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By Noel Sheppard | October 28, 2010 | 17:17

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For a man who thinks Social Security is the most important social safety net we have in America, Barack Obama appears to know very little about its history.

Consider that on Wednesday, the President actually told the "Daily Show's" Jon Stewart that Social Security benefits originally only applied to widows and orphans (video available here, transcript and commentary follow):

BARACK OBAMA: If the point, Jon, is that overnight we did not transform the health care system, that point is true.

(Laughter)

JON STEWART, HOST: But when you put it that way, it seems so petty. ..

OBAMA: When we promised during the campaign, change you can believe in…

STEWART: Right.

OBAMA: …it wasn't change you can believe in, in 18 months. It was change you can believe in, but, you know what, we're going to have to work for it. The history of this country, let me make this point because I think it's really important.

STEWART: I think it’s a good point.

OBAMA: Look, when Social Security was passed, it applied to widows and orphans. And it was a very restricted program. And over time that structure that was built ended up developing into the most important social safety net that we have in our country. The same is true on every piece of progressive legislation, every bit of progress that we've made.

No, Mr. President. According to SSA.gov:

Although Social Security did not really arrive in America until 1935, there was one important precursor, that offered something we could recognize as a social security program, to one special segment of the American population. Following the Civil War, there were hundreds of thousands of widows and orphans, and hundreds of thousands of disabled veterans. In fact, immediately following the Civil War a much higher proportion of the population was disabled or survivors of deceased breadwinners than at any time in America's history. This led to the development of a generous pension program, with interesting similarities to later developments in Social Security. (The first national pension program for soldiers was actually passed in early 1776, prior even to the signing of the Declaration of Independence. Throughout America's ante-bellum period pensions of limited types were paid to veterans of America's various wars. But it was with the creation of Civil War pensions that a full-fledged pension system developed in America for the first time.)

The Civil War Pension program began shortly after the start of the War, with the first legislation in 1862 providing for benefits linked to disabilities "incurred as a direct consequence of . . .military duty." Widows and orphans could receive pensions equal in amount to that which would have been payable to their deceased solider [sic] if he had been disabled. In 1890 the link with service-connected disability was broken, and any disabled Civil War veteran qualified for benefits. In 1906, old-age was made a sufficient qualification for benefits. So that by 1910, Civil War veterans and their survivors enjoyed a program of disability, survivors and old-age benefits similar in some ways to the later Social Security programs. By 1910, over 90% of the remaining Civil War veterans were receiving benefits under this program, although they constituted barely .6% of the total U.S. population of that era. Civil War pensions were also an asset that attracted young wives to elderly veterans whose pensions they could inherit as the widow of a war veteran. Indeed, there were still surviving widows of Civil War veterans receiving Civil War pensions as late as 1999!

As such, the CWP was a precursor to Social Security, but was not the beginning of the program.

Obama also misrepresented this pension plan, for benefits could go to disabled veterans and/or their associated widows and orphans. As such, the President even got the fundamentals of this program wrong.

As for Social Security, the first recipient of such a benefits check was "a retired Cleveland motorman named Ernest Ackerman, who retired one day after the Social Security program began. During his one day of participation in the program, a nickel was withheld from Mr. Ackerman's pay for Social Security, and, upon retiring, he received a lump-sum payment of 17 cents."

Safe to say Ackerman was neither a widow nor an orphan.

Of course, we shouldn't expect the so-called smartest president in American history to know the difference between Social Security and the Civil War Pension program any more than we should expect Stewart to either be aware of the distinction or correct the President on national television.

After all, one really doesn't have to know the facts of subjects you discuss on television anymore regardless of your position - as long as you're a liberal, that is.

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Obama doesn't know

Submitted by sam12663 on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 5:21pm.

American history?

 

Color me surprised.

Liberals lie, it's what they do.   
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sam

Submitted by well99 on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 10:33pm.

American history or world history it doesnt matter.Didnt even know Auschwitz was in Poland.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV1sxq8mqvA

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So....Mr. Superbrain......

Submitted by BEGRUNT on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 6:19pm.

Mr. MENSA, Mr. Haaaaavaaaad, the smartest guy EVER to occupy the White House, demonstrates once again how galactically ignorant he is.  No wonder he never wants his school transcripts unsealed!!!!! 

"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"

Cicero

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SS is kind of vague and I

Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 7:32pm.

