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By Noel Sheppard | February 19, 2011 | 20:29

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As NewsBusters reported Saturday, Rachel Maddow wasn't the only MSNBC commentator last week that lied to viewers about the budget battle in Wisconsin.

Having misrepresented the same nonsense as Maddow about the Badger State having a surplus instead of a deficit Friday, Ed Schultz was exposed by Politifact for dramatically exaggerating how much Gov. Scott Walker's repair plan would cost public employees (video follows with transcript and commentary):

ED SCHULTZ, TUESDAY's "THE ED SHOW": Now, I think really what is happening in Wisconsin is bigger than any inside the Beltway story and we are the place for politics, no doubt about this. But this isn't about some lobbyist at lunch with a senator shaking him down or trying to convince him on a vote. These are real American people who want a future and feel like they're being deprived of it.

People who earn $30,000, $40,000, $50,000 a year might have a 20 percent of their income just disappear overnight. Ten thousand bucks isn't really going to hurt anybody on Wall Street, but it will absolutely devastate middle class families in the state of Wisconsin.

And what do you have? You have the governor who is basically giving an ultimatum.

Is that 20 percent reduction claim accurate? Not according to Politifact:

Schultz said in the broadcast that he had been given figures that show a 20 percent impact. We asked his staff for that information and they said they would attempt to provide it.  But as of publication, we have not heard from them.

Under the Republican governor’s plan, state employees would contribute 5.8 percent of their pay toward pensions and pay at least 12 percent of their health insurance premiums.

Meanwhile, we consulted other sources on how much more state workers would pay if the budget repair bill is adopted.

It’s a political debate, but this is largely a mathematical question.

Here’s what our sources said:

  • Carla Vigue, spokeswoman for the state Department of Administration: The higher contributions would amount to, on average, a 9.4 percent cut in take-home pay.
  • Joe Wineke, former administrator of the state Division of Compensation and Labor Relations and former chairman of the state Democratic Party: The impact on most workers would be 6.8 percent to 11 percent of their salary.
  • Walker spokesman Cullen Werwie: Detailed estimates are being prepared, but the cost to the average worker would be about 8 percent of their wages.
  • University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire Chancellor Brian Levin-Stankevich: In a memo, he said a UW-Eau Claire employee who earns $40,000 per year would pay an annual pension contribution of $2,320, up from $80; and an annual health insurance premium for family coverage of $2,820, up from $1,068. That’s a total of $3,992 per year, or 10 percent of that employee’s salary.

Look like 20 percent to you? Or $10,000?

Hardly. As Politifact concluded:

The sources we consulted indicate the range is 6.8 percent to 11 percent. Even if the higher payments comprise 20 percent of the income of some employees, there’s no indication it will be that high on a wide scale, particularly for state workers earning as much as $50,000 per year. If Schultz can provide evidence of a large-scale 20 percent impact, we’ll review this item.

But this is our rating: False.

As the Baltimore Sun's David Zurawik, a Milwaukee native and graduate of the University of Wisconsin, observed Friday:

[MSNBC's] coverage has been partisan and rabble-rousing to the point where it seems as if cable show hosts like Schultz are exploiting the anger of the situation, rather than reporting the story and trying to bring context, clarity and understanding to a troubled situation.

After referring to the above-referenced Politifact piece, which he kindly forwarded me moments ago, Zurawik continued:

That's what I mean by coverage that is not merely bad, it's reckless and false. [...]

I can't help but wonder what the new Comcast executives, who have said how important the credibility of NBC News is to the company, think of this journalistically clueless and hopelessly biased MSNBC prime-time crew.

You took the words right out of my mouth, David. What MSNBC did this week with its Wisconsin coverage was a total disgrace.

Are facts at all important to this so-called "news" network, or are the people inside Comcast pleased with one of their divisions propagandizing the public?

In any other industry, negligence by employees is called out and reprimanded. In some professions such as law and insurance for example, such errors could result in the offender losing his or her license or having it suspended.

Are there any consequences for blatant misrepresentations at MSNBC, or is it standard operating procedure?

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Submitted by Cool Arrow on Sat, 02/19/2011 - 8:32pm.

Rachel and Ed, you two call Richard Trumka and ask him just how impoverished these teachers are.

Make sure you two get your stories straight because we're going to run with it.

There!  Solid corroborated journalism.  Ed and Rachel used each other as second sources.

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And then ask him how much he

Submitted by motherbelt on Sat, 02/19/2011 - 11:13pm.

And then ask him how much he thinks the taxpayers should fork over to the teachers.

Because that's where the money is coming from.  These clowns act like the money just appears.

It gets forcibly confiscated from the taxpayers, and they have NO SAY in how much it is.

