Brokaw: I'd Be Nervous Going Into Bar or Restaurant in Arizona on Saturday Night Because of Guns
Tom Brokaw on Thursday said that as a result of Arizona's loose gun laws, he'd be nervous going into a bar or restaurant in that state on a Saturday night.
Such was uttered during a discussion about gun control on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" (video follows with transcript and commentary):
TOM BROKAW: Here is why I think there are a lot of Glocks being sold: because gun owners are worried that they're going to be outlawed. That's what happened when President Obama first took office is that people were buying ammunition and storing it in underground bunkers because they thought he was going to outlaw guns and ammunition. Gun control is too simple a phrase to define all the complications and nuances of it, frankly. In Arizona they have a wide open system. I would be nervous about going into a bar or restaurant in Arizona on a Saturday night where people can carry concealed without permits.
Makes you wonder how long this full-court press for stronger gun laws will be mounted by the media.
Stay tuned.
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LMAO
Submitted by JustAl on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 3:35pm.
Maybe he should go spend a few Saturday nights in Juarez bars where they have very strick gun control?
OR
Submitted by jpk3 on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 3:52pm.
D.C, NYC, Chitown, L.A., I'd feel safer in Arizona any day
He could be sure there will
Submitted by ricklail on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 4:20pm.
He could be sure there will be no US military pesonnel to help him out in Juarez. The Army has banned any travel into Mexico. I don't know about the Navy and Tijuana.
Feel free not to come here and eat out
Submitted by StarAZ on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 5:00pm.
Going to AZ is not mandatory, but anecdotally, I can report eating out hundreds of times here and living to tell about it. Brokaw's switch is stuck on stupid today. Wait! That was not civil.
By the way, Tom
Submitted by StarAZ on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 5:03pm.
I lived in DC 35 yrs--you would be amazed, apparently, at how many people there carried, legal or not. Yes, even at The Palm or Morton's.
Star
Submitted by Tugboat Phil on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 6:06pm.
That's what I tell every Lib that says they are scared of people with carry permits in restaurants. I just say there are people with concealed guns in every business they frequent, and have been for years. They're mostly criminals that couldn't get a permit if they wanted one.
His switch has been stuck on
Submitted by tomato can on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 9:54pm.
His switch has been stuck on stupid for a long, long time.
Maybe not civil................
Submitted by Patriot II on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 10:49am.
But sure as hell accurate!
Instead
Submitted by ThisnThat on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 5:32pm.
I wonder why Tom hasn't targeted TARGET yet? Is he ever going to go into another TARGET store, or do they have to change their name and remove the bullseye first?
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Move to France, Brokaw
Submitted by farstar99 on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 12:29am.
Fey, metrosexual cowards like you are welcome there.
You dried up old ass sneeze.
Once again
Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 3:38pm.
He demonstrates why he's earned the nickname "Tom Broken Jaw." Stupid things just come out of his mouth.
-Jon
Actually Brokaw speaks
Submitted by Barack_must_go..... on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 4:09pm.
Actually Brokaw speaks exclusively out of his ass these days, some wierd clause in his MSNBC contract or something.
They've just wired up his mouth to move at the same time, so as not to distract the viewer.
Barack_Must_Go.....
Hey Tom, I have a suggestion for ya
Submitted by Dave. on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 3:44pm.
Next time you are in Arizona, only go into business establishments that have "No Guns Allowed" signs out front.
And be sure you have those glasses on while you are there.
That way you will be able to provide the police with an accurate description of the armed robber that pops in to clean out the cash register.
And maybe your wallet, too.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Anybody here have an underground ammo bunker?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 3:38pm.
or know anyone who does?
~I wish
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 5:40pm.
If I had one to hunker in I wouldn't have to wear this tinfoil hat.
I ain't talkin'. :-)
Submitted by bassndude on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 5:45pm.
I ain't talkin'. :-)
Save a SeAL, club a liberal/troll!!
Remember This Tommy...
Submitted by bigdaddy on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 3:41pm.
