If President Obama or any Democrat had actually won the dubious honor of committing PolitiFact's "Lie of the Year," do you think CNN would have reported it?
Fat chance, right?
Before you answer, consider the glee exhibited by CNN's Josh Levs Sunday when he announced Sarah Palin had "won" for her Facebook comment concerning a "death panel" in healthcare reform legislation (video embedded below the fold with transcript, h/t Story Balloon):
BETTY NGUYEN, CO-ANCHOR: Well, let's talk about politics, shall we? Something that some may say is not. And specifically this: a competition in U.S. politics that nobody wants to win. Yes, we are talking about who had the biggest "lie of the year."
ROB MARCIANO, CO-ANCHOR: And the results are in.
NGUYEN: Yes.
MARCIANO: Josh Levs here with that answer.
JOSH LEVS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You guys got your own drum roll going up there.
NGUYEN: Trying, I was trying that. So, the biggest lie of the year, that's not something anybody wants to hold the title to.
LEVS: Yes, a dubious distinction. And you know where it comes, it comes from PolitiFact.com, it's that reality-checking from "The St. Petersburg Times." It gives rulings on what politicians say, and they are constantly looking at new assertion, that goes from true to half- true, all the way down to "pants on fire." They're friends of our show here.
They pulled out some of what they called the biggest lies of the year. So, here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to show a couple candidates and then the winner. One of the candidates was this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
OBAMA: The reforms -- the reforms I am proposing would not apply to those who are here illegal.
REP. JOE WILSON (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: You lie!
(BOOING)
OBAMA: Not true.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
LEVS: Representative Joe Wilson famously yelled "You lie" at that moment. PolitiFact said that while there has been a debate, there is a debate over how illegal immigrants would be impacted by health care legislation, there was not enough to make the case that President Obama had lie. So, they made Wilson's accusation a candidate for Lie of the Year.
But another candidate was this from President Obama, saying why insurance companies should be required to cover preventive care.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
OBAMA: Because there's no reason we shouldn't be catching diseases like breast cancer and colon cancer before they get worse. That makes sense. It saves money and it saves lives.
(APPLAUSE)
(END VIDEO CLIP) LEVS: Preventive care does help save lives, and it's important. But PolitiFact says it actually does not save the country money. Congressional Budget Office says that it adds to overall costs.
All right. So, those were a couple of the other examples, but in the end, the Lie of the Year, by far, according to PolitiFact.com...
(DRUM ROLL)
LEVS: There's that drum roll -- was this: it was from former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin saying, "Seniors and the disabled will have to stand in front of Obama's death panel so his bureaucrats can decide whether they are worthy of health care."
PolitiFact said the health care she was talking about did not establish anything like that. So, the editors of the PolitiFact chose it for their Lie of the Year.
And they held a poll on their Web site in which people could vote. They got 5,000 votes. And 61 percent named it top lie of the year.
And to be fair, PolitiFact points out that she stands by this. Last month, she told this to "The National Review," a conservative publication. She said the terms should not be taken literally.
She called it "a lot like when President Reagan used to refer to the Soviet Union was the evil empire. He got his point across. He got people thinking and researching what he was talking about. It was quite effective," she says. "Same thing with death panels, I would characterize them like that again in a heartbeat."
What do you think? Here's how you can weigh in. We are talking about that today on the blog. Also Facebook and Twitter, JoshLevsCNN, the blog is CNN.com/Josh.
Tell us what you think. Was it the biggest lie of the year? Did it have the biggest impact? Do you view it as a lie? What do you think about all this?
So, there you, Betty and Rob, PolitiFact's choice and the viewers' choice on their Web site for the Lie of the Year.
NGUYEN: Yes. You know, it's going to be interesting to see what people think about that.
LEVS: Yes.
NGUYEN: And specifically, the question that you ask, do you view it as a lie? Because Sarah Palin says, well, it shouldn't be taken literally.
LEVS: Yes.
