A professor at the university in the middle of the ClimateGate scandal called global warming skeptic Marc Morano "an a**hole" on live television Friday.
This marvelously came moments after Andrew Watson, a professor at the University of East Anglia, told the BBC host moderating the discussion that the controversy surrounding e-mail messages obtained from his school's computers is "a real setback not because there's anything wrong with the science, but because the character assassination and the temperature of the debate which you can just see from our colleague in America is just obsuring the important issue."
Less than ten seconds after making this sanctimonious, holier than thou statement, Watson said as the interview came to a close, "What an a**hole" (video embedded below the fold):
Isn't it fascinating to see how quickly folks that complain about character assassination jump to using it themselves when they're losing a debate?
I guess such hypocrisy isn't exclusive to liberals on this side of the Pond.
Here's the entire debate for those interested (transcribed highlights available at Climate Depot):
Kudos to the BBC for this segment.
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I would've loved
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 13:12 ET by ChristianRebelTo see Michael Crichton be around for this...heaven only knows what brilliant qusi-fictional story he could've wrote using ClimateGate as inspiration. He would've been great for some of these debates too.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." -Ephesians 6:12
Me too.
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 13:20 ET by Forest for the TreesCrichton's speeches on this and related topics are fascinating, especially now that the Climategate has broken through the information manipulation, falsification, cover-ups, and blockade about the religion & hoax of it all.
Worth going online to read Crichton's stuff for those that have not read his essay's/speeches on his website - which is still functioning, even after his passing.
Wasn't it Crichton who
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 13:24 ET by motherbeltWasn't it Crichton who wrote that essay about how we wouldn't be able to destroy the earth's climae, even if we set out to do exactly that?
I remember the late Charlton Heston reading that essay somewhere.
That was the forward to
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 16:54 ET by ReaverThat was the forward to Jurassic Park, when Heston read it he was so impressed he called Rush Limbaugh and asked to read it on the air. As Rush said when he played the clip – I don’t normally let callers read things on the air but when Moses calls, you let him talk.
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"Rainbow Six" by Tom Clancy is a great novel
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 13:35 ET by upcountrywaterHere is one of the last sentences in the book:
Clark orders the survivors to remove all of their clothes and walk into
the forest without any of civilization's aids, then leaves them behind,
telling them that if they want to commune with nature so much, they
should go commune.
Climategate music,h/t Rush
lol sounds like something
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 13:50 ET by ChristianRebellol sounds like something my pastor would say to some "green" person.
By the way now I'm extremely happy I joined NB since someone brought up Tom Clancy.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." -Ephesians 6:12
CR, Better than 24... Tho the NB gang made me get the DVD set.
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 14:09 ET by upcountrywaterCan you say pig flu...
More from Rainbow Six
The cause of the sudden outbreak of terrorism is radical eco-terrorists, who are owners and employees of Horizon Corporation, a large and successful biotechnology firm. They engineer a modified version of the Ebola virus, nicknamed "Shiva"; they also engineer two vaccines a phony "A" vaccine to covertly spread the Shiva virus; and an effective "B" vaccine to protect themselves.
Climategate music,h/t Rush
0.o Scary considering
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 14:12 ET by ChristianRebel0.o
Scary considering Clancy predicted the North Korean missle launch on Japan in the first Op-Center book...I wonder.
I'm going to have to hunt down Rainbow Six for my library now.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." -Ephesians 6:12
CR You will not be disappointed :-)
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 14:27 ET by upcountrywaterClimategate music,h/t Rush
Debt of Honor is scary as well
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 21:12 ET by jazz_fanClancy's novel has a jumbo jet kamikaze into the Capitol Building, long before 9-11. That's either prescient or the 9-11 plotters read American fiction.
I think I'm reading that
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 21:36 ET by ChristianRebelI think I'm reading that (or trying to lol) only it's called "Executive Orders" big 800+ page book. I've been trying to tackle it for years now.
Clancy's books are the best, scary close to the real world, but the best.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." -Ephesians 6:12
jazz_fan, As I am among Clancy's biggest fans...
