Nobel Laureate Al Gore Wednesday called former Alaska governor Sarah Palin a "global warming denier."
Speaking with MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell, Gore also repeated his false claim about ClimateGate e-mail messages obtained from Britain's Climatic Research Unit: "the most recent one is like ten years ago."
As Andrew Bolt reported Wednesday at Australia's Herald Sun, the most recent e-mail message obtained from CRU was sent less than a month ago on November 12.
Unfortunately, much like his appearance on CNN earlier in the day, Gore was playing fast and loose with the facts.
Sadly, his MSNBC interviewer was similarly disinterested in challenging the former Vice President about his mistatements, and also never once asked him about his own financial interests in this matter (video embedded below the fold with partial transcript):
ANDREA MITCHELL, MSNBC: Earlier this morning I sat down with former Vice President Al Gore to talk about climate change, his new book, "Our Choice," and Sarah Palin. Today, in an op-ed in the Washington Post, Palin is escalating her attack on the Copenhagen Summit. Palin calls it junk science, and writes that "The agenda-driven policies being pushed in Copenhagen won't change the weather, but they would change our economy for the worse." I asked Al Gore to respond.
AL GORE: The global warming deniers persist in this era of unreality. After all, the entire North Polar ice cap, which has been there for most of the last 3 million years, is disappearing before our eyes. 40 percent's already gone. The rest is expected to go completely within the next decade. What do they think is causing this? The mountain glaciers in every region of the world are melting, many of them at an accelerated rate, threatening drinking supplies, drinking water supplies, and agricultural water supplies. We have these record storms, droughts, floods, fires, and tree deaths in the American west. Climate refugees beginning now, expected to rise to the hundreds of millions unless we take action. These effects are taking place all over the world exactly as predicted by the scientists who have warned for years that if we continue putting 90 million tons of global warming pollution into the atmosphere every day, the accumulation is going to trap lots more heat, raise temperatures, and cause all of these consequences that are already beginning.
MITCHELL: Well, one of the things that she has written recently on Facebook is that this is "Doomsday scare tactics, pushed by an environmental priesthood that makes the public feel like owning an SUV is a sin against the planet."
GORE: Well, the scientific community has worked very intensively for 20 years within this international process and they now say the evidence is unequivocal. 150 years ago this year was the discovery that CO2 traps heat. That is a principle in physics. It is not a question of debate. It is like gravity. It exists.
MITCHELL: If it is so unequivocal, I've got to ask you about the leaks of those e-mails. Even today Tom Friedman talks about them massaging the evidence. Why would they feel the need to hype the evidence if it is so unequivocal? Some scientists, I should say.
Gore: Yeah, I don't think they did. I haven't read all of the e-mails that were stolen there from -- the most recent one is like ten years ago. And what they have done is they have snatched a few phrases completely out of context. I will give you an example. One of the off-quoted phrases has to do with the scientists saying that a particular study isn't good science and shouldn't be included in the international report. Well, that was their view. They exchanged it privately. The study was included, fully aired, discussed, the weak points were analyzed. What -- the other points were analyzed. So it is an example of how these private exchanges had been blown out of proportion, taken out of context, and misrepresented.
MITCHELL: At the same time, there is an economic impact. It is harder to persuade a lot of people, lot of Americans, unemployed, facing the effects of this recession, that the up-front costs of doing something about global warming are worth it. No doubt that there are, you know, overwhelming economic benefits down the road. But how do you persuade people in the middle of a recession that this should be their immediate priority?
GORE: Well, for one thing, when the world went into the recession, interest rates were already so low that the only economic policy tools that governments had to try to stimulate the economy was to have stimulus spending. And the need to build new infrastructure to accommodate the shift away from imported oil on which we have a growing dangerous dependence pushed many countries including the U.S. to devote a substantial part of that stimulus to a green stimulus. Now we have the opportunity to create millions of good new jobs in making this transition. Just the retrofitting of homes, with better windows and lighting and insulation to save money on their energy bills and put millions of people to work in local communities in jobs that cannot be outsourced. Building the smart grids, building the solar, wind, geothermal renewable energy systems, planting trees. These are all job creators that help to stimulate the economy and produce sustainable growth.
MITCHELL: Even if they are net job creators nationally, there are going to be areas in the Rust Belt, Michigan let's say, where there is a net loss from the effects of doing something, of making a commitment and of spending billions of dollars to help poor countries adjust, the commitments that are being expected of the President and of the United States government at Copenhagen.
