Well that certainly didn't take long.
As NewsBusters reported Monday, former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin signed on to be a contributor to the Fox News Channel.
I guess the folks at FNC couldn't wait, for on Tuesday, she officially debuted as Bill O'Reilly's guest on the "Factor".
Not surprisingly, O'Reilly and Palin discussed why she's such a threat to folks in the media -- amongst other things (videos in two parts embedded below the fold with full transcript, h/t Story Balloon):
BILL O'REILLY, HOSTNow for the top story tonight, as you may know, FOX News has hired Governor Sarah Palin to do news analysis. That has thrown the left wing media into a conniption.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Isn't Sarah Palingoing to work for FOX News like just a godsend to anybody who wants to have comedy on the radio?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She has a pesky little problem with the truth. No irony that day these headlines came out. FOX News snatches her up.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Maybe she'll like being a pundit on FOX News. But the time we picked her.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How could she be a pundit? She doesn't know anything.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Unfortunately, there's just going to be one more ignorant right winger at FOX News.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O'REILLY: Now here's how dumb that comment is. "The Factor" beat CNN 5 to 1 at 8:00 p.m. and we expect that to increase with Sarah Palin
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
O'REILLY: Here, now, is the governor, whose best-selling book, "Going Rogue," continues to dominate the best seller lists across the country.
At this point, you know, we talked about this last time you were in here. It's -- it's almost funny that these people feel that you're such a threat to them. It's -- it's almost amusing, is it not?
PALIN: Well, I'm -- I'm grinning today. And I'm so appreciative of the opportunity to get to work with you and the other team members here at Fox News to provide the fair and the balanced reporting and analysis that voters in this country deserve.
O'REILLY: Well, obviously, you know, folks are watching Fox News far more than they watch these pinheads...
PALIN: Yes.
O'REILLY: ... that comment negatively on you. But it's the threat that I don't get. You're the governor of Alaska, the former governor of Alaska, former vice presidential candidate. You're a politician. You're a mom. You're an American.
PALIN: Right.
O'REILLY: What's the threat? What -- I mean, I'm not feeling it here, Governor. I'm not feeling a threat from you here. Tell me what the threat is.
PALIN: Well, see, obviously it's -- it's not about me. It's not about me personally who I am from up there in Alaska.
O'REILLY: Yes, but they're going after you personally.
PALIN: They don't like the message. They don't like the common sense conservative solutions that I think I represent and I articulate as I explain what I believe are some solutions to the great challenges facing America. They don't like to hear it.
O'REILLY: It's true. That's true, but there are a lot of conservative politicians giving that message. And none of them are as attacked personally as vehemently as you are. And that's just a fact.
Now, President Obama's poll numbers sinking. I think it's the unemotional response to terror, as I said, and the health care debacle. Anything else in play?
PALIN: Of course, they're sinking. It was just a matter of time before more of that reflection of the people's uncomfortableness that they feel towards this administration is manifesting in these poll numbers.
There is an obvious disconnect between President Obama
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President Obama and the White House, what they are doing to our economy and what they are doing in terms of not allowing Americans to feel as safe as we had felt and people finally saying, "You know, this is not the representative form of government that we thought that we had voted in." After a year of time, people are saying, "No, we want the White House -- we want President Obama to hear from us. We want these common sense solutions with health care, with jobs, with the economy, with the war on terror to be implemented so we can get back on the right track."O'REILLY: But isn't it true that no human being could lower the unemployment rate at this point? I mean, I don't like the massive spending. I think it's going to bankrupt the nation. But I -- you know, I'm saying to myself, "If Sarah Palin and John McCain were in, could they bring unemployment down under 10 percent?" And I'm not sure you could.
PALIN: If the question is can any individual politician change the job forecast outlook, no. But what government can do is get out of the way of the private sector being able to seize opportunities to grow and to thrive and prosper and hire more people. You do that -- a politician, a policy does that by reducing taxes on the job creators, by getting government out of the way of the private sector.
Let's talk about health care for a minute. When we consider that the White House wants to take another one-sixth of our economy, take it from the private sector hands -- take it over and put it in government's hands, that's another step towards greater unemployment numbers. It's another step towards greater growth of government, which is the wrong track.
O'REILLY: Well, that's what they want.
PALIN: It's the complete opposite of...
O'REILLY: And -- but, remember, they won. They won on that.
PALIN: ... where we should be going.
O'REILLY: Everybody who voted for Barack Obama,if they were paying attention, knew he was a big government liberal. So, you know, the folks are getting what they deserve.
PALIN: There were promises made, though, that -- that he made that he is not keeping, obviously.
O'REILLY: There are always -- there always promises. You know that.
PALIN: I think -- it's a more glaring situation today, though, than we have seen in past administrations. There were such -- such -- such clear promises, such blatant promises (inaudible) like C-SPAN...
O'REILLY: Like C-SPAN going health care coverage?
PALIN: Like a bipartisan approach to finding the solutions to health care.
O'REILLY: That went pretty bad, I have to say.
PALIN: (inaudible)
O'REILLY: Do you know Nancy Pelosi? Have you ever met her?
PALIN: I met her once in the Capital building, yes.
O'REILLY: Yes? Did you have...
PALIN: She wouldn't remember me. But...
O'REILLY: She wouldn't -- I think she'd remember you, Governor.
PALIN: No. No. No.
O'REILLY: But did you chat with her? Do you have any idea?
PALIN: Chatted with her a little bit, yes. She was leading a group of school children through on a tour. And I thought, well, that's nice that she has that time on her hands that she could do that.
O'REILLY: Yes, but the school children need to be led. You know that.
PALIN: Yes, that's what I'm saying. It was nice.
O'REILLY: Now, do you think that she's a kook?
PALIN: I think that she, too, is quite disconnected from what her constituents are telling her -- and constituents all over the country.
O'REILLY: But she's a San Francisco liberal. But -- but do you think she's actually crazy?
PALIN: I doubt that her San Francisco constituents even are enamored with her policies and with the -- the guidance that she is providing this country today.
O'REILLY: Is she -- is she further to the left, in your opinion, than Barack Obama?
PALIN: Perhaps so, yes -- yes.
O'REILLY: Yes? All right. Now, Harry Reid gets in trouble with the -- the Negro dialect remark and the light skin color.
PALIN: Yes.
O'REILLY: I -- what would you -- say, I'm Harry Reid. OK?
PALIN: Yes.
