Chris Matthews Calls Republican Global Warming Skeptics Luddites
Chris Matthews on Wednesday called Republicans that are skeptical of man's role in global warming Luddites, referring to the 19th century movement in Great Britain that was opposed to changes associated with the Industrial Revolution.
Clearly missing the absurdity in his analogy, the "Hardball" host arrogantly stated (video follows with transcript and commentary):
CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST: Well, take a look at the fight over which Republican congressman will be the new chairman of the House Science Committee. In one corner, it's California's Dana Rohrabacher, who says global warning is a total fraud and says the committee should be used as a bully pulpit against those who believe that humans are causing global warming. In the other corner, well, you've got Ralph Hall of Texas, who says people can't change nature. Well, this is the chairmanship of the House Science Committee, and they're actually fighting over who's less of a believer in science. What a party! Anyway -- the Luddite party's taking over.
You'll be right back -- well, we'll be right back. The Luddites!
For those unfamiliar with the term, the Luddites became a force during the harsh economic times while Britain was engaged in war with Napolean. Modernization was impacting the textile industry, and there were those opposed to such changes as they tended to replace higher paid laborers with those less skilled and cheaper.
The Luddites were therefore viewed to be opposed to progress despite their interests being rooted in economic self-preservation.
In today's parlance, the term is normally used to denigrate those opposed to computerization and technological advancements. The purely cynical could call folks opposed to outsourcing and the movement of manufacturing facilities abroad to cut costs Luddites, although that might be a stretch.
As for Matthews' usage of the term, without even addressing the junk science involved in the anthropogenic global warming theory, this analogy is preposterous for the political solutions to this mythical problem are specifically designed to set nations backwards rather than forwards.
Just this week, the director of Britain's Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research proposed the rationing of carbon dioxide to halt the economic progress of the world's richest nations. As the Telegraph reported Monday:
This would mean a drastic change in lifestyles for many people in countries like Britain as everyone will have to buy less ‘carbon intensive’ goods and services such as long haul flights and fuel hungry cars.
Prof Anderson admitted it “would not be easy” to persuade people to reduce their consumption of goods
He said politicians should consider a rationing system similar to the one introduced during the last “time of crisis” in the 1930s and 40s.
This could mean a limit on electricity so people are forced to turn the heating down, turn off the lights and replace old electrical goods like huge fridges with more efficient models. Food that has travelled from abroad may be limited and goods that require a lot of energy to manufacture.
Sound like progress to you?
Complicating matters further, a very high-ranking official on the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change just two weeks ago admitted that climate policy has absolutely nothing to do with saving the planet but was instead an economic scheme to redistribute wealth from the world's richest nations to the poorer ones.
Of course, it's likely Matthews hasn't heard about these recent revelations for according to LexisNexis, no one on his pathetic network reported these events including him.
Talk about Luddites.
As for the two Republicans in question, Politico reported Tuesday:
Rohrabacher gave his roughly 25-minute pitch to the House GOP steering committee Monday and said the Science panel should be used to spur the next generation of nuclear energy and give a platform to those that question or outright reject science suggesting that humans are causing global warming.
The panel “needs to be used as a bully pulpit because many of the issues brought up by the Democrats is based on phony science,” Rohrabacher told POLITICO. This especially is true of global warming, “which is a total fraud,” he said. “We need to make sure that the Science Committee has a debate which both sides can equally present their sides.”
As you might imagine, climate alarmists like Matthews think the debate is over and don't want both sides heard on this issue.
As for Hall, Matthews misquoted the Congressman. Here's what Politico reported on November 17:
“I’ve had people tell me if we had all the money in the world, put it in Texas Stadium, people couldn’t change nature’s future one iota,” Hall told POLITICO outside the hearing.
As such, Hall didn't say "people can't change nature." He said he's had people tell him that.
Nice job, Chris!
But there's more of note from that Politico piece:
“This administration argues that cutting greenhouse emissions as a policy directive is justified by science,” Hall said at a hearing organized by Democrats and billed as a “rational discussion” on climate science before the GOP takes over. “I think this hearing today will demonstrate and should demonstrate that reasonable people have serious questions about our knowledge of the state of the science,” he added.
Hall, currently the science panel’s ranking member, criticized the administration for proceeding with regulations to slash greenhouse gas emissions despite a staggering national debt and raised doubts about whether those rules are necessary. [...]
Next year, he pledged to have witnesses “testify under oath what the facts are and not to throw away money on something that has real question whether or not it’s going to do what they say.”