Sun, 12/06/2009 - 02:16 ET by R D Helm...I recall that in the days immediately following the attacks of 9/11, some far-left types were blaming Clancy for the attacks, and claiming the terrorists had gotten the idea from him to use planes as weapons, specifically due to Debt of Honor.
-Dave
Our elected representatives have failed us.
Wow, talk about grasping at
Sun, 12/06/2009 - 02:23 ET by ChristianRebelWow, talk about grasping at straws...
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." -Ephesians 6:12
I just read Crichton's
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 14:31 ET by ChristianRebelI just read Crichton's speech on the cult of environmentalism, absolutly fantastic.
Only problem I have is I wish would've called it a cult rather than a religion for obvious reasons. But to each writer his own words, he still drove the point home.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." -Ephesians 6:12
Crichton on environmentalism as religion
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 15:19 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsMichael Crichton is all over YouTube, some great stuff.
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Here is the Crichton excerpt
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 15:47 ET by motherbeltHere is the Crichton excerpt that Charlton Heston read on the Rush Limbaugh show. It's from Jurassic Park.
A Drop In The Bucket
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 16:59 ET by miss911ninjaWonderful! His vivid descriptions of the planet's powerful forces and resiliency reminds us that we have essentially no power at all. Well, everyone except the greenies realizes it. I think it's because environmentalists are not humbled by nature. They have an inflated sense of their own significance, so they can't understand that humanity is just a drop in the bucket. Many of them probably reached this state beginning in childhood when they got trophies just for their presence!
we have no power in the big macro sense....but
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 19:59 ET by PaarlI remember quite clearly when we moved back to NJ from Rhodesia in 1965....prior to that move I do not remember ever 'seeing' air or the atmosphere....there were smokestacks and steel mills etc in Rhodesia and coal plants but they were few and the air was clear.
In NJ in 1965 you could see the air daily and a ring of smog surrounded NYC out 25 miles from the plants and the cars. While the effect was not global man's activities was certainly having a negative regional influence. Many times over the next X years there occurred what was called temperature inversions when cool polluted air was trapped by a higher level of stagnant warm air and the result was a build up of pollutants that were not being cleared away by moving weather fronts. I remember school being cancelled several times and we were warned to stay inside and refrain from athletic activities......
So while AGW is probably a scam and ALGORE is a shyster prior to the gov't required catalytic converter and other basic pollutant controls man was having quite a negative effect on regional atmospheric conditions,,.....
and while I am sure the planet will survive a full scale nuclear exchange,should it occur, the man made conditions will probably be less than ideal..
Paarl of Rhodesia
Worthy Goal
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 22:14 ET by miss911ninjaPaarl, don't get me wrong! I'm all for eliminating actual pollution of the air and water. A clean environment is a worthy goal indeed.
MB...Powerful, wise and
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 17:15 ET by celatorMB...Powerful, wise and spoken with conviction. Thanks for the link.
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
Typical
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 13:17 ET by ricklailWell put Noel. Always resort to name calling if all else fails.
Semper suprene nitens
Well, at least he didn't
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 13:22 ET by motherbeltWell, at least he didn't call him an effing idiot, like Bryant Gumbel got caught referring to that evangelist when he thought the mic was off...
Was there every any doubt that this would happen?
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 13:19 ET by motherbelt..that the finding would be argued as "trivial" compared to the disaster caused by exposing it?
the controversy surrounding e-mail messages obtained from his school's
computers is "a real setback not because there's anything wrong with
the science, but because the character assassination and the
temperature of the debate which you can just see from our colleague in
America is just obsuring the important issue."
Oh, right. The problem is not that you guys got caught fudging the data, but now that you have, it's changed the debate.
Well, poor you! If this hadn't happened, people wouldn't be getting all confused and questioning you!
They are soooo predictable!
Pure desperation from a
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 13:20 ET by fitzfongPure desperation from a pathetic pseudo-scientist who knows his side is finally starting to lose its parasitic grip on the world economy.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
Maybe the professor can take
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 13:29 ET by GregEMaybe the professor can take his word and head to the bar with Maddow, for some tea.
Sad day for "science"
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 13:38 ET by American.PatriotHaving had the good fortune to work at one of America's crown jewels (National Laboratories), where REAL SCIENCE occurs on a daily basis, it's disturbing to see the scientific model being destroyed by junk science conducted by people who call themselves scientists and academics.