O'REILLY: And say -- no, I'm not going to say that. Say I'm -- what would you say to me?
PALIN: Well, obviously those were -- you can't defend those comments.
O'REILLY: But he's sorry. He's sorry. Is that enough?
PALIN: Well, he -- he says he's sorry. That -- that way of thinking is quite foreign to, I think, most Americans today. I -- I come from a...
O'REILLY: Do you think it was a racist statement?
PALIN: I come from a very diverse state. My family is diverse. I'm married to an Alaska native. A lot of us don't think along those lines that somebody's skin tone would be criteria for a qualification for the presidency. So his -- his thinking and his articulating of that -- that thought was -- is quite perplexing. It's quite unfortunate. And I think it's unacceptable.
O'REILLY: Do you think it was racist?
PALIN: I don't believe that he's a racist. But I don't believe that Trent Lott was a racist, either. And that double standard...
O'REILLY: No, he did that last night (ph). Right.
PALIN: I know. And that double standard is -- and that hypocrisy is another reason why so many Americans are quite disgusted with the political games that are played, not only on both sides of the aisle, but in this case, on the left wing, what they are playing with this game of racism and kind of letting Harry Reid's comments slide, but having crucified Trent Lott for essentially along the same lines (inaudible).
O'REILLY: Last time you were here I asked you about Iran. And that's coming down the pike now real fast.
PALIN: Yes -- yes.
O'REILLY: I mean, this is the under-reported story. We're keeping a very close eye on it. But in the next few weeks Barack Obama is going to have to do something with Iran.
PALIN: Yes, he is.
O'REILLY: What would you do?
PALIN: Well, the -- the time for talking about sanctions -- I think we've passed that. Even the last couple of weeks we have passed that. And we need to follow through on those financial terms that are favoring some Iranian businesses and Iranian regimes.
O'REILLY: But you figure that they're doing that, right?
PALIN: No, I don't think that they are doing it or we perhaps would see some...
O'REILLY: Would you attack them? Would you let Israel attack them?
PALIN: I think that we can still head in that direction of the financial sanctions and the sanctions on petroleum, the refinery projects.
O'REILLY: Right, so you haven't changed your opinion?
PALIN: No, I haven't changed my opinion, except to say we've talked about it enough. You and I have talked about it.
O'REILLY: Yes, we talked about it last time you were here.
PALIN: Weeks ago. And there has been no change, except for change for the worst. So, no, now the time for talking -- that's enough. We want to make sure that we and our allies are following through now on those threats of sanctions.
O'REILLY: If they don't do -- if they don't do it, though, should we attack? If the Iranians don't stop their nuclear program, should we attack?
PALIN: I think that obviously we need to adhere to those sanctions, those threats that we made at first.
O'REILLY: All right. So you're not ready to say we've got to get them if they don't?
PALIN: I -- an attack -- a military attack needs to be a very, very last option.
O'REILLY: OK. Right, but it's coming down. It's getting close.
PALIN: Yes, well...
O'REILLY: The Israelis are getting very, very close.
PALIN: Well, what I would like to see the Obama administration do, though, is convince Americans that they would be willing to do anything, anything that needs to be done to protect America and her allies, to protect Israel.
O'REILLY: So to start preparing them?
PALIN: Absolutely, protect...
O'REILLY: Okay.
PALIN: And we want to know that.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
O'REILLY: We're going to have more with the governor in a moment. We're going to hold her over because I do have some other foolish questions to ask her. And we appreciate your patience very much.
And then, Crowley and Colmes will analyze our discussion.
Also ahead this evening, John Stossel on the global warming boondoggle in Denmark. You will not believe how much we all paid for it. Right back.
O'REILLY: Continuing now with our newest contributor on FOX News, Governor Sarah Palin.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
O'REILLY: Now, why do you think "60 Minutes" -- you know, "60 Minutes" spent eight minutes on you last Sunday night?
You know, they have this new book out that they were interviewing the authors and stuff like that. And there's a lot of, you know, stuff in the book about McCain, about Biden, Edwards. But it was eight minutes about you.
PALIN: Anything about Obama?
O'REILLY: A little bit, but not a lot. Not a lot, you know. But Obama has been on that show. He was on like -- he's one of the co- contributors. It's I'm Steve Kroft, I'm Barack Obama. He's on like every week.
PALIN: There you go. Yes. Right.
O'REILLY: OK. I want to run you two clips from that show and have you react.
The first one is from one of the authors of the book, "Game Change," John Heilemann.
Roll the tape.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JOHN HEILEMANN, CO-AUTHOR, "GAME CHANGE": She still didn't really understand why there was a North Korea and a South Korea. She was still regularly saying that Saddam Hussein had been behind 9/11. And literally the next day, her son was about to ship off to Iraq and when they asked her who her son was going to fight, she couldn't explain that.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O'REILLY: That's pretty nasty, isn't it?
PALIN: Well, it's pretty made up, too. I -- I think that these reporters -- who were not in any part of what I was doing there as a V.P. candidate, I think I explained a lot of this in "Going Rogue," in my book.
O'REILLY: Is he...
PALIN: I was there...
O'REILLY: Is he lying?
PALIN: They were not there.
O'REILLY: Is this guy lying?
He says you don't know the difference between North and South Korea.
PALIN: Yes, that surprised me. I hadn't seen the "60 Minutes" and I -- I had been warned, you know, don't -- don't watch. It's a bunch of B.S. from Schmidt (INAUDIBLE) and those guys...
O'REILLY: Is that a lie, though?
PALIN: Yes, that is a lie.
O'REILLY: OK.
PALIN: That is a lie.
O'REILLY: Was it a lie that you thought Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11?
PALIN: You know what, on that, I did talk a lot to Steve Schmidt about the history of the war and about where, perhaps, the 9/11 terrorists came from and could there have been any connection to Saddam.
O'REILLY: OK, so that's...
PALIN: So I admit that I have questions about it.
O'REILLY: ...that's not a lie but it's -- right. But you didn't -- you weren't blaming 9/11 on Saddam Hussein?
PALIN: No. No, no, no.
O'REILLY: OK.
PALIN: And -- yes, so...
O'REILLY: And the shipping out of your son to Iraq, you didn't know why, that's a lie?
PALIN: See the -- these reporters were not there. And I think that these are the political establishment reporters who love to gin up controversy and spin up gossip. The rest of America doesn't care about that kind of crap. It's...
O'REILLY: I agree with you. I agree with you.
PALIN: The rest of America, we are concerned about a 10 percent unemployment rate...