SS is kind of vague and I don't hold the idea Obama doesn't know or misrepresented the program as he did against him.  Its pretty small potatoes compared to what he is misrepresenting like the recovery or the saving of jobs.  Whatever SS was it must change and morph into a savings plan for individual retirement.

I believe in pensions and financial security, but it is a classic ant and the grasshopper fable.  We must let the people understand they must fend for themselves and make their way in the world.

i remember some stories about the fall of the USSR and how the citizens were finding it hard to cope with the freedom to fail and die because the state was no longer in charge.

Nuke em til they glow; then shoot em in the dark
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I agree that it is small potatos; I disagree that USSR was ....

Submitted by acaiguana on Fri, 10/29/2010 - 7:47am.

My point about your post is that you ignore the lesson from the USSR, which was:

"You can only steal everything once"

You are right, he misrepresents jobs.

The economy loses X number of jobs, let's say 1 Million, but it creates jobs, let'';s say, 100K.

He says, "Hey, look, we created new jobs!"

Oh well.

Liberal Math again.

Here's some Liberal Math.

ACA

...

Quoted from: 'Acaiguana notes from the Underground' (Soon to be at theaters near you)

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acaiguana....libs brain size....

Submitted by ww thumper on Fri, 10/29/2010 - 1:41pm.

Wow!    that's a lot to cram into that Penut size Lib brain!      :-)    WW

 

 

MY  PASTOR  SAYS  "GOD   BLESS   AMERICA"!!!

  I ASK    " GOD  SAVE  AMERICA, AND RESTORE OUR    AMERICAN  HONOR!"

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Perhaps he had recently been

Submitted by GregE on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 8:39pm.

Perhaps he had recently been told by Biden, the story of FDR going on TV in 1929 to address the nation, nevermind that FDR wasn't president and Americans didn't know what TV was yet.  Minor details.  So widows, orphans, one legged gay dwarfs - whatever makes a good story.

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GregE Problem with BS O &

Submitted by ww thumper on Fri, 10/29/2010 - 1:46pm.

Biden is that ....they  don't know  ... what they don't know...    WW

 

 

MY  PASTOR  SAYS  "GOD   BLESS   AMERICA"!!!

  I ASK    " GOD  SAVE  AMERICA, AND RESTORE OUR    AMERICAN  HONOR!"

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It is not at all unreasonable

Submitted by Jer on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 11:01pm.

It is not at all unreasonable to conclude the President was referring to the Civil War Pension program which, as is noted, was indeed a form of social security limited to widows and orphans.

"Despite the fact that America had a "social security" program in the form of Civil War pensions since 1862, this precedent did not extend itself to the general society. The expansion of these types of benefit programs to the general population, under Social Security, would have to await additional social and historical developments."  (SSA.gov)

Jer

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It's not at all unreasonable

Submitted by botg on Fri, 10/29/2010 - 12:13am.

to expect the POTUS to say what he means either.  a pension is a pension, Social Security is Social Security, your cite even capitalizes one and not the other

 

“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts

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It would be unreasonable, however---

Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 10/29/2010 - 12:29am.

to expect Jer to pass up an opportunity to play the recovery position behind his mealy mouthed messiah.

The equivalent placement in a parade would be the sanitation engineer at the tail end of the festivities who shovels up all the manure.

Talk about shovel ready.

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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Jer says he voted for Nader

Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Fri, 10/29/2010 - 2:32am.

Jer says he voted for Nader but I am convinced he voted for Obama.  Obama has dissappointed him so much and he is ashamed now that he wont admit it.  Just look at the way he stumps for Obama, just in this thread alone.  Yep he voted for Obama.

Nuke em til they glow; then shoot em in the dark
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Jer says he voted for Nader

Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 10/29/2010 - 8:58am.

Really? Wonder why? Maybe he is still driving a Corvair?

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Boudin....voted for Nader....

Submitted by ww thumper on Fri, 10/29/2010 - 2:08pm.

Nader.....obama......one's about as DUMMM  as the other .....you don't have to be much brighter than a cave to vote for eather one of them...    WW

 

 

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nader?

Submitted by ckc1227 on Fri, 10/29/2010 - 10:14am.

Geez, as if Obama wasn't bad enough, lol.


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~Not so

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Fri, 10/29/2010 - 11:45am.

Some months ago when I commented that libs wouldn't admit to voting for Obama anymore Jer popped up and "proudly" admitted that he pulled the lever for Obama and would not hesitate to make that same choice again.

