used to be. He wants you to think he is a new man. Reformed nah. Pliz done ban trolliez no more nah.
I know, Vet...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 03/11/2011 - 6:47pm.
He appeared initially to be cleaning up his act, but lately I've noticed a gradual backslide toward his original form--but still not nearly as bad as before.Counselor ...
Submitted by NL207 on Fri, 03/11/2011 - 9:35pm.
Perhaps you could benefit from this refresher course. Pay close attention the the section on silent liars. Perhaps that will help you with my curious logic.
"Among other common lies, we have the _silent_ lie--the deception which one
conveys by simply keeping still and concealing the truth."
You're low on oxygen, NL...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 03/11/2011 - 11:21pm.
Hmm...so [in your view] each and every congressman who didn't shout "you lie" along with Joe Wilson during the President's joint session speech in 2009 became a 'silent liar' tacitly agreeing with the specific representations by Obama which triggered Wison's outburst. Sorry, genius...but intelligence doesn't necessarily insulate one from the occasional lapse in logic.Press's comment wasn't addressed to Clift, nor was McLaughlin's skeptical retort. As such, her failure to correct the assertion would not, in and of itself, constitute a silent lie, nor would her silence necessarily confer an implicit adoption of Press's claim. In any event, the fact Clift did apparently inject an audible affirmation renders the question moot--except that by doing so she demonstrated her co-idiocy with Press.
Typical liberal twist---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 03/11/2011 - 11:30pm.
Obama was the liar on that occasion. At least the purple lipped pos is consistent in one area of his life. He lies.matthew...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:03am.
That response suggests to me you didn't bother reading NL's link. You completely ignore the point. [Although I'll concede my example of the 'silent liar' isn't perfectly analogous to the illustration in the article.]Au contraire, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:14am.
I read everything I respond to in order to reduce the possibility of stepping in it myself. Alas, 'tis not always a successful effort. That said, Ol' lips is a liar. Did you see the posts noting Denny and family were ok?Matthew...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:18am.
Where are the posts about Denny and family?Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:43am.
Open Thread on Japan earthquake/tsunami - #162 by Blonde and also a nearby post by cajun reference Denny on Facebook. Also a couple posts on tail end of shawn's forum about "nothing".Matthew...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 03/12/2011 - 1:11am.
Thanks. I saw the ones on shawn's forum but didn't understand what information had prompted them. Now I do.edit. I see that Denny has now posted on shawn's forum.
Thank you for implicitly conceding ...
Submitted by NL207 on Fri, 03/11/2011 - 11:57pm.
That Obama WAS IN FACT LYING.
"each and every congressman who didn't shout "you lie" along with Joe Wilson during the President's joint session speech in 2009 became a 'silent liar' "
Each and every Congressman who remained silent on Obama's falsehoods was either complicit in the lie, too stupid to grasp it as lies, or too timid to call Obama out for his lies. Some leaders this lot are.
Maybe you need to re-read Twain's tract on lies. I think he covers the Obama SOTU speech situation in there as well.
In the interest of time, how
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:22am.
In the interest of time, how about pointing me to the 'Obama situation' section. Thanks.She is a weasel.
Submitted by NL207 on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 6:51pm.
You should be intimately familiar with the breed.AMC
Submitted by Boudin on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 10:58pm.
was a major player also. Most of these older shops were union killed, including Studebaker and Packard.
No one can understand Clift unless they---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 03/06/2011 - 11:30pm.
speak screech.Screech?
Submitted by stratman on Mon, 03/07/2011 - 4:17pm.
Screech?
strat---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 03/08/2011 - 3:54am.
I should have went with "shriek". :o)You should have also
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 03/08/2011 - 4:14am.
gone with "gone".
Jer
Look up "went", Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:31am.
and then look up "gone". "Went" is the past participle of "go"; it is not only completely interchangeable with "gone", as it has the characteristics of both a verb and an adjective, the word "went" is used extensively throughout the definition of the word "gone". Care to give it another "go"?Now you've went and done it...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/09/2011 - 1:27am.
Hell yes I'll give it another go.
lf you don't hear from me for awhile, it will be because I've went to the grammar forums.