NGUYEN: She didn't mean it like that. So, was that really a lie?
LEVS: Right. She got away of construing it, you know? And this is often, too, about a lot of these political assertions, right, if you come back and give it a whole new view.
But a lot of people are screaming up and they're saying straight up it was a lie.
NGUYEN: Right.
(CROSSTALK)
NGUYEN: Yes, you know, that's what it says. It will be interesting to see what people have to say about that.
All right. Let us know. Thank you, Josh.
LEVS: Thanks, guys.
MARCIANO: Thank you, Josh.
I might use that as a fallback, you know...
NGUYEN: Yes?
MARCIANO: ... if I am caught in a lie of some sort. A horrible lie, you know, I didn't say, I didn't mean that, I was just...
NGUYEN: Don't take it literally.
MARCIANO: Don't take it literally.
NGUYEN: All right.
MARCIANO: All right.
For a little background, PolitiFact announced this "contest" on December 9. Please note that of the eight "finalists," five were statements made by conservatives:
"When one person sneezes, it goes all the way through the aircraft."
-- Joe Biden on Thursday, April 30, 2009, in an interview on The Today ShowPreventive care "saves money."
-- Barack Obama on Wednesday, Sept. 9, 2009, in a speech to Congress"You lie!" (in response to President Obama saying health reform would not insure illegal immigrants.)
-- Joe Wilson on Wednesday, Sept. 9, 2009, in the audience at a joint session of CongressSeniors and the disabled "will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care."
-- Sarah Palin on Friday, Aug. 7, 2009, in a message posted on FacebookJohn Holdren, director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, "has proposed forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population."
-- Glenn Beck on Wednesday, July 22, 2009, in his TV programAn amendment to the House health reform bill "puts new restrictions on women's access to abortion coverage in the private health insurance market even when they would pay premiums with their own money."
-- Nita Lowey on Saturday, Nov. 7, 2009, in a speech on the House floorA birth certificate shows Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
-- Orly Taitz on Sunday, Aug. 2, 2009, in an attachment to a lawsuitPage 92 of the House health care bill "says specifically that people can't purchase private health insurance after a date certain."
-- Michele Bachmann on Friday, Oct. 30, 2009, in an interview on the Fox News Channel.
Interesting that one of the three Democrats on this list was a New York Congresswoman that likely few people had ever heard of.
Beyond this, of all the falsehoods stated this year by Obama and Biden, the two PolitiFact chose seemed rather innocuous. Maybe that's why they didn't receive many votes.
But none of this should be surprising, for PolitiFact has a very hard time hiding its liberal bias. Take a look at the first page of individual's statements PF lists as "Pants on Fire" (meaning REALLY big lies), and you'll see they're all by Conservatives (h/t Mark Finkelstein).
That's not all for NewsBusters contributor Matthew Vadum wrote extensively about PolitiFact's biases in May:
Journalistic bias is one thing, but journalistic arrogance is quite another.
When reporters claiming to be neutral political fact-checkers go beyond mere reporting to state with absolute certainty things they cannot possibly know, they run the risk of churning out political opinion masquerading as high-minded investigative journalism.
This is exactly what the reporters at the fact-checking operation PolitiFact.com sometimes do. A project of the St. Petersburg Times, the website's "Truth-O-Meter" purports to check and rate "the accuracy of statements by candidates, elected officials, political parties, interest groups, pundits, talk show hosts." [...]
Should anyone really be surprised that PolitiFact, part of the St. Petersburg Times, would have a liberal bias?
On Oct. 24, PolitiFact gave then-vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin's statement that Obama would "experiment with socialism" a "Pants on Fire" ruling.
An editorial in Wednesday's print edition of the newspaper hails President Obama's selection of undistinguished radical jurist Sonia Sotomayor to fill the Supreme Court slot of retiring Justice David Souter. As if reading from an administration press release, the newspaper gushes that Sotomayor is someone with a "powerful intellect who demonstrates compassion and a common touch."