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Pension Money

Submitted by Tyromac on Sat, 02/19/2011 - 9:03pm.

And the money they put into their own pension plan comes back to them later along with the portion added on by the state.  I'll try that with my employer - up my 401k contribution from 5 to 8 percent and then tell him he needs to make up for the pay cut I just took.

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Here in NC we pay 6% of our

Submitted by ricklail on Sun, 02/20/2011 - 10:35am.

Here in NC we pay 6% of our salary into our retirement fund. The state is supposed to match it. Guess what? They haven't been doing their part and on top of that they raided the fund to balance the budget. They haven't paid that back although a judge told them to do so.

We do not pay our insurance premiums but that is about that end this year. The GA has recommended we pay $50 a month. Like about all the other states in the country we are broke because of tax and spend Dems. We don't have pulbic unions like other states but we do fund things like Teapot museums and fishing piers on the OBX.

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" Don't get mad at me, if I

Submitted by LAM SON 719 on Sat, 02/19/2011 - 9:04pm.

" Don't get mad at me, if I don't say what my big sister Rachel tells me to she hits me real hard and it hurts".-Big Ed

Non, je ne regrette rien. "You aren't angry because I might be a racist, you're angry because you know I'm right".
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liars

Submitted by grammajane on Sat, 02/19/2011 - 9:17pm.

Liars and radicals is all msnbc has to offer.

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Special Ed Can't Do Math.

Submitted by LibertyAtStake on Sat, 02/19/2011 - 9:37pm.

Despite $77 Billion annually thrown at the Dept. of Education.

 

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http://politifact.com/truth-o

Submitted by bob loblaw on Sat, 02/19/2011 - 9:46pm.

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2011/feb/17/firestorm-wisconsin/

 

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/

Here's all of politicact's rulings on Wisconsin. 

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Most Of MSNBC Staff Hurts Their Bottom Line

Submitted by Boil It Down on Sat, 02/19/2011 - 11:02pm.

Strictly from a business perspective, what is Comcast's motivation for keeping these people on the payroll? Matthews, Maddow, O'Donnell and Schultz repeatedly make major mistakes like this and insult the public like it's their sworn duty. This behavior obviously drags down the ratings and yet they remain. If they're paid anything like Olbermann was, it must be a huge loser profit-wise, It's baffling. Perhaps they're only making about $75 grand a year, that would explain a lot. You've got to pay for quality.

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Re: "Ed Schultz Exposed"

Submitted by Andante on Sun, 02/20/2011 - 1:28am.

I'm sorry, I stopped reading right there. It's a visual I didn't need.

 

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MSNBC is a clown show

Submitted by merly1 on Sun, 02/20/2011 - 1:54am.

EOM!

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Careful!

Submitted by Caringwhiteguy on Sun, 02/20/2011 - 7:06am.

Careful with the Truth-o-Meter Noel.  Polit-a-Fact is no friend of conservatives, and more often than not issues very unfavorable analysis of conservative statements.  These are always couched in terms stating pure objectivity.  However, if you are willing to accept that what's good for Ed Schultz is good for Scott Walker, then by all means keep using TOM to support your points.

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I noticed that too. Someone

Submitted by dmntd1 on Sun, 02/20/2011 - 10:41am.

I noticed that too. Someone posted the link to PolitiFact's WI page, and there were some glaring "Pants On Fire"/False mistakes on there, but only for the (R)'s.

Case in point: Alberta Darling's comment about how negotiation for wages only is how it is in the private sector is rated as FALSE. They then compare her statements to union employees only. With the BLS claiming that only 6.9% of private sector employees are union, it makes sense that those that are non-union only get to negotiate their wages. The rest of their employment/benefit package is essentially dictated, whether by the employer or the government.

We dare not tempt them with weakness. For only when our arms are sufficient beyond doubt can we be certain beyond doubt that they will never be employed.

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Ed is such a blatant liar: 

Submitted by ampul man on Sun, 02/20/2011 - 7:58am.

Ed is such a blatant liar:  "He's (the gov) has even alerted the National Guard."  Thus implying that they will be there to repress the demonstrators.

The stated purpose is to be prepared to takeover functions 'vacated' by the protesters.

CNN, the Clinton News Network---Bill decides; Hill reports

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A liberal exaggerating the

Submitted by wiwf on Sun, 02/20/2011 - 8:25am.

A liberal exaggerating the facts? Sunrise, sunset...

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Let teachers use their union dues money to pay

Submitted by ekslib on Sun, 02/20/2011 - 8:33am.

for their benefits.

Get rid of mandatory union dues.

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Let the union members use

Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Sun, 02/20/2011 - 10:47am.