GORE: Well, I think the losses of jobs started a long time ago with the outsourcing to other countries for a variety of reasons, including the cheaper labor costs. It is not -- not because of the response to global warming. The response to global warming can bring jobs back. I will give you an example. There's this company called Cardinal Fasteners in Ohio that is very proud to have made the bolts for the Golden Gate bridge and the Statue of Liberty. And they had some hard times. Now they are -- hiring people back, making bolts for windmills, and these wind farm insulations. The governor of Michigan, Governor Granholm, is one of the most vigorous advocates of bringing jobs back into some of these Rust Belt areas that were hard hit years ago, but now see the hope for a renaissance, putting people to work building these new renewable energy insulations.
Stop the tape. Here's another instance of Gore playing fast and loose with the facts.
On January 29, Cleveland.com reported:
Cardinal Fastener & Specialty Co., the Bedford Heights bolt company that President Barack Obama spotlighted days before his inauguration as an example of a manufacturer able to grow by supplying parts to the wind turbine industry, has laid off about eight of its 65 workers. The layoffs came just two weeks after the company was able to hire two workers to help with expanding orders. President John Grabner said he cut 12 percent of the work force because orders have decreased significantly for the industrial products that still account for 80 percent of his business - bolts for bridges, large buildings and heavy-equipment makers like Caterpillar. "The wind business is good, but they have slowed down also," he said.
A LexisNexis search identified no reports of Cardinal Fasteners hiring people since this layoff, although it did identify Gore making this same claim on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" over a month ago:
There's one example in Ohio, a company called Cardinal Fasteners. They're proud they made the bolts for the Golden Gate Bridge and for the Statue of Liberty. And they went through some tough times. Now they're hiring people back to make bolts for windmills. And we're seeing these jobs.
But I digress:
MITCHELL: As you know in "Our choice," there is a real partisan divide when it comes to people's attitudes. The Pew poll that you cite says 75 percent of college educated Democrats believe humans are responsible. Only 19 percent of college-educated Republicans. How do you figure that?
GORE: It may be partly because the tendency for many people to follow their perceived political leaders and the leadership of the modern Republican Party has really gotten into a global warming denier posture that I think has influenced some people. But it should not be a political issue. It really is a moral issue. It speaks to the responsibility of the present generation to take steps to safeguard those generations yet to come. Because this has now reached the level where if we were not to act, the consequences already beginning at a low level are predicted to reach catastrophic levels unless we take steps to prevent it from happening.
MITCHELL: There's been, according to the Pew Research, a 20% drop in the number of people in the last year. Since 2008, 71% believed that humans contributed to global warming and now it is only 51%. Do you attribute to that to the economic hard times and people focusing inward?
GORE: Well, I think that result dove tails with the first one that you cited because when you look inside that study, virtually 100% of those who changed their opinion were conservative Republicans.
Stop the tape! Once again, Gore was playing fast and loose with the facts. Here's what Pew reported on October 22:
The decline in the belief in solid evidence of global warming has come across the political spectrum, but has been particularly pronounced among independents. Just 53% of independents now see solid evidence of global warming, compared with 75% who did so in April 2008. Republicans, who already were highly skeptical of the evidence of global warming, have become even more so: just 35% of Republicans now see solid evidence of rising global temperatures, down from 49% in 2008 and 62% in 2007. Fewer Democrats also express this view - 75% today compared with 83% last year.
Honestly, how does Gore get away with making stuff up like this? But again, I digress:
GORE: And the -- this should be a bipartisan issue. It used to be. And the -- the extreme partisanship we have seen in recent years, I think has affected the way our country has responded to this. Now, beneath the surface, there have been a lot of Republicans, a lot of people that used to be skeptics actually moving towards an acceptance of this science and a determination to do something about it. Lindsey Graham, for example, from South Carolina, is one of those Republicans in the Senate who is now saying look, the evidence tells us we have really got to take action. A lot of -- in the faith based community. A lot of fundamentalist groups are now saying, you know, the earth is the Lord's and fullness thereof and we have an obligation to be good stewards of the planet. And -- so -- I see signs of optimism and hope, even though in an economic recession, naturally when you ask people to list their priorities, they are going to place a higher priority on the immediate economic situation. [...]
Later, Mitchell asked an astoundingly preposterous question for a so-called journalist:
MITCHELL: In "Our Choice," you cite some interesting psychological data. What is it about the way we think that makes it so difficult for people, for many people, obviously not everyone, to accept the facts as you see them?