O'REILLY: But they want...
PALIN: ...a 17.3 percent underemployment rate...
O'REILLY: They want to know what's true and what isn't.
PALIN: Well...
O'REILLY: They do.
PALIN: They need to read my book, "Going Rogue," then.
O'REILLY: Right. And when this guy said Sarah Palin didn't know the difference between North and South Korea, I went, that can't be true.
PALIN: Maybe these are the same guys, though, who are saying that, you know, some of the other tin foil hat controversy and various other stuff.
O'REILLY: Look, this guy is a writer for "New York Magazine".
PALIN: But who knows who these guys are?
O'REILLY: It's a left-wing magazine...
PALIN: I don't know who they are.
O'REILLY: Well, OK.
PALIN: I -- I don't think I've -- that I've ever met these guys. They didn't interview me for the book.
O'REILLY: Now, Steve Schmidt not your best friend. He was a big shot in the McCain campaign. He also was interviewed in the "60 Minutes" piece.
Roll the tape.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The authors say she hit bottom trying to prepare for her vice presidential debate. The person in charge of her debate prep made a desperate call to Steve Schmidt.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He told us that the debate was going to be a debacle of historic and epic proportions. He told us she was not focused, she was not engaged, she was really not participating in the prep.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O'REILLY: Now, to be fair, Schmidt later on said that McCain would have lost bigger had you not been on the ticket. However, he's obviously saying that you were in chaos preparing for this debate.
Is that true?
PALIN: That -- that is not true. And Steve Schmidt told us how overjoyed he was after the debate, so pleased with the way everything turned out, as he was after the convention...
O'REILLY: Was there a time...
PALIN: ...as he was for (INAUDIBLE).
O'REILLY: ...when you almost felt overwhelmed, though?
PALIN: No, I always felt pretty calm through the whole experience.
O'REILLY: So is Schmidt lying or is somebody lying to him?
PALIN: I think he's basing this on an anonymous source. So all that kind of gossipy anonymous accusations, I really don't pay it any mind, because, again, Bill, I know what's important. I know what the priorities are...
O'REILLY: I know that, but you know, Governor, the perception of you is that you're not that smart. That's what "Saturday Night Live" trafficked in, that's what the liberal media traffics in. You heard Chris Matthews go, "She doesn't know anything." That's why I want to clear this up. That's why I'm asking you these questions, because the audience, I believe, THE FACTOR audience, likes you. They want you to be treated fairly.
So I have to ask questions is, is that a lie?
And, now, I think the proof is in the proverbial pudding, to use a cliche. You did very well against Biden in that debate, although you did call him O'Biden at one point.
PALIN: I did. But I think the analysis after the debate was a surprise that Biden had more gaffes -- had -- had more mistakes made...
O'REILLY: You -- you held your own with him...
PALIN: So I felt good about it.
O'REILLY: ...every -- even in...
PALIN: Steve Schmidt felt great about it.
O'REILLY: Right.
PALIN: So these new revelations...
O'REILLY: You did fine.
PALIN: ...of the chaos...
O'REILLY: Right.
PALIN: ...or the frustration are alarming; quite irrelevant, though, to what is important in this world today.
O'REILLY: I got your point. But it isn't irrelevant to this way. You now have a -- you now have a forum here at Fox News, OK, that you can immediately neutralize "60 Minutes"...
(SNAPS HIS FINGERS)
O'REILLY: ...like that. And I...
PALIN: And the American people are immediately neutralizing outlets like "60 Minutes." Look at the numbers of the networks...
O'REILLY: But they want to hear from you about it, though...
PALIN: Right.
O'REILLY: They -- they want your...
PALIN: But more and more Americans are looking at some of these networks, that biased journalism, and they're saying, nah, that gig is up, we're not believing that stuff anymore...
O'REILLY: But you (INAUDIBLE)...
PALIN: And that's why they're tuning into Fox News.
O'REILLY: I like "60 Minutes." I think they're -- they're honorable people.
Did they call you for comment on that?
PALIN: I never heard of their call.
O'REILLY: They should have.
PALIN: If they called any of the people around me, I didn't (INAUDIBLE)...
O'REILLY: No, they should have called you. We have your number.
PALIN: I...
O'REILLY: They could have called me and...
PALIN: Perhaps they called somebody, but...
O'REILLY: But they didn't call you?
PALIN: But I did not talk to "60 Minutes".
O'REILLY: They should have.
All right, finally, you're going to do a Tea Party event...
PALIN: Yes.
O'REILLY: ...in Nashville, Tennessee...
PALIN: I can't wait.
O'REILLY: ...in -- in February, right?
PALIN: Yes.
O'REILLY: Now, I predicted that you may run on the Tea Party ticket in 2012.
PALIN: Well, there is no Tea Party ticket...
O'REILLY: Yes, but there could be.
PALIN: But I am so thankful for this Tea Party movement, for people having a place for their voice to be heard. I can't wait to do this event. And there are a lot of Tea Party events...
O'REILLY: You're the keynote here, right?
PALIN: I believe that I am the keynote.
O'REILLY: Right.
PALIN: There will be other speakers, too, though. But I can't wait to get to hear from those who are so concerned about our economy and about our national security issues and share with them what I believe the solutions are.
O'REILLY: They'll love you at the Tea Party, boy.
PALIN: Well, I...
O'REILLY: They will love you.
PALIN: ...I can't wait to be there. And, you know, there's always the -- that controversy, it seems, surrounding whatever it is that I...
O'REILLY: Yes.
PALIN: ...that I announce that I'm going to do. There's controversy involved in this one, because the Tea Party offered me a speaking fee. I will not financially be gaining anything from this.
O'REILLY: You should, though. You have a family to support.
PALIN: I'm going to...
O'REILLY: Take the money.
PALIN: You know what's more important?
More important than money in my pocket from an event like that is being able to turn it right back around and contribute to campaigns, candidates and issues that will help our country.
O'REILLY: Good.
All right. Kill the music for a minute. I've got one more for the governor. I can't let her go without this.
So how was the first interview on Fox News as a contributor?
PALIN: I couldn't ask for anything better. I was with a big man on campus.
O'REILLY: And who was that?
PALIN: Bill O'Reilly.
O'REILLY: I thought it was hot, hot. No, but he's a big man on campus, not me.
Hey, listen, Governor, it's a pleasure to have you.
We're all very, very happy that you're on board with us. And again, any time you want to set the record straight, we're here.