The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to have a good guy with a gun.
Good luck trying to talk your way out or waiting for Sheriff Dumbass to show up.
What would Juan say?
Submitted by metaphorsbwithu on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 3:42pm.
Imagine if Juan Williams had said this instead of what he did say.
I wonder if he'd switch places ... given a second chance. ;-)
Oh, Cm'on Brokaw. You
Submitted by jdhawk on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 3:45pm.
Oh, Cm'on Brokaw. You wouldn't go anywhere without your bodyguard. What is he packing by the way? Does he have "extended" magazines to go with his pistol? It's perfectly OK for your bodyguard to have a concealed gun permit and carry his pistol concealed, right?
When it comes to the everyday public, nooooo can do. Well, Brokaw, sorry. Get used to it. It's called the 2d Amendment.
By the way, if someone had been packing at this meeting with Congresswoman Giffords, perhaps no one or just a few would have been killed or wounded. In other words, someone would have been there to fight back. Lives could have been saved. You know, like your bodyguard if you got into trouble.
Instead, you guys in the media made millions in ad revenues broadcasting your "views" on the subject. And will make millions more in ad revenues covering the trial.
What a hypocrite . . . .
~Waldo
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 3:44pm.
ditched the stripes, I see.
Brokaw
Submitted by well99 on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 3:48pm.
Well Tom you have given me insight on what could happen to me when I get senile like you.Scary.
Good thing 'Brokejaw' doesnt work for NPR. He would...
Submitted by jawebster1 on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 4:00pm.
have been fired just like Juan Williams was for that 'uncivil' remark. It is scary to think about it, but people like him had sole control of TV news just a mere few years ago. Thank God for Fox News, 'talk radio', Drudge Report and NewsBusters, so people like him are exposed to the world in all their inglorious stupidity!
Any libtard want to bet
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 3:51pm.
Browkaw lives and works amunst more murders each year, then the whole State of AZ. And I have know idea where he works or lives. I am just somewhat sure it is in libtard land America? Where the crime rates REALLY do need to need to be addressed. You could start by restoring liberties, but we know you would rather take more.
Also, are we also concerned about the crimes committed by illegals in AZ, Tom?
Is Tom implying that the good
Submitted by Seashell on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 3:56pm.
Is Tom implying that the good people of AZ are a bunch of kooks running around crazy with their guns? If I lived there, I would be very offended by that remark.
Exactly. And I have asked
Submitted by rwesley2.0 on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 4:36pm.
Exactly.
And I have asked this before, where did this myth get perpetuated from with regards to guns in bars all the time? Can anyone please steer me towards the last big bar shooting? I mean, maybe Randi Rhodes can shed a little light on the subject, since she apparently hangs out there until unable to walk down the stairs. I just don't see the whole connection that libs have with guns and bars.
Why Did He Mention "Going to a Bar"?
Submitted by gruyere cheese on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 4:03pm.
The only logic as to why these air heads have jobs at MNSBC is because one needs to be high on anything to work there. Alcoholism comes to mind...
Now Tommy, don't get your
Submitted by liberalsarefunny on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 4:08pm.
Now Tommy, don't get your pantyhose in a knot...
I think Tom got his cue
Submitted by RD King on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 4:09pm.
from the osamaone, "You just can't be runnin off to Vegas and spendin all that money from now on, not now that I'm in control with malice aforethought to destroy your economy".
I bet all the bars and restuarants there are glad to have TB around, he stinks almost as much as bo.
Personally I'd be nervous and clinging if I had to be around either TB or bo.
I guess he'd be more comfortable with Plaxico Burris?
Submitted by c5then on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 4:09pm.
I mean NYC has strict and very stringent gun control laws. That's why there is virtuially no gun crime in NYC, right Mr. Brokaw...
what? Oh, never mind...
Is it a requirement that you have to have a very low IQ to be a news caster?
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
I don't know...
Submitted by almostacowboy on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 4:23pm.
about the IQ but I know you have to have good hair!