At least this turd of a "scientist" isn't from a real university or national laboratory where research is conducted by professional scientists....
American Patriot:
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 14:53 ET by iveseenitallI also worked at a National Laboratory years ago ( not as a scientist). I witnessed true scientific research and met a few real "geniuses" along the way. This experience, among others, makes me shake my head in disgust as I listen to all the mountebanks and charlatans around today. Sad.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Professors
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 13:40 ET by iveseenitallLooking at the pictures of these two "gentlemen" before seeing the video, I couldn't decide who was the "professor"--- riiiight!
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
What did he 'say'??
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 14:14 ET by SlyrrThis Watson guy - when the newsbabe asked him for answers, all I heard was a load of empty puffery.
'Well, the paradigm in question is conjoined with the juxtaposition from the conclusion reached by consensus of the...'
He said absolutely NOTHING! He just launched into a string of nonsensical technobabble which was obviously intended to confuse and bore the audience into letting him get away without actually answering any questions! It's a trick I've seen used by politicians too many times to not recognize it.
Was THIS the best kind of debate that his degree could buy? 'Shut up' and 'what an --- hole'? I'd expect that kind of 'debate' from an ill-mannered kid in a schoolyard, but this guy is supposed to be a professor - supposed to be the best and the brightest the world has to offer.
That says it all folks. These scientists have done nothing but try to baffle us with bull malarky, and failing that, they turn into screeching monkeys and start flinging their poo.
Slyrr...
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 15:19 ET by iveseenitallRight on. This is exactly why there is no "thinking" going on in classrooms today. "Liberal" educators are closed-minded. Their objective in any "debate" is to win, not to find the truth. And when they are losing, they revert to phrases such as "shut up" and "a-hole". Immature---and ,ironically, truly anti-intellectual. Then they call themselves "professors" and "teachers". Sad.
"Our debates were...to be conducted in the sincere
spirit of inquiry after truth, without fondness for
dispute, or desire for victory..."
Ben Franklin
Sounds like our politicians and "journalists" today --riiight!
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
I have to disagree,
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 15:17 ET by danboI have to disagree, Slyrr.
His "explanation" of the trick says a lot. If he says that's ok. This guy should stop calling himself a scientist. And any university shouldn't let him anywhere near teaching students. Better yet, they should fire him.
There needs to be a lot of house cleaning.
"You lie!" Rep. Joe Wilson R-(SC)
Notice how they cutoff
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 14:32 ET by optimistNotice how they cutoff Morano before he could say, "Warming is not proof as man-made warming"?
Talk about a-holes.
Just another, in a long
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 14:55 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonJust another, in a long series of reasons, to STOP FUNDING the UN in any manner until they start performing!
We will pay no more than any other member nation, regardless of any other member nation financial status.
If it's a poor, third world country, that isn't OUR FAULT, but the fault of the people and the government of the nation.
The United States has paid enough.
The rest of the the world needs to GROW UP!
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Yes. We have been warming for the last 100 years.
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 14:59 ET by JWFAs Mr. Morano was probably trying to say at the end. It does not mean that man is responsible or the mean mean mean CO2 molecule is at fault.
We may be cooling now. We have been warming in the past. It has been warmer. It has been cooler. It may get warmer. It may get cooler. This is what the earth does with or without man.
The earth is a self regulating system. It is what makes life possible. It has never gotten too warm or too cold to kill off all life. We should be celebrating this wonderful climate system that sustains and protects us instead of cowering in fear that we have somehow drastically modifed it to such a degree we have to destroy our economy to unmodify it.
Anyone remember the 95% of the planet untouched by man? The 75% that is ocean? The forests, jungles, tundra, desert, mountains, swamps? The earth has absorbed everything we have thrown at it, burped, looked us in the eye and said "what else ya got boopie?"