PALIN: Oh, we'll be doing a lot of that.
O'REILLY: All right.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
O'REILLY: Governor Palin, everybody.
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.
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This is why Fox News is the
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 00:21 ET by gmaniac1This is why Fox News is the best hands down... shoot even the liberals they employ seem like they have a clue once in a while. I like how the liberals call her stupid though she has more thought process in her pinky finger than they do in the entire elitist consortium.
I don't want to even go into the peanut gallery that follows the liberal elites as they seem nothing more than an amoeba.
Good job Sarah, keep proving these fools wrong and they can never answer the question why they hate you because they don't know, they just do for no sound reason.
There is a new sheriff in
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 00:24 ET by d1carterThere is a new sheriff in town...what a platform to rebute all the idiots in the LSM.
Yeah...
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 00:44 ET by unkeeafAnd people actually watch this network!
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Wed, 01/13/2010 - 00:47 ET by danybhoyEven more people now, I think this allows her a direct platform to speak directly to the American people & respond to those who wish she would go away. This is gonna heat things up in 2010, the only thing Palin needs to avoid is saying something stupid. That is the one real downside, that is the risk. Other then that, the upside is unlimited.
"Please awake & see the truth, he can only be if you believe what he tells you...Remember who you are, what you stand for...There will always be way"- WITHIN TEMPTATION http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fir0Cffv1ng&featured=related
danybhoy...Exactly...
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 01:13 ET by PrairieSkyBeing with Fox News gives her the opportunity to directly address and refute the bs that the uninged left is always saying about her. Because so many people watch Fox, and they're definitely not all conservatives/Repubs (we know this for a fact), she has a perfect platform to prove that the garbage that has been (and continues to be) said about her is not true.
As you said, the only downside is if she happens to say or do something stupid on-air that will be used as ammunition against her. Other than that, this is a win-win for Sarah and for Fox News.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
I'm not too sure. I know a
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 02:40 ET by fire0305I'm not too sure. I know a lot of liberals that hold contempt for Palin and FOX news and this will only cement their feelings more. I suspect that the majority of people who in some way hated Palin during the election aren't going to bother to listen to her now.
"Well, you can wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which gets filled first." - Grandpa Gustafson
The left is already lying about what she said
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 01:04 ET by SharonMcPI read a few comments over at DailyKos about her debut.
They're lying outright by claiming Sarah said we should bomb Iran. In spite of BOR trying to get her to say we should invade Iran, she never did.
We say grace and we say ma'am and if you ain't into that we don't give a damn.
Hardly a surprise
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 01:07 ET by BlondeIMO...BOR tried his best to trip her up...sorry, BOR.
But that the Kostards are having an attack...totally predictable...and SWEET!
I hope he fails, too.
Not Only That
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 02:26 ET by DoktorFrankenBOR actually said (and I heard him) that he ''liked'' 60 minutes. How can anyone with a sense of honesty in journalism like a hit-job show like 60 minutes? I am glad Sarah didn't let Bill move her in HIS direction - she stayed on HER course. Well done, Gov. Palin!
Sarah Palin: The Most Dangerous Conservative In America
BOR is still ...like the rest of the LSM
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 03:03 ET by Paul Glooking to get the O interview
Actually....
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 05:45 ET by OzconservativeI'm kinda glad that he was trying to trip her up.....if she is gonna run for President she has to expect that from interviewers far less sympathetic to her than Bill O.
BOR is a dick
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 01:12 ET by MightyMouthI would love to see Palin take his slot. She is going to have to bone up on smackdown when you control the mike.
"I'm madder than a midget with a yo-yo" --Larry the cable guy.
BOR hammered her a bit
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 01:30 ET by bse5150BOR hammered her a bit which is good. IMO she answered everything fine. I also felt that she was unwilling to get into a pissing match of he said she said re: Steve Schmidt. Quite frankly, little issues like Schmidt brought up are totally unimportant whether it's Obama or Palin. Like Palin said, I have no interest in this kind of crap. I am interested in the issues.
WOW..."commonsense, conservative solutions"...
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 03:00 ET by Paul GI've never seen "commensense" in 1 word...kinda looks stupid. hmmmmm....Thomas Paine "Common Sense""
LOL
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 03:09 ET by Quasi-socialistAs far as I can see you still haven't seen it as one word, unless Sarah was typing and you saw it on your secret decoder feed while she was speaking. How troll, how very troll.
As for what you haven't seen: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/commonsense?jss=0#visual_the
In case you don't notice, it says "adj". And by the way you can "go down stairs", but you can also "go downstairs" (even by elevator or ladders). Citing one form is laughable proof to rule out other forms.
Your're right Quasi...
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 03:16 ET by Paul GI'm gonna need Noels help again....when i posted I swear it said commensense
and btw Quassi-
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 03:32 ET by Paul Gur an idiot...and if u want to keep posting here, i'd either change ur name, or if u want to keep posting here sit back and read... You don't want to get in a fight here with me...as EVERYONE knows here...I'm far far far from a troll hmm unlike you I'll accept your apology when you sober up
I was just about to
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 03:56 ET by Quasi-socialistcomment and say that seeing that you're not needlessly trashing Palin, I would decrease some of the vitriol of my post. Since, I noticed that I was off on my take.
But maybe now, I'll just leave it up as reference point for our conversation--and to avoid the idea that I'm trying to cover up my rude behavior. I searched the page for the word "commonsense" and I didn't find it, but from recalling Palin in the clip thought that she had used it and didn't understand why you would make issue unless you're a silly little troll, who wanted to use anything to question Sarah's intelligence (which I'm not commital about, anyway). Saying you never saw it and giving Paine's title as examples remain pretty poor methods of argument.
So I'll leave it at that. I appreciate your measured first response, and I apologize for calling you a troll.
I've already been trashed about my name from a couple of people. I'm not going to change it just because somebody doesn't understand the principle. This site is about media bias and not supposed to be about furthering a single point of view, my allowance of socialism really shouldn't bother anybody. I think the media is as bias as any one to the right of me, and I've been tracking it since the 80s, watching CSPAN and gaging how things I saw there were reflected in the news.