On May 22 an editorial lauded the president for a recent speech in which he "laid out a cogent framework to return to the rule of law in the future treatment of terrorism suspects and close the prison." Former Vice President Dick Cheney, on the other hand, was described as spewing "vitriol" and "recklessly" arguing that Obama's policies were encouraging more terrorist attacks.
On May 20 an editorial served as environmentalist cheerleading for the president's tougher fuel economy standards for cars and trucks, describing them as "a much-needed win for consumers, the environment and the struggling automotive industry."
On Sept. 14, an editorial attacked Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign. "McCain's straight talk has become a toxic mix of lies and double-speak," it said.
A left-wing slant seems embedded in the paper's DNA.
Former St. Petersburg Times associate editor Martin Dyckman recalled what it was like being in the newsroom in 1963 when President John F. Kennedy was assassinated.
Dyckman, who retired as associate editor in 2006, reminisced that on that terrible day he "was standing at the teletype when the first flash came in that a suspected Marxist, Lee Harvey Oswald, was being held in connection with the shooting."
He recalled that the paper's publisher, Nelson Poynter, was dejected when Dyckman relayed the report. "'Oh, no,'" Dyckman quoted the publisher saying. "'I was hoping it would be a right-winger.'"
Looking at how PolitiFact considers lies, it appears they're always hoping the offenders are right-wingers.
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→ Lie of the year
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 19:48 ET by Cool ArrowAnd where did Obama's denial of Joe Wilson's accusation come in?
Wilson: "You lie!"
Obama "That's not true!"
Only a complete unmitigated fool......
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 12:18 ET by Patriot IIthinks thats a lie!!! the mad muslim from mumbasa doesn't give a rats butt about americans or their lives......die infidels!!!!
You decide CNN, who was really telling the "lie of the year"?
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 15:02 ET by SharonMcPAt the time of that exchange, the House bill actually included this:
You decide CNN, who was really telling the "lie of the year"?
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Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives. ~ Ronald Reagan
Ya....we'll see who......
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 19:48 ET by BEGRUNTthe big liar is when this monstrosity is enacted.
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
No bigger lie has ever been perpetrated on the public...
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 19:58 ET by unkeeafThe Democrats will pay for this for many years. It is political suicide.
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Why the Tea Party movement could backfire on Conservatives:
http://bit.ly/6X9Dya
it does seem that the
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 21:03 ET by TruthMongerit does seem that the more democrats win these days - the more we win 10 times over - for centuries of elections to come
and carter cautionary tales are still a gold mine:)
are we becoming politically stinking rich for the long-term or what?! smart money
Translation: Sarah Palin
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 19:51 ET by Free StinkerTranslation: Sarah Palin has effectively used two words to add a 4-5 month delay to the Healthcare Bill, and we at the MSM hate her even more.
Or something like that.
خال
Well, Well, Well...
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 19:52 ET by srqvetBill will cover illegals, taxpayer funding of abortions, and will not add one dime to the deficit. Who promised it wouldn't? Hmmmmm. Oh yes, that was Obamao.
Facking fascist media.
...cuba has the best
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 20:51 ET by TruthMonger...cuba has the best healthcare, chavez is actually a pretty nice guy, the climate is warming/cooling/changing/staying the same - and now these people declare Sarah Palin a liar...
ok - i guess we can take that one to the bank too - sheesh
McCarthy was right
Riiiiight
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 19:54 ET by In ExcessIt was such a lie, the Democrats scrambled to remove the language from all of the bills within a few days.
I'll go with the $900 billion price tag for the first 10 years of gov't run health care as the biggest lie.
This is amazing considering
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 20:03 ET by rbosqueThis is amazing considering the Obama Administration is a lie, from start to finish.
From the birth certificate to "climate change", cap 'n trade, socialized healthcare, to " if Congress does not pass health care legislation that will bring down costs, the federal government “will go bankrupt.” And who can forget that according to Obama, we're a "Muslim nation"?
