There was a marvelous fireworks display on Sunday's "This Week" when Fox News chairman Roger Ailes squared off against liberal media powerhouses Arianna Huffington, Paul Krugman, and substitute host Barbara Walters.
The one standing at the end likely didn't vote for Barack Obama.
In the second half of the Roundtable segment, Walters began by asking her conservative guest about the White House's much-publicized battle with his network.
Almost as if scripted, this teed up Huffington and Krugman to voice their displeasure with Fox.
Fortunately, Ailes was up to the challenge making for a very entertaining segment (video embedded below the fold with partial transcript and commentary):
BARBARA WALTERS, HOST: That was President Obama appearing before House Republicans at their annual retreat on Friday, an unusually open and honest back-and-forth, and we'll talk more about that with our roundtable. George Will, Arianna Huffington, Paul Krugman, and Roger Ailes, who is chairman and CEO of Fox News.Roger, just let me begin with you. You have had your own back-and-forth with the White House. They were not very happy with you, banned you for a while. Have you kissed and made up? Is it hunky-dory?
ROGER AILES. CHAIRMAN FOX NEWS CHANNEL: Well, they tried to ban us. They tried to break the pool, but the other networks stepped up and protected Fox on it, because it was tortuous (ph) interference with a contractual relationship and sort of tramping around on the Constitution...
WALTERS: But now you're OK.
AILES: We're fine. I mean, we were -- it was not as bad as it was played, and things are not as great (ph) as they should be, but we have a good dialogue. And I saw the president and his wife at the media Christmas party. They were very gracious, very nice, both of them. And we have a dialogue every day with them.
WALTERS: Aw, shucks. It was more fun the other way.
AILES: Well, I'll pick a fight if you want. I mean, I'll be happy to get into one.
(LAUGHTER)
AILES: But I think there will be others. We have differences, but...
Round one to Ailes. Next up was the uber-liberal Huffington:
ARIANNA HUFFINGTON: Well, Roger, it's not a question of picking a fight. And aren't you concerned about the language that Glenn Beck is using, which is, after all, inciting the American people? There is a lot of suffering out there, as you know, and when he talks about people being slaughtered, about who is going to be the next in the killing spree...
(CROSSTALK)
AILES: Well, he was talking about Hitler and Stalin slaughtering people. So I think he was probably accurate. Also, I'm a little....
HUFFINGTON: No, no, he was talking about this administration.
AILES: I don't -- I think he speaks English. I don't know, but I mean, I don't misinterpret any of his words. He did say one unfortunate thing, which he apologized for, but that happens in live television. So I don't think it's -- I think if we start going around as the word police in this business, it will be...
HUFFINGTON: It's not about the word police. It's about something deeper. It's about the fact that there is a tradition as the historian Richard Hofstetter said, in American politics, of the paranoid style. And the paranoid style is dangerous when there is real pain out there. I mean, with...
AILES: I agree with you. I read something on your blog that said I looked like J. Edgar Hoover, I had a face like a fist, and I was essentially a malignant tumor...
HUFFINGTON: Well, that's...
AILES: And I thought -- and then it got nasty after that...
HUFFINGTON: ... that was never by anybody that we had...
(CROSSTALK)
AILES: Then it really went nasty, and I thought, gee, maybe Arianna ought to cut this out, but...
Round two for Ailes. Enter Paul Krugman stage FAR left:
PAUL KRUGMAN, NEW YORK TIMES: If I can just -- you know, what bothers me is not the nasty language. Glenn Beck doesn't, you know, it's not -- what bothers me is the fact that people are not getting informed, that we are going through major debates on crucial policy issues; the public is not learning about them. And you know, you can say, well, they can read the New York Times, which will tell them what they need to know, but you know, most people don't. They don't read it thoroughly. They get -- on this health care thing, I'm a little obsessed with it, because it's a key issue for me. People did not know what was in the plan, and some of that was just poor reporting, some of it was deliberate misinformation. I have here in front of me when President Obama said, you know, why -- he said rhetorically, why aren't we going to do a health care plan like the Europeans have, with a government-run program, and then proceeds to explain whey he's different. On Fox News, what appeared was a clipped quote, "why don't we have a European-style health care plan?" Right, deliberate misinformation.
All of that has contributed to a situation where the public...
AILES: Wait a minute, wait a minute...
KRUGMAN: I can show you the clip, and you can...
(CROSSTALK)
AILES: The American people are not stupid...
KRUGMAN: No, they're not stupid. They are uninformed.
AILES: If you say -- if (inaudible) words are in the Constitution, if the founding fathers managed -- they didn't need 2,000 pages of lawyers to hide things, then tell, then tell...
KRUGMAN: Oh, come on. Legislation always is long.
AILES: ... then tell people it's an emergency that we get it, but it won't go into effect for three years. So you don't have time to read it, you...
(CROSSTALK)
Round three for Ailes.
Clearly sensing they were losing, Huffington and Krugman decided to try a tag-team:
KRUGMAN: People, again, this was a plan that is -- it's actually a Republican plan. It's Mitt Romney's health care plan. People were led to believe that it was socialism. That's -- and that was deliberate. That wasn't just poor reporting.
(CROSSTALK)
HUFFINGTON: There are two separate problems...
AILES: Let me ask you a question, just as an example...
(CROSSTALK)
HUFFINGTON: ... let me just answer that, because there is a problem in the fact that there wasn't a plan. There wasn't a plan that people could understand. There were (inaudible) plans with a lot of differences. But there is also a problem when it comes to the words being used. Words matter. And words that are actually being used by people we hire are different than the words that are being used by commenters on our sites, like you mentioned.
(CROSSTALK)
AILES: But there are 300 million people who have a health care plan that they are happy with. There are about 30 million people who don't have a health care plan. So as an executive, what do you do? You go fix the 30 million. You don't go over here and upset the apple cart for 300 million...
KRUGMAN: Which is exactly what the plan was.
AILES: No, no, no...
KRUGMAN: It was trying (ph) to leave the employer-based health care...
