During Wednesday's Justice Department oversight hearing by the Senate Judiciary Committee, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) stumped Attorney General Eric Holder on what should have been a fairly routine question for America's top law enforcement official.
Maybe more surprisingly, NPR reported it at its website.
As NPR's Frank James noted, "The exchange started with Graham stumping Holder with a question one would have thought the attorney general would have been prepared for."
I quite agree (video embedded below the fold with partial transcript, h/t Steve Malzberg):
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM, (R-S.C): Can you give me a case in United States history where a enemy combatant caught on a battlefield was tried in civilian court?
ERIC HOLDER, ATTORNEY GENERAL: I don't know. I'd have to look at that. I think that, you know, the determination I've made --
GRAHAM: We're making history here, Mr. Attorney General. I'll answer it for you. The answer is no.
HOLDER: Well, I think --
GRAHAM: The Ghailani case -- he was indicted for the Cole bombing before 9/11. And I didn't object to it going into federal court. But I'm telling you right now. We're making history and we're making bad history. And let me tell you why.
Now, the real focus of this NPR piece was Graham's subsequent question concerning whether or not U.S. officials would have to Mirandize Osama bin Laden if he was captured:
GRAHAM: If bin Laden were caught tomorrow, would it be the position of this administration that he would be brought to justice?
HOLDER: He would certainly be brought to justice, absolutely.
GRAHAM: Where would you try him?
HOLDER: Well, we'd go through our protocol. And we'd make the determination about where he should appropriately be tried. [...]
GRAHAM: If we captured bin Laden tomorrow, would he be entitled to Miranda warnings at the moment of capture?
HOLDER: Again I'm not -- that all depends. I mean, the notion that we --
GRAHAM: Well, it does not depend. If you're going to prosecute anybody in civilian court, our law is clear that the moment custodial interrogation occurs the defendant, the criminal defendant, is entitled to a lawyer and to be informed of their right to remain silent.
The big problem I have is that you're criminalizing the war, that if we caught bin Laden tomorrow, we'd have mixed theories and we couldn't turn him over -- to the CIA, the FBI or military intelligence -- for an interrogation on the battlefield, because now we're saying that he is subject to criminal court in the United States. And you're confusing the people fighting this war.
Much as what NPR did with its piece, this bin Laden segment will likely get a lot of attention from the media in the next 24 hours, as it certainly should.
How they report Holder being stumped by the earlier question will be very interesting to see.
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.
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The smooth talking, Billy
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 18:57 ET by Chris NormanThe smooth talking, Billy Dee Holder, stumped by Lindsey Graham? I hope my Thanksgiving dinner is just half as delicious, Noel.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Like A Lamb To The Slaughter
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 18:59 ET by countmein5050And liberals will have to do a mighty dance around the truth....again. Seems so obvious to even a preschooler that if one simply sticks to the truth...the facts...and Constitutional rules and regulations...there is no need to remember what lies you've told, covered, or omitted in favor of furthering your own lies and hidden agendas. Seems obvious. You have to have a brain disorder not to see it...enter the liberal.
Wow! Lindsey's BALLS must have...
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 21:55 ET by thedailyzingfinally dropped today or something... Well done Sir South Carolina!!
Now, if we could only get him to be this passionate & fierce against illegal immigration & global warming...
By the way, have ya'll seen the latest ZING by the young conservative guys over at The Daily Zing? Check it out. It's way funny... They explain where Arizina's 15th District is... Click here to find out: http://thedailyzing.com/469/millions-hit-by-plague-worse-than-swine-flu/ Hint: it's down south...
tdz.... It only happens
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 22:03 ET by bigtimertdz....
It only happens sporadically with Little Lindsey...he usually seems to really grow up right before his next election.
Although like I said, I saw that live, and I could have gave him a hug!
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
He might be...
Thu, 11/19/2009 - 01:59 ET by talkradio55He might be trying to compensate for voting to confirm Holder in the first place. But, still, bravo, Senator Graham.
Liberalism is a lie unto itself.
"dance around the truth"
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 21:56 ET by Edhenry"dance around the truth" (like that, thank you)
....and dance around common sense, pro-american policies. the Constitution, economics. job creation and U. S. sovereinty.