Bull crap!
You know the more they unfairly attack Sarah.......
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 20:07 ET by ShaLungthe more I find myself wanting to vote for her in 2012. JUST TO PISS THEM OFF !!!!!!!!!
They can't say it's a 'lie'....
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 20:12 ET by SlyrrIt has yet to be proven. Once the Demorats have conquered health care, you can bet your sweet patookus there will be death panels. Because they'll have to ration health care. And health care rationed is health care DENIED. And health care denied will be a death sentence for those who Obama's Death Czar deems unworthy of being treated.
Palin was making a prediction of what will happen once this disaster of a 'health care' bill is passed. It's not a matter of truth or falsehoods, but of common sense. No matter how much the Demorats wail that they'll be giving 'free health care to everyone', they won't be able to do it. None of the states that have tried it with their mini-programs have made it work yet. Hawaii's crashed and burned inside of a few months.
This bill will turn America's hospitals into Government-run flop houses.
CNN Claims It's Unbiased
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 20:15 ET by BW222CNN pretending to be unbiased is the biggest lie of the year.
BW222
Politifact and St Petersburg: Pop Facts
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 00:22 ET by timrfrench61I have seen this before from Politifact that they were sketchy and this absolutly marks them as a joke. Of course CNN Fact Checked SNL.
This from a Newspaper??? Man bites Dog...
RRAALLLPPPPHHHHH
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 20:16 ET by nadadhimmiIf I see the initials CNN one more time I'm gonna puke.
Lie of the year: Obama's
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 20:32 ET by George S PattonLie of the year: Obama's administration and anything algore said.
CNN
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 20:34 ET by TexndocCNN's ratings are in the toilet. No lie!
The "Death Panels" comment was TRUE. Sarah Palin has more ...
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 20:40 ET by Jayke... truth in her little finger than all the Dems in CLOWNGRESS put together! Does anybody watch that Communist News Network anymore? I mean besides the Castro brothers, Chavez and Algore?
You got it. Death panels
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 21:11 ET by Radical1979You got it. Death panels (by another name) most certainly were in the first bill. What a bunch of b.s. this report was.
Its in this one too
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 21:49 ET by general companyIf the fed says squat about what a Dr can do on your behalf, well call it by any other name if you want?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Sadly I don't know what's in
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 22:00 ET by Radical1979Sadly I don't know what's in this bill. They're doing their best to hide it. But I do know whatever is in this bill, I don't want.
Well if they had asked me....
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 20:44 ET by NC CopI would have voted for the time Obama took his oath of office and got to the point of "defending the Constitution" part as the biggest lie.
Apparently, Obama interpreted that as "pissing on the Constistuion".
God help us all.
Do we call weathermen liars if their forecasts are wrong?
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 21:06 ET by Ted ClarkeHow can a prediction be called "a lie"? Either it will come true or it won't. If a weatherman misses the mark by forecasting rain that never happens, we don't call him a liar and we don't call the forecast a lie. Sarah Palin made a prediction of what WILL happen. It's not yet possible to know if it's true or false so it's wrong to call it a lie. Dare I say that it is "a lie" to call it a lie?
It Was A Freaking Metaphor!
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 12:50 ET by miss911ninjaOh how clever they all thought they were, yukking it up at the end of the segment, joking about how an excuse for a lie could be made by using the "fallback" that it shouldn't have been taken "literally."
When Sarah explained that her comment should not be taken literally, it was only for the benefit of the fools who thought she meant it that way, those incapable of recognizing an obvious metaphor, which was also brilliantly worded.
Of course premature babies, the handicapped, the elderly, and anyone else who is weak or fragile could not "stand in front of" a panel of those who would decide their fate, as if they were in front of a parole board. The panel will be made up of nameless, faceless bureaucrats using some version of Ezekiel Emmanuel's "Complete Lives System" to decide if they may be treated, which could mean whether they live or die.
STAY ON OFFENSE
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 21:30 ET by CrashSarah has the left on the ropes ... keep hitting!