What is it about the way we think that makes it so difficult for people, for many people, obviously not everyone, to accept the facts as you see them?
Maybe, Andrea, it's because WE are capable of thinking for ourselves and questioning whether what people are telling us is indeed how they see things and NOT facts.
One would think a journalist would know that.
Of course, one would also expect someone in the news industry to ask Gore about his financial interests in global warming.
Alas, Mitchell never did.
Nice job, Andrea.
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there was a reason
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 16:59 ET by jacktheripperthat there was no follow up question....IT WAS ANDREA MITCHELL
Proud HillBilly from NNY
Huh-Uh...
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 17:09 ET by unkeeafSad to say, it's not news, it's propaganda. With that being said, the idea is to make those on your side look good.
Happy to say, that's impossible with Gore.
Obama Jobs Czar offering career advice:
http://bit.ly/5vkjvb
Infidel
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 18:06 ET by allanfIs the term "Denier" in Gore's religion similar to the word "infidiel"
Yeah,
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 19:29 ET by Indiana JoePretty much, I'd say.
"Four legs good... two legs better!" - George Orwell
Oh nooooo!
Thu, 12/10/2009 - 12:47 ET by Patriot III never thought I would hear a truthful word come out of the bottom feeding scumsuckers mouth!! But there it is...Palin is too smart to buy this yoyo's con job!!! I noticed 17 people just died in the global warming snow storm hitting the US Gore................bite it!!!!
Al Gore.....
Thu, 12/10/2009 - 04:34 ET by pantrymanThe great American gonif
Remember in November 2010
Fat boy, how about sitting down with O'Reilly?
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 17:02 ET by TomoramaYou really didn't expect them to "challenge" their hero did you?
Does Mitchell sound eerily like Babs Walters?
I bet the fusion of his knife and fork each meal has a lot to do with "Global warming" or "Climate change".
A great man once said, YOU only get out of life what YOU put into it, he obviously wasn't a liberal.
I want to declare my self as
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 17:17 ET by USA4freedomI want to declare my self as a Global Warming Denier before anyone else does!!
Except.. for the "Several Millions of degrees" of hot air that Al Gore blows out of his A$$.
Like that is some kind of insult to called.. a global warming denier!
Maybe we should call him a "global truth denier"
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
How about just "global
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 19:30 ET by Indiana JoeHow about just "global warming liar?"
"Four legs good... two legs better!" - George Orwell
Gore Is In Denial
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 17:11 ET by DaMamaGore is the one who is in denial. Global warming is his religion. He worships the earth, and everything fact about the myth and lies of global warming will not change his mind. He is like a cult leader who is rallying everyone to his cause. People are following after him like lemmings, jumping off the cliff for a lie.
It's really sad when people listen to people like Gore and submit to everything he says as if it were gospel. Why would anyone believe Al Gore when his own home uses 3 times the energy of an average person, and who jets across the globe to spread his false message? He is a walking, talking hypocrite.
"He is a walking, talking hypocrite."
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 19:32 ET by Indiana JoeWe have a word for that now.
We call them "liberals."
"Four legs good... two legs better!" - George Orwell
walking, talking hypocrites
Thu, 12/10/2009 - 02:18 ET by konoIn fairness, no political ideology has a corner on the hypocrisy market, nor is any political ideology immune to its grasp.
That said, Liberals seem to have raised hypocrisy to a fine art, and it's practically a Sacrament among the inner circle of Warmers.
I guess
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 17:12 ET by 10ksnookerI would rather be called a denier than a liar.
HE LIED!! HE PLAYED ON OUR
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 17:14 ET by HockeyKidHE LIED!! HE PLAYED ON OUR FEARS!!
'nuff said.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
And . . .
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 17:18 ET by DoktorFrankenHe frightened and damaged the psyche of 2 generations of American children - all to enrich himself. There's a real ManBearPig for you.
Sarah Palin: The Most Dangerous Conservative In America
Hey Dok,
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 19:35 ET by Indiana JoeWould you believe a forward base in Afghanistan is called ManBearPig? No lie, I read an article in National Review. The reporter didn't even seem to get the reference, he just reported on how the troops lived, and never mentioned it.
I thought that was hilarious.
"Four legs good... two legs better!" - George Orwell
Joe
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 19:45 ET by DoktorFrankenThat's cereally funny! It's probably named that because the base is comprised of one half Marines, one half Army, and one half National Guard.
Sarah Palin: The Most Dangerous Conservative In America
With science grades like this and NO college math...