(CROSSTALK)
AILES: ... $500 billion away from old people.
The Huffington-Krugman tag-team didn't work. So, Walters moments later jumped into the ring and tried to weaken their opponent by bringing up the former governor of Alaska:
WALTERS: I just want to ask, in the few seconds we have left, Sarah Palin is now on your payroll. OK? 2012, presidential candidate?
AILES: I have no -- no idea, no idea whether she even wants to. I don't think she -- she knows. I mean, everybody hates her who's ever written a book because they didn't sell many. She wrote a book and it sold two million in two weeks, and so now they hate her, they have a new reason to hate her. I don't know...
WALTERS: But you hired her to be a commentator. Do you think -- so you must think she has some qualifications? She seems to be very popular with certain groups. Do you think she has the qualifications to be president?
AILES: FOX News is fair and balanced. We had Geraldine Ferraro on for 10 years as the only woman the Democrats ever nominated. Now we have the only woman that the Republicans nominated. I'm not in politics, I'm in ratings. We're willing.
HUFFINGTON: Roger, you clearly are in ratings, but if you are in ratings, can you explain to me why FOX went away from the meeting the president was having in -- why did you go away, 20 minutes before the end?
AILES: Because we're the most trusted name in news.
HUFFINGTON: OK and on that note...
WALTERS: I thought we were the most trusted name in news.
AILES: And we believe two liberal polls have now proven it.
Ouch. Say good night!
Add it all up, and Ailes took on three of the left's media darlings without getting a scratch.
The next time he's invited on the producers should substitute another liberal for George Will to see if four leftists can fare better against the Fox News chairman than three.
I don't know about you, but I can't wait.
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Ouch indeed
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 15:51 ET by jacktheripperthat was a pleasure to watch
Wait, I have lotion
Lost in translation?
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 15:53 ET by tim413How often does Arianna use the word "fact"? I think it must have many, many different meanings in her native tongue.
Stop federal judges from foisting their notions of "fairness" on the States. Amend the 14th Amendment! - tim413
When did Arianna Huffington start morphing into...
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 19:42 ET by Mitch NJHelen Thomas?
The left's usual gambit of
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 15:54 ET by jdhawkThe left's usual gambit of ganging up on a conservative clearly didn't work here. Ailes kicked everyone's butts. Great job!
Since you brought up 'Butts'
Mon, 02/01/2010 - 06:17 ET by DoktorFrankenAs far as I'm concerned, Huffington can pull out whatever she has stuck up her butt and chew on it.
Sarah Palin: The Most Dangerous Conservative In America
Zsa Zsa Huffington tried to blame her commenters
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 15:55 ET by OxyCon...for all the vile things posted on her blog. That just begs the question, if nearly all of the Huffington Post's commenters usually post way over the top hate speech, then what is it about her blog which attracts those kinds of people? There is no meaningful dialogue on her blog. She just tee's up red meat and the fanatics take it from there and go crazy.
Talk about a masterpiece of hypocrisy!
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 16:38 ET by motherbeltHow can Arianna deny responsibility for what appears on her own blog, and then turn around and blame Ailes for every word that everyone on Fox News says?
I also think of Arianna as another ZsaZsa...someone who is famous for being famous. I'm surprised she isn't on Hollywood Squares.
Whoever told her that just because she hosts a blog she is an expert on anything?
I could host a cooking blog and let people post recipes every day. It wouldn't make me a chef.
Re Arianna
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 17:01 ET by slickwillie2001If you watch the clip, you will see she has Arnold Ziffel on her lap, stroking him through the segment like a Bond supervillain's white Siamese cat.
She was on Hollywood Squares!
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 21:34 ET by syvyn11She was on the Tom Bergeron version of Hollywood Squares 25 times from 2000-2004
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0400251/filmoseries#tt0138968
oxycon
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 17:10 ET by collins10Yes a BLOG and a CABLE NEWS channel are the same thing.
She just tee's up red meat and the fanatics take it from there and go crazy.
True, However you just described Limbaugh and most of foxnews too. If you're not a complete hypocrite then you'd acknowledge that.
c 10, yea Rush has a Blog, BBBBBZZZZIIIITTTTTT WRONG
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 17:22 ET by upcountrywaterOh well maybe this counts in yourtwistedview.dup
Pop this bubble; smell wormwood in the morning.
Who said rush had a blog?
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 17:37 ET by collins10Who said rush had a blog? did you say rush had a blog? I assume you can read, however my assumptions might not be well founded.
c10 you implied it.
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 17:57 ET by upcountrywaterFox News has blogs...You jammed Rush in the same sentence.
You replied to OxyCon comment on blogs..
If you're not a complete hypocrite then you'd acknowledge that.
Pop this bubble; smell wormwood in the morning.
collins10---
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 17:38 ET by matthewdeanCalling people names in your first reply post is not nice.
Where is the rule that says if a person offers an opinion, they must delineate the oppositions' argument as well, or they will be forced to suffer the slings and arrows of stupidity put forth by the mighty collins, jack-of-all-threads, master of none?
MD
OxyCon...
Mon, 02/01/2010 - 17:53 ET by Jer"...for all the vile things posted on her blog. That just begs the question, if nearly all of the Huffington Post's commenters usually post way over the top hate speech, then what is it about her blog which attracts those kinds of people? There is no meaningful dialogue on her blog. She just tee's up red meat and the fanatics take it from there and go crazy."
Have you read HuffPo much in the past few months? Sure there are occasional over-the-top comments, but overall, the tone is very civil and there are many contrarian Republican/conservative viewpoints expressed [and many very aggressively expressed] with very little flaming or personal attacks.
Your description is well off the mark.
I have been defending HuffPo a good bit lately, but with good reason. It's an excellent website. DailyKos (which I rarely follow) and DU (which I don't read at all) may be more appropriate targets of your scorn--not HuffPo.
Jer
Video?
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 15:59 ET by SimJimDid anyone else see where the video switched from Ailes to O'Reilly? The transcript has Ailes' complete annihilation of the libs, but the video only goes half way through. I'd like to see the whole thing.