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Curious observation
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 15:16 ET by Calypso Jonesis it me or do many leftists appear androgynous...i'm being kind rather than say that they look and act like a bunch of sissy pants.
cut the Prof some slack
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 15:25 ET by jacktheripperhe's British after all
Proud HillBilly from NNY
History
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 15:22 ET by iveseenitallIn the history of mankind, the fallacy has been put forth many times: "man has power over nature (and God)---man is the center of the universe". It has all been debunct, as will this latest demonstration of "hubris". But man, unfortunately, will never learn. Sad.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Yet another case of LIBERAL PROJECTION ...
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 15:37 ET by Jayke... Look in the mirror WATSON.
Give that man a Peace Prize!
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 16:09 ET by OxyConI see a Nobel in Professor Watson's future!
Your comment would be funny
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 16:34 ET by ThoreauYour comment would be funny if it weren't likely true. I'm waiting for Kim Jong Il to get one as well.
Yea, ol Watson had all these
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 16:47 ET by celatorYea, ol Watson had all these millions of pounds/$ of "research funds" lined up for years to come and now.......
There goes the new boat, the little farm in Northern England he was counting on, the new Land Rover is now just a dream. Life ain't fair, I tell ya! Turn the thermostat up, it's getting cold in here.
The fun part will begin when all these climate science geniuses start ratting each other out--and we know that's coming soon. Now that's popcorn time.
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A Silly Question
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 20:27 ET by CooltomIf we reduce the amount of CO2 don't we run the risk of reducing the amount of O2 also?
Nah has nothing to do with
Sun, 12/06/2009 - 01:48 ET by ChristianRebelNah has nothing to do with it.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." -Ephesians 6:12
Sorry I got "O2" (Oxygen)
Sun, 12/06/2009 - 02:18 ET by ChristianRebelSorry I got "O2" (Oxygen) mixed up with "O3" (Ozone), carry on...
If it doesn't suprise anyone I was never any good during the chemistry units in science.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." -Ephesians 6:12
CT
Sun, 12/06/2009 - 01:51 ET by Noel SheppardCT,
Of course. That's the absurd dirty little secret the idiots in the media ignore. Didn't ANYONE learn photosynthesis? The ignorance on display is astounding -- absolutely astounding!
Is it possible Mother Nature really is brilliant, and the rise in CO2 since 1850 corresponds nicely with the rise in population?
Scientists have been confused by the oceans' "recent" inability to absord CO2. Is it possible Mother Nature recognizes the expanding lifeforms on the planet that require O2, and therefore isn't absorbing as much CO2 to affect an increase in photosynthesis?
Maybe Mother Nature is responding to reductions in the Amazon rainforest, or other destructions of forests in fires.
Who knows?
But the very idea that CO2 is somehow harmful to species made of carbon and dependent on oxygen is the height of stupidity. ns
ns -- agreed. Also where
Sun, 12/06/2009 - 11:05 ET by Jack Bauerns -- agreed. Also were you screaming at the TV watching that idiotic woman and her "science expeiment" in Congress.
I was just begging someone in Congress to ask:
"Lady -- okay, even accepting what you say is true, given that less than 5% of C02 released into the atmosphere is man caused, how on earth do you inntend to control the 95% produced naturally by mother nature"
But of course, even Republicans in Congress just aren't sharp enough to think of this stuff on their feet.
But as Congress is now the place to perform high school science demonstrations, how about the one where melting ice in a glass of water showsn the water level to DECREASE.
Put a fork in the AGW "scientists". They're done.
Sat, 12/05/2009 - 21:31 ET by TenebrousCheck out the links at the Climate Depot. The AGW scientists are now as toxic as Jeremiah "AmeriKKKa" Wright.
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I guess when someone is
Sun, 12/06/2009 - 01:16 ET by mattmI guess when someone is called an a**hole the debate's over.
What part of Europe?
Sun, 12/06/2009 - 01:31 ET by Joe-OaktonThe only important thing about Europe is that we must remember that there are only two groups. Those who’s ass we kicked and those who’s ass we saved.
Since then for the most part, they’ve behaved like ungrateful little brats towards the United States. Much like a spoiled child who did get everything they wanted on Christmas morning. Period, end of story.
An armed society is a polite society
Liberal tolerance on
Sun, 12/06/2009 - 08:14 ET by wiwfLiberal tolerance on parade
The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy
Media is a joke!