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 17:16 ET by jazbohttp://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A37397-2000Mar18
he wants us to believe him?
Not bloody likely.
"Democrats; Breeding voters like farm animals since 1962"
ManBearPig
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 17:16 ET by DoktorFrankenI think that South Park nailed this ignorant bastid better than most.
ManBearPig
I'm super cereal!!
Sarah Palin: The Most Dangerous Conservative In America
Sarah Palin calls Al Gore a
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 17:19 ET by MrShySarah Palin calls Al Gore a despicable, corrupt, money-embezzling-ambitious, fat, opportunist fraud.
Or I wish she would.
Al's a truth denier.
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 17:21 ET by mattmAl's a truth denier.
Paraphrase
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 17:22 ET by jdlybrandTo paraphrase David Geffen when discussing the Clintons..."Its not that he lies that bothers me so much; it's the ease with which he lies".
"What a revoltin' development this is!"
Chester Riley
Algore
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 17:34 ET by BeanManIs there a more unctious gasbag on the planet than Algore? Indeed in the Solar System...the Galaxy...the Universe?
I don't think so. This man is so removed from reality it is scary. If he actually agreed to debate someone on this it wouldn't matter if the other person unequivicably proved everything Algore said was utter junk, lies, and nonsense in front of 100 million people and left no room for doubt that Algore was utterly wrong. Algore would calmly insist that he had successfully made all of his points and that AGW was indeed proven fact. It just wouldn't make any difference. As I said, it's scary!
Another almost equally as scary is the fact that so many people take this deluded megalomaniac seriously.
Since government is coercion, politics is largely the exercise of deception regarding the intended use of coercion - George Orwell
"This man is so removed from reality it is scary."
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 19:39 ET by Indiana JoeDude, you have to watch the "ManBearPig" episode of South Park. Proves your point perfectly.
I'm super serial.
"Four legs good... two legs better!" - George Orwell
Sarah!
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 17:39 ET by iveseenitallSarah! Sarah! Sarah!
For the first time in many years, I'm proud of a Republican! (other than Bush and Cheney )
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Very funny video from Minnesotans For Global Warming ...
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 17:34 ET by Jayke... Ridicule is a powerful weapon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpQXY4tWaoI
Good work M4GW!
Is deniar like Infidel?
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 17:35 ET by szampIs this the same as as being called an infidel? This global warming thing is a religion, not a science.
so far, I'm a huge infidel.
It would be easier to believe them if they had made available all that data that mysteriously disappeared to everybody so things could be checked.
It would be easier to believe them if they were not presenting predictions as evidence of something.
ok Al
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 17:38 ET by cajun2Lets do "name calling". Years ago, men who engaged in nefarious deals were called "flim flam" men. Times changed, then we called them "con men". Then we called them "lobbyist". But whatever you are "named", you seem to belong to the "oldest" profession.
GO SARAH.
The debate is over!
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 17:45 ET by George S PattonThe debate is over! Algore is a MORON!
You could go back and look
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 18:11 ET by bse5150You could go back and look at speech after speech from Gore - even many of his interviews, perhaps all of them. He lies EVERY TIME HE SPEAKS. It's unreal!
Platitudes
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 17:43 ET by rammingspeedPlatitudes. Every claim Al Gore makes is meaningless until he shows us the money, as it were. His general claim that scientists - he says it in a way that implies all scientists - agree about the shrinking glaciers and snow on the mountaintops and what have you is not backed up with facts. He's on the ropes with skeptics who demand that he speak in open forums and bring his "facts" with him, and he refuses. Yet he still has the audacity to push his flaky agenda. The man is an inveterate liar.
Every time I see that guy,
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 17:50 ET by buddycEvery time I see that guy, I thank god he was not elected.
Democrats have a wonderful way of making an argument. They say something that is most likely true and supported by the facts like "temperatures" have been rising. They get the press to give it name, like here "global warming" and then they insert their argument, without a great deal of facts, into what global warming means. Here they claim global warming means not just increased temperatures which is probably true but rising sea levels and that man is the cause which are still not proven.
So someone who says man is not the cause is immediately branded with the "global warming denier" when in fact that person, like Palin might believe there is either global or regional warming but are not prepared to accept the claim that man is the cause. They after insulting their opponents they go back to "no one disputes that the temepratures are rising".
They use this same type of reasoning with "WMD's" in Iraq, the "Bush lied" allegations and the "we missed OBL at Tora Bora becuase all our troops were in Iraq".