Sound unscientific to you to ask for folks on both sides of this debate to testify under oath about what the facts are? Quite the contrary, given some other recent events involving this matter, it seems quite essential.
Consider what Energy Secretary Steven Chu told the National Press Club Monday according to Investor's Business Daily:
Steven Chu said "you don't need 100% certainty" to put solutions in effect. A mere 80% or 90%, he said, is enough. The secretary's not-so-startling comment is revealing on two levels.
First, he admits that, despite the political left's claims that human-caused global warming is occurring and the debate is over, it is not an established fact. It is, at best, speculation. [...]
Second, Chu confirmed what we've been saying for years: The alarmists are using the global warming scare to force Americans to make significant changes in their personal lives. Chu and the rest don't need full certainty. They need just enough to increase taxes, force energy costs higher and regulate our choices.
Indeed, which quite supports what the IPCC official said two weeks ago. But there's more as reported by the Des Moines Register Monday:
Energy Secretary Steven Chu made a pitch today for using biomass to make synthetic versions of gasoline, diesel and jet fuel rather than ethanol. “Ethanol is not an ideal transportation fuel,” Chu said during a question-and-answer session at the National Press Club. Chu said synthetic fuels don’t require the specialized infrastructure, such as pumps and pipelines, that are needed for ethanol.
This came a week after Nobel laureate Al Gore admitted that ethanol mandates were not good policy and that he only supported them in the '90s because he thought it would help him become president. Readers are reminded that it was Vice President Gore that cast the tie-breaking vote in 1994 that created these mandates.
Of course, this was by no means the first time Congress made foolish energy decisions based on junk science. Recall the late 1970s movement away from nuclear powered electrical plants in America which set our energy policy back decades as a result of "China Syndrome" fears.
What was that you were saying about Luddites, Mr. Matthews?
Sadly, Matthews might also not have been aware of either Chu or Gore's comments concerning ethanol as according to LexisNexis nobody on MSNBC reported these revelations including him.
But this has been a consistent pattern in the liberal media concerning global warming: only things that support the alarmist view get reported.
And this is what folks like Matthews consider progress: only reporting one side of an issue while completely ignoring that which challenges their own views.
As a result, I quite imagine Hall and Rohrabacher know far more about anthropogenic global warming than Matthews does. Maybe he should invite them on "Hardball" to discuss it.
According to LexisNexis, Matthews has never interviewed Hall.
As for Rohrabacher, the last time he was on "Hardball" was May 19, 2009. On that day, Matthews asked if the Congressman was a Luddite or a Troglodyte, and refused to debate specific issues related to global warming choosing to instead focus on whether or not Rohrabacher believed in evolution:
As you can see from this video excerpt, Matthews wasn't actually interested in debating science with the Congressman, but instead wanted just to attack Rohrabacher's religious beliefs.
Talk about Luddites.
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Comments
Thank you, Chris.
Submitted by almostacowboy on Thu, 12/02/2010 - 12:45pm.
For not letting me down. I've come to expect so little from you.....and you keep delivering it.
Luddites in action.
Submitted by CobraMan on Thu, 12/02/2010 - 12:50pm.
"Sound like progress to you?"
The intentional rationing (enforce restriction) of technology, materials, energy and manpower? No, that sounds like a Luddite policy to me.
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"Green Cars"
Submitted by Apache on Thu, 12/02/2010 - 12:51pm.
Can someone explain to me why stored energy is considered more "green" than on site energy creation? Is it because you don't see the smoke thus it must not be a problem? Is that the logic? Or does green mean the same now as in the past: "Naive"?
yes and yes
Submitted by wizardjr on Thu, 12/02/2010 - 12:58pm.
Because all electricity will be generated by unicorn farts driving wind turbines or by solar cells covered in three feet of snow up North here, then that energy will run your car "cleanly" thus saving the Polar Bears.
To answer your other question, once conservation morphed into 'green' this and 'green' that it became a mantra for prols to feel good about themselves when in fact they were counter productive. This is why you get such a vitriolic response from them on the blogs. You are attempting to pull their foundation out from under their house of cards.
Color them stupid and lacking in any depth or character. I believe the term is "sheeple".
"Naive" works for me
Submitted by CobraMan on Thu, 12/02/2010 - 1:00pm.
"Naive" works for me, as you still have to create the energy before you can store it. And you still need to release that energy before you can use it. Since each step, the storage and release of energy, is far less efficient than the creation of energy, the battery "cure" is actually worse that the "oil" disease.
By the way, that's just how "fossil fuels" work, by releasing the stored solar and geothermal energy of millions of years ago. In this sense, fossil fuel is the ultimate battery as that particular chemical storage system is hundreds of time more efficient than any "green" battery we can create in the foreseeable future.