Sun, 12/06/2009 - 09:20 ET by Cambell1662If they won't cover this story for two weeks after it broke, why bother. People are getting their news elsewhere anyway! They have to if they want real news.
Get Out Of Their Way
Sun, 12/06/2009 - 15:15 ET by countmein5050Isn't it fascinating to see how quickly folks that complain about character assassination jump to using it themselves when they're losing a debate?
And for that reason, alone, liberals should be free to self-destruct without any help from 'outsiders'. Get out of their way and simply let them do what they are unable to resist doing to themselves...
Warming vs Little Ice Age
Sun, 12/06/2009 - 19:54 ET by hwm98264.....It is logical and rationally normal for the current climate period to be in a warming mode as a natural, logical consequence of climate factors that caused the demise of the very recent 500 years of the ‘Little Ice Age’ (LIA). The subsequent warming post LIA is just one facet of earth’s ever changing climate cycles. Hence, there currently is shrinkage of some glaciers and some of the ice in some parts of the earth which is counterbalanced by advances in other areas. There is no such thing as a stable preferred climate period based on all of the historical data/records. The current CO2 caused global warming hysteria is fraudulent. .....Too bad the present day global warming alarmists could not travel back in time to the LIA. They would be so happy there and they wouldn’t have all of their endless predicted disasters to distress them so much. The LIA was a very, very bad experience for those unfortunate to have lived during that climate period; with many millions of deaths from exposure, starvation, diseases and plagues. Be thankful that it ended just before YOU and I arrived on the scene!
On popping the global warming bubble
Sun, 12/06/2009 - 20:58 ET by whirlwindWheel within a wheel
How much Hydrogen is required for the ongoing fusion reaction in the sun? Anyone? When is the next period of sun spot activity to take place? About 2012?, for the latter question; and about 4 milion tons per second for the first question. Both are important to consider in "GW", let us abbreviate. So when do we run out of hydrogen? How about "Coronal Mass Ejections"...anyone ever seen those? They are recorded daily by the SOHO satellite...mass equivalent to North American Blown off the sun at speeds up to a million miles an hour. It is both fascinating to witness, and vaguely alarming.
I may well be the only 50 years of Theology member, so much of what i say will be both shocking and unbelievable, but trust me. The sun is predicted to go dark. After that all hell beaks loose, and that too is described. Astrophysicists have kept extremely close watch on millions of stars, and know about "hydrogen depletion", gravitational contraction, followed by the "Helium Flash". This is what we can expect our sun to do...any time now; and then becomes a Red Giant.
The issue is not about who Tiger Woods is boinking...it's about ourselves being prepared for our own day of judgment. If my own behaviour is any clue, almost none of us are prepared. We are certainly not as knowledgable as we like to puff ourselves up to be either.
There was one ice age immediately following the Noahic Flood, and all the continents have been draining ever since, with "Desertification" the overall trend...and will continue. There is nothing we can do to stop that trend. But we can begin to focus on doing what it takes to prevent ourselves from regressing to barbaric tribes as things get worse. Sadly...I do not see that happening either.
Oh yes...have any of you thought about what would happen in the event of a massive Coronal Mass Ejection wiping out ALL satellite communication networks simulataneously, and permanently?
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If Global Warning WAS Real
Mon, 12/07/2009 - 13:57 ET by Peter-in-NYCI have wondered... if climate change, global warming is real... why are we so vain to think that current/old climate is better?
It is cheaper to cool a house in the summer than heat one in the winter. We could grow more crops, and unless you own a ski resort it would be better to have shorter winters.
But of course $cience doesn't care about facts!
Well, almost. Winter snow
Mon, 12/07/2009 - 15:50 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonWell, almost.
Winter snow pack is what determines the amount of water in them thar hills to water grass and crops with.
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Double post.
Mon, 12/07/2009 - 15:57 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonDouble post.
Peter in NYC
Mon, 12/07/2009 - 23:03 ET by ahusserGlobal warming maybe real it is just the manmade assertions and the drastic solutions that are being proposed. This has never really been about science it is about social control using science as a weapon. BTW the EPA has gone ahead and made carbon dioxide something that is harmful to the environment. Like how government can just do as they please and science be damned. These agencies are extra legal and are running amuck.
"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'