Exactly, Crash
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 21:38 ET by DoktorFrankenShe's over the target and taking flak. Bombs away, Sarah!!
Sarah Palin: The Most Dangerous Conservative In America
Unproven "lie"
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 21:33 ET by tobiasdogCalling a prediction a lie is just a tactic to put a conservative "lie" at number 1 to avoid the myriad lies coming from the left EVERY day since the ascension of The One!
Depends on what your definition of lie is. Here is the left redefining the English language again!
Was This 'The View'?
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 21:40 ET by DoktorFrankenWas this 'The View' or a CNN show? Oops! No difference.
Never mind.
Sarah Palin: The Most Dangerous Conservative In America
Well they are different.
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 21:45 ET by Radical1979Well they are different. No audience like on The View.
I would think our jug-eared
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 22:03 ET by ConservativeRexI would think our jug-eared president saying he would defend the Constitution is a pretty big lie.
But what do I know? I'm just one of the millions upon millions who are going to drag every single democrat out of office over the next 3 years or so. They are finished. Literally. And all who back them, no more playing friendly, that went out the window.
Hell, now we've got nothing to lose. Might as well start knocking some heads around.
Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum
CN Who?
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 23:18 ET by pjost"We're gonna have these healthcare debates on C-Span" Most transparent admin. EVAH!
That was the biggest lie of the year
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 02:14 ET by OxyConBut for some reason CNN and Politifact omitted it.
Gee, I wonder why...
What else is new?
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 23:48 ET by SharonMcPSarah Palin could say 2+2=4 and the PDS junkies would still demean, belittle and call her a liar.
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On those days I feel like giving up and waving a white flag, I look at the picture of my 10 yr. old grandson in a Young Marines Color Guard, and I remember what's worth fighting for.
i find it funny that it
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 23:59 ET by criticalthinkingi find it funny that it never occurs to you clowns that the reaason conservatives win these awards is because they are stuffed with so much more bs then democrats, which is quite an accomplishment, because the dems are stuffed pretty full of it. Death panels? Are you kidding me? Do you wackos really think that Obama is going to set up death pannels? What space people...and to think that your leader made that public statement with no shame...please people...READ! in fact, try this mental exercise: read, think and reapeat...read, think repeat, read, think, reapeat. you'll get the hang of it
Thank the heavenly father for Obama
"in fact, try this mental
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 00:10 ET by ckc1227"in fact, try this mental exercise: read, think and reapeat...read,
think repeat, read, think, reapeat. you'll get the hang of it"
Maybe you should follow your own advice....and maybe invest in a dictionary....or spellcheck. Then maybe you can get around to taking a Freshman level English course, since reading comprehension is clearly not your strong suit....or if it helps....reediingg are cleerLy aint knott yur stromng soot.
Have you ever tried posting without name calling?
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 00:26 ET by BlondeThere are many superior forms of floral arrangements.
Personally, I prefer phalenopsis orchids....and cattleyas.
But gardeing is a totally worthwhile past time. In northern areas of the country, irises, tulips, peonies, forsythia.....many many fabulous opportunites for a spectacular garden are available to those with a mere modicum of gardening talent.
Here in the south, of course, orchids rule.
I hope he fails, too.
you're write, I would
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 00:38 ET by criticalthinkingyou're write, I would prefer to post with out insults, but sometimes i am so bothered by stupidness...this death pannel bit is over the top dumb, and its ugly becuase its just banking on scaring stupid people which is as ugly as ugly gets
Thank the heavenly father for Obama
"i am so bothered by
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 00:45 ET by ckc1227"i am so bothered by stupidness"
Self-loathing I suspect.
Of course I'm "write"
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 01:01 ET by BlondeOrchids are lovely flowers.....and they grow like weeds with the proper care.
I hope he fails, too.
Much enjoy the fragrance of orchids
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 01:36 ET by SharonMcPBut if I get any closer than 10 ft of them, I get a terrible headache, my eyes water and I sneeze uncontrollably.