Miss trial
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 19:06 ET by sevenMiranda rights is a law? Except when it isn't?
Holder shows me clearly that he is confused. he stuttered and stammered in his answers. He is in above his pay grade and is doing this stunt because he was told to.
→ That's the Graham I remember
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 19:08 ET by Cool ArrowThat's the guy who went after Clinton over the Paula Jones case.
Too bad Grahamnesty refuses to recognize there is a "fundamental difference" between illegal and legal immigration.
Too bad Sen. Graham isn't a conservative. He's got a sharp mind.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Bullseye---
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 19:19 ET by matthewdeanVery nice shot, CA.
MD
"There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."
Mark Twain (1835-1910)
Same guy, I wish
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 20:27 ET by jdlybrandLindsey gets it right. But he's still got a lot of cleaning up to do before he gets my vote again.
"What a revoltin' development this is!"
Chester Riley
Holder
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 20:33 ET by WarmanToo bad He helped vote Holder in,Ya think he was looking ahead to the future or do you think his censure from his home state has him running like a cockroach? A Rino is still a Rino please don't forget one right and too many wrongs from Grahamnasty
NoelHave you ever
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 19:17 ET by buddycNoel
Have you ever consider another possible explanation for Obama/Holders action in trying these people in civilian courts? Is it possible that Obama just does not want to be the president that orders his execution ? Could it be that he is afraid it will affect his image in the muslim world? Is it possible that if KSM's action had religious sanction, Obama's execution of him might have some religious implications?
I am reaching but Holder is NOT incompetent. Yet his actions in almost all respects with regard to this matter are STUPID.
buddyc~~
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 19:34 ET by BKeyserPersonally, I think this is about putting "torture" on trial. They couldn't win the argument with Dick Cheney; they couldn't strongarm the CIA in to volunteering information; and they wouldn't be able to appease the ACLU with military trials. That's why they stopped the in-progress military trial of KSM, and why they moved it to New York. In Federal Court, the John Adams Project can make this all about Bush, waterboarding, and how dispicable the United States was, under the previous administration. They think they've got enough on him to put him away, and still put "the system on trial."
I Partially Agree
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 20:25 ET by JustAlIt is certainly their intention to put the US in general and the Bush administration in particular on trial. I do not, however, agree that they "think they've got enough on him to put him away." Rather I think they know full well that issues like Miranda will insure that KSM walks. That way they indict the US and show that they are somehow "better."
Let me be very clear. It is my opinion that the current regime desires that KSM is set free along with as many other enemies of the US as possible. I hope I am proven wrong, but all of their actions to date indicate that I am not.
X
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 20:20 ET by serfer62Its all about trial lawyers. The aclu charges a lot of money to represent someone like this for free.
Think about, this and OHbama care will give these a$$holes billions of dollars and of course the Kommiecrat party gets it share.
Its about the money
Ahem, the criminal holder's firm will reap how many billions from this?
GRAHAM VS GRAHAM...
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 21:16 ET by danybhoySo, Lindsey "Goober" Graham stumps the Stedman Graham look-alike, Eric Holder? How funny is that. Holder is a liberal hack slip & fall lawyer who will sell out this nation again like he has in the past.
BTW, do an image search of Holder & Oprah's boy-toy Stedman Graham, & then ask yourself if you have ever seen them together? Also, what is up with Holders hair? Dude, you either shave it bald or invest in a "hair system". It looks awful.
"...How blind can you be, don't you see...
...that the gambler lost all he does not have..."
Nightwish
Obama and Holder both have
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 22:28 ET by gregfaheyObama and Holder both have stock in Chia Pet products.
hah!
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 22:51 ET by michiganruthyou got that on O'Reilly, with Dennis Miller. Steadman (sp?)--perfect separated at birth with Holder.
And we're paying for it.
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 23:08 ET by pbanks7Holder's law firm represents terrorists. This is another gift to the Zer0bama's cronies.
MSM - shaping all the perceptions you need to believe, then confirming it with a poll.
buddyc
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 20:45 ET by srqvetI've had the same thought. Certainly a possibility.