The reason that you have a number of people on your side, as you have me, is media bias. Dennis Miller didn't understand why libs jumped all over him back when he first dared to say that Rush didn't sound crazy and some things he said actually make sense. He was actually on a show where he was explaining that he didn't think it was so bad to say that somebody made sense when you thought they made sense, when the host (Letterman?) gave him the same treatment. Bernie Goldberg, describes in Bias how he is still politically liberal, but we have seen how he--and Dick Morris--speaks more and more like a conservative the more they have to fight their "friends" who they always assumed played fair. Bert Prelutsky describes being driven further and further right in his sympathies by the way that his friends picked at any acknowledgement of the right as evidence that he would vote for any arch-conservative.
Prelutsky, since identifying himself as a conservative, writes that he does not believe that liberals really like each other, they have a type of comradery of the cause that holds them together.
btw Noel...
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 03:11 ET by Paul GI've wondered why it shows me 3 yrs when i've been a poster for at least 7 or 8 yrs? new password?
7-8 years?
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 06:10 ET by ckc1227How were you posting here 7-8 years ago before the blog even existed?
punchcards
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 10:03 ET by bashandpoppunchcards
→ Another lie
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 18:05 ET by Cool ArrowThe Hollerith card was already extinct 8 years ago.
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AP quote
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 03:36 ET by Paul Ghttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100113/ap_en_ot/us_tv_palin_fox_news
Palin ok by me
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 03:55 ET by donsalimanI don't know if I want Palin as President, I don't know if she would make a good President, but as a human being, I love her.
All these liberals who attack her, only listen to what other liberals say, and like Bush, they try to make her out as dumb nitwit.
She has more charisma in her little finger than those who attack her and I am talking about all them put together.
Arggggg
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 04:00 ET by vemoiWe could have had McCain.... and Palin's common sense conservatism and instead have the mess we are in.
Thank god we don't have
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 10:01 ET by bashandpopThank god we don't have McCain. I don't believe in that lesser of two evils bunk. The lesser evil is still evil.
Bash that is funny, yes the
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 20:01 ET by Dan The Man 2Bash that is funny, yes the two are still evil but it is the difference between the two is legion. I dont expect you to understand because Im convinced you have no sense and here just to Troll. But one evil will just maim you and the other will definitely kill you.
The reason the left hates Palin is
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 04:05 ET by jazz_fanThey hate her because they're terrified that she could duplicate what Reagan did. All you need do is look past the vitriol and that's their real fear, that's why the character assassination is unending even when she had no public role at all. If you truly dismiss someone as an idiot, you ignore them and that's hardly what the alphabet networks have been doing.
I hope she can talk sense to Steele and the GOP establishment to get them to replicate the Contract with America and this time hold their feet to the fire if they break that contract. Failing that at least get them to read and follow their own party platform. I may even register as a Republican again if I think they're becoming truly conservative, which means they have their work cut out for them.
The biggest reason they hate her
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 09:51 ET by Hoosier DaddyThe biggest reason they hate her is that she refused to kill her baby. That is unforgivable.
One Big A$$ Mistake, America
That also seems to be the
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 09:59 ET by bashandpopThat also seems to be the sole criterion for labeling her "conservative".
Really?
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 11:26 ET by KarmaHow did you arrive at that conclusion? There are many sources, including this one, that use two or more criterion. Look around handpop.
Hi. My name is John Q. Public, but some just call me racist.
Thanks for the link and for
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 11:55 ET by bashandpopThanks for the link and for proving she's no conservative (which I already knew).
So she favored the bailouts, including the bailouts of Freddie and Fannie, and castigated "predatory lenders" instead of the true culprits: Dodd, Frank, et al. She sure as heck isn't a fiscal conservative, so that leaves us with...the abortion issue.
One issue? Prove your basic
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 12:29 ET by KarmaOne issue? Prove your basic math is better than your reading comprehension. I'll give you a do-over. Go back and read it again.
Hi. My name is John Q. Public, but some just call me racist.
I did. She isn't a fiscal
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 13:05 ET by bashandpopI did. She isn't a fiscal conservative, as her words and actions attest. So that puts us on the social side.
Let's see...she's Christian, but then so are a lot of Democrats. No, being a Christian doesn't make one a conservative.
What are we left with? The abortion issue.
So, as I said, it seems to me this is the criterion on which she is called a conservative.
That pretty well sums it up.
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 14:09 ET by KarmaIt seems to me that handpop is less honest than a Democrat politician. Who here is surprised?
Hi. My name is John Q. Public, but some just call me racist.
handpop? What am I
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 14:18 ET by bashandpophandpop?
What am I being dishonest about? I'm being honest in my assessment: it seems to me that the criterion for which she can be called "conservative" is on abortion. Perhaps you could explain why she should be considered a conservative?
Simple, handpoptech.
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 14:44 ET by KarmaYou can't count and claim that you can. Dishonesty for all to see. With a dose of arrogance added. Typical elitist in the liberal style. You haven't changed, but then why would you? It's hard to improve on perfection, huh handpop.
Hi. My name is John Q. Public, but some just call me racist.
Is this entire site overrun
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 16:52 ET by bashandpopIs this entire site overrun with paranoid schizos?
→ Why bashpop?
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 16:59 ET by Cool ArrowAre you still looking for a support group?
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So PoopTech, what made you
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 17:00 ET by Free StinkerSo PoopTech, what made you decide to sneak back in?
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HUH????
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 11:54 ET by Hoosier Daddy>> That also seems to be the sole criterion for labeling her "conservative".
HUH????
What the hey does that mean????
One Big A$$ Mistake, America
Re Baby
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 15:50 ET by slickwillie2001I believe you are right. That was the point where the hatred for Palin from the liberals seemed to reach an irrational level at which it has remained ever since. What a pitiful issue on which to hate someone.
jazz: You make a good
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 11:24 ET by QueenMumjazz: You make a good point. My fear is that, in the effort to pull the party back to the right, the party is split. There are already conservatives who see the Tea Party movement as an entree' (no pun intended) for a third party candidate. If Palin has a role, the Repubs have to play the game with more than a little finesse. And if Palin is serious, she must be careful about "going rogue". Splitting the Republican vote will only serve to assure BHO gets another 4 years to further deconstruct America.
Thank you for clearly defining for me why Palin has become such a lightening rod. It's not about "hate", it's about abject fear. IMO, Palin herself didn't articulate it very well in her first appearance on Fox. She appeared too cautious about her role.
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Finesse is right! We have
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 12:21 ET by BruzillaFinesse is right! We have Charlie Crist down here, who's almost the RINO McCain is, and he's been repeatedly shooting himself in the ass by constantly belittling the Tea Party efforts. He's been as quick to relegate them to ineefective status as any Democrat, and he's likely going to lose the election because of it.