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oh no!
Submitted by wizardjr on Thu, 12/02/2010 - 4:00pm.
there ya go again with them pesky facts (*grin*)
Fossil fuels
Submitted by mandrake on Thu, 12/02/2010 - 4:24pm.
Hey, about them fossil fuels. Sooner or later they are going to dry up, maybe around the time we nuke the middle-east. In the meantime I look up in the sky and see this really bright yellow thing that is delivering a boatload of energy every day. Maybe we could do something with that? Just saying.
Night time, remember what that is?
Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 12/02/2010 - 4:52pm.
It might work if it was not in motion every single day. You know, that stuff that we call night time, darkness, or earth's shadow, able to see the strange lights in the sky called stars and planets and galaxies and other forms of stellar material.
Solar energy on a large scale is a pipe dream. There's no one place on earth that it would be a constant, even if it is "delivering a boatload of energy every day." We don't have the technology to take advantage of it on a large scale.
And thanks to the Muslim in chief whose religion goes back to (not just dates back to, but acts too) 600 years or more prior, that technology can't be researched and developed since he set the space program back to Sputnik.
-Jon
That's what they said 30 years ago.
Submitted by CobraMan on Thu, 12/02/2010 - 5:46pm.
"Hey, about them fossil fuels. Sooner or later they are going to dry up, maybe around the time we nuke the middle-east."
That's pretty much what was said more 30 years ago (We'll run out of reserves in 20 years! We're going to nuke the middle east and steal their oil!), when there were several times less available reserves than there are today. Well, that 20 year mark has come and gone, we still haven't nuked the middle east, and there is far more untapped, proven oil reserves available to us now than there was when people made that prediction back in the 70's. I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now.
You guys really need to come up with new scare tactics.
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Yeah, and what was the price
Submitted by mandrake on Thu, 12/02/2010 - 6:11pm.
Yeah, and what was the price of a gallon of gas 30 years ago? (50 cents maybe? I'm too old to remember) But what is it now!!! And where will it be 30 years from now. I say nuke em.
Amd what were the wages 30 years ago?
Submitted by CobraMan on Thu, 12/02/2010 - 6:32pm.
Ask yourself this: what were the wages 30 years ago? Now, compare average wages to average gas prices over the last 30 years and tell me, is gas relatively cheaper now than 30 years ago? Yes, it is.
I've done my own calculations on this and I've discovered that it actually takes less man-hours, less time actually working, to pay for a gallon of gas now than 30 years ago when I first entered the job market. Back than, I made 3 dollars an hour, which was minimum wages..Now I make almost ten times that amount, but the price of gas has increased only 4 to 5 times that amount (due mostly to tax and regulation increases). So, relative to wages, even minimum wages, the price of gas had DECREASED over the last 30 years, not increased. The only thing that has increased, in relation to wages, is the amount of state and federal TAXES on gas, which are, on average, MORE THAN TEN TIMES HIGHER now than they were 30 years ago.
So, don't blame the oil companies or wish to nuke the middle east,. Blame your own various government "officials" and act accordingly.
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libtard gets is backwards.... *shock* *surprise* not
Submitted by wizardjr on Thu, 12/02/2010 - 12:51pm.
It's really a tradgedy in a way that so much information is readily available by so many means, not the least of which is the internet. Because of it, news mumblers like Crissy can no longer get away with public stupidity. Poor Crissy.
Actually I think the whole basis of his statement is what is more interesting for its inversion of fact. He and the other believers think there is actual vetted science proving man made global warming. I am not sure if he is just a watermellon or is terrified of getting kicked out of the cool kids club if he were to point to real science and tell the truth about what we do and don't actually know on this subject. Perhaps both... but then, what do I know? I not a multi million dollar a year news mumbler, just an engineer.
Hey Tingles
Submitted by donabernathy on Thu, 12/02/2010 - 1:29pm.
The earth has gone through seven ice ages. That's seven times transitioning from hot to cold and back. All that before man walked the earth and burned his first piece of coal.
So how is it that man is causing climate change this time?
roflmao
Chris
Submitted by donabernathy on Thu, 12/02/2010 - 2:34pm.
I know you are a busy guy ..what with dialing 1-800- anybody but Pailin to cast your 10,000 plus votes on dancin' with the stars and other important matters. You may have missed the memo.
"The science is settled...They Lied"
roflmao
Gee Whiz Noel
Submitted by forest on Thu, 12/02/2010 - 1:51pm.
That post was so thorough I don't have anything to add.