Same thing happened to
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 16:04 ET by marpelSame thing happened to me...I was really routing for Roger and then, BOOM, here comes O'Reilly. Can we get a full tape of this? I want to see the "tag team"!
NBers
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 16:07 ET by Noel SheppardNBers,
Your wish is my command! ns
The transcript has Ailes'
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 17:12 ET by collins10The transcript has Ailes' complete annihilation of the libs
Really? where did you see that? It looked to me that he should've let george will do all the talking.
Of course you did...
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 18:17 ET by acumenNot suprising having noticed you also 'feel' fair and balanced is a synonym for red meat.
I understand. A closed mind becomes confused when confronted with an open debate. Which certainly explains why many lib leaders are so opposed to transparency while declaring the debate to be closed. And trust me....it would not serve you well to ask, "where did you see that."
Wow....holy flightless talking points, Batman
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 16:02 ET by BlondeSarah Palin not qualified......THUNK
Glenn Beck incendiary......THUNK
American people too stupid to understand ObamaCare.....THUNK
And the coup de grace...."I think he speaks English [Arianna]".....that alone needed a beverage alert.
Most enjoyable clip, thanks.
I hope he fails, too.
blonde
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 17:33 ET by collins10American people too stupid to understand ObamaCare.....THUNK
It's not that people are too stupid its that they're misinformed. I heard Hannity say for weeks how he was quoting "a non partisan think tank" for his "facts" on health care.
OOPS. it turns out that think tank was fully funded by the largest health insurer in the country. So his "facts" were completely scripted and one sided.
I personally didn't like the bill either, but to go out and claim your opposition to the bill is "non partisan" and just read insurance companies talking points is pathetic.
And if a lib ever did that then NB and myself would be all over it. But this site excuses republican hypocrisy and bias.
Betsy McCaughey (co-creator of the "death panels" term with palin) "Congress would make it mandatory — absolutely require — that every five years people in Medicare have a required counseling session that will tell them how to end their life sooner," Misinformation
"There were no mandatory sessions proposed. Instead, for the first time, Medicare would pay for doctors' appointments for patients to discuss living wills, health care directives and other end-of-life issues. The appointments were optional, and the AARP supported the measure." reality
See the difference, Blonde? If you're against the bill (like I am) fine, great. But to make things up to scare people to your way of thinking is beneath the republicans.
Cherry picking sources, collins---
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 17:47 ET by matthewdeanand putting names on the ones you do not agree with, but not on the ones you support, is lame, lamer, lamest.
Flame, flamer, flamest.
MD
Sorry, I suppose you might
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 18:07 ET by collins10Sorry- politifact.com, Which went through the bill line by line. I suppose you might have the part of the bill where death panels are stated?
My whole post is about misinformation, not pro or con BO's health bill. however, if you must know, I am con
But I'll wait for you to direct me to where "death panels" are mentioned in the bill.
Got you death panel right here,
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 18:12 ET by BO STINKScollins. Coward.
Liberal Hypocrites: Change the channel when the Super Bowl comes on. We don't want to offend your delicate sensibilities.
dynomite comeback, i just
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 18:19 ET by collins10dynomite comeback, i just destroyed you with facts and you come back with "coward".. HAHA hilarious, you must have a team of writers.
peace brotha
ignorance is bliss, right?
collins10---
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 18:29 ET by matthewdeanBO nailed you with one of the best comebacks I've ever seen around here, and you very wisely go to diversion mode.
BO informed you that proof of a "death panel" awaits you personally in the form of a forum thread, but you accentuate the word "coward".
The forum is ready.
Come and get some, or -
You are a coward.
MD
What facts?
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 18:32 ET by BlondeAll I see is unsourced blather.
Link or slink, trollster. Or doncha know how that hyperlink thingy works? Because I've yet to see you link to anything that would back up your assinine opinions.
Forums, Dude, Forums.
I hope he fails, too.
J, LOL - I was wondering where all this troll hair came from
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 18:52 ET by R D HelmLooks like you all have about skinned this one alive. :-)
-Dave
When liberty is taken away by force it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default it can never be recovered. -Dorothy Thompson
*vacuuming*
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 18:57 ET by BO STINKS*lifts Dave's feet & vacuums under them*
Sorry, Dave will have this cleaned up in a minute. *grin* Do you need a lint roller?
Liberal Hypocrites: Change the channel when the Super Bowl comes on. We don't want to offend your delicate sensibilities.
BO,
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 19:07 ET by R D HelmYeah, I was thinking about breaking out my trusty troll bat, but I don't think there is enough of this one left to smack. LOL.
-Dave
When liberty is taken away by force it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default it can never be recovered. -Dorothy Thompson
Dave ~;-)
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 19:13 ET by BO STINKSLiberal Hypocrites: Change the channel when the Super Bowl comes on. We don't want to offend your delicate sensibilities.
Bo and Dave, no need to
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 19:18 ET by celatorBo and Dave, no need to worry. Just received a new satellite photo of this troll. Not much left of the thing. Very sad sight.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/05/22/science/22deep_redmouth.j...
Good grief, cel
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 19:23 ET by BO STINKSWhat the heck is that thing? It's all mouth....oh, I get it. LOL
Liberal Hypocrites: Change the channel when the Super Bowl comes on. We don't want to offend your delicate sensibilities.
And its' mouth---
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 19:39 ET by matthewdeanas the troll passes on to Val-squall-la*, appears to be trying to form either the word Obama, or the words "Oh, no!"
MD
* Apologies to any Norsemen (or ladies).
matthew - ROFL!
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 19:42 ET by BO STINKSThat was awesome and I am a norsewoman....may Thor defend you!
Liberal Hypocrites: Change the channel when the Super Bowl comes on. We don't want to offend your delicate sensibilities.
Thanks BO !!
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 19:53 ET by matthewdeanThor is indeed an awesome warrior.
No doubt in my mind he laughs his a** off watching one of his own kick troll butt.