Maybe Arizona has such laws so . . .
Submitted by Galvanic on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 4:16pm.
. . . clowns like Brokaw aren't tempted to move there.
Brokaw's Trepidation
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 4:21pm.
I wonder what Brokaw's response would be if asked to explain the basis for his trepidation.
If he could point to weekly reports of shootings in restaurants and bars in states with "open" gun laws, I might say he has a point.
But unless I've been oblivious to these events, I don't think such reports exist.
So apparently, Brokaw's nervousness isn't based on actual events. So what is it based on?
Well, I don't know the guy, but I'll offer a guess none the less. I think it has to do with what I see as a central tenant of liberalism - that you can't trust people to act responsibly.
Contrary to the typical liberal's assertion that their "progress" views are motivated by altruism, my experience has taught me that the typical liberal simply doesn't think much of their fellow man.
He doesn't trust them to take care of themselves or to make the right choices when it comes to planning for their futures. He doesn't believe that a person born to poverty has the ability to rise above it.
And he certainly doesn't trust a person with a gun to act responsibly in a place like a restaurant or a bar.
But, like I said, that's just a guess on my part.
like.....yeah...
Submitted by MidAmerica on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 4:25pm.
Tom is not afraid of guns. He's afraid of these backwoods yokels having guns.
He knows (sniff) how lacking in proper background and education they are.
But...... if you read Tom's autobiography he talks about how in his early years he enjoyed putting on his bell-bottoms and mingling with the hippies in Los Angeles. Tom's not afraid of whacked out drug users just ordinary Americans.
Another Beltway media snob
Submitted by Mary Louise Turner on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 8:56pm.
Mr. Brokaw is another Beltway leftist media snob who thinks that the whole world revolves around the Northeast Corridor. He may have been born in South Dakota, but he has clearly rejected his roots. Since joining NBC, he has swallowed gallons and gallons of liberal Kool-Aid.
These remarks about Arizona are so typical of the arrogant attitude the elite holds for anyone outside Washington, NYC and Hollywood. Mr. Brokaw, please go away...
Simple solution Tom. DON'T GO
Submitted by Cappmann1962 on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 4:25pm.
Simple solution Tom. DON'T GO INTO ANY BARS IN ARIZONA! In fact, don't go to Arizona at all. No one will complain, I assure you.
Broke Jaw
Submitted by RightRealDeal on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 4:31pm.
Arizona has great bars but I'd be nervous if Broke Jaw walked in. I would wonder why I picked one that would have him come in.
Isn't Broke Jaw from Canada originally? Bet they have wonderful bars up there, yeah right.
I don't know where Tom is
Submitted by Seashell on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 4:44pm.
I don't know where Tom is from originally, but I think he lives in Montana now on some kind of ranch. BTW-Montana is an open-carry state.
Tom Brokaw
Submitted by phryingphish on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 5:26pm.
Was born in Webster, South Dakota.
Peter Jennings was born in Canada.
I get the two confused, too.
Brokaw's such a pussy he
Submitted by nonncom on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 4:34pm.
doesn't go into bars anywhere, from what I heard....got his ass handed to him one time and now he just stays away....
Tom, You ignorant fool.
Submitted by ninerdog on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 4:38pm.
Tom,
You ignorant fool. Law says that it is a 4th degree felony to carry in a bar. If guns frighten you may I suggest a few other states to stay away from. New Mexico, Texas, Utah, Colorado, Florida, Nevada……. As a matter of fact there are 32 right to carry states Tom. There crime rates ver. population are not nearly as bad as NY. So please stay where you are.
Arizona's violent crime rate is a fraction of NY, DC and others
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 4:39pm.
even with the drug cartel violence.
Except AZ does have a lot of scary bikers that would no doubt terrify the wuss.
Funny SoL
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 4:49pm.
Even bikers on Beamers!
Hey Mr. Brokaw, So when do
Submitted by Ashrak on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 4:59pm.