Good work, but I kinda wanted to rant about this.
Poor Tingles....late to the party
Submitted by Diesel on Thu, 12/02/2010 - 2:16pm.
It's winter Chrissy, you imbecile! Wrong time of the year for AlGore deciples to be preaching!
Gore never preaches during winter....wth is wrong with you?!?!?
Luddites? Really?
Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 12/02/2010 - 2:33pm.
This from a bunch of people that wants to see us broken like that of a Third World country.....How progressive.(I always thought Progressive meant going forward, improving things, while the libs are the exact opposite)
-Jon
Shouldn't "Luddites" be a compliment?
Submitted by jimbo297 on Thu, 12/02/2010 - 2:36pm.
After all, the greenies are always telling us how global warming started in the industrial revolution. If the Luddites had their way, we'd be right where the wack-jobs would want us to be-a population of only 1 billion people living without the benefit of technology to make our lives more comfortable.
Looking forward to hearing all the anchors on MSNBC (Matthews Says Nothing But Cra*) finally disclose their relationship to GE and GE's relationship with the Fed. That's happening, right?
Deos Matthews have the courage to . . .
Submitted by Galvanic on Thu, 12/02/2010 - 2:57pm.
. . . have Prof. Lindzen of MIT -- professor of meteorology -- on his program? He's one of the world's leading authorities on climate change, and he's been a skeptic of AGW since the beginning.
Let Prof. Lindzen make his case, and then Matthews can call him a Luddite . . . if he dares.
krissy you dumbo listen up and try to comprehend
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Thu, 12/02/2010 - 3:35pm.
The earth has gone through seven ice ages. That's seven transitions from hot to cold and back all before man walked this planet and burned his first piece of coal.
How Mr.Tingles is any client fluctuation NOW caused by man?
Huh?
Submitted by CobraMan on Thu, 12/02/2010 - 3:55pm.
"Energy Secretary Steven Chu made a pitch today for using biomass to make synthetic versions of gasoline, diesel and jet fuel rather than ethanol"
Hay, idiot Chu, ethanol IS a "synthetic version" of gasoline. Just like gasoline (or diesel), ethanol is a hydrocarbon, which, if you knew anything about chemistry, comes from, you guessed it, BIOMASS!. If you try to synthesis a hydrocarbon from any form of biomass, you invariably end up with another hydrocarbon like ethanol, methanol, methane, ect, even "biodiesel" fuel, which is just just another form of hydrocarbon based diesel fuel like we refine from crude oil.
The only difference between ethanol and gasoline is in the number of carbon and hydrogen atoms that comprise each molecule. Gasoline is far more efficient because of it's molecular makeup, not it source. As Gasoline is "synthesized" naturally through high heat and pressure, the only way to "synthesize" its replacement would be through high heat and pressure (a process which "cracks" the longer-chained hydrocarbon molecules like ethanol and "forms" gasoline), something that crude oil has already been subjected through naturally. Just how do you plan to "synthesize" the high heat and pressure required to form a "synthetic" gasoline molecule without requiring VAST amount of energy, energy that the Earth provided through tens of thousands, and even millions of years, of the underground compression of biomass?
You can't do that efficiently, as it would take far more energy to "synthesize" that gasoline molecule that you could possibly recover by "burning" it. This is why life itself has never been able to "synthesize" anything close to the efficiency of that "gasoline" hydrocarbon, even after BILLIONS of years of evolution. It takes far more energy to create that "gasoline" molecule than you can possibly recover. So, your dreams of "synthetic" gasoline are nothing more than a pipe dream. Basic chemistry doesn't allow it. Science itself, the laws of nature itself, doesn't allow it.
I can't believe this is the man who's running the Department of Energy. He can't even understand basic chemistry! He doesn't understand science, especially the "science" of energy!
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Expect to see more of this
Submitted by jdhawk on Thu, 12/02/2010 - 4:27pm.
Expect to see more of this crap from the lame stream media. Of course, they will bring up anything except the failure that already is the UN AGW meeting in Cancun. The laterst - Japan is pulling out of Koyota . . .
Nevertheless, liberal groups, lame stream media, dimocrats are all going to keep this going so long as is possible. This administration is going to implement as many roadbloacks to growth through the crap they call "green" whatever. Hopefully our new House reps will keep them at bay. They have their work cut out for them.
When AlBore moves or sells his mansion on the beach in Carmel, California then you can start worrying. Keep enjoying your SUVs, unfettered use of cheap electricity and natual gas.
If the dimocrats ever get back in power like they were recently, all bets are off. They will destroy the US with "green" whatever.