Well, I think it's clear
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 19:29 ET by BKeyserWell, I think it's clear that Graham has heard the complaints- we'll see if he rethinks his position on Crap-N-Trade. (Btw, does anyone know if he voted with Dems to end the filibuster over Hamilton?) However, Lindsey needed to shut up and let Holder stutter and stammer with his way through his unbelievably naive response.
Straight up BK...
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 20:20 ET by JPR1The sheer idiocy of Holders decision warrants a thoroughly embarrassing comeuppance. I’m really tired of the namby-pamby “let’s all respect each other” approach these RINOs take. I want the people who represent me to make anyone with abominably stupid ideas to look as stupid as they actually are.
Graham had a diamond hard argument; another ten seconds here, twenty seconds there and Holders’ status as a fool would have been chiseled in stone.
But nooooo.
ncis
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 19:31 ET by cajun2Lets make things easy for Holder. Put an NCIS team with every combat unit in the field. Oh may as well send couple of JAGs with them. We capture, gather evidence, Abby gets DNA matches, JAGs read um their rights and we are ready to go anywhere in the world. I know guys, but my scenario cant be anymore stupid than Holders. Can it?
Holder's Idea
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 19:57 ET by slickwillie2001I can see it now in next year's new season lineup –CSI Afghanistan.
Wasn't Holder Assistant AG
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 19:44 ET by 10ksnookerWhen the Cole was bombed? And did he file charges then against the Cole suspects, take out a warrant ...
Or is this all a get Bush joke being played on America?
10K,
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 20:35 ET by UpNorthto answer your first question, yes. #2, NO. #3. Yes. But BJ Bill C did manage to bomb an aspirin factory in Sudan over the Cole "incident". Too bad Sen. Graham doesn't have a bigger set of stones, he absolutely demolished Holder today, and exposed yet more of this incompetent, childish administration to those who thought there were adults in charge.
→ UpNorth
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 20:43 ET by Cool ArrowThe Aspirin Factory bombing was in 1998, during the Lewinski hearing.
It was also during this time that Clinton chose to resume the Gulf War by sending Cruise Missiles into Iraq.
The Cole Incident occurred in October 2000, a month before the Bush election.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Holder's Very Strange Legal Journey
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 22:18 ET by celator10K...here are some of Holder's very strange associations in his legal career. It includes:
-The Seizure Of Elian Gonzalez And His Return To Cuba.
-Clemency To 16 Former Members Of FALN, A Puerto Rican Terrorist Organization
-A Major Role When President Clinton Pardoned Fugitive Marc Rich In His Final Week In Office
-Lobbying For A Controversial Company--Global Crossing
Read the details at:
http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS134005+15-Jan-2009+PRN20...
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
→ BTW, celator
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 22:22 ET by Cool ArrowGlobal Crossing is also the company that turned Terry McCauliffe's $100k investment into $18 million.
You'll notice Global crossing is no longer on the map.
Mini Madoff.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Forgot about McCauliffe's
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 22:27 ET by celatorForgot about McCauliffe's connection. And McCauliffe's very generous gift to the Clintons--the estate in Chappaqua
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/04/nyregion/financial-engineering-in-the-...
I can't keep up with all the dots anymore!
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
Ya know
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 19:50 ET by FastEdfor a bunch of boobs, W & Friends did an awful lot to get brlamed for - so i guess, now that we have crimialized battlefields, he and friends will be able to be brought to International Courts for what they've done. Can't Barry and Holder at the very least say they want the world to proscecute the past president? He should remember, though, that they (the world) might remember that he didn't save the polar bears, make carbon illegal, nor save the planet by walking, and hence compressing the water he should have walked on - and the wastestream media keeps flowing along.
Proud member of the MOB - Move Over Barack, we want our country back!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Yeah, I cannot wait to see
Thu, 11/19/2009 - 09:33 ET by BDYeah, I cannot wait to see the "Bitch slapped Expression" expression on the faces of the Obama administration when they are hauled before an international court for illegally trying a military detainee in a civil court.
Think it will not happen? Wait till the euro's see New Yorkers give someone the death penalty and then prepare to carry it out. THe euro's will find that hook in an attempt to save the terrorists lives.
Re Holder
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 19:54 ET by slickwillie2001There's zero evidence that 'The Forehead' is any more intelligent than his dumb boss the Bamster. Like Clinton and Reno, he likely got the job because he is an empty suit that promises to do what he is told.