Hey Mr. Brokaw,
So when do you jump on the bandwagon that a person must seek, then pay for if granted, permission, via license, to exercise the freedom of the press?
When do you accept the premise that government must train you and then allow you to write and speak and publish?
OH, and when do we get that license to pray? How about that permit to remain silent?
Hypocrites, the lot of them.
Little tommy the twit
Submitted by Herbster on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 5:02pm.
From the looks of him, Little Tommy Bwokaw needs to find a bar where he would be comfortable. Let's see........a gay bar? No guns there. How about a Viagra bar? No guns there...at least none that work. A lezzie bar? No...he might get beaten up by a Rosie O"Donnell type. How about a health food juice bar? He could have his favorite drink....a sprouts on the rocks with a twist of arugula. Better yet, what if he just stayed home and watched old re-runs of him distorting the news for NBC. He's still a sanctimonious twit!
DC 3 times higher rate of murder by guns
Submitted by meester on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 5:06pm.
Not that reasonable people need to consider this but it may not be reasonable to pay attention to Brokaw.
If we were in a bar together it probably wouldn't be a pleasant evening for him unless he accepts being challenged.
Only one thing to remember
Submitted by ruby2ssday on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 5:17pm.
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
I'd feel a whole lot safer in AZ than in NY.
Really?
Submitted by EdCoyne on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 5:38pm.
Who invited the little dickweed, anyway?
Ed Coyne
www.FoundersQuotes.com
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Submitted by Seashell on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 5:58pm.
Have been to many states
Submitted by octavioj on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 6:30pm.
I have been to many states with concealed carry laws and not once I felt unsafe. I wonder why...
Depends who the clientelle
Submitted by mostlymoderate on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 6:41pm.
Depends who the clientelle and what kind of music is playing. Are we talking rap or was this a country bar.
munipulating with vitriol
Submitted by TerryWest on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 7:30pm.
When was the last time you think Brokaw visited any restaurant main street people frequent? This is nothing but an attempt to instill fear and the very " vitriol" that these hypocrites spout dailyDoesn't Tom live in
Submitted by danbo on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 8:27pm.
Doesn't Tom live in Montana?.
Isn't Montana an open gun carry state? Aren't their laws similar to Arizona's? Does he hole up at his ranch? Should he move to someplace safe? Like New York City.
Or is he blowing smoke.
"You lie!" Rep. Joe Wilson R-(SC)
"Hello, 911? There's an antelope on my property!!!"
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 10:43pm.
Hurry!
Brokaw in Hiding
Submitted by Lynn on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 8:55pm.
I would hate to be his wife and in need of protection when out for an evening.
"Excuse me, little lady. I see a table over there that I can duck behind."
Brokaw should be scared all
Submitted by jkwtrading on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 9:18pm.
Brokaw should be scared all over his back is a target which screams LIBERAL...
Guns in AZ
Submitted by CarolinaJimbo on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 9:34pm.
I love the signs at the supermarkets in AZ. "Please check all guns at the Courtesy Counter."
Folks don't worry about a concealed weapon permit. They wear a pistol in a holster around their waists in plain sight. LOL
"An armed society is a polite society."
Tom Loves the Night Life...
Submitted by Chris Norman on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 10:40pm.
I'm sure if Arizona had known the abject fear that would be struck in Mr. Brokaw because of their gun laws, they would never ever have enacted them. Now that they know, they can immediately go about changing them so Mr. Brokaw can enjoy the night life in local bars that he does in Detroit.
By the way, this is the best NBC has for the "wise old senior newsman" slot? It's just sad...
I Don't Blame Him
Submitted by bwl on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 10:49pm.
Arizona has a fairly high murder rate. Most states with capital punishment do, as a matter of fact.Really
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 10:54pm.
Got any info on this?
Sure
Submitted by bwl on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 11:02pm.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state#MRord
If you scroll down to the middle of the page, you'll find the states ranked by murder rate.
In 2008, the rate was 75% higher in death-penalty states than in non-death-penalty states.
