Newsweek's Evan Thomas: Public Employee Unions Are a Problem for Democrats
Something has definitely gotten into Evan Thomas's water, as for the third time this month, he advanced a viewpoint on PBS's "Inside Washington" quite contrary to the other liberal panelists.
On Friday's installment, with lone conservative regular Charles Krauthammer taking the day off, the Newsweek columnist practically assumed his position as the voice of reason taking on the other guests regarding the budget situation in Wisconsin (video follows with transcript and commentary):
EVAN THOMAS, NEWSWEEK: Well, yeah because I think it’s a problem for the Democratic Party. The Democrats really depend on these public employee unions in a lot of states for their support and for their political muscle, and public employee unions got a problem here. I want to distinguish between unions and public employee unions. Unions obviously are critical, but in the public sector, public employee unions have a pretty easy time getting a lot of benefits because nobody’s really pushing back all that hard.
NINA TOTENBERG, NPR: Oh, excuse me.
THOMAS: That is a problem for the Democratic Party, because right now, the way it’s being framed is, “Whose side are you on: the public employees union or the taxpayers' side?”
GORDON PETERSON, HOST: Nina?
Now watch Totenberg's absurd response:
TOTENBERG: So, it’s the unions’ fault that the managers caved? In this case, I don't know what the details are in all the other states where this is happening, but in Wisconsin, this is by now a manufactured crisis because the governor can’t take yes for an answer. The unions have said, "We'll give you all the cuts in benefits and salaries you want, we just want to preserve our collective bargaining rights," and he says no.
You really have to wonder if NPR sets an upside limit to intellectual capacity for its on air employees, as Totenberg's reply to Thomas was staggeringly idiotic.
On the one hand, she blamed state managers for caving in to the union demands that have now put Wisconsin - like so many states - in a budget bind. Seconds later, she complained that Walker won't accede to an agreement with the unions that doesn't limit their collective bargaining rights.
That's akin to blaming food for making a child fat and then criticizing the parent for trying to restrict his or her child's diet!
For years nay decades, the public employee unions in Wisconsin - as in so many states - have basically put a gun to the heads of government to get the most generous benefits packages available. To solve the long-term budget crisis, collective bargaining for benefits must be limited or the solution that comes with the unions' current offer will be short-lived.
Not surprisingly, Totenberg's less than room temperature intelligence quotient and/or her dying love for unions prevented her from understanding such logic:
PETERSON: Colby?
COLBY KING, WASHINGTON POST: Well, I think Charles [Krauthammer] is right about this being an important moment. I won’t say a magnificent moment, at all, but it’s an important moment because what is at issue at the part of this in Wisconsin and probably elsewhere is collective bargaining on the part of employee unions, and the question is whether that’s going to be sustained or not. The governor of Wisconsin is clearly out to break the unions. That’s his objective, and everybody has got to watch this. All the states are watching this to see what’s going to happen here, because if happens there in Wisconsin, it could very well happen elsewhere, and I think it’s going to be, this is, this is a fundamental fight that we have on our hands now.
As has been typical in virtually all of these discussions since the Wisconsin battle started is the absence of disclosure concerning the 21 states that currently restrict or limit completely collective bargaining by public employee unions. That said, it was time for Mark Shields to sing the praises of unions:
PETERSON: Mark?
MARK SHIELDS, PBS: Let's be very blunt. The United States workers would never have had a five-day work week, an eight-hour workday, we would never have had minimum-wage laws, child labor laws, health and pension benefits without the skill, the passion, the commitment and the clout of organized labor. Owners and employers just didn’t voluntarily wake one morning and say, “Let's be nice today to workers.” So, have unions made a difference in America’s landscape? Do they make a difference every day? You better believe it. At the same time, the same people, my good friend Evan, whom I respect enormously, endorses and embraces private sector unions, which now have fallen in strength to a point where they represent one out of twelve workers. They are defanged. They are basically powerless. Okay. When they represented 35 percent of workers a generation ago, not Evan, but many on the right said they were a threat to American democracy. They were a threat to the American way of life. Now public employees have the same right to collective bargain that any employee does. I mean, it’s that simple. How does a school teacher, a lone school teacher negotiate with the city of New York or the city of Milwaukee? You have got to pull your resources to do that.
Shields, like so many union lovers in the media, also ignored the fact that 21 states currently limit in whole or in part collective bargaining by public employee unions. The constant omission of this fact is negligence bordering on total dishonesty:
PETERSON: “Democrats, “Charles Krauthammer says, “are desperately defending the status quo. Republicans are charging the barricades.” How about that?