It works when you have people like Andreaaaaaaaaaaaa Mitchell reporting the "news" and asking the questions.
Except, if he won, we would
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 17:53 ET by Conservative VoiceExcept, if he won, we would of never had Obama...and Gore just isn't as smart as Obama.
Oops!
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 17:51 ET by ParagrouperI meant to say the oldest email was ten years old...wait!
P.S. Where did you get that picture? It reminds me of the time I ate far too much cheese. Somebody ought to mention to Al that his thumb is not an appropriate tool to clear that kind of blockage.
"Beware the fury of the patient man." - John Dryden
:-o
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 22:17 ET by jdlybrandNot a good visual!
"What a revoltin' development this is!"
Chester Riley
global warming - climate change
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 18:03 ET by philipjamesIts amazing how the words get twisted around into a pretzel... sometimes I think the talking heads and commentators do not have a clue what they are talking about - otherwise they would ask more intelligent questions.... or is that asking too much? please don't tell me they are that stupid.
global warming.... is in dispute... and still not settled until an UNBIASED study is done with the real numbers.
there is climate change... everyone agrees with that...
the big argument is what causes climate change...
on one side we have the Gore green money people who say humans are responsible for carbon which causes global warming and we need to tax/charge/punish humans for that
on the other side are those who say that the earth warms and cools in long cycles naturally with the sun having a strong effect on those cycles and that humans are responsible for only a miniscule effect and therefore we should not tax/charge/punish humans for that
Why Thank You
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 18:38 ET by BW222I get the feeling Sarah Palin would say the same thing she said when she was called a redneck woman - "Why, thnak you."
Just as she did with death panels, Sarah Palin is raising the American consciousness about the global warming hoax as no other conservative can. Two questions:
1. Where is the rest of the GOP?
2. Why even bother to hold Republican Presidential primaries in 2012?
BW222
Republicans? "You
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 22:17 ET by danboRepublicans?
"You lie!" Rep. Joe Wilson R-(SC)
Where is the rest of the
Thu, 12/10/2009 - 04:23 ET by R D HelmWhere is the rest of the GOP?
Tits-up dead, as far as I can tell.
-Dave
Either impeach Obama, or prepare to watch your country die. It's your choice, America.
I think that there are three
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 18:42 ET by ForeverOnTheRightI think that there are three reasons for name calling, lack of respect, frustration or the other person is a threat. Or a combination of one or more of the above. Gore's reasons are most likely that she is a threat and he finds it frustrating that his fiancial empire is being threatened by a woman. (He is probably a sexist after all and a woman should not be able to out wit him.)
Mitchell challenge
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 18:45 ET by chessplayerMitchell challenge ManBearPig? Come, now.
O... M... G...
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 19:42 ET by Indiana JoeLord, I could go on and on and on about what's wrong with what this idiot says. Those who know me KNOW this is true.
Instead I'll just get some more duct tape.
AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
"Four legs good... two legs better!" - George Orwell
Big Al
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 20:12 ET by Big MommaHey, BIG Al, How about becoming a denier at dinner....maybe
lunch, too. I'm afraid someday you're just going to explode.......
"Look Ma.....I'm King of the World!" B. H. Obama
It's da sun mon
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 20:45 ET by kangarooOk, with half a brain tied behind my back, I will let you Dems in on a little secret,
Go outside, look up, see that big orange ball blazing in the sky, (the sun if you can't get a clue) OK yellow if you want to nit pik, that is what rules the weather on this earth, savy, geeze louise
And like I have said before... go plant a tree, it is more important now more than ever since Co2 has been declared a poisonous gas?? We breath out the plants breath in. they breath out we breath in. How simple and true that science is crikey's
PS Dems it is night time here in the east usa, so you will have to wait until sunrise, you do know when that is right
PSS That is when the you can see the sun
Rules for Radicals
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 21:11 ET by ghblogWe need to start using their tactics...
Al Gore and his business partners in the "scientific" community are NATURAL CLIMATE CHANGE DENIERS.
Selective Ethics
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 21:33 ET by tcm14Gore: "But it should not be a political issue. It really is a moral issue. It speaks to the responsibility of the present generation to take steps to safeguard those generations yet to come."
But this principle only applies to fantasy problems, not real ones like the deficit.
Al The Infidel.
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 21:46 ET by CrashWrong Al! Like THE MAJORITY of scientists and learned pigs we believe in "warming" and "cooling". What we don't believe in is Anthropogenic Global Warming based on false witness and computer modeling (redundant I know).