Obama's WTF 2012 campaign slogan: "A dog in every pot"
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You are right, my old age and

Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Fri, 10/29/2010 - 1:29pm.

You are right, my old age and sleepyness made me transpose ADK and Jer.  Man I need a life.

Jer I apologize for the misinformation.  Dang that hurt.

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~ROFL

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Fri, 10/29/2010 - 8:15pm.

I could see you wincing, Dan.

At this point, I think it would be less embarrassing to have voted for Nader so I don't think I did Jer any favors. Hahaha!

Obama's WTF 2012 campaign slogan: "A dog in every pot"
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About my non vote for Nader...

Submitted by Jer on Fri, 10/29/2010 - 8:44pm.

I figured I would let you twist in the wind a bit longer before accepting your apology, Dan.  ;-)  (Actually, I just now saw this series of posts.  Tracking???  Dear God and NB...please get tracking restored.)

And for the record [it's in the archives somewhere]:  My first choice was the more centrist Evan Bayh.  If Hillary had been the Dem candidate and Romney the GOP candidate, I would have definitely voted for Romney.  Between Romney and Obama, it would have been a close call.  Between McCain and Obama, it was not a close call.  Yes, I do defend Obama frequently--particularly against some of the more outrageous accusations--but, I certainly don't consider him immune from criticism.

Jer

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You defend Obama frequently---

Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 10/29/2010 - 10:29pm.

because he makes it necessary because of a misinterpreted mandate, megalomania and malfeasance; and because you are a liberal Democrat.

NTTAWW defending your hero, but I wouldn't continually defend a worthless jughead like him because at some point common sense would take over.

Oh, yeah.

Liberal Democrat.

Never mind.

MD  

 

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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Glad to see

Submitted by UpNorth on Fri, 10/29/2010 - 8:23pm.

the Pres finally recognizes that the Social Security program was set up for widows and orphans in the 57 states. 

To re-elect Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and hitting the iceberg again.
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That bucket of water must be heavy.

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 10/29/2010 - 12:37am.

   And you still got 2 more years to carry it.

  How is a program designed to give money to someone that lost thier leg in a war similar to someone that pays into a system that pays them back when they retire?

Let''s note the important parts of this article, shall we?

...was one important precursor...

a : one that precedes and indicates the approach of another

NOW. NOW. NOW. NOW. NOW. Again NOW. Let's look at your statement.

...indeed a form of social security...

A form of social security? ARE YOU FRIGGIN' HIGH? It is a early precursor to the VA/military retirement system if anything.

I get a PENSION from the government in the form of 20 years of active duty with the Armed Forces of the United States. Is that a form of social security?

I give back 6% of the money as a survivor benefit allowance so that should I die, my surviving wife will get half of that money until she dies. Is that a form of social security?

Under your, and presumably the Guy you Carry Water For (GCWF), definition, any monthly check from the government for ANY REASON could be considered some form of social security.

...limited to widows and orphans....

Uh, am I the only one able to read here? The pension went to guys wounded in the war was well. That was the whole point of the thing. Wounded or Killed in the Civil War.

Let;s look one more time.

...limited to widows and orphans....

Following the Civil War, there were hundreds of thousands of widows and orphans, and hundreds of thousands of disabled veterans.

...indeed a form of social security...

Although Social Security did not really arrive in America until 1935...

And from the very cut&paste you presented -

...this precedent did not extend itself to the general society...

Please Please Please at least try in the future. Remember, you used to make your living off the English language.

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Uhhh, yes it is….

Submitted by JPR1 on Fri, 10/29/2010 - 12:38am.

 You’re trying to tell us that this “Oh so intelligent leader” confused/equated a Civil War era program with the Social security Act of 1935; legislation that has been contentious since its inception?

Seriously! Pretend for just a moment you’re an Ivy League professor and in reviewing an exam you encounter an error in understanding such as this. How do you score the paper?

Out here in the real world we get to call Buuuullllsh!!!!t.

This is the spin of a very desperate man.

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Well unfortunately JPR

Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 10/29/2010 - 8:48am.

you’re an Ivy League professor and in reviewing an exam

 

This is probably where this BS started, to libs there are no wrong answers, just stupid questions! : (

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Last Civil War widow dies in 2004...

Submitted by Paul G on Fri, 10/29/2010 - 3:00pm.

Now It doesn't say whether she still collected the Civil War Pension, but an interesting article none the less...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-05-31-war-widow_x.htm
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