He trained you well.
MD
cel,
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 21:35 ET by R D HelmYeah, that's what I figured. Not enough there.
-Dave
When liberty is taken away by force it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default it can never be recovered. -Dorothy Thompson
Are there 'death panels'?
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 21:40 ET by syvyn11No! There is nothing with the words 'death panels' in any health care bill. On that front, you are right. But, there are going to be 'health management boards' which will determine what care you will and will not get. If a operation or a drug could save your life, but it's not cost effective, sorry. You can't have it.
You can call that anything you damn well want, it's a death panel!!
Take it to the Forums, Hawking
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 17:54 ET by BlondeDid you even watch the video?
Didn't think so. I was paraphrasing the liberals on the panel, you reading impaired troll.
Now, take it to the forums before you derail a perfectly fine thread here.
I hope he fails, too.
watched it live. And i get
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 18:01 ET by collins10watched it live. And i get what you were saying. you have the depth of a child so it's not hard to follow your posts.
You said that the liberals were saying that the country was stupid. I agree that thats the mindset of the liberal and I would disagree with them and say it's not "stupid" but "misinformation" I know you can read, blonde, but you're not putting on an impressive display of it here.
before you derail a perfectly fine thread here.
HA, you to a T. "I don't like any opinion contrary to my own or foxnews so don't ruin this one sided thread" is the translation there.
Stop derailing this thread, collins
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 18:06 ET by BO STINKSLot's of victims for you here. Don't be such a little coward. Coward.
Liberal Hypocrites: Change the channel when the Super Bowl comes on. We don't want to offend your delicate sensibilities.
BO STINKS
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 18:19 ET by collins10When you're right You're right.
No longer will I try to get anybody here to look objectively at both parties. It's lost on your limbaugh brainwashed minds.
I understand you do not like opinions outside of your own. I made the mistake in thinking some here were adults and if they did not agree with my assessment of the GOP they would debate some points with me. but all I got were "troll" "communists" lines in response, you know, real sophisticated and well thought out responses.
NB's - the place for closed minded, bitter partisan, fake conservatism. - nobody else allowed.
sorry for "ruining" the thread. you may go back to your unintelligent, fact depraved rants. enjoy yourselves. maybe some day you'll grow up and learn there is a whole other world out there with other opinions outside that of rush limbaugh's. But it's a scary world for naive individuals, so be careful.
You LIE! collins
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 18:22 ET by BO STINKSYou are a lying, faux conservative. You came here lying to our faces and pretended to want a serious debate. We would be happy to debate someone who tells the truth about who they are. You lie and lie and lie and then are offended when caught out in the lie. You are a lib/dem/socialist in disguise. If you are not, then go here and prove it.
Liberal Hypocrites: Change the channel when the Super Bowl comes on. We don't want to offend your delicate sensibilities.
Ahem
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 21:08 ET by bertkillianCollins 10, I have to ask why does the liberal left (I am going to assume here that you are of that group) ALWAYS assume that conservative viewpoint is ONLY as a product of Rush Limbaugh?
That is a major assumption on the part of liberals, that we are too stupid to have our own, naturally fed, opinions and beliefs.
Maybe, just maybe, doncha think that some of us here might have formulated a conservative value system growing up in a traditional home environment? Without Rush's help way back when?
For such a genius, Hawking
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 18:27 ET by BlondeYou sure can't write worth crap.
Take it to the Forums. You attempted to change the entire point of Noel's post from what it was to health care.
So not only are you reading impaired, writing impaired, and a total DKos spewer, you lie as well.
Charmant.
I hope he fails, too.
You are the misinformed one.
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 19:17 ET by DemonhunterI prefer fact challenged, but you are either seriously ignorant or a liar.
"Betsy McCaughey (co-creator of the "death panels" term with palin) "Congress would make it mandatory — absolutely require — that every five years people in Medicare have a required counseling session that will tell them how to end their life sooner," Misinformation "
If you had actually read Sarah Palin's FB post, you would know that she did not make a reference to a specific part of "the health bill". Rather she was talking about the inevitable rationing of health care. The term "death panel" in quotes just like that was directed at bureaucrats who would inevitably make choices about whom to use scarce resources for, and her fear that people like her son who were less productive members of society would not be treated.
Here's the quote: "The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."
Here's the source: http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=113851103434
Now, you can admit that you and your lying sources, DU, Kos, NYTimes were wrong, or we can consider you a lying troll.
If it's not the Crusades, it's the cartoons
Demonhunter---
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 20:11 ET by matthewdeanTurn over the tables, and watch them run -
You are the weapon they can't outgun.
Great post at 18:17 ET.
MD
"There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."
Mark Twain (1835-1910)
"Or any Democratic politician in or from Chicago."
MD (2010)
I take your point on the
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 19:58 ET by fitzfongI take your point on the "non-partisan" claim. Framing an organization or a study that supports your position as "non-partisan" is intellectually dishonest. But seriously, what study, organization, newspaper, news program, documentary, radio program, website or other method of communication is non-partisan? Every program, experiment, etc. is subject to the biases of the distributors...only the libs in academia, media, science and politics claim to be objective.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
"I take your point on the
Mon, 02/01/2010 - 02:16 ET by ckc1227"I take your point on the "non-partisan" claim. Framing an organization
or a study that supports your position as "non-partisan" is
intellectually dishonest. "
I wouldn't be so quick to accept his/her argument that that's actually what happened. Liberals have a habit of making such claims....sorta like how everyone who ever speaks out against global warming is working for Exxon.
Obama has even admitted
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 21:46 ET by American InfidelObama has even admitted there will be "death panels" of couse he doesn't call them that. Do the libs think he's lying? Is the Messiah lying?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, I think that there is
going to have to be a conversation that is guided by doctors,
scientists, ethicists. And then there is going to have to be a very
difficult democratic conversation that takes place. It is very
difficult to imagine the country making those decisions just through
the normal political channels. And that’s part of why you have to have
some independent group that can give you guidance. It’s not
determinative, but I think has to be able to give you some guidance.