I like the way that his opponent, Marco Rubio, puts it: He's a Republican who feels that the Republican Party best meets the demands of the Tea Party folks.
QM
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 17:01 ET by BlondeI don't think any sane conservative would seriously consider a third party option, Tea Party or not.
We need to take back the Republican Party, and reform it. If the "moderates" who are so in love with being dem light don't like it, fine....let them leave. I am sick to death of the Arlen Specter's and Olympia Snowe's. They stick a knife in us every chance they get, and their supporters, and those of their political wishiwashiness (LOL, how's that!!!) can bugger off.
I don't think Palin has any intention of running as an independent. I'm becoming more and more convinced she's running for King Maker.
Agreed, she was cautious last night...but as I said earlier, I think BOR was trying to make her feel uncomfortable. I've come to the conclusion he's a big bully.
I hope he fails, too.
Can I gush?
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 06:50 ET by carolina09Saradorable, Saramerica. A lot of lady, a little bit of jock, a lot of common sense.
Maybe now that she's a
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 09:56 ET by bashandpopMaybe now that she's a contributer, we'll actually get to hear her present some ideas on policy. I think she's more populist than conservative, and her actions as governor do not show her to be a conservative:
"Over the opposition of oil companies, Republican Gov. Sarah Palin and
Alaska’s Legislature last year approved a major increase in taxes on
the oil industry — a step that has generated stunning new wealth for
the state as oil prices soared."
"Palin’s administration last week gained legislative approval for a
special $1,200 payment to every Alaskan to help cope with gas prices,
which are among the highest in the country. That check will come on top of the annual dividend of about $2,000 that
each resident could receive this year from an oil-wealth savings
account."
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008103325_alaskatax07.h...
That is NOT limited government, and that is NOT conservative.
Bash, Was there supposed
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 12:34 ET by BuffNBoneBash,
Was there supposed to be a "sarc" tag on or something with your post?
Maybe I've flown too many high altitude sorties but I think taxing an entity that removes reources from your domain to be used elsewhere is a good thing. Especially when the money is tagged to be offset an expense in the same sector (energy costs). Also it would be tough to make a case that she's in bed with big oil rather she was looking out for the citizens of her state.
Your post made it sound like these payments are something she just started. The annual dividend to Alaskan residents has been around for many years. Granted the special payment may have been at her prompting. But isn't allowing individual citizens the discretion to spend money where they think is best a good thing for the economy rather than having government make the decision? I'm sure you can point out some who will buy booze but others can start their own business or invest the money.
Too bad I never had an assignment there so I could claim residency.
"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"
It doesn't matter if she
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 13:02 ET by bashandpopIt doesn't matter if she started them or not, she supported them as governor. Her actions do not portray her to be for limited government. Call me crazy, but raising taxes or creating new taxes ain't exactly conservative.
It also counters her, "Drill, baby! Drill!" chant when she imposes a burden on these same companies.
So you're for raising taxes as well in order to seize a claim on an industry's or company's profits? It looks like you have a friend in Palin, then.
I believe a company or
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 13:22 ET by BuffNBoneI believe a company or industry should make a fair payment for what they take, consume, disturb, or profit from. Where do you think the existing payout (that she sought to increase) to Alaskan residents came from?
So long as the net cost to US consumers is in the range of what the world market charges I'm okay with that. Unless the companies choose to slow down their exploration, drilling, and production I don't see it as a counter to "Drill, Baby, Drill." Are you saying that has happened?
"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"
The companies were already
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 13:34 ET by bashandpopThe companies were already under contract with the state. That's where your "fair payment" would be found. No, the new taxes imposed by Palin were to get at the PROFITS of the companies.
When taxes negatively affect the means and ability of a company to pursue exploration, then it most certainly counters "Drill, baby! Drill!"
The payout is nothing less than wealth redistribution. If this is meant to be a defense of raising taxes and then giving that seized money to citizens, then know that it isn't a defense of the free market or of conservativism.
I suppose the most
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 13:48 ET by BuffNBoneI suppose the most equitable way to deal with the situation would be to only levy the tax on new drilling. Raising the tax rate ex post facto could be said to be a breach of contract and therefore something that could be challenged.
You got anything that says companies are not of have slowed down their exploration and drilling?
Based on your last paragraph then is it safe to assume you are opposed to the proposed healthcare legislation and cap n trade?
"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"
"You got anything that says
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 14:23 ET by bashandpop"You got anything that says companies are not of have slowed down their exploration and drilling?"
I linked to it in my initial post.
"Based on your last paragraph then is it safe to assume you are opposed to the proposed healthcare legislation and cap n trade?"
I'm libertarian and a Constitutionalist. You're damn straight I'm against them.
Hey PoopTech ! You managed
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 13:06 ET by Free StinkerHey PoopTech ! You managed to sneak back in!
How is your buddy Wayne Allen Moonbat doing? Does he have his national radio show yet?
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You know, I was thinking
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 13:23 ET by Scuba DudeYou know, I was thinking the exact same thing. Waiting for the links to start popping up.
"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws" Tacitus
Perfect fit
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 10:12 ET by TruestarI'd say Sarah Palin and Fox are a perfect fit. Palin has been unceasingly lambasted by the LSM since Sept. of '08---no balance to be had there. No other woman, lib or con, has ever been subjected to such vitriol. But Fox will allow her a forum to speak her mind, and certainly allow her to defend herself and correct the record.
And I will add, I understand perfectly why Palin is such an object of incessant interest and ridicule by the LSM. It's because she's a conservative female---not just a woman who the "feminists" would presumably have defended 40 years ago (just because she's a woman), but a woman who doesn't happen to be a liberal.
I would say to those who so hypocritically hate Sarah Palin---be careful what you wish for, you might just get it---a conservative WOMAN in a place of power.
Palin on O'Reilly
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 10:54 ET by QueenMumPalin's debut was with the least threatening person on Fox. She was clearly nervous - her eyes darting and her face tightening at the tough questions. Her answers to the questions amounted to talking points and more like campaign rhetoric than clear answers. She dodged the tough ones and was reticent to take a clear stand on issues such as Iran. She's clearly in campaign mode. Looking at her appearance objectively, I give her a C. One can't help but compare her to other Fox contributors who are so much more confident and outspoken. She's either trying too hard to be nice or she's not quite ready yet to really take a stand on the issues. We'll see how she does with Glen Beck. That's a whole different venue. If she's still wishy-washy with someone like Beck and continues to appear on Fox, Fox will be taking more than a little heat from the left. But perhaps that's the game. I've given up trying to understand the machinations of the media.