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On those days I feel like giving up and waving a white flag, I look at the picture of my 10 yr. old grandson in a Young Marines Color Guard, and I remember what's worth fighting for.
Alas...many of my orchids
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 01:37 ET by Blondeare very odiferous. But in a nice way.
I hope he fails, too.
Orchids
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 09:45 ET by RukusMrs. Rukus has tons of plants/flowers, but no orchids. Are they hard to grow? We have some nice plants in our tropical garden outside, orchids would be nice. Any advice for an orchid newbie? : )
Gary
Did you ever realize that the "stronger sex" is really the "weaker sex" because of the weakness of the stronger sex for the weaker sex?
Blonde, what about Cactus?
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 00:50 ET by SharonMcPCactus remind me of politicians, except you get to see which ones are the real pricks before you're stuck with them.
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On those days I feel like giving up and waving a white flag, I look at the picture of my 10 yr. old grandson in a Young Marines Color Guard, and I remember what's worth fighting for.
Sharon
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 01:03 ET by BlondeAstute observation.
Cactus are wonderful garden objects. Of course, in Florida, we have the opportunity to garden with many plants other than succulents, but in the desert, cacti rule.
I hope he fails, too.
Had a cousin, went by "Junior"---
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 01:12 ET by matthewdeanwho grew up to spend a lot of time trying to water down threadplants.
My Pop called it right, even way back then.
Said, "That there Junior is the flower of the family; boys' a bloomin' idjut."
MD
Bloomin idjuts.....
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 01:13 ET by BlondeMatthew...is that kinda like a bloomin' onion?
I hope he fails, too.
If a bloomin' onion---
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 01:22 ET by matthewdeanwill cause your nose to wrinkle considerably, then there is a definite similarity to the idjut branch.
MD
Ah....I see
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 01:26 ET by BlondeBloomin' onions and idjits do critical thinking in the Olive Garden, then?
I hope he fails, too.
Yes, and we could definitely use---
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 02:00 ET by matthewdeana much, much higher plane of intellectual agility and acuity than we are presently receiving from either the Olive Garden occupant or the current resident in the edifice adjacent the Rose Garden.
Right-o.
MD
"There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."
Mark Twain (1835-1910)
Hey, Troll...
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 00:46 ET by timrfrench61"Dawn take you all, and be stone to you"!
a link for you
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 01:40 ET by michiganruthhey--you know those "death panels" you don't believe existed, because Palin's like so, you know, stupid, like all conservatives?
here's an article about the Democrats taking that provision out of the healthcare bill after Palin raised a fuss about it. now tell me...how could they take out what wasn't in there in the first place? I know you guys think you elected the messiah, but that's a pretty neat trick even for The One.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/13/breaking-finance-committee-drops-d...
Good write!!
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 13:52 ET by kengieIt seems to me that all those ditto heads think like the little old lady calling Obama a muslum, are short on common sense. The bigger issue is acceptance of an intelligent black man for president.
The bigger issue is
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 14:28 ET by Dan The Man 2The bigger issue is acceptance of an intelligent black man for president
I agree but Alan Keyes did not run so we got the stupid one to run. Two stupid ones, one each for the Dems and the GOP sorta like Dumb and Dumber; Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum was hard to tell teh two apart during teh campaign.
Obama calls himself....
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 15:16 ET by Blondea Muslim.
Does that mean you think he's short on common sense?
As for the rest of your (as usual) bizarro post.....I'd be happy to accept an intelligent black man for president....this one would make me over-the moon happy.....sadly Obama does not meet my criteria for intelligent, no liberal does.
I hope he fails, too.
~We'll accept one
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 15:18 ET by choselife4xWhen we get one.
"my solution is to destroy children"--mamabear's cure for poverty 12/08/09
Ha ha, cl3x
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 15:21 ET by BlondeGMTA....see above.
Kengie is trolling.