And that’s part of what I suspect you’ll see emerging out of the
various health care conversations that are taking place on the Hill
right now.
Granted, it was almost a year ago. But it's in the far left wings fanatical nutjobs favorite newspaper.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/03/magazine/03Obama-t.html?partner=rss&em...
We've finally given liberals a war against fundamentalism, and they don't want to fight it. They would, except it would put them on the same side as the United States. Ann Coulter
If it's not mandatory and
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 22:00 ET by JerIf it's not mandatory and not determinative, what's wrong with the option of professional advice? Calling it a "death panel" is a scare tactic.
Jer
It's only fair, Jer---
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 22:25 ET by matthewdeanbecause every time Obama or a Lib-Dem politician opens their mouth and sounds issue forth, it scares the hell out of me.
I'll cut you some slack as a parsemeister barrister; but not as a mouthpiece for liberal politics.
Interpreting legalspeak, when done by lawyers, is one thing.
When legalese is mixed in with a political agenda, I know g.d. well that not only is there more than one legal interpretation possible, a combination of money and political power will determine which interpretation becomes the actual working definition.
MD
Matthew...
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 22:32 ET by JerThe provisions of the proposed legislation which I read several months ago were subject to no other interpretation except that the counseling was not mandatory.
If it is now otherwise, perhaps the wording was changed in later drafts. Is that what you are suggesting? Have you read the relevant provisions?
Jer
Jer---
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 23:31 ET by matthewdeanI suggest nothing. I don't care if it says mandatory or if it says not mandatory.
I stated my opinion relative the mixture of politics and legal language.
Given the fact that so many politicos are lawyers, and a bill as humongous as this health care bill was put together by a combination of stupid politicians who are lawyers and stupid politicians who are not lawyers, it is going to ultimately be a stupid a** bill that that will be tied up in court forever and the attendant outcome of said bill will be dependent on whatever the fuhell a sh*tlo*d of lawyers determine the phraseology contained within this monstrosity either means or does'nt mean.
Lawyers out the wazoo.
You think this "health care bill" ain't a bunch of crap?
How many "medical" professionals are involved, or have even been consulted in the crafting of this bill?
Money bestows power. Political power.
Provisions/proposed/legislation/interpretation/relevant = b*llsh*t.
Money talks, b*llsh*t walks.
Political power will determine what words or phrases are to be used in the legislative process. and what words and phrases are to remain in situ at the culmination of the project. Political power will then dictate not only which words or phrases must be accepted as written, but will further dictate which words and phrases are to be accepted because they mean what the politicians say they mean.
Based on what I have typed so far, I will let you answer the question of whether I have read the relevant provisions.
Hint: Nope.
Reason: Because it matters not to me what these Washington D.C.
nimrods pass or don't pass. I will do what is best for me.
The federal elite can take a flying f*** at a rolling donut.
Cheers.
MD
I'm guessing you
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 23:39 ET by JerI'm guessing you haven't.
Jer
Ya got me Jer---
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 23:55 ET by matthewdeanWait a minute.
I did'nt just lose another argument with you, did I?
MD
Not this time, Matthew...
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 23:58 ET by JerIt was just a lucky guess. :-)
Jer
Almost all things of
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 23:10 ET by Dan The Man 2Almost all things of government turn into mandatory operations either by law or fiat. Are taxes mandatory or voluntary? They started as a small voluntary tax for the extreme rich and then morphed into the monster we see today. Death panels are here deciding on whether or not we are worthy to recieve life sustaining care and that is what they meant in Palin's thesis. Its not a scare tactic but a descriptive and effective term which connotates exactly what you think it does.
Bottom line it has no weasly connotation to worm around.
It Always Starts as An Option
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 23:42 ET by TenebrousSee, that's the one thing that libs NEVER understand. "What's wrong with an option?" My money going to pay for government doing something inefficiently that I can do myself or not do at all, for one. But besides that, the inevitable march from government to big government to totalitarianism always starts with the optional government program. Yes, the "optional government program". Roll that one around on your tongue. Feel how heavy and leaden it sounds? Certainly what is optional today will be mandatory soon, and very soon, for government must justify its existence, and there is no better way to do that to to claim what they're doing now isn't efficient because it's optional. No government program starts out as a trial and ends up cancelled -- unless there's a voter revolt! The snowball builds and builds and builds.
So until you understand that's how government works, because that's how government has always worked, all your protests against "optional" programs don't mean diddly squat; they're just splitting hairs without wisdom.
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I get it. Sort of like
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 23:54 ET by JerI get it. Sort of like industries once subjected to government regulation have never been dereg...oops! Never mind.
Jer
Name an industry that was
Mon, 02/01/2010 - 02:12 ET by ckc1227Name an industry that was subject to government regulation that no longer is subject to government regulation.
There have been a number of
Mon, 02/01/2010 - 02:32 ET by JerThere have been a number of formerly regulated industries which have been deregulated to varying degrees:
Airlines, trucking, banking, communications (including telephone and cable TV), natural gas...to name a few.
Jer
deregulated "to varying degrees"---
Mon, 02/01/2010 - 04:14 ET by matthewdeancertainly does'nt mean "de-regulated", as in no government regulations at all.
MD
No dice, Matthew...
Mon, 02/01/2010 - 08:42 ET by JerI could spot that potential verbal trap set by ckc1227 from a mile away, and I am generally careful not to become ensnared by such shenanigans--thus the "to varying degrees" qualification regarding deregulation.
It may be that complete and comprehensive deregulation is not the end result regarding each and every industry which has been targeted for such, but the slackening of government controls have uniformly been significant enough to contradict the spirit if not the letter of tennebrous' assertions and ckc's query.
And I say "spirit" since I'll acknowlege my deregulation comment is not a totally symmetrical response to the scenario posed by tennebrous. Nevertheless, I believe it's relevant. In fact, I would invite tennebrous to provide examples of what he asserts, i.e. that "trial" or "optional" government programs always become "mandatory"--permanently so.