Jer
Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 03/09/2011 - 1:32am.
you get many points for your subject line; that was funny.
No fair using Kelsey Grammer as a resource.
MD
MD -
Submitted by stratman on Wed, 03/09/2011 - 8:54pm.
Just ask Jer to explain something and he'll be went.
You know me, strat... Why
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 1:45pm.
You know me, strat... Why explain my personal views when I can simply post a link or two.
;-)
Jer
Here's a link Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 1:48pm.
Those of us in La are not worried about the auto industry or the price of gas
Well, cajun...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 2:01pm.
I suppose if the price of grain futures skyrocket, Farmer Jack can always have his field hands carry him to and from his "plantation" on their backs. Life is good in Louisiana.there you go again Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 2:07pm.
There are very few large plantations that are family owned left here. The larger farms are corporate operations. The price of grain, seed and feed has already skyrocketed. And that realistic assessment of current problems here is from one of La's field hands. My family members were "share croppers" for generations. Your insult missed the mark. We are proud and when you snooty big city folks are fighting to survive, we down here, will be doing just fine thank you .
Oh please, cajun...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 3:03pm.
I guess I need to start adding "kidding" symbols even to posts which I think are obvious jests. (And don't even try to out "hard time" me on family background. My mom had to keep the little family farm going from the time her daddy died at age 32 early in the Depression and she was only10. No indoor plumbing until long after she had moved away. And she was better off than my dad.)Jer~
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 2:12pm.
Hey, hey! Apologize to Cajun -- or I'm posting a picture of Half Pint!"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
It's ok Giggles*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 2:29pm.
Snooty and condescending from Jer is expected. He is a liberal you know. ;-)
Caj~
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 2:37pm.
I know, but it still bums me out! He can be such a nice guy, but then he has to go all liberal on us. ;)
Speaking of Jer...where did he go?? He seems to have run away quicker than the 14 Democrats in Wisconsin. I guess Half Pint really does disturb him.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Just another liberal Giggles*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 2:48pm.
When a liberal has no argument, they resort to mud slinging or concentrate on minutiae. When Jer can find a suitable non insulting but arrogant retort, he'll be back.;-)
Says the lady from Louisiana...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 3:13pm.
who insinuated I was clueless about the spike in oil prices, instructed me to "wake up", and then slammed me for being condescending by replying that she should read the newspapers--hardly a vicious insult on my part but nevertheless I apologized for stating. And yet somehow I'm still the "bad" guy.Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 3:22pm.
My "wake up Jer" was a joke and yet you called me a "so called expert" who should read a newspaper. When you insult, its a poorly worded joke. When cajun makes a joke, its an insult. Ok, got it... I think.
I never called you a "bad guy". I called you a liberal. Was that an insult Jer?
GG...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 3:06pm.
For pete's sake, reread my post about Farmer Jack. Isn't it obvious that I'm joking?Jer~
Submitted by GG_NB on Fri, 03/11/2011 - 10:49am.
Who's Pete? And of what consequence is this to him? ^_^ For me, your post came off as joke with some snark. So I guess you told a snoke. Or a jark. :)"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
One day, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 11:46pm.
you may even provide a link that makes a modicum of sense. If you say you understood what either of those links had to say, I would say you are a storyteller.GM went broke because on
Submitted by big.league.slider on Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:16am.
GM went broke because on average they were selling cars for less than it cost to build them. The biggest liability being pension and healthcare costs of its union workforce. Saturn was a perfect example of this. Saturn never turned a dime of profit. And GM's new Volt is turning out to be a flop.
Now GM is touting its market share in China? That's a zero margin market that GM won't be able to compete in, unless they're willing to use low wage third world labor.
GM is also saddled with debt. Over $50 billion if you count what they owe the U.S. taxpayers. Why would anyone invest in a company that has no net worth, and whose only future growth prospects lay in an unprofitable market?
The two largest institutional shareholders in GM (the UAW and the Canadian government) have unloaded over $1 billion in GM shares since December.
taxes
Submitted by dmaley1714 on Mon, 03/07/2011 - 10:07am.
The company is only profitable because it does not have to pay taxes.