God loves us; God is in control; God knows better than we do!
Despite what he thinks, to
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 12:51 ET by BuffNBoneDespite what he thinks, to me BOR comes across as a bully. I agree she appeared somewhat uncomfortable. The "interview" seemed more like a rookie camp initiation, freshman hazing, or the big dog lifting his leg higher on the hydrant to let everyone know his status in the neighborhood.
Is part of BOR's role at Fox to vet who comes on the team? His schtick is getting old (older) by the week. It will be interesting to see Beck, Stossel, Dobbs, and now Palin as they hit their strides. As it happens the White House Fear of Fox (FoF) will only grow.
"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"
So
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 13:10 ET by Free StinkerSo predictable.
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Aye to that Free. PDS
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 13:32 ET by Scuba DudeAye to that Free. PDS alive and well in the ranks.
I cannot see how someone could say Beck is the better interviewer over BOR. BOR will hit them with some decent questions, but the problem is he does not really let them answer or interrupts them. Personally I think Greta is a far better interviewer.
"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws" Tacitus
I agree to a point...
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 13:50 ET by stage9Every time I've watched O'Reilly interview her he always has tended to ask rapid questions one after the other, not allowing her to finish. This is a good tactic to rattle your guest. She never got rattled but shot back with the best answer she could.
As far as her answers being too campaignish...I would agree, but I think what she was trying to steer away from was the stupid gossip-garbage that has been said about her. She didn't care what liberals thought about her, or what trash they were spreading, she wanted to focus her energies on what Americans wanted.
And to that end I agree. Who gives a rip what Olbermann or Matthews or Maddow thinks about her? I care about how we're going to fix the issues destroying our nation, and for that I applaud her if for no other reason.
"If God is dead, somebody is going to have to take his place. It will be megalomania or erotomania, the drive for power or the drive for pleasure, the clenched fist or the phallus, Hitler or Hugh Hefner." — Malcolm Muggeridge
Calling Palin stupid is a
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 11:54 ET by BruzillaCalling Palin stupid is a mistake as someone who is genuinely stupid cannot attain the positions in life that she has. I do think that she's inexperienced and ignorant of a lot of knowledge that an effective President needs to have, but those are things that can be gained over time, which is why I wish she would have completed her term as governor.
I found two aspects of the O'Reilly interview disturbing. The first, and most important, is that Palin is very effective at offering up conventional wisdom/popularist commentary about various issues, but she wilts when the discussion goes deeper. She's a lot like Obama in this regard. It's pretty obvious that neither of them have spent a lot of time learning about or considering the in-depth cause and effect aspects of the issues, and both of them need to get beyond the quick applause line/sound bite stage.
The other thing that bothered me is that she was evasive several times when answering some of O'Reilly's questions. When you're asked if something is a lie, it either is or it isn't, so why couldn't she just say yes or no? Instead she nade some weak denials, tried to change the subject, or deflect the question until O'Reilly could finally pin her down. In interrogation methods, that's a pretty sure sign that the person you're talking to is lying and stalling for time while they think of an answer.
So, Bruzilla, were they lying or not.
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 18:16 ET by needleWere John Heilemann and Steve Schmidt lying or not? Yes or No? Quick, Quick. Don’t hem and haw. Oh, and by the way, whichever you answer, you will not only be crucified but stand a good chance of being fired and maybe sued for libel for ten times more than you are worth.
What?!? You haven’t answered yet?!? I said "Yes or No." What good are you?
Think I am kidding? With you, yes. However, you should remember there is nobody – and I mean absolutely NOBODY – who is more under the gun than Sarah Palin. There are literally tens of thousands of Liberals who are looking for absolutely anything with which to impugn Sarah Palin; and they, by the way, don’t mind lying to do so, but whether they are lying or not, Sarah is the one who gets smeared. Are you smart enough and courageous enough to walk in Sarah’s shoes? Could you last like she has? Do you know what you are talking about?
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→ needle
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 18:39 ET by Cool ArrowI somewhat agree with motherbelt. I'm getting wary of rhetoric.
I shouted BRAVO! when Sarah threw out the "death panels" remark, because in doing so she exhibited an ability to cut through the BS.
Her next move should be to bash the backroom deal Pelosi is pushing to exempt Unions from Cadillac Taxes on healthcare. And she needs to do it in such a way as to expose the seamy underbelly of union politics.
I hope she jumps into cahoots with Glenn Beck for a crash course on what's really being done to America.
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They Hate Her...
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 12:37 ET by aeroveloNot because she refused to kill her baby, that confuses them, but I don't think it's central in their hatred.
Liberals are wired to follow, and they justify this need to be lead by elevating their "leaders" to elite status. Their education, their eloquence, essentially the traits they carry that put them above the common man. That is what liberals crave in a leader.
Palin just comes off too folksy, too ordinary for them. Her approachable, casual manner is insulting to liberals, they would feel as though someone of lesser intellect is in charge of their lives.
For liberals it has almost nothing to do with politics and everything to do with appearances...
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Ask yourself: Do I want a good paying job, or do I want a government hand out. Its that simple!
right on target aerovelo
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 14:16 ET by cajun2Liberals have self identified as elitist snobs, image and celebrity is everything. Look how they trashed her about the clothes. My question was always ..what would good is a $700 pair of sneakers or $5000 evening dress when you live in Alaska? Down here in south La. my most expensive pair of shoes is mud boots.
Ronald Reagan said,,,, Americans want a candidate to be one of them, a common man, but then that man(woman) must then rise to the level of the position. The intellectual celebrity we have now has yet to rise to the position. The msm even comment on "how tired he is" from the rigors of the job. Pauve bete.
newsbusters tone
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 14:20 ET by soosanI'm glad to see that the "tone" when the subject of Palin comes up on newsbusters is moderating - a year ago I felt that we were bashing her.
I remain a firm supporter of every populist bone in her body and of her conservative values. Kudos to her for wrestling a bit more money for her constituents from big oil - I'm still peeved about that pre-election $4 a gallon at the pumps fiasco that helped push the left into the White House.
Maybe it is Sarah-as-kingmaker for the republicans.
BTW, on the news the other night I heard someone admit that McCain did better with her on the ticket. Finally!
"Kudos to her for
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 14:29 ET by bashandpop"Kudos to her for wrestling a bit more money for her constituents from big oil"
That isn't conservative; that's wealth redistribution, and that's liberal, to put it mildly.