Jer
"Calling it a "death
Mon, 02/01/2010 - 02:01 ET by ckc1227"Calling it a "death panel" is a scare tactic"
That doesn't mean it isn't true.
One might call juries
Mon, 02/01/2010 - 02:36 ET by JerOne might call juries "death panels" too, but it would hardly be an apt description. Although it still wouldn't be as misleading as doing so in connection with the health reform legislation.
Jer
If you get the death sentence---
Mon, 02/01/2010 - 04:09 ET by matthewdeanfrom a jury, "death panel" is a most appropriate appellation.
Too bad, Jer, that if the health fiasco were to pass as originally intended, that you and I are too old to be here to observe what transpires.
Ain't gonna be good, I tell ya.
MD
Speak for yourself,
Mon, 02/01/2010 - 08:45 ET by JerSpeak for yourself, Matthew. Me? I've made arrangements to have myself cryogenically frozen and stored right beside Ted Williams, to be unthawed when this blasted health care deal finally gets passed a few decades from now.
Jer
Better have a good bank account
Mon, 02/01/2010 - 13:15 ET by CobraManYou better have a good bank as you'll need a fortune just to afford the government mandated liability insurance that hospitals will charge for reviving you.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
Jer---
Mon, 02/01/2010 - 15:39 ET by matthewdeanThe power of positive thinking.
Now I know how you have managed to hang on so long on a conservative site.
I am impressed.
MD
Who's "misinforming" them?
Mon, 02/01/2010 - 13:16 ET by CobraMan"It's not that people are too stupid its that they're misinformed."
Who's "misinforming" them. Is it the politicians who tells them what's in the bill before that bill is presented to the public for reading, or the commentators who comment on the bill after it's been released for public display? Just who, in your opinion, is "misinforming" the pubic?
The people can actually READ THE BILL NOW and they still reject it! You can't get much more "informed" that actually reading the bill, you know. But, hay, the general public is comprised by idiots and they can't read so they're forced to go by what others are telling them, right?
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
Wisdom
Mon, 02/01/2010 - 14:52 ET by Jerry MackObama is saying that he is smarter than all of us. If only we had a small part of his wisdom we would leap onto the bandwagon.
Ailes won't be invited back.
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 16:15 ET by pbthinkerI'm sure that ABC thought they could bring on Roger Ailes and make him look like a Right Wing Conservative Kook, he ended up coming across as someone who knew who he was, who his network was, what the presses job was and how they weren't doing it. Arianna is concerned about the words Glenn Beck uses? Where was she 2,3,4,5 years ago with all the rhetoric being used against George Bush? These Democrats are really funny trying to deflect any verbage used against Barack Obama and yet, during the Bush years, it was worse but they called it Freedom of Speech.
I actually believe George Will enjoyed today. Usually, he's the best informed on of the bunch, but he had little to say and let Roger do all the talking. You couldn't tell how much he may have agreed or disagreed with Roger, but you could hear him laughing in the background on occasion.
I'm sure ABC has had their fill of conservatives who have their facts at hand. Between Roger Ailes and Liz Cheney, the liberals had their hands full. In fact, when Liz CHeney was on, even George Will had his hands full.
Election 2008-God's way of showing us that elections count.
Loved it
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 16:19 ET by cheesegraterI loved it when George laughed out loud at the tanning Roger Ailes was giving Ahhhriahhhnna Hooofington.
cg... I caught that
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 18:29 ET by bigtimercg...
I caught that too....it was priceless when it comes to stuffed-shirt Will...you rarely see him do that.
My favorite moment though was when Ailes shut-up HuffnPuff about her own blog in reference to HIM...
After-all Arianna, like you stated, more than once....
...WORDS MATTER!
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
People keep saying that Krugman is smart
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 16:32 ET by carolina09I just don't see it. Look at his incoherent babble here..."Look, I'm kind of obsessed about health care..." what does that mean?
Aisles is the man!
Your right
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 16:44 ET by general companyI have always thought Krugman was a moron, no idea what folks see in him?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Krugman's shifty eyes give
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 17:03 ET by donniedeanKrugman's shifty eyes give him away for being dishonest in his beliefs. Also, I wonder if he has ever thought through why "most people" don't thoroughly read the NYT or was this a slip of his elitist tongue?
Ailes 3 Idiots 0
Krugman just does not get it...
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 16:51 ET by Nortonalec"-- what bothers me is the fact that people are not getting informed, that we are going through major debates on crucial policy issues; the public is not learning about the".
People DO get it. They KNOW what Nancy and Barry are trying to do to them/us. AND THEY DON'T WANT IT! Please keep telling yourself that the it is the messanf not getting out, not the message itself. That will make November that much easier.
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/01/31/foxs-roger-ailes-takes-huffington-krugman-and-walters#ixzz0eE1iYM70
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever."~David St. Hubbins
Krugman sounded ticked off
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 17:01 ET by Radical1979Krugman sounded ticked off that people aren't getting the news from the Times, which has "all the news they need" to paraphrase. Sorry, we like to decide for ourselves what information we need.
Kruggie looked like a ten
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 19:20 ET by d1carterKruggie looked like a ten year old in an NFL game...
Yet more proof...
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 16:37 ET by NC Copthat when you have things like truth and facts on your side, it is easy to dispose of these left wing, propaganda spreading liars.
Nice work Roger!!
Roger should do his own
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 16:42 ET by Conservative VoiceRoger should do his own show...that was so fun! Thanks Noel, this made my day
Yeah, Ailes made pretty
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 16:47 ET by fitzfongYeah, Ailes made pretty quick work of this trio, but I doubt he'd put it on his "Greatest Hits" album. After all, he was debating two bimbos who slept their ways into positions of privilege and an economically illiterate New York Times columnist (but I repeat myself) who has about as much business being an economics professor at Princeton as Homer Simpson has being a safety engineer at a nuclear power plant (or as a Marxist agitator has being President of the United States).