In 2009, the disparity was 57%. The original source for these figures is FBI crime statistics.
Hhmm
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 11:08pm.
I thought you were saying Capitol punishment was the reason why?
No, I Said that Capital Punishment States Have More Murders
Submitted by bwl on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 11:11pm.
<< I thought you were saying Capitol punishment was the reason why? >>
It's possible that there is a cause and effect relationship, but I didn't say that. It's interesting that only one non-capital-punishment state has a murder rate above the national average, though, isn't it?Capitol? Are you now suggesting we punish buildings?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 11:14pm.
That's right, I'm one sharp-ass puppy.
;)
Why do you think that is?
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 11:17pm.
I haven't researched any of this, but I would like your reasoning?
Yes, the threat of capital
Submitted by Chris Norman on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 11:04pm.
Yes, the threat of capital punishment always causes people to commit murder.
Of course, it may be, that AZ has a high murder rate because of the violence associated with illegal immigration and the cross border drug trade. Perhaps, too, states with existing high murder rates turn to capital punishment to try to stem those high rates. But, hey, why let those distinct possibilities stand in the way of your glib conclusion?
FBI Statistics Back Me Up
Submitted by bwl on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 11:08pm.
<< Yes, the threat of capital punishment always causes people to commit murder.
Of course, it may be, that AZ has a high murder rate because of the violence associated with illegal immigration and the cross border drug trade, but why let that possibility stand in the way of your glib conclusion? >>
It sure doesn't deter murder, does it? By the way, Arizona's rate is above the national average, but it's not close to the highest. Louisiana has the highest. The next seven states have the death penalty.
Only one non-death-penalty state has a murder rate above the national average. The other thirteen non-death-penalty states have rates below the average.
Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center
Capitol punishment is not meant to be a deterrent
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 11:11pm.
Thats why it's called Punishment
Some People Think It IS a Deterrent
Submitted by bwl on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 11:19pm.
The question is, why do you punish criminals?
Is it to reduce crime or just to get back at them?
Personally, I'd rather be executed than spend fifty years in jail, but that's just me.
Well
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 11:28pm.
Punishment in itself is a deterrent, but I think ALL deterrents are equally ineffective. We make excuses and deflect responsibility, then when it gets worst, we double down
Punishment Causes Murder?
Submitted by EdCoyne on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 11:46am.
So, let me get this straight. You claim that when stricter punishments are enacted, crime goes up? By your logic, we should just stop punishing criminals?
Ed Coyne
www.FoundersQuotes.com
Sorry
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 11:32pm.
What I mean is: Pay up front, and make sure our kids dont turn into criminals. Let's teach them how to achive. Everything else takes care of it'self
You didn't originally state
Submitted by Chris Norman on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 11:42pm.
You didn't originally state that capital punishment was an ineffective deterrent. You clearly implied that it was some kind of cause. So, now you are changing your conclusion to it's not an effective deterrent, are you saying that having no death penalty is, somehow, a better deterrent? You can use stats to "prove" any argument, but tthat argument makes no sense whatsoever.
By the way, I don't even support the death penalty. I also don't support the misuse of statistics to come to a fallacious conclusion.
If You Want to Jump to Conclusions, That's Your Problem
Submitted by bwl on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 11:59pm.
<< You didn't originally state that capital punishment was an ineffective deterrent. You clearly implied that it was some kind of cause. So, now you are changing your conclusion to it's not an effective deterrent >><p>
I implied nothing. I merely stated a fact: death-penalty states have higher murder rates. It's also a fact that we have a significantly higher national murder rate than the vast majority of nations that don't allow the death penalty
It's obvious that it's not a deterrent, based on the above facts. Whether there's a causal relationship is up to you to decide, but I've advanced a possible hypothesis as to how elsewhere in this thread.
One sure way to make the death penalty a deterrent is...
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 12:26am.
...to take out the murderer the exact same way their victim(s) died.
