Matthews Calls Limbaugh 'Walrus Underwater': Was This a Vulgar Reference?
CRITICAL UPDATES AT END OF POST including Matthews saying "Bush regime" in 2002.
Chris Matthews on Friday referred to conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh as a walrus underwater.
Chatting with guests Chuck Todd and Andrew Ross Sorkin about Limbaugh's recent comments concerning President Obama, Matthews quipped, "And this guy, this walrus underwater, makes fun of this administration, calling it a 'regime.'"
Was this a vulgar reference to a walrus video that went somewhat viral on YouTube last year?
Before we explore the possibility, here's Matthews' defamatory comments towards Limbaugh on Friday's "Hardball" (video embedded below the fold with transcript, h/t NB reader Mike, file photo):
CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST: OK, let`s go to the politics pure and simple here, Chuck. Here`s the president -- I want you to respond to this. Here he is with Harry Smith this morning on CBS "Morning News" going over his enemies list, basically. I`ve never seen a president -- well, not since Nixon fought with Dan Rather have we really seen kind of rivalry where the president cites by names his critics. And they are his critics, in all fairness. Let`s listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
HARRY SMITH, CBS NEWS: Are you aware of the level of enmity that crosses the airwaves and that people have made part of their daily conversation about you?
SMITH: It`s beyond that.
OBAMA: ... it`s pretty apparent, and it`s troublesome.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MATTHEWS: Well, we`ve got the response to that. Here`s -- here`s -- you know, this guy is no frail flower, if you will. He doesn`t hide. Here`s what Rush Limbaugh said to "The D.C. Examiner" today. Quote, "Never in my life have I seen a regime like this, governing against the will of the people purposely -- purposely. I have never seen the media so supportive of a regime amassing so much power, and I`ve never known so many people who literally fear for the future."
This is to me -- I`ll just give you a little editorial (INAUDIBLE) I`ve never seen language like this in the American press, referring to an elected representative government, elected in a totally fair, democratic, American election -- we will have another one in November, we`ll have another one for president in a couple years -- fair, free, and wonderful democracy we have in this country. And this guy, this walrus underwater, makes fun of this administration, calling it a "regime." We know that word, "regime." It was used by recent presidents (INAUDIBLE) by George Bush, "regime change." You go to war with regimes. Regimes are tyrannies. They`re juntas. They`re military coups. The use of the word "regime" in American political parlance is unacceptable, and someone should tell the walrus to stop using it.
Your thoughts, Chuck.
CHUCK TODD: Well, I`ll say this. You know, which has come first, though, in this?
TODD: Are we seeing more of this out there, or does more -- do the -- or does this get more attention? I mean, if you go back in history, whether it was FDR, whether it was Kennedy, whether it was Reagan, you know, there`s been plenty of this, you know, overhyped attacks either from the left or the right...
MATTHEWS: I never heard the word "regime"...
TODD: ... in going after a president...
MATTHEWS: ... before, have you?
TODD: No, the point is, it`s out there. It just didn`t get the attention. And the question is, does this stuff just have more of a platform than it ever has before? But I want to get to another point on this, Chris...
MATTHEWS: You mean the John Birch Society now has a voice of radio, is what you`re saying. I mean, we`re now hearing...
TODD: That`s the point...
MATTHEWS: ... the kind of language...
MATTHEWS: ... used to hear when those right-wingers would call Eisenhower a communist and his brother a communist, the Johns Hopkins -- all of a sudden...
TODD: Or FDR.
MATTHEWS: ... that kind of loony-toon talk...
TODD: Or Father Coughlin.
MATTHEWS: ... has found its way onto the airwaves -- Father Coughlin.
MATTHEWS: I don`t even think Joe McCarthy ever called this government a "regime."
TODD: But let me get to this other point about the president, which is -- I thought you pointed out something very interesting at the beginning, how he calls out his media enemies, essentially, like Nixon.
TODD: Unlike a lot of presidents, this president brings this issue with the media up constantly, to the point of where, you know, on one hand, you could look at it and said, Jeez, he`s being a little thin-skinned. On the other hand, he`s clearly trying to send a message of his frustration, I think, with the way that the collective media -- and when he`s talking there, he`s not just talking about journalists...
TODD: ... he`s talking about opinion media -- that the entire noise that he sees here in Washington -- and so you wonder how much of it -- you know, is he bringing more attention to it than it deserves, as well?
Interesting. But what was the "walrus underwater" reference?
Well, a few months ago, a video was posted on YouTube of a walrus performing a sexual act on itself.
Was this what Matthews was referring to? What else could it have been?
A Google search identified no slang references to walruses other than the obviously famous Beatles' one.
Regardless of the answer, all of Matthews' hyperventilation concerning Limbaugh's use of the word "regime" was rather hypocritical, for all he'd have to do was go back in the MSNBC archives to find a so-called journalist similarly referring to the Bush administration on September 11, 2006 (h/t Mediaite):
Maybe Matthews should correct himself Monday, but don't hold your breath.
*****Update: Olbermann wasn't the only person on MSNBC to refer to the Bush administration as a regime.
Pennsylvania Congressman Joe Sestak did it on the January 8 episode of the "Ed Show":
In George Bush`s regime only one million jobs have been created in his whole eight years, net, and in President Clinton`s 23 million.
Schultz himself said it on the August 21, 2009, installment of his show:
The Bush regime was still in power, Bush, Cheney, Rummy, the whole crowd was still there.
Rachel Sklar said it on the September 21, 2006, installment of "Scarborough Country":
Well, I mean, Rush`s statements kind of darkly suggested that the liberal media, expressing their dissatisfaction with the Bush regime, was emboldening other leaders and other countries.