Mr. Holder welcome to the
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 20:04 ET by jkwtradingMr. Holder welcome to the USA, you 've just encountered..open mouth insert foot , now bite it off like a man..
...then chew then swallow
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 20:04 ET by Beukeboom...then chew then swallow 'cause you're just going to do it again.
May I offer some condiments?
and Mr Holder the people
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 20:07 ET by jkwtradingand Mr Holder the people around you are not familiar with anyone named Heimlich.
No Heimlich---
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 22:22 ET by matthewdeanBut they are all damn good at the "Hind-lick" maneuver.
MD
"There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."
Mark Twain (1835-1910)
And another thing...
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 22:28 ET by Barker...don't forget to puke into your sleeve.
Why should anyone be
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 20:04 ET by BeukeboomWhy should anyone be surprised that Holder would be stumped by fairly basic legal questions? He was clearly unqualified to hold the AG position in the first place and moments like these confirm it.
NPR...I'll be
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 20:06 ET by bigtimerNPR...I'll be darned!
Anyway...like I said somewhere a couple of places today, if you get the chance watch a repeat of this, I caught the first three hours this morning on Fox Streaming....anyway, C-SPAN will most likely repeat it all as well, which there was some I missed myself.
It was well worth it, Graham, Kyl and Sessions as well were all good, I could have hugged Little Lindsey for a change.
It was disappointing something this important to our nation wasn't televised during the day...as if there was any major breaking news elsewhere...to me this is the utmost of importance...the news networks are ill as far as I am concerned, thank goodness for the internet.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
bt, I'm sure retribution
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 20:13 ET by Chris Normanbt,
I'm sure retribution against Graham will be swift. First off: "Worst Person" tonight on Odorman...
As far as the Internet, the network news made themselves sick - the Internet is just hastening their demise. :)
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Down here
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 21:16 ET by jdlybrandBeing named "Worst Person" is a badge of honor! It means somebody is doing their job.
"What a revoltin' development this is!"
Chester Riley
Great questions for
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 20:09 ET by muh-oonGreat questions for Holder. One other point, if terrorist acts on civilians in America results in a trial in American court with full American citizen rights, but terrorist acts on military targets results in a military tribunal as an enemy combatant, isn't that creating incentive to attack American civilian targets?
Holder is NOT a BRIGHT MAN
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 20:41 ET by Delsanor is he a brilliant attorney.
He is the same as the Jihadist Hassan in that they were both promoted due to their minority status.
Thet are the "Peter Principal" personified.
OMG, these guys are the "alleged" attorney and as CNN would say, the "alleged" shooter!
He was not stumped, he was non-plussed!
I have no beef with Graham,
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 21:18 ET by TomoramaI have no beef with Graham, I don't agree with him on everything, but the reality is the only guy I agree with on everything is me....
I have no problem with having a differing viewpoint in the "party" as how bleeped up is a party in total lockstep (wasn't that Hitler??).
This is one of those cases where he is a damn good Republican and rightfully deserves his props for schooling this token AG.
Obama wants this show trial for TWO reasons, ONE, it will look like a win to the easily fooled public and he can shine his badge with a softball case and TWO, he wants to PUT BUSH AND COMPANY on trial to rile up his base and make BUSH look bad.
He doesn't give a shit about the FBI, CIA or our secrets being told in public as he is nothing but a lying fraud of a coward and a paper president (no P deserved).
A great man once said, YOU only get out of life what YOU put into it, he obviously wasn't a liberal.
Well, I guess this will be
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 21:22 ET by JerWell, I guess this will be the kiss of death, but I admire Graham also. He appears to state his mind without first holding his finger in the wind.
Jer
Interesting... Can we say
Thu, 11/19/2009 - 01:08 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonInteresting...
Can we say "alleged president"?
"no matter how low you set the bar, liberals can never quite measure up." -Me
http://gjresult.com
What do you expect from a guy whose middle name is "Himpton"?
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 20:53 ET by MightyMouth"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"
→ It's not Cup?
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 20:56 ET by Cool ArrowI thought his name was Eric Cup Holder?