I am having a hard time getting my lighted reindeer to properly move their heads....do you think WD40 might help?
I hope he fails, too.
~If that doesn't work
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 15:27 ET by choselife4xA 'liberal' application of troll should do it, they're quite greasy.
Oh, and shake well before applying.
"my solution is to destroy children"--mamabear's cure for poverty 12/08/09
Troll grease
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 15:31 ET by BlondeYes, I am in need of some, I think.
I am in quite the foul mood after that stealth vote last night....so kicking a couple of trolls might be exactly what the doctor ordered, so to speak.
I hope he fails, too.
Ho Ho Ho
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 16:36 ET by kengieHey Blondie...You bettcha!! **wink wink**
Just palin around with idiot ~ Blondie
Yo, troll
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 16:51 ET by BlondeOnly my friends may call me Blondie, and you are no fried of mine.
Your trolling is pathetic, truly. You don't even make any sense.
I hope he fails, too.
Hey Blondy
Tue, 12/22/2009 - 16:08 ET by kengieI make no sense???? HA...."and you are no fried of mine."
Its called S P E L L check.. It's all good blondy!
I think it's time the admins gave us NBers a Christmas present
Tue, 12/22/2009 - 16:12 ET by R D Helm...and blew this idiot troll straight to Troll Hell.
Perhaps it could learn some manners along the way.
-Dave
→ Motion is seconded
Tue, 12/22/2009 - 16:16 ET by Cool ArrowHaving never contributed anything of value to the conversation, kengie should go.
Always violence..
Tue, 12/22/2009 - 16:18 ET by kengieYup..that's GOP's answer to everything....
GOP..the party of McVeigh
→ Sorry kengie
Tue, 12/22/2009 - 16:22 ET by Cool ArrowBut your comments don't add to the discussion.
Even now, you have conservatives confused with republicans. You're having trouble coming to grips with the vernacular.
Watch this Cool Arrow
Tue, 12/22/2009 - 16:26 ET by SharonMcPHey kengie!
KKK, the party of Byrd.
On those days I feel like giving up and waving a white flag, I look at the picture of my 10 yr. old grandson in a Young Marines Color Guard, and I remember what's worth fighting for.
Violence? Who said anything about violence?
Tue, 12/22/2009 - 16:25 ET by R D HelmBanning a troll only requires a mere mouse click.
Nothing violent about that.
-Dave
Of course we could just
Tue, 12/22/2009 - 21:57 ET by Dan The Man 2Of course we could just ignore the troll.
Well of course the term
Tue, 12/22/2009 - 22:07 ET by Radical1979Well of course the term "death panels" won't be used. But even in the new senate bill there will be committees deciding who gets which services. Do you really think we can afford to give everyone every possible treatment? Have you never heard Robert Reich's comment?
As far as reading, the dems won't let us read the bill.
Wolves in sheep's clothing?
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 01:39 ET by metaphorsbwithuIt's funny how when a conservative uses metaphor, hyperbole, and sarcasm to make a valid point, liberals attack them because their words are not precisely accurate.
When a liberal purposely misleads and obfuscates with disinformation, misinformation, or by simply saying something that isn't true, their critics are said not to understand nuance.
I'd say these people are wolves in sheep's clothing, but they'd probably accuse me of lying since they are not canine and only occasionally wear wool.
metaphorsbwithu
metaphorsbwithu, I'd say they wear wool every day
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 01:43 ET by SharonMcPand it's pulled over their eyes.
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On those days I feel like giving up and waving a white flag, I look at the picture of my 10 yr. old grandson in a Young Marines Color Guard, and I remember what's worth fighting for.
Palin didn't lie
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 01:38 ET by FranklinRWe already have death panels and it hasn't been made into a law yet.
I have a friend that would be dead now if Obamacare's guidelines were in place last year. She had a routine mamogram at 46 and found cancer. Got it in time and she's in remission.
No routine mamograms till 50? She'd be dead.