Ralph Nader actually said it on Matthew's own "Hardball" on July 7, 2004:
And if you look at our Web site, Chris, VoteNader.org, you'll see how we take apart the Bush regime in ways that the Democrats should emulate, if they had the nerve.
Democrat presidential candidate John Kerry called for "regime change" in America while on the stump in 2003, and MSNBC's Joe Scarborough discussed it in detail with guest Frank Luntz on April 11 of that year:
SEN. JOHN KERRY (D), MASSACHUSSETTS: What we need now is not just a regime change in Saddam Hussein and Iraq but we need a regime change in the United States.
SCARBOROUGH: Now that guy was obviously playing - I mean Kerry's a smart guy, obviously playing to New England Democrats but how is that going to play on one of your focus groups next year that clip right there comparing the regime of George Bush to the regime of Saddam Hussein?
LUNTZ: Not does that not play with mainstream America but even with mainstream Democrats who are watching, people who voted for Al Gore, more than half of them are going to hear that clip and it's going to make them cringe. It's too strong actually equating a regime in America with a regime in Iraq, the fact that we are a democracy and they obviously were not, are not and we hope that they may be at some point in the future. That was targeted specifically at raising money from only the most left wing Democrats but here's the problem. He could end up winning the battle, which is the Democratic nomination. With quotes like that and that anger, with quotes like that he'll never become President of the United States.
SCARBOROUGH: It's going to kill him with the swing voters. It's got to kill him with the swing voters that you focus on every four years around the presidential election.
But even better, Matthews said "Bush regime" on his own "Hardball" program on June 14, 2002:
So is the Bush administration using the, using the terror war to curb civil liberties here at home? Let's go to the Reverend Al Sharpton. Reverend Sharpton, what do you make of this letter and this panoply of the left condemning the Bush regime?
You were saying, Chris?
*****Update II: Matthews used the walrus underwater term later in the program while chatting with the Washington Post's Perry Bacon and Mother Jones's David Corn:
I have never heard that language. This is not Stalin. This isn`t some junta. He was elected the same way, and a Republican would be elected. And next time, if a Republican is elected, it will be a Republican administration. It won`t be a regime. We don`t have regimes in this country. We have Franklin Roosevelt. We have Truman. We have Ronald Reagan. We have administrations.
To use that word regime suggests to me, just kill the Nazis, regime change. More part of this neo-con lingo.
BACON: It certainly does. I disagree with David slightly here. I`m not sure the Republican leadership could stop these things if they wanted to. John Boehner --
CORN: They appeared before an audience that was shouting Nazis, referring to the Democrats and Obama, and they didn`t stop it. They didn`t say don`t do that. So they actually got the permit for the crowd to appear and do that. It seems at least it`s implied acceptance.
BACON: They should condemn the rhetoric. I`m not sure John Boehner is the leader of the Tea -- if John Boehner condemned it tomorrow, do you think these things would stop?
MATTHEWS: Let me follow you up there, Perry, follow you up on the post. Why do you think the president -- let`s spread this around a bit -- do you think he is -- we had this Michele Bachmann, who is a figure on the right. She was saying that Nancy Pelosi, by walking past all the protesters during the vote over health care, was stirring them up, by creating kind of a civil rights rally look to it, that would trigger them. Do you buy that? Did that trigger the crowd up?
BACON: I don`t think that triggered the crowd up. The imagery with her and John Lewis was, I think, a design, in some ways, to say we are standing together.
BACON: I don`t think it was meant to be provocative. I wouldn`t agree with that at all. Yes.
MATTHEWS: What are about the president zeroing in -- the new phrase is calling out, going after Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck, the fact that he is using the names of basically personalities, not office holders? Is that something you think is to provoke more trouble? Does he want them to hate him? Does he want them to be the chief haters? I`m trying to be open minded here. You`re on the liberal side. Why is the president naming names?
CORN: Listen, because we all know who the 80 pound gorillas or elephants are in the room. He was acknowledging reality.
According to LexisNexis, Matthews has referred to Limbaugh as a walrus underwater before, most recently on January 13:
RUSH LIMBAUGH (radio talk show host): (From videotape.) This will play right into Obama's hands -- humanitarian, compassionate. They'll use this to burnish their, shall we say, credibility with the black community, the both light-skinned and dark-skinned black community in this country. It's made to order for him. That's why he couldn't wait to get out there -- could not wait to get out there.
MATTHEWS: What do you make of that? I mean, I've compared him -- he talks like he's a walrus underwater. But yet the words are worse than the sound. What do you make of that kind of commentary, stirring the pot on race in this country, on complexion within the black community, the whole thing, using this tragedy to do that?
For the record, this was six days after the Huffington Post published the viral YouTube walrus video (link withheld for decency).
The video in question was posted at YouTube on March 15, 2009. Three months later, on June 10, Matthews also used this expression: "Doug, it`s not too cartoonish to describe Rush Limbaugh as sort of a walrus underwater."
According to LexisNexis, these are the only times Matthews has used this phrase to describe Limbaugh, all subsequent to the walrus video's posting on YouTube.
*****Update III: Byron York supported our view of this "regime" issue in his Washington Examiner piece Saturday...
It appears that Matthews has suffered a major memory loss. I don't have the facilities to search for every utterance of Joe McCarthy, but a look at more recent times reveals many, many, many examples of the phrase "Bush regime." In fact, a search of the Nexis database for "Bush regime" yields 6,769 examples from January 20, 2001 to the present.