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Cool YOU are SO
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 21:00 ET by DelsaCLEVER!
I love it.
Eric Cup Holder it is!
Jury of Peers?
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 20:58 ET by FaulknerFanIsn't it a requirement that a person be tried by a jury of his peers?
Where will Holder and company find that in New York? Round up a bunch
of local terrorists and put them on the jury?
The only rational choice...
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 21:19 ET by MightyMouth...is to bring in 12 Gitmo detainees!
"Yourch Honor can we skip the trial and go straight into 'deliberations'?"
"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"
Holder.. no holden back on ..
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 21:32 ET by Gary Hall..setting legal precedent.
Yeow!
Holder in 2002: "It seems to me that given the way in which they have conducted themselves, however, that they are not, in fact, people entitled to the protection of the Geneva Convention."
How soon they forget.
(;~/ gary
Yep,
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 22:51 ET by general companyHe obviously had his fingers crossed
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Watching Holder stumble,
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 21:34 ET by celatorWatching Holder stumble, swerve and speed bump through Graham's questions, it seem incredible that he ever passed the bar exam. It was just pathetic.
If I were a defense lawyer in this case, I could get the judge to throw out the case the first day.
I'd ask:
1. Was my client read his Miranda Rights? No. I ask that this case be dismissed.
2. Was he waterboarded to make him talk? Yes. I ask that this case be dismissed.
3. Was there a proper chain of custody? No. I ask that this case be dismissed.
5. Did the President of the United States and the Attorney General of the United States repeatedly declare on national television that my client was guilty of the crime he is accused of committing before a jury was selected? Yes. I ask that this case be dismissed.
One another note, will a "jury of his peers" be made of up Islamoterrorists? Those are his peers, after all. Do we actually believe this jury would declare him guilty?
What a complete mess this is going to be.
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
I want you to be my lawyer
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 23:11 ET by HogTideRebelCatsCelator,
If I ever need a lawyer I want it to be you. I think KSM will ask for a change of venue to the mountains that border Pakistan and Afghanistan.
After all, he can't get a fair trial when the Prez and Attorney Gen have already convicted him in the news.
Hog...Hard to predict
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 23:32 ET by celatorHog...Hard to predict anything on the outcome, of course, but it smells like the case is DOA at this point.
But as others have said, the case is about a lot of things: getting Bush, use of "torture", humiliating the US, weakening intelligence planning (because the jerk was a "planner" not a "doer"). What legal ramifications does the trial have, internationally, on humint operations planners at Langeley responsible for foreign operations? etc, etc. Holder and Obama have set off a huge mess.
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
Yeah, if the case is thrown
Thu, 11/19/2009 - 09:38 ET by BDYeah, if the case is thrown out for any reason Obama will simply fall back on what he is good at - blaming GWB.
maroon
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 21:49 ET by WesenThe poltroonery of this Administration is breathless. May history patiently record their obsequious treachery.
This was beautiful, and...
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 22:00 ET by PrairieSkyway to go Lindsey Graham...I hope we see more of this from him.
Holder had his head handed to him today. He was so bad, he is just painful to watch in this...I found myself wondering if he did any prep work for this appearance today...What kind of questions did he think he would be asked? Holder seemed totally unprepared for what he faced. He had the "deer in the headlights" look off and on throughout, and how many times did he stumble and bluff his way through his answers?
Graham and Co. were great, and they didn't hold back (thank heavens). This should be required viewing for anyone in this country who is concerned about having the terror trials in NYC (or anywhere else in the US). Today showed unequivocally that this administration hasn't thought this through, and has no clue what they are doing.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
→ No way
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 22:07 ET by Cool ArrowHe still can't comprehend that others see through his shallow plan.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Cool...Apparently...
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 22:28 ET by PrairieSkyThis administration, and this president especially, must believe that the American people are unbelievably stupid, for us not to see how inept and clueless they are about so many things...Today was another vivid example of how far in over their heads they all are.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
Amateur night at the Capitol.
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 22:03 ET by pbthinkerHow can Holder claim to have gone over this with a fine tooth comb, and get stumped by Graham? He may have gone over the politics of it, with a fine tooth comb, but it was just to find out if there was a downside politically for Democrats. Obviously, he didn't think of the downside if the lawyers get these guys off.