Conservative values my ass.
Which one?
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 14:49 ET by KarmaTell us who the conservative is who values your ass.
Hi. My name is John Q. Public, but some just call me racist.
Nice shot, Karma---
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 17:23 ET by matthewdeanmakes me so proud.
MD
"There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."
Mark Twain (1835-1910)
→ bashpop
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 15:00 ET by Cool ArrowIsn't it a bit simple to to call a renegotiation of royalty a "redistribution of wealth?
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Taxation is not a
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 15:51 ET by bashandpopTaxation is not a "renegotiation of royalty". Someone else tried to claim that this is about some "fair payment" for resources, ignoring the fact that the fair payment is negotiated in the contract with the state. The taxes were passed by Palin as a means to seize a portion of oil profits.
→ Not the case bash
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 17:01 ET by Cool ArrowMaybe you need to do a little digging and find out who owns the oil underneath Alaska.
It's not individual landowners.
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Taxation is not
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 17:11 ET by bashandpopTaxation is not renegotiation. Taxation seizes profits for the state. Palin supported taxing the companies, signed legislation taxing the companies, and bragged about it.
Maybe you need to do a little digging and find out who owns earned wealth and profits. (HINT: it's not the state)
→ b-pop
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 17:15 ET by Cool ArrowCarry on with your assertion that the State owes its fealty to the Oil Companies.
I think I'll just disagree.
Barack Ѡbama - The new seat of power
I never made that assertion.
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 17:20 ET by bashandpopI never made that assertion. Perhaps you'd be better served responding to what is actually written rather than what you think or wish were written.
→ Nope
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 17:24 ET by Cool ArrowYou said the State owes its allegiance to corporations, headquartered elsewhere, rather than to its citizens.
I understand your angle, I see it all the time on your side of the aisle. Usually it's backroom deals for prescription meds, Sweetheart deals for unionized companies.
But I get your drift.
I never said that at all,
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 17:30 ET by bashandpopI never said that at all, nor would I ever say that.
Keep making things up that you wish were there rather than what was actually said.
→ It's ok bashpop
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 17:53 ET by Cool ArrowI know it was a primarily Republican problem in Alaska that that you're defending. Too many sweetheart deals between politicians and oil companies is what brought Sarah Palin to the Oil&Gas Commission, and subsequently, the Governor's mansion.
Having been lifted to power on a platform of correcting the miscarriages that occurred on the previous watch, I think it was incumbent on her to do so.
But you're still welcome to your own set of facts. It's not uncommon for scientists to follow the money, rather than the evidence.
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testy
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 15:30 ET by soosanI am allowed to think that a renegotiation of contracts to improve ones position - especially when you've been elected to serve a constituency or a company - is an OK thing. I remain much more troubled by the "crisis" that pushed our fuel prices over $4 - that little bit of market manipulation really hurt more average and poor americans than Sarah's tax increase and her taking care of Alaskans.
The term conservative entails a bit more for me than the taxing of the oil companies (do you work for one?). I'm actually fond of the private sector and wish it no ill will.
I'm also a big fan of traditional marriage, life, liberty and freedom -a strong national defense, properly controlled borders, and limited government growth/infringement on our lives. (for the record my conservatism also includes conservation).
Sarah seems to have a platform and I'd like to hear what she has to say.
Silly me.
Taxation is not a
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 15:52 ET by bashandpopTaxation is not a renegotiation of contracts.
Please.
the issue
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 16:08 ET by soosanI think the gal did a pretty good job for her contituents in Alaska and so do they. The issue in the posting was how she did with Billie O and whether or not she's a credible conservative voice. You'd prefer David Brooks?
The ends do not justify the
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 16:56 ET by bashandpopThe ends do not justify the means.
No, she is not a credible conservative voice because she isn't a conservative. She's a populist. Even you mentioned it a few posts above. Populism is not conservativism.
→ Again bashpop
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 17:04 ET by Cool ArrowThe State of Alaska has authority over its resources. Individual citizens are allowed to participate in whatever terms the State bargains for.
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Ok, for the last
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 17:22 ET by bashandpopOk, for the last time:
There were contracts with the oil companies. These contracts laid out terms of agreement between the companies and the state, including compensation. That's one thing.
There was legislation that raised taxes on the companies to get at their profits. That's another thing, and something entirely different from the contracts.
Get it?
You are leaving out how the
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 17:32 ET by Free StinkerYou are leaving out how the prevous governor had changed the oil tax system ELF, to PPT and thus was actually screwing Alaska out of money they used to receive. Legislators went to jail over the bribes they received to push this new tax plan.
Palin puts in a new tax plan - ACES - to redress the corrupted PPT and "voila" . . . Palin critics cry "tax increase", and show their own ignorance of the facts.
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→ Thanks, Free
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 18:38 ET by Cool Arrowbashpop calls himself a libertarian to set himself up as some kind of holier-than-thou intellectual.
He's really just a liberal who's never drawn a paycheck from anybody other than Uncle Sam in his life.
He knows from whence comes his bread, and also his butter.
Barack Ѡbama - The new seat of power
Personally, I love it
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 14:21 ET by countmein5050I love that they continue to attack her..to marginalize her...to underestimate her...to try to pull into fact their 'predictions' about what she'll do next. I love that they're spending sooooo much time on her that they are actually showing all their cards in their game at the most important high stakes table of all time. I hope they continue to disrobe in front of the world. I hope they carry on....business as usual...wasting time on telling lies, attacking messengers, and being themselves. There won't be any money to be paid on a 'tell all' book about the MSM...about the Obama drones who sacrificed themselves for this empty suit...it's being told in all its glory by them...first hand.
I thought she was being too
Wed, 01/13/2010 - 18:04 ET by RR GOPI thought she was being too political and a bit evasive. Don't want to hear the "let's talk about the real issues the American people care about" crap. The "issues" aren't going to get solved the way we'd like them to be pure and simple. Let's talk about how much damage these Marxists are doing to this country and spend more time exposing them for what they are and educating the sheeple out there who still haven't got a clue.
Tell us what you would do to these Godless heathens over in southwest Asia trying to kill us, and to these Communists both here and oversees that seek to enslave America if you have the power.
Guess I've become spoiled by Beck. LOL.
"Under Capitalism, man exploits man. Under Communism it's just the opposite."
"All that Communism needs to make it successful is for someone to feed and clothe it."