KING: Well, that’s dramatic language, but let’s go back to what Mark was talking about. The governor wants to eliminate collective bargaining, but he said they can bargain over wages. But look at what he leaves out of the picture – conditions of employment, circumstances that only a union can come together and change in a public setting or in a private setting. You can, a teacher can’t, or a teacher or a firefighter or a police officer can’t renegotiate the conditions and the circumstances where he’s going to work or the benefits around him. He can’t negotiate that by himself.
Now watch Thomas, in Krauthammer's absence, act as the voice of reason:
EVAN THOMAS: Okay, okay, okay, this is all true, but, let's look at the situation around the states. Public employee unions have disproportionate power because in a private situation, the shop owner, the store owner will push back because if they give away the store, they lose the store. In a public setting, it’s state legislatures who just want to get more contributions from unions. They’re happy to say yes, especially for the unfunded stuff down the road. We've gotten ourselves into a tremendous jam here by states saying, “Sure, you can have great pensions down the road, later. Yeah, that’s all fine.” So there’s like $3 trillion of these unfunded pensions. It’s a serious situation.
TOTENBERG: That’s true, but that’s worth negotiating over, and figuring out a solution to. It is not worth stamping people on the head till they’re dead.
It is not worth stamping people on the head till they’re dead. That's how Totenberg sees it.
Despite the fact that 21 states already have the same or similar provisions to what Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker is asking for, public employees in his state will be dead without the unfettered right to collectively bargain for their pension and healthcare benefits.
It boggles the mind that anyone so intellectually challenged and/or dishonest is paid with American tax dollars to advance such total nonsense.
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........and vice versa.
Submitted by Miss_Me_Yet on Sun, 02/27/2011 - 11:20am.
........and vice versa. Democrats by nature eat their young and throw one another under the bus. It's just a matter of time before the _____ hits the fan and everyone starts talking ( bad mouthing ) the the unions and one another.
I can't wait till campaign season and the heat of Summer combine to cause an implosion of the democrat party / corrupt union 50 year quid pro quo conspiracy, so nasty and out in the open, it'll never recover.
Liberals ... we can't live with them, they couldn't survive without us ...
I must still be asleep this morning!
Submitted by Newsbubba on Sun, 02/27/2011 - 11:41am.
Evan Thomas actually said something that makes sense!!!
Did something happen last night that I missed while I was at Happy Hour(s)? I mean, come on! When a prominent liberal starts to sound like they are making actual sense to me, something is very, very wrong. Did aliens beam me up?
If anyone on planet Earth receives this post, tell me the way home. Please!
Just Follow...
Submitted by Wildcatter1980 on Sun, 02/27/2011 - 12:00pm.
...the Fox News Channel signal.
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If you want to know what liberal secular progressives are really doing, just listen to what they are accusing others of.
Recommended reading: Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg
Here's an excellent article
Submitted by bkeyser on Sun, 02/27/2011 - 11:57am.
Here's an excellent article about what the unions are really fighting for.
Democratic controlled states
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Sun, 02/27/2011 - 12:03pm.
Democratic, liberal states are following the same model as GM did from the 1960s until their demise. Promise the world to their unionized employees and hope you're not in charge when things blow up.
And, oh yea, they are also following the "Uncle Sam will bail us out" plan, too.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
breaking the unions?
Submitted by MidAmerica on Sun, 02/27/2011 - 12:09pm.
The unions broke themselves when they agreed to contracts giving them perks that the government was unable to give them. It isn't just malfeasence on the governments part. The union heads who sold the members on a fancy package that turns out to be an empty box are also to blame for the unions current standoff with the government.
"The union heads who sold the members on a fancy package"
Submitted by Newsbubba on Sun, 02/27/2011 - 12:21pm.
Right on MA. Those union heads, of course, are retired millionaires now while the "working people" are about to find out how they got sold down the river by the liberal (and some conservative) politicians in cahoots with the union boss thugs who get to keep all the gravy.
Someone should check the statute of limitations on these bastards and have a class action suit on behalf of the union members to drain their wealth that they stole not only from the taxpayers, but from the union member dues!
Public Employee Unions
Submitted by GregE on Sun, 02/27/2011 - 12:18pm.
......are a problem for the United States of America and it's citizenry!!