Election 2008-God's way of showing us that elections count.
He researched it with ...
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 23:22 ET by FaulknerFanpb:
But...but ... he said he asked his wife and brother about it!
I hope they fail
Thu, 11/19/2009 - 00:14 ET by AbraxosPBThinker's comment above really made me think.
I think I'd like to see KSM get off now, not because I side with the terrorists, but because I want Holder and Obama's entire administration to be humiliated for their bringing terror prosecutions into civilian court.
→ Please don't
Thu, 11/19/2009 - 00:18 ET by Cool ArrowSufficient to the day is the evil thereof.
I'll hope for justice, and trust the American people are filled with disgust at the circus Holder created.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
If they're not humiliated by now
Thu, 11/19/2009 - 00:43 ET by RESTLESS 1They never will be. The people are smart enough to see how disgusting this is. That our Attorney General doesn't know how OBL should/would be handled has shown this administration for the incompetent idiots they are.
KSM can and will be brought to justice, and this administration will still be seen for the fools they are.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
Stunning, truly stunning
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 22:26 ET by Jack ColemanErased plenty of doubt that I'd want Graham for a lawyer, and reinforced plenty that I'd ever want Holder defending me.
After watching this clip...
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 22:49 ET by TexndocImagine "KSM" with THIS Lindsey Graham as his defense attorney and Holder the prosecutor. Know how the movie ends?
Wow that was good.
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 22:50 ET by ekslibThanks for posting this.
Lindsey kicked his ass
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 23:02 ET by HogTideRebelCatsLindsey screws up now and then.
But this was not one of those times. Holder was peeing his pants when Lindsey kicked his ass.
just remember, folks
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 23:25 ET by Candance MooreThis is the guy who is tough enough to lead prosecution of our enemies in the GWOT.
→ Candance
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 23:27 ET by Cool ArrowYour post presupposes they recognize the existence of the GWOT.
Sorry, that was low-hanging fruit.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Candance
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 23:41 ET by general companyDid you hear his interview with Hannety on the radio today? You and others might want to find the last 3-4 minuets of that interview. Interesting to say the least. Lindsy can be a goober for sure. But he was suggesting any bill he supports will have to include the goal of energy independence. Including Drilling offshore, Nuke plants, Coal, an all of the above approach. Basically saying I dont care what they call it, he would rather have control over its authority then the EPA.
Anyway, it was interesting, even though Sean even told him he thought he was being used by the left.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
"Basically saying I dont
Thu, 11/19/2009 - 13:27 ET by ckc1227"Basically saying I dont care what they call it, he would rather have control over its authority then the EPA"
Typical political spin by Goober. Just because Dems via the EPA may/will screw us doesn't mean you team up with the other side to screw us first in the name of bipartisanship. If the left wants to use the EPA to screw the people, let them, and make them own it when that bill comes due.
My best friend of over 22 years is an attorney...
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 23:53 ET by R D Helm...who is now working in the public sector, although said friend is not part of the Justice Department.
To be fair, my friend believes, as I do, that Obama is not his own man, and that his strings are being manipulated by others who have an agenda that is less than conducive to the continued freedom and prosperity of America as we know it.
I had nearly an hour-long telephone conversation with said friend today, during which this person laid down the exact reasons they believe these trials were moved to New York, and it is not solely because the far left wants to use these trials to go after Bush, thus aiding our enemies in this war, although that is part of it.
My friend believes that Obama's handlers are attempting to use these trials to set certain constitutionally contradictory precedents that, if adhered to by courts in future cases, will eventually result in the destruction of our criminal justice system as it currently exists.
After hearing my friend out, I totally agreed with this assessment, as I was introduced to legal minefields that are present in this matter that I didn't even know existed.
Our only hope to stop this insanity is that the repubs get sufficient control of the House next November to start seriously probing not only Barack Hussein Obama, but this boob of an affirmative action appointee Eric Holder.
-Dave
Our elected representatives have failed us.
Cracks in the Dam
Thu, 11/19/2009 - 00:05 ET by AbraxosI don't think real journalism is quite that dead yet among veteran reporters. We're just beginning to see little cracks in the dam of reality backing up behind the stonewall of liberal media. When even their liberal stomach's begin to turn at the Administration's confused, incompetent, anti-American policies, it's a sign that the stars in their eyes are fading.