Redistribution of Life Panels
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 01:41 ET by metaphorsbwithuThey're actually going to be called "redistribution of life" panels.
metaphorsbwithu
Curbing Excessive End-of-Life Care Is Good for America
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 15:22 ET by SharonMcPFrom a September 29, 2009 article at The American Spectator:
You may also want to watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CHBvKGmevI - if you must, overlook who is delivering the message, but listen VERY closely to the words of the message.
"Yes. You know, it's going to be interesting...
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 02:08 ET by OxyCon...to see what people think about that."
Well Mrs. Nguyen...if you really want to know "what people think about that", just take a good look at your crappy ratings. CNN sucks and no one is watching it any more as it circles the drain right behind Newsweak and the Washington Post.
Merry Christmas! Let's
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 10:46 ET by jessieHMerry Christmas! Let's talk about lies. Pelosi: "the CIA lied to me". Frank: 'There is nothing wrong with Fannie May & Freddy Mack". I could go on, but the point is made.
Get real ....
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 12:21 ET by kengie" If President Obama or any Democrat had actually won the dubious honor of committing PolitiFact's "Lie of the Year," do you think CNN would have reported it?"
If Sarah Palin looked like Janet Reno would we even be having this issue??
→ kengie
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 13:56 ET by Cool ArrowYou tell me.
Stephen King looks like Janet Reno and it hasn't seemed to cut into his book sales.
When Sarah Palin points a gun, it's likely at some soon-to-be food. Janet Reno likes to see guns pointed at defenseless children.
Ahhhh.....Ms Arrow
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 16:06 ET by kengie....but Stephen King has brains!!! and Sarah see's Russia from her dancing pole.
→ kengie
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 16:11 ET by Cool ArrowI really can't do anything about your tendency to objectify women.
I'd suggest you consider at least half of the Democrat Party are women, but obviously they're fine with being relegated the role of "pole dancer".
King's brain hasn't been in
Tue, 12/22/2009 - 22:11 ET by Radical1979King's brain hasn't been in use for many years now kengie. And I'd love to see you make those comments about Palin in front of Todd...
You're treading on thin ice kengie
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 17:39 ET by SharonMcPIn the few short months I've been reading NB, I've seen enough to know that your comments to Blonde and Cool Arrow are putting you on dangerously thin ice.
And there's not a damn thing Al Gore can do to save you.
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On those days I feel like giving up and waving a white flag, I look at the picture of my 10 yr. old grandson in a Young Marines Color Guard, and I remember what's worth fighting for.
SharonMcP
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 17:46 ET by MrShyAnd there's not a damn thing Al Gore can do to save you.
Hahaha.... :)
And I just.......
Tue, 12/22/2009 - 15:09 ET by kengieLUV IT!!! whatever that means..HA!
kengie, at first I thought you were just being a smart-ass
Tue, 12/22/2009 - 15:44 ET by SharonMcPBut you've just proven that you really are dumber than a box of rocks.
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On those days I feel like giving up and waving a white flag, I look at the picture of my 10 yr. old grandson in a Young Marines Color Guard, and I remember what's worth fighting for.
Pants (Mom Jeans) On Fire
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 13:51 ET by miss911ninjaMy vote for Lie of the Year goes to Obamao.
This is what he said at a town hall meeting in August 2009: "I have not said that I was a single payer supporter."
Here's what he said at an AFL-CIO Conference in June 2003: "I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care plan"....."that's what I'd like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately, because first we've got to take back The White House, and we've got to take back the Senate....."
Awesome. Now if only Prof. Enak would chime in this thread,
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 14:03 ET by SickofLibsit would be another "The Perfect Storm."
"CO2 is a dangerous gas, if you don't believe go sit in your running vehicle in the garage for a couple of hours." – Poindexter Q. Enak, PhD, 12-16-09
HAW!
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 18:51 ET by DoktorFrankenOh, Mon, I could just Di.
Sarah Palin: The Most Dangerous Conservative In America