Let the union members use their savings to look for work in anther field in another state NOT on any government payroll.

If they don't appreciate, or enjoy working for the TAXPAYERS in Wisconsin, perhaps working in the PRIVATE SECTOR would be a better choic.

Their actions are going to cost them far more than the Governor is asking of them.

On the plus side, the children are home safe from the damage done by adults in their classrooms indoctrinating thm into scialism..

End 'gun violence in America' - Require training and MANDATORY "Shall Carry" by every Citizen.

If harry reid is the best person to lead the senate, what does that say about the other 99 senators?

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Ed, why don't you ask one of the striking teachers

Submitted by ThisnThat on Sun, 02/20/2011 - 11:20am.

to do your math for you? They're teachers, after all, so I'm sure they can set it up so that even you can understand it.

And---I'm sure the teachers want to get all the facts out there, anyway, don't they? Because they're teachers and such? So why doesn't the MSM hold impromptu classroom sessions in the WI State Capital rotunda? The teachers can begin by showing everyone the average public sector employee pay and benefits -- and the corresponding private sector "at-will" employee pay and benefits. Then they can throw in calculations regarding their union dues, and how much the ncellation of dues will save them each year. And finally show us all the end result, after all the changes are implemented.

THEN -- one more calculation. Show how much a total stranger now pays each of these public service employees for their retirement. In other words, if I didn't have to pay a dime for their retirement, how much more would I be able to take home for my family, rather than giving it to his family? I'll bet it's more than $80 -- which is the amount a current public employee has to contribute to his retirement.

Wouldn't that be great, honest news? The public being educated by the downtrodden teachers so they can show exactly how mistreated they will become? Come on, Ed, do us all a favor -- and set up our MSNBC classroom for us. We're all eager to be educated, by the very same people we trust to educate our children we send to public schools.

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Here's what really irks me about this

Submitted by ThisnThat on Sun, 02/20/2011 - 11:22am.

The U of Wisconsin prof said: a UW-Eau Claire employee who earns $40,000 per year would pay an annual pension contribution of $2,320, up from $80; and an annual health insurance premium for family coverage of $2,820, up from $1,068.

The only real cost here is the health insurance premium. The annual pension contribution remains with the employee -- for life. It's part of his pension. He will get that money back, when he retires. Plus some, because we taxpayers pick up the rest of the pension. And yet, this is somehow being construed as a "cut in pay". Come on, people! When was this country dumbed down so much that we allow them to get away with that argument?

I'll bet that there would be a lot of yelling and screaming if we asked public service employees to pay $80 / year towards private employee pensions.

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  "When was this country

Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Sun, 02/20/2011 - 12:06pm.

 

"When was this country dumbed down so much that we allow them to get away with that argument?"

That would have been when the federal government created the department of indoctrination and gave total control to the union leaders, thereby turning the 'teachers' into either useless idiots, or useful idiots, depending on ones perspective.

A WELL-EDUCATED populace is not in the best interests of socialism, big government, politicians or unions.

 

End 'gun violence in America' - Require training and MANDATORY "Shall Carry" by every Citizen.

If harry reid is the best person to lead the senate, what does that say about the other 99 senators?

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It's Ed...  Facts never

Submitted by Cowboy on Sun, 02/20/2011 - 2:47pm.

It's Ed...  Facts never matter, even when they are pointed out later. He'll defend being wrong before he will ever apologize.

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rounding

Submitted by goldbough on Sun, 02/20/2011 - 5:05pm.

Sounds like they're using rounding to a liberal degree. 11% rounded up to 20% is the same to Ed.

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I think these articles give too much

Submitted by Quasi-socialist on Sun, 02/20/2011 - 8:47pm.

credit to Politi-hact. 90% of the Pants-on-fire ratings go to conservatives or are email chains about Obamacare. And they even gave a PoF rating to 18% of the country for <em>having the opinion</em> that Obama was a Muslim. It's ridiculous to respond to an opinion survey as a "Pant-on-fire" lie.

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Hay, idiot, it doesn't "disappear."

Submitted by CobraMan on Sun, 02/20/2011 - 11:37pm.

"People who earn $30,000, $40,000, $50,000 a year might have a 20 percent of their income just disappear overnight."

Yea, and aliens might land and take you to their mother ship.

What does you mean by "disappear?"  EVEN IF you contribute to your own pension, that money is STILL there when you need it.  Oh, and guess what: It's tax deductible!  The same is true for health care. it's there when you need it AND it's tax deductible!.  NOTHING is disappearing.

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Ed Schultz, pathological

Submitted by Beukeboom on Mon, 02/21/2011 - 10:45am.

Ed Schultz, pathological liar. The sooner he is off the air, the better. He's an embarrassment to the human race.

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