Maybe the message from NPR
Thu, 11/19/2009 - 00:28 ET by snaggletoothieMaybe the message from NPR is that they will accurately report on Republicans who routinely sell out.
good sign
Thu, 11/19/2009 - 09:02 ET by spepperthis is a good sign-- Senator Graham is finally going after this administration's boondoggling-- I can only hope that they will make a concerted effort such as this to go after the administration's many, many abuses and shortcomings--
This proves that Holder's decision was political
Thu, 11/19/2009 - 10:45 ET by c5thenHe has no basis for a legal decision like this and obviously didn't even bother to research it. The only reason to try them as criminals is political and ideological. For some bizzare reason the liberal/progressive element look at "terrorist" as a "higher" and "more noble" description than criminal. With this political decision they are trying to send the message that we concider them to be "only common criminals".
The unintended consequences of this decision will, I hope, not be as catastrophic as they could be and as they were from the first terrorist act against the US and the World Trade Centers in 1993. That was also treated as a criminal act and sent the message to the perpetrators that we were "asleep at the switch" and not serious about our national security. GOD forbid that we get a liberal democrat as a judge who throws out all the evidence against the defendants because, as Sen. Graham brings up, they were not Mirandized.
Throw 'da bums out!!!
Before it's too late.
www.loyaltoliberty.com
I guess this shows that a
Thu, 11/19/2009 - 11:11 ET by James2306I guess this shows that a blind squirrel will find a nut occasionally
Pacifism is a luxury bought with the blood of the valorous
Good News though
Thu, 11/19/2009 - 13:14 ET by BeanManThis means that when they finally find OBL, they'll shoot him right between the eyes and then mirandize him!
Since government is coercion, politics is largely the exercise of deception regarding the intended use of coercion - George Orwell
Noel.. within 24 hours? Not in the LA Times
Thu, 11/19/2009 - 13:50 ET by Gary HallNoel.. It was my guess, yesterday, as I watched the grilling of Holder (and read your post) that the LA Times would somehow protect Eric Holder and Obama on this, as long as they possibly can.
For some reason, I almost never found this piece in their on-line search engine - I called the LAT's and they couldn't find it either, but as we were talking, I searched for the staff writer's name and it came up. The print edition headline is "Debate escalates over Sept. 11 civilian trial." The on-line headline is Obama and Holder defend plans to try Sep't. 11 suspects (man, is that ever weak).
Your prediction of, "this bin Laden segment will likely get a lot of attention from the media in the next 24 hours, as it certainly should." Well - in Josh Meyer's piece here, Bin Laden is not mentioned by name, and neither is Sen. Graham. While a sense of opposition, both by family members of those slain and by Republicans, is presented in the piece; the LA Times' reader will not sense that Obama's Eric Holder had a difficult time in defending his decision. In fact, after paragraph after paragraph in presenting the Obama position, the LAT's in closing stated:
The readers should be so proud.
(;~/ gary
Graham is absolutely
Thu, 11/19/2009 - 14:53 ET by dscottGraham is absolutely correct in identifying the fatal flaw of Obama & Holder's plan to try KSM or OBL for that matter in criminal court. However, everyone here assumes these two are legal boobs or incompetent lawyers, that would be a mistake IF there were another agenda. Let's speculate for a moment that Obama and Holder are NOT incompetent boobs but in fact devious manipulators. I submit the point of trying KSM in a civilian court is to overcome technical legal decisions such as legal representation and indefinite detention without trial. In order not to have the case thrown out in civilian court at this point in the game, certain Constitutional guarantees must be suspended. IF in order to find KSM guilty in a civilian criminal court the precedent is set to suspend Constitutional rights then ANYONE accused of terrorism would also be subject to the same expedited rules of procedure.
DID NOT Holder himself imply even IF KSM were acquitted, he would spend the rest of his life in jail???? Connect the dots folks, Obama and Holder are planning to create politically motivated trials under the guise of terrorist accusations. These to evil men are intending to cause this country to descend into darkness. Once the country is terrorized by accusations and arrests their grip on power will be final.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.