And do it quick, too. Don't let them sit around at taxpayer's expense for ten or fifteen years. Give 'em one appeal, then either carry out the sentence, or let them go.
Of course, an even better scenario is that the murderer's intended victim is armed, and thus promptly dispatches the would-be murderer straight to Hell.
That's a win-win for everybody. :-)
Oh, and pardon my lapse of manners - welcome to NewsBusters, troll.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Then why state it if you had
Submitted by Chris Norman on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 12:24am.
Then why state it if you had no point? Are you in the habit of just posting "facts" without any purpose? No, you clearly tried to link high murder rates to a presence of the death penalty without any further proof. Now, you are loftily hiding behind the old "you are misunderstanding me" defense. No, we understand you, all right. Your affected condescending tone is no help to you.
Then you haven't looked at the statistics
Submitted by ckc1227 on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 12:41am.
Because they don't back you up at all.
Yeah, "fairly high"compared to what, Vatican City? Idaho?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 11:11pm.
Look up the per capita.
Per Capita
Submitted by bwl on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 11:17pm.
Stats from the FBI are listed here: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state#MRord 13 of 14 non-capital-punishment states are below the national average. Per capita.I'm just curious
Submitted by bkeyser on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 11:19pm.
are you simply linking statistics, or do you have an hypothesis as to why the non-capital punishment states generally have a lower muder rate per 100k?
I Do Have a Hypothesis
Submitted by bwl on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 11:43pm.
If you look at nations that allow capital punishment, they tend to have higher murder rates. Why would that be, if not that the government, by allowing the death penalty, was unconsciously telling its citizens that it didn't value their freedoms? A state or nation that executes people puts a lower value on human life in general. It also puts a lower value on the rights of its citizenry, since there is always the possibility that an innocent person will be executed, since human beings are so fallible and prone to error. As a matter of fact, given the number of executions we commit, it's almost inevitable that we execute a significant number of innocent people. Some would accept that, based on the "you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet," until you ask them if THEY would accept being one of those "eggs."bwl
Submitted by bkeyser on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 11:48pm.
So a lower value on the rights of citizens is the result of a capital punishment society and yet you said you'd rather be put to death than languish in a prison for 50 years.
Why would that be?
That's MY Feeling
Submitted by bwl on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 11:58pm.
Most people would rather spend the 50 years in jail because they're afraid of death. I'm not. That's not the point, however.
The point is that the government, by allowing itself the prerogative of (possibly erroneously) taking an innocent person's life is in effect saying it will accept that wrongful death, the ultimate usurpation of human rights that America says it holds dear.
Hardly the point of view of a nation steeped in the values of "freedom," don't you agree?
bwl
Submitted by bkeyser on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 12:10am.
But if, as you say: Most people would rather spend the 50 years in jail because they're afraid of death then wouldn't it be fair to say that the death penalty actually is a deterent to would-be murderers, and in all likelihood, the murder rates in current death penalty states would in fact be much higher were it not for that deterent?
Are you a pacifist too?
If the Death Penalty's A Deterrent...
Submitted by bwl on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 12:20am.
Why don't the stats show it? Why do we have higher murder rates than France, Germany, Britain, Portugal, etc.? Part of the reason is that most murders are not pre-meditated or are "acts of passion." Gotta go.A dodge followed by a "gotta
Submitted by bkeyser on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 12:25am.
A dodge followed by a "gotta go".
Maybe you'll want to brush up on your debating skills before trying NB again...
bk, I think bwl's argument
Submitted by Chris Norman on Sat, 01/15/2011 - 1:01am.
bk,
I think bwl's argument is reminiscent of "The sky is blue. The sky is made of air. Ergo, air is blue" line of reasoning.
I agree...
Submitted by ckc1227 on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 12:15am.
...that you're an idiot.
Thanks...
Submitted by bwl on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 12:23am.
for the exceedingly rare glimpse of your phenomenal debating skills.
~bwl
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 1:50pm.