ManBearPig never goes away!
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 21:56 ET by jon_torlinAnyone know where I can get a T-Shirt that says "proud to be a Global Warming Denier" or something that shows the pie chart of the composition of the air with CO2 highlighted?
I'd get in trouble if I wore it at work, it'd be considered political, except for the pie chart because it's the truth.
But I'd wear it to the store or some place where I know liberals hang out. >:-)
-Jon
I like
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 22:48 ET by general companyThis one , more here
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Oh YEAH!
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 22:55 ET by jon_torlinDude, that's great! Thanks!
I got a few friends who would love to get shirts like these!
Ain't capitalism wonderful?
-Jon
→ Glomming Warbler
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 22:15 ET by Cool ArrowI saw Al Gore on CNN this morning telling some reporter the lies about those emails being more than ten years old.
I thought to myself:
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
MANBEARPIG desires to
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 23:11 ET by nadadhimmiMANBEARPIG desires to regulate ALL human activity, and to tax humas for exhaling co2. Yes my friends, tax you for breathing. This has reached the point of precipitating a forceful public protest and , just possibly, a popular uprising against the regime.
But.....Al!
Thu, 12/10/2009 - 00:17 ET by John WIBut...Al! You're FULL OF SHIT!
Sarah isn't!
I wish most WI was like you : ) Unfortunately, that is where I
Thu, 12/10/2009 - 13:45 ET by pahuberseem to rack up all of my speeding tickets.
Look over west right next door... waving...
BTW... most eloquent indeed : )
Lies. Al Gore lies.
Thu, 12/10/2009 - 01:38 ET by JWFIt does not trap heat. It just converts the radiation from the earth. Guess what else does the same thing. Come on. Try. H2O. Yes. Water Vapor. humidity. Clouds. How come no one is trying to ban or reduce that?
The atmosphere itself traps heat. This is normally a very good thing. There is no atmosphere on the moon. A body very very very close in the distance to the sun as the earth. 100% of the sun's energy is radiated back to space there. Maybe the AGW crowd could set that as a goal.
"It just converts the
Thu, 12/10/2009 - 10:28 ET by troglodyt"It just converts the radiation from the earth". That is wrong. The conversion is not caused by carbon dioxide but by the earth itself. Carbon dioxide absorbs certain IR radiation and is thereby trapping the energy and thus the heat.
Stupid smacks little "t' in the skull again. Ouch.
Thu, 12/10/2009 - 12:53 ET by JWFOh please please please please for the love of all the vibrates on low settings please please tell us -
What happens once the Carbon dioxide absorbs certain IR radiation ? Does it just roam around burning all that touches it? tzzzzzzzz. Ouch, that CO2 molecule is hot hot hot.
Come on braintrust. Tell us. Tell us all what happens after the CO2 molecules are trapping the energy and thus the heat.
Tell us braintrust. The energy is trapped thus all the heat. How come we don't get burned by the little hot CO2 molecules every time we go for a walk?
Please oh please tell us.
Idiot.
Golly you sure did troll on my butt and make a fool outa me, huh?
How convenient of you to
Fri, 12/11/2009 - 08:02 ET by troglodytHow convenient of you to misread me. A simple question: Would the temperatures of earth be as high without carbon dioxide?
Quick Mr. Science. What day would be about 35 weeks ago?
Fri, 12/11/2009 - 08:18 ET by JWFWhat troll was super hostile to the military?
What troll would always come in posting around 6:00 AM?
What troll would spam up threads even after he got pwned?
What troll proved too immature to interact with adults?
What troll used the ip address on 172.16.238.0 network?
What troll is currently coming in on the 172.16.238.0 network?
Why it is wiliams411. That is who. New name. Same management.
who is williams411 anyway.
Fri, 12/11/2009 - 08:29 ET by troglodytwho is williams411 anyway. You guessed wrong and didn't even answer my question: Yes of course it would be colder and that's why it is semantically correct to say that CO2 traps heat. period.
I am done with you troll.
Fri, 12/11/2009 - 09:14 ET by JWFYou cannot interact with adults. I made a statement. You could then request I back it up or prove it is wrong.
You do not say I was wrong and then proceed to say something completely wrong and asinine.
That is not the way adults interact. You got that little boy?
Despite your utter failure. I still backed up my statement.
We are not here to play your childish troll games.
You say I am wrong after I provide 2 sources. PROVE IT. PROVE I AM WRONG.
Otherwise you are just a lying little boy.