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
Like Minnesota Fats
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 16:50 ET by reasonsjesterNut Ball, side pocket...WHACK! Screw Ball, three rails, corner pocket...THWACK! Rack 'em, Babs!
pointvcounterpoint.com
Great analogy, reasons---
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 16:59 ET by matthewdeanespecially since Babs apparently racked a fair amount of balls in her search for upward mobility.
MD
"There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."
Mark Twain (1835-1910)
Babs, the orginal tea
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 17:02 ET by Radical1979Babs, the orginal tea bagger? She's about old enough to be.
What a show! Good for Ailes!
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 16:53 ET by c5thenIt seems that he was set up to be ambused and outnumbered but in the battle of wits that ensued Ailes proved that he was the only one who was armed.
Walters, Huffington and Krugmann were demolished and made to look uninformed and stupid. Ailes didn't bring up one ideological point in his arguments, just the facts and those were irrefutable by anybody. George Will was laughing, knowing that he could just sit back and watch the show.
Throw 'da bums out!!!
Before it's too late.
Arianna has been in this
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 16:55 ET by marpelArianna has been in this country long enough to have lost some of that ZsaZsa accent. I think some of that accent is forced now. And smuuuuug! sheesh!
But ol' Roger is the best. He's hired for ratings, and he's doing his job very well. I loved it when he said that Beck speaks English....(helloooo, Arianna!) LMAO
They could have gotten someone else to moderate the show though. Barbara treated this show like it was The View.
Not much of a fight....
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 16:55 ET by jdripperThree liberals Larry, Moe and Curly against Roger Ailes. This was like Roger in a mental duel against a penny gumball machine.
Jack
"If at age 20 you are a conservative then you have no heart. If at age 30 you are a liberal then you have no brains." Sir Winston Churchill
I can't stand listening to
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 17:22 ET by libfailHuffington, she is one of the biggest hypocrites out there. A shame she has her site, it's a waste of bandwidth.
http://libfail.com
This has got to be the best take-down
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 17:35 ET by 10ksnookerOf a flock of liberal loons seen in a long time.
Ailes just demolishes them.
What's her name needs to learn how to speak English ...
Not saying you have 'Sunstein stealth propagandists' here, but Noel did you see this Stossel article on White House propaganda trolls, "Cognitive infiltration"? Stossel makes it fun reading, and filets Sunstein in the process -- http://stossel.blogs.foxbusiness.com/2010/01/18/stealth-propaganda/?test...
Follows in the footsteps of the paid health care laughing stock Gruber who was paid by the White House to push Obamacare propaganda.
What a laugh
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 17:36 ET by D. S. HubeHuffington rips on Glenn Beck, yet the stuff he has said over the years doesn't hold a candle to Matthews, Maddow and Olbermann over at MSDNC.
Then she tries to absolve herself of responsibility for her blog articles and comments.
Then she wonders why Fox cut away from Obama and the GOP meeting. Did she wonder why only Fox covered ALL of Scott Brown's victory speech ... while the other 'nets cut away?
Talk about a nobody who "made" something of herself w/her ex's cash ...
Just for the record...
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 19:19 ET by BingoI may be mistaken on this, but I believe Fox was also the only network to cover all of Marcia What's-her-name's concession speech as well.
Fair...Balanced.
I saw all of this earlier
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 18:18 ET by bigtimerI saw all of this earlier today...Roger Aisles proved what he is made of....along with just why Fox is where it is at this time....I enjoyed every single minute of it.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
The Epitome of FOX news!!
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 18:34 ET by mjfitchMR. ROGER AILES, I salute you sir.Fox news follows your philosphy and character!! it is fair & balanced, that's why the leftnuts hate you.
KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!!
WE'LL BE WATCHING!!
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill
No Need to say more! But I will.
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 19:24 ET by TexasMom0517Ailes was great! Will was amused. Walters was frustrated. Huffington was sputtering. And, Krugman showed why the Nobel prize is no longer prestigeous.
Perfect summary
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 21:05 ET by MichelleCPerfect summary TexasMom!
Republicans believe every day is the 4th of July. Democrats believe every day is April 15th ~ Ronald Reagan
Did I actually hear...
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 19:12 ET by Secret Conservative...ARIANNA HUFFINGTON call Sarah Palin UNQUALIFIED to be a media commentator??? Who is Arianna Huffington to call ANYONE unqualified? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall that Huffington's background is that she married at least one extremely wealthy man. Then he divorced her or he died, but either way, she walked away with a boatload ofmoney, not one dime of which she earned, except on her back. Then she became a REPUBLICAN donor, which caused Republican politicians to kowtow to her, but I guess they didn't kiss her butt quite enough, so she switched sides sometime around the Clinton years, and became a Dem donor. (I guess they kiss butt better.) But somehow this makes her "qualified" to be a political commentator, and Sarah Palin, the former governor of Alaska and Republican VP candidate is not? Am I in a parallel universe or something?
The wealthy man---
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 19:23 ET by matthewdeanshe was married to decided after a number of years of marriage that he was gay.
They divorced.
Unknown if or when he died.
Unknown if she was what made him decide he was gay.
Seems reasonable, though.
MD
She married the son-it was the father's money!
Mon, 02/01/2010 - 07:03 ET by TexasMom0517She married Michael Huffington. His father, Roy Huffington, was the source of the money. Michael was NOT known for being notoriously heterosexual when he was single. They had one child.
She married into
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 19:25 ET by ricklailShe married into money-Michael Huffington. She supposedly has a BA in economics from Carbridge which later was changed to an MA. She don't strike me as being the brightest light in harbor. From what I have seen I probably know more about ecomonics from reading Dr. Thomas Sowell's book than she does with her "MA."
After their divorce her husband declared he by AC/DC. She probably drove him to it.
Semper superne nitens
It's simple, it's PDS
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 22:03 ET by syvyn11Palin Derangement Syndrome.
All the libs have it. And there is no cure.
Saw this live
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 19:16 ET by TexndocSaw this live and was extremely pleased with Mr. Ailes. About spit out my coffee when ferret-face Krugman moaned "Americans don't know about" ObamaCare because "they don't read the New York Times". No, no we don't.