Something being good or bad is always put in the context of being such for a political party, or the President. How about being good or bad for the prosperity and sovereignty of the United States, its Constitution, the 50 states, and the 310,000,000 million citizens to whom every single inkling of government is to be beholden and in service???????
I Spent a Weekend...
Submitted by GeneralAl on Sun, 02/27/2011 - 12:23pm.
I just spent a weekend in Wisconsin with a friend who always complains about the union yet now he's crying about losing his collective bargaining rights. I told him Iwas fine with it as long as he had to bargain with all the taxpayers, not the politicians. When he said that's impossible, I said exactly and that's why you shouldn't be able to bargain collectively in the public sector because those paying for your benefits are left out of the picture. Can you say SPEECHLESS?
"Old Soldiers never die, they just fade away"!
Why is it a lone teacher,
Submitted by Joe C Camel on Sun, 02/27/2011 - 12:31pm.
Why is it a lone teacher, firefighter or policeman (er person) is not able to negotiate for ones self again? Is there something in the water that says you can only get things you want with a mob rule mentality? Interesting philosophy to me at least.
I have always spoken for myself, salary wise, benefits, time worked and such. I did not need nor cared to have others do that for me. I have always been well taken care of, and never seen the rush to mediocritity as a reason to have others think they can do better. Since I believe I work harder, study harder and perform better than my peers, why not deal for myself. I am sure the others I work with think the same way. They are free to make their case just as I am. By the way, in all the jobs I have been in, we always made better wages than the unions, benefits as well. There was always a huge number of union folks vying to get on with us, so as to get away from the unions. Bottom line, it is all about the money for the hiarchy for those at the top of the heap in the unions, not the rank and file members, period.
What non of them understand
Submitted by dirtydan64 on Sun, 02/27/2011 - 12:33pm.
Is the conflict of interest where the Governor is elected by the Tax Payers of his State, not just the Public Employees union, now who does the Governor bargain for the unions or he rest of the population, in our case here in Wisconsin 75% are non union where 25% are union and it's apparent they have more power then the masses. But to get to the conflict you have Union and Union employees on one side of the table, you have the Politicams on one side of the table and the Governor on one side of the preverbal table so at the end of the day whose look out for the best interest of all the Tax Payers ?? Now the only way this cow D possibly work is if all the Tax Payers were apart of the Union then threes no conflict of interest right ?These shows have been scripted for years
Submitted by ajkrik on Sun, 02/27/2011 - 1:40pm.
There was no "conservative" voice, so they scripted Thomas' position for him because they still understand that their viewers are cattle lining up at the feed trough.
PBS is about promoting an ideology but if they only had the usual victim advocates it would be too transparent and uncontroversial even for them.
You don't have to be a DC journalist to understand that too much power in any group's hands is corrupting.
Democrats do have a problem. And it is a milignant one.
Submitted by Ashrak on Sun, 02/27/2011 - 1:30pm.
Democrats, drunk on seeking and gaining power, fell into the trap that is a majority of the minorities. That party got into bed with any and every group possible in order to gain power of the majority. The leaders of that anti-American and anti-Constitution party got into bed with the ugliest of the ugly and wrote checks they never intended to cash.
The civil service union in Wisconsin only "accepted" or "offered" (actually relented) to the so called give-backs because they knew it was already going to happen. The media supporters could then frame this as something other than what it is - the civil service union unchecked power is the problem and curtailing that power, checking it, is the answer.
I said it before and I say it again, the trade unions had better clear the line between them and civil service unions, much the same way an umpire wipes clean home plate, to show a distinction between themselves in the private secotr and state and federal workers in the public sector. The civil service unions are burning the union label itself to the ground and the trade unions, not just the democrat party, is going to suffer as a result. All this talk about union busting might actually turn into exactly that if the trade unions do not step up to the plate. I suggest they think long and hard about what it saking place and take note of the fact that taxpayers have indeed had enough.
Tinners, sparkies, pipefitters, iron workers, plumbers, carpenters, and laborers had better step up as a voice of reason, they had better check their supposed borthers and sisters in the public sector before the anger and outrage that is growing across this country spills over into their neck of the woods. They must stand up now to show how they earn their way, while the public sector unions leech off of them everyone, including their own supposed union borthers and sisters.
I submit that this is the first instance of Mainstream Media calling a spade a spade. I offer too that as his summer comes and goes, we will see a good deal more of it. Some will double down into the realm of idocy whle others read aloud the writing on the wall.