One again the little boy gets spanked and wanders off.
Fri, 12/11/2009 - 10:23 ET by JWFYou gonna prove me wrong or not little boy?
You'd ignore it anyway and
Tue, 12/15/2009 - 09:54 ET by troglodytYou'd ignore it anyway and call me an "utter failure". As you like it simple you'd probably leave away the "utter".
I forgot to ask: There was
Fri, 12/11/2009 - 19:46 ET by troglodytI forgot to ask: There was really someone else named williams411 who posted from this IP address?
That is not the way adults
Fri, 12/11/2009 - 22:36 ET by JWFThat is not the way adults interact. You got that little boy?
Despite your utter failure. I still backed up my statement.
We are not here to play your childish troll games.
You say I am wrong after I provide 2 sources. PROVE IT. PROVE I AM WRONG.
Otherwise you are just a lying little boy.
I am simply here to counter
Mon, 12/14/2009 - 08:40 ET by troglodytI am simply here to counter your lies. Oh dear. I did not even click on your link.
Whatever floats your boat little boy.
Mon, 12/14/2009 - 22:32 ET by JWFGlobal Warming is floundering on a sea of lies. Your idea of helping the cause is to come here and lie, harass, lie, and play games instead of presenting your case.
You fail to help the cause. You fail to make your point. You fail to rouse anger in your opponents. You fail. Period.
And you wonder why nothing you actually support seems to go your way. But then everything you support is based on a lie. So, wow, fail. fail. fail.
I have an idea. Your miserable excuse of a life. You can't hold on to a job. You can't have a relationship with women. You can't, ah let's list the things you can do right.... Nope. Your miserable excuse for a life. I have an idea. Blame it on the conservatives. It has to be them. Let's go harass them because it is all their fault.
Yea. You failed at that too. How does that feel? You can't even manage to tick off the stupid conservatives that made you such a failure.
"You can't even manage to
Tue, 12/15/2009 - 09:37 ET by troglodyt"You can't even manage to tick off the stupid conservatives that made you such a failure."
Me thinks you flatter yourself to much in both regards.Your post proves it. Do you get that personal with everybody you disagree with?
Can someone call 911.
Thu, 12/10/2009 - 13:04 ET by JWFI went outside to take the dog for a walk and accidentally walked into one of those super hot CO2 molecules that absorbs the certain IR radiation and trapped the energies and all the heats and never never lets it go.
Got a question fr the one man braintrust.
Thu, 12/10/2009 - 13:11 ET by JWFH20 in the air is a greenhouse gas too. Does it absorb all the radiation and trap the energy and thus the heat too and never never never let it go like CO2?
If so, where is all the steam? I got some suits that need pressing.
Say, methane is a greenhouse gas, do the cow farts turn red hot too? Like a poker? tssssssssst. Ow, just got burned by a cow fart.
Yea. I am wrong. Oh wait....
Thu, 12/10/2009 - 13:29 ET by JWFNo No NO. little "t" said I was wrong. The visible light is absorbed by the earth and then radiates out? There must be a shorter way to say that "It just converts the radiation from the earth."
The CO2 molecule completely uses up the extra energy of the photon by vibrating more. and later re-emits a lower energy (longer wavelength) photon. There must be an easier way to say that. "It just converts the radiation from the earth."
Hmm. Yea. I musta been wrong. I can see that now.
Idiot.
Oh little "t". Come back. Come back little "t"
Thu, 12/10/2009 - 13:57 ET by JWFYou forgot to tell us what happens to all the CO2 molecules that trap the heat and never let it go.
Can I make coffee with the super hot CO2 molecules? I want some coffee.
Come back little "t". You made me look so silly and now I want to be your pupil. Teach us little "t". Teach us about the trapped heat inside the little CO2 molecules.
Come back. I want some coffee.
You did it again, JWF... You know trolls hate the sunlight... we
Thu, 12/10/2009 - 14:01 ET by pahubermay not see this one again 'till spring.
Dang it. I had some questions for him.
Thu, 12/10/2009 - 14:19 ET by JWFIf the CO2 molecules trap the heat and never let it go. How do they make the dry ice?
Also, can I put my breathe which is full of CO2 in a mason jar. And then I put the mason jar out in the sun on my porch to trap all the heat from the sun. Can I store the mason jars in my basement and slowly open them up one by one during the winter and save on my heating bills?
Please little "t". Don't leave us hanging with all the questions.
No doubt, JWF... he is our garden variety DBT... he knew he was
Thu, 12/10/2009 - 15:15 ET by pahuberbusted.