NYT
Mon, 02/01/2010 - 12:55 ET by StarAZI read it and I STILL don't know.
Collins is ....
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 19:17 ET by Irene Flick...obviously a troll on the payroll. It must be tough work posting obamaronic blogs at $10 a pop to pay off the ivy league bills while being stuck living in mom's basement. Go upstairs, get outside, and apply for a real job; make an honest living like the rest of us. Maybe then your opinions would change.
TERM LIMITS FOR ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS!
And, yes, I am shouting.
Arienna...
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 19:28 ET by timrfrench61Is a dispicable joke and a cancer on Media and she got her come uppance because Ailles was ready and because of his position was fully empowered to slam dunk her.
...and because of the 1st Amendment I am more than happy to have her keep on saying everything she has to say.
This was a great moment in media!
hypocracy
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 19:41 ET by brerolHuffingtons lecturing about journalistic ehthics was a astonishing display of hypocracy. The Huffington Post demands to be defined as a internet news journal. One does not have to have a Phd in jounalism to see the HP as a nothing more than a screed for the left. And good luck trying to post a opinion on HP critical of Huffington herself. The HP staff protects her as if she were the queen of D.C. And why no open minded person gives HP any credibility.
I strongly disagree
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 22:44 ET by JerI strongly disagree with portions of your commentary. HuffPo is indeed a lib/progressive website, but there is much to admire about it. There are many Republicans/conservatives who frequently post and are rarely flamed or subjected to serious name-calling.
There are also guest blogs by notable Republicans published as well as pro and con viewpoint articles such as the recent ones regarding Alito and his "not true" remark during the SOTU.
Jer
Ailes wiped the floor with these liberal dolts
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 19:54 ET by philipjamesHuffington is a money slime... in her youth, a liberal Democrat, then she married a RICH Republican politician in California, started a new career as a hard right person and made a living on TV, etc. bashing liberals... then she found out her husband was bisexual, divorced him (for a lot of bucks) and had an epiphany and became a hard core liberal when she realized she could make a lot of money as a left wing dolt, ending up with Huffington Post... what an example of a three-faced money grubber... Paul Krugman, is a narcissistic idiot and as for BaBwa, old dried up hag...
so Ailes wiped the floor with all three... perfect storm.
Laughed all the way through and liked how BaBwa tried to cut him off when he said FOX beat out her crap network as to most trusted polls.
Also....
Mon, 02/01/2010 - 12:54 ET by StarAZZsa Zsa also does not pay most of her writers--they do it for the glory. She could help her hero "create" some jobs instead of sitting on her gazillions.
The IQ deficit at that
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 20:00 ET by ThoreauThe IQ deficit at that roundtable was palpable. It's like watching special ed student interview Einstein. Man, if that's their best and brightest in the lib media, they are completely screwed.
IN YOUR FACE!!!!!
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 21:04 ET by right of wayAILES: And we believe two liberal polls have now proven it.
amazing.....
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 21:11 ET by John WI....
WALTERS: But you hired her to be a commentator. Do you think -- so you must think she has some qualifications? She seems to be very popular with certain groups. Do you think she has the qualifications to be president?
Qualified to comment? She seems to have a better understanding than Baba Wawa, of what has, is, and going to take place.
How condescending can one get?
Wow, that was one video I actually watched (for once)
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 21:40 ET by R D HelmNice smack down.
-Dave
When liberty is taken away by force it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default it can never be recovered. -Dorothy Thompson
Roger Ailes
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 22:07 ET by PeteykIt was Ailes, a true patriot, against liberals who want to destroy America. These communist scum should be put on a desert island, or better yet, put them in a big city alongside obamas people. obama and his girlfriend, Vera Baker, can entertain them.
All right crosses
Sun, 01/31/2010 - 23:24 ET by IamTinmanI watched the discussion for a few minutes, but it quickly became obvious that the liberal side of the table didn't bring their "A" game! Krugman and Huffington simply set themselves up with ridiculous comments and let Roger knock them down. It was so embarrassing Babs Walters should have just tossed in the towel and declared Ailes the winner by a knockout.
And whats this with Sarah Palin? She's a private citizen making a living who has not declared for any political office.
HUFFINGTON: And aren't you
Mon, 02/01/2010 - 00:06 ET by JerHUFFINGTON: And aren't you concerned about the language that Glenn Beck is using, which is, after all, inciting the American people? There is a lot of suffering out there, as you know, and when he talks about people being slaughtered, about who is going to be the next in the killing spree...
AILES: Well, he was talking about Hitler and Stalin slaughtering people. So I think he was probably accurate. Also, I'm a little....
What Roger should have said as a prelude to his answer:
"I don't have a clue what the facts are, so I'm just going to make something up."
Jer
What Jer should have said.
Mon, 02/01/2010 - 13:31 ET by CobraManWhat Jer should have said as a prelude to his comment: I don't care about the obvious hypocrisy displayed by the left, Glen Beck equates Obama with Hitler!
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
I won't hold my breath
Mon, 02/01/2010 - 00:13 ET by countmein5050for Ailes to get his 'thank you' note from them for the rating boost he provided for the minutes he humored them.
Self-promotion?
Mon, 02/01/2010 - 13:37 ET by CobraMan"And you know, you can say, well, they can read the New York Times,
which will tell them what they need to know, but you know, most people
don't."
That's a bit of shameless self-promotion, wouldn't you agree? The people reject the New York Times. I guess they really don't "need" to know what you're saying anymore. That's got to sting!
In addition: "Obama said, you know, why -- he said rhetorically."
Hay, idiot, rhetorical statements are not what I would consider factual information. What does the bill actually contain? That's what we should be hearing. You should leave rhetoric out of it. And you claimed we're being misinformed by Fox News?!
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
I wonder why Krugman looks
Mon, 02/01/2010 - 17:20 ET by redmikeI wonder why Krugman looks like every statement he makes is going to draw gunfire.