Why would that be, if not that the government, by allowing the death penalty, was unconsciously telling its citizens that it didn't value their freedoms? A state or nation that executes people puts a lower value on human life in general. It also puts a lower value on the rights of its citizenry, since there is always the possibility that an innocent person will be executed
I take it you're against abortion? Or do you think that the nation that allows the death penalty for the innocent unborn doesn't put a lower value on human life in general, and the rights of an innocent person?
bwl
Submitted by well99 on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 11:51pm.
Something you have mentioned.Look at the drop in the many states in murder from 1996 to 2009.The majority it looks like.So what is up with that.
LA went from 17.5 to 11.8N
NM2009 8.7 1996 11.5
Md 7.7 11.6
Nev 5.9 13.7
Last Post Tonight, Kids
Submitted by bwl on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 12:17am.
I'm not sure what your point is, except that the general trend has been to lower murder rates in all states. Several states (Alaska, Hawaii, Idaho, Minnesota, NH, Utah) halved their murder rates. Even with this being the case, the fact remains that the death-penalty states have a median higher murder rate, generally about 50-75%. It's possible that the number of executions actually carried out has an effect, since New Hampshire, for instance, hasn't executed anybody in 70 years, even though it has the law on the books.
bwl
Submitted by well99 on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 12:37am.
Go ahead and read your Winnie the Pooh book and go to sleep.Just a note:No person executed has ever murder anyone again.That works for me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6z08NDJrT4&feature=related
I Don't Care
Submitted by JustAl on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 4:57pm.
It doesn't matter what the statistics say, and it doesn't matter how stupid Brokaw is, he simply does not deserve the death penalty. It isn't against the law to be exceedingly stupid and condescending.
I think he should be sentenced to 12 consecutive Saturday nights in AZ bars.
lol
Submitted by well99 on Sat, 01/15/2011 - 12:50am.
Cant stop laughing.That is good.Jon Steward needs to hire you cause he sucks.
I regularly do it. But I'd
Submitted by Cowboy on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 11:19pm.
I regularly do it.
But I'd think twice about going in many bars in Chicago, where they ban guns....
But AZ bans guns in places that serve alcohol
Subject line of the week!
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 11:26pm.
Terse, but yet strangely provocative!
Perhaps Brokaw would feel
Submitted by rbosque on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 12:16am.
Perhaps Brokaw would feel better if he went into a bar in the bad parts of D.C. He'd be wishing someone would carry some heat.
Brokaw
Submitted by RoBoTech on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 12:41am.
"Brokaw: "I Would Be Nervous Going Into A Bar" In Arizona"
That's because you are a sissy Drama Queen.
You SHOULD be nervous going into any bar, jackass.
Of course, you don't have to
Submitted by BigSky1970 on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 2:16am.
Of course, you don't have to go to Arizona to see the inside of a bar.
Bars are for MEN
Submitted by scottyusmc on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 8:07am.
I'm sure he prefers his private club where security is provided by others and "those people" wait on him hand and foot!!! What a pompous a$$.
Yeh right!
Submitted by Patriot II on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 10:48am.
A lying, fabricating, communist wimp like this clown would be nervous ANYWHERE he goes imho!
Sounds Like a Joke
Submitted by JustAl on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 11:09am.
Tom comfortably walks into a gay bar.
The burly bartender says, "Hi Tom, the usual?"
Brokaw, "No, I think I'll have a stiff drink instead."
I know how Mr. Brokaw feels
Submitted by Hoosier Conservative on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 11:15am.
I would be nervous to attend an elitist cocktail party in Mahhattan. I'd be scared the collective liberalism in the air would all but take me out.
Hoosier
Submitted by bkeyser on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 11:36am.
Don't know if you watch South Park, but there's an episode that describes exactly what you're describing, albeit in the realm of hybrid cars and San Fransisco as opposed to Manhattan. But I think the air still smells the same. Smug Alert.
By the way- welcome to the fray!
ha ha!
Submitted by Hoosier Conservative on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 11:41am.
That video was funny. Just about sums up every liberal I know.