Why do you call a mouse
Mon, 12/14/2009 - 08:32 ET by troglodytWhy do you call a mouse in a box trapped although it can still move?
You get quite touchy when
Fri, 12/11/2009 - 07:47 ET by troglodytYou get quite touchy when corrected.
My info comes from the encyclopaedia
Fri, 12/11/2009 - 08:22 ET by JWFWhere did you get yours williams411?
http://newsbusters.org/forums/internal-affairs/troll-alert-williams411-another-viscous-sticky-troll-29664
Would you care and elaborate
Fri, 12/11/2009 - 08:48 ET by troglodytWould you care and elaborate on how you came to think I'm someone I'm not?
Al Gore lies.
Thu, 12/10/2009 - 02:00 ET by JWFThe most recent one and most damaging one was from a few months ago. It speaks of the failure of the models to predict the current cooling trend.
From: Kevin Trenberth <trenbert@xxx>
To: Michael Mann <mann@xxx>
Subject: Re: BBC U-turn on climate
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:57:37 -0600
The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a
travesty that we can’t. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008
shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing
system is inadequate.
From: Tom Wigley <wigley@xxx>
To: Kevin Trenberth <trenbert@xxx>
Subject: Re: BBC U-turn on climate
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:09:35 -0600
I didn’t mean to offend you. But what you said was “we can’t account
for the lack of warming at the moment”. Now you say “we are no where
close to knowing where energy is going”.
More Al Gore Lies.
Thu, 12/10/2009 - 02:12 ET by JWFthe need to build new infrastructure to accommodate the shift away from imported oil...
Is it about warming or imported oil? You want to shift away from imported oil, let us drill here now.
the retrofitting of homes, with better windows and lighting and insulation to save money on their energy bills
But your corrupted cap & trade laws would far outstrip and savings from retrofitting. It would make any savings a pittance in comparison.
Is it about saving money or global warming? Liar.
the earth is the Lord's and fullness thereof and we have an obligation to be good stewards of the planet.
Is it about religion or is it about global warming? Liar.
Alberto global
Thu, 12/10/2009 - 02:56 ET by vcb-tnA.(lbert)G.(ore)(W.) hath thus stated:
"After all, the entire North Polar ice cap, which has been there for most of the last 3 million years, is disappearing before our eyes. 40 percent's already gone. The rest is expected to go completely within the next decade."
using simple logic, if 40% of the artic has already "disappeared", and there has been neglible (4mm?) sea level rise, what will the other 60% do? (0.6x4mm=2.4mm) when according to "alberto', all arctic is ice "gone" via a.g.w., no natural factors.? sounds like Greenland" could return to being "greenland". This a f*king scam for global socialism, wealth re-distribution (not thet we, the u.s., have any (wealth (anymore!)) to "bestow"). maybe Al can switch quickly to "comet" change. Now that would really cause global warming (but again, not man-made!). a heh, heh, heh.........!
vcb-tn
Y.A.A.G.L.
Thu, 12/10/2009 - 03:06 ET by JWFYet Another Al Gore Lie.
The mountain glaciers in every region of the world are melting, many of them at an accelerated rate
9 Jul 08 – An AP article today written by Samantha Young admits that all seven glaciers on California’s Mount Shasta are growing.
Glaciers on California's Mt. Shasta keep growing
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Fret not, comrade Gore, because soon ClimateGate will be...
Thu, 12/10/2009 - 03:59 ET by R D Helm...a distant memory, and therefore nothing more than a minor pothole along the road in the world's inexorable march to glorious global communism.
Patience, Al, patience, as you and your fellow global commies are but a mere two Senate votes away from collective orgasmic nirvana.
-Dave
Either impeach Obama, or prepare to watch your country die. It's your choice, America.
Gore is a "truth denier"
Thu, 12/10/2009 - 09:38 ET by spepperhe's at it again, I see-- Al Gore, the preeminent representative of the Algorians, the alien beings from the planet Hotair-- he, like Michael Mann et.al., is all doing a whole lot of complaining and changing the subject, when confronted with the ongoing scandal known as Climategate-- the Gaseous One cannot come up with a single intelligent thought when it comes to commenting about the current events-- in a robotic-like fashion, he just repeats the reactions of his "handlers" like Michael Mann--
Wait, what's the issue? I
Thu, 12/10/2009 - 09:44 ET by wiwfWait, what's the issue? I deny global warming exists too!
The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy