The New York Times told readers Saturday that Attorney General Eric Holder's decision to try five Guantanamo Bay terrorist detainees in New York City was "a bold and principled step...toward repairing the damage wrought by former President George W. Bush."
Not surprisingly, while the Times editorial board cheered Friday's decision to try Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and others with suspected ties to the 9/11 attacks near where the World Trade Center used to stand, they also took the opportunity to bash Bush:
From that entirely unnecessary policy (the United States had the tools to detain, charge and bring terrorists to justice) flowed a terrible legacy of torture and open-ended incarceration. It left President Obama with yet another mess to clean up on an urgent basis.
The editorial continued:
It was an enormous victory for the rule of law, a major milestone in Mr. Obama’s efforts to close the detention camp at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and an important departure from Mr. Bush’s disregard for American courts and their proven ability to competently handle high-profile terror cases. If he and Vice President Dick Cheney had shown more faith in the laws and the Constitution, the alleged mass murderers would have faced justice much earlier.
The piece concluded with one final swipe at the Bush White House:
Still, this much is clear: the Obama administration has yet to completely figure out how to rectify the disgraceful Bush detention policies, but it is getting there.
Oy vey!
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The NYT is right. Bush
November 14, 2009 - 09:56 ET by HockeyKidThe NYT is right. Bush shouldn't have spent all that money incarcerating KSM and Friends. They should have been shot and left for fertilizer. It's the greenest way for them to "give back to the people".
As it is, I wonder how many changes of venue are going to be requested before some custom-shopped lib judge just decides a fair trial isn't available in American and sets them free.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
.. and when KSM is Acquitted
November 14, 2009 - 10:05 ET by allanfWhen KSM is acquitted because evidence against him does not meet the admissibility standards of the District Court, and he is released into New York City, free to wreak unimaginable havoc will the Times salute Obama's magnanimity?
Not at all
November 14, 2009 - 10:32 ET by Seabeach4348They will continue to blame Bush and Cheney. After all, KSM now suffers from "Falsely Accused & Roughly Treated Syndrome" (FARTS) as a result of all the anguish he endured at the hands of Darth Bush, Cheney, and his minions.
President Pantywaist will receive praise and more dopey, drippy fawning and adulation from the usual scum and perverts in the leftie news sources.
If I were Dick Cheney I would try to make nice with KSM (for the principles of diversity and fairness) and invite KSM on a hunting trip! It would be fun!
President Pantywaist will mandate that FARTS sufferers will have their treatment and therapy covered under ObamaCare, and the taxpayers will foot the bill once again!
an entirely plausible scenario.
November 14, 2009 - 10:36 ET by puredmashieimagine the outcome if everything ksm said after having been waterboarded is deemed inadmissable as evidence. the prosecutors won't have a case.
ksm will be acquitted, exit the courtroom to the cheers of terrorists worldwide and in attendance at the trial and then do a victory lap around the world. this will, of course, be after he has been given an international stage for vitriolic rants. the only consolation will be the mass exodus of democrats in the house and senate.
swing hard in case you hit it.
The Outcome?
November 14, 2009 - 11:55 ET by slickwillie2001"imagine the outcome if everything ksm said after having been waterboarded is deemed inadmissable as evidence. the prosecutors won't have a case."
Of course it won't. In fact when he was arrested in Pakistan he was not Mirandized, so anything he said since is inadmissible. Any physical evidence gathered at the time of the arrest is inadmissible, because it was not gathered using legal procedures used in the USA, records indicating the chain of possession have likely not been maintained, and the evidence might not even be in a secure lockdown.
Evidence given regarding KSM by other detainees is not admissible, because that information may have been gathered under duress, and may not have been properly recorded and witnessed. Electronic evidence gathered against KSM may not be admissible because it was gathered illegally according to US domestic courts.
Assistance in the arrest, and evidence provided by the government of Pakistan will likely not be admitted, because the Palistanis will refuse to send their people to the USA to testify. You can forget any further cooperation from Pakistan in chasing down any more al Qaeda if their personnel and procedures are exposed on international TV.
In the end, I don't see what evidence could possibly be admissible. He may very well go free. What will the idiot Obama do? Blame it all on President George W. Bush and the evil CIA of course.
and let's not forget the disclosure of terrorism secrets.
November 14, 2009 - 13:13 ET by puredmashieeven if the government wins its case it will be forced to disclose top secret information regarding how that information was gathered. it's a lose-lose situation any way you look at it.
swing hard in case you hit it.
Acquittal---
November 14, 2009 - 12:06 ET by matthewdeanallan:
Only the Times, Libs, and Dems, would bestow a five syllable word like magnanimity on the posprez; and most of them would probably think it meant "cool, suave, and debonair."
Only five syllable descriptive word I can think of that the LOTUS/TOTUS has earned is pusillanimous.
MD
"There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."
Mark Twain (1835-1910)
We've already seen one liberal president order the killing of
November 14, 2009 - 10:52 ET by CO2Makera foreign political official.
No, not Cuba and the Bay of Pigs. More recent: In the 2002 "Posse Comitatus" episode of West Wing, Pres. Bartlett, after struggling with how to deal with the foreign minister of a made-up nation, who was unmistakably involved in a failed terrorist attack on the Golden Gate Bridge. At the episode (the 2002 season's finale, so it's right after 9/11), the president orders the assassination, which is shown happening on a very private airfield in the Caribbean to the tunes of Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah."
No trial, no detention for that matter, just lead poisoning of a particularly abrupt and violent kind.
Clinton, convicted war criminal
November 14, 2009 - 09:59 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsEver since Bill Clinton was convicted of war crimes and sentenced to prison (which fact the MSM and the left has covered up) the left has wanted to convict any Republican for anything, anything, similar. Here's their chance.
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...damage wrought by former
November 14, 2009 - 10:03 ET by PeskyDane...damage wrought by former President George W. Bush."
Nice try. Any objective sentient human knows that it was left to W to reverse the damage done through the policy of retreat and surrender by the hate America first crowd.
Rush hits it right on the head when he states that the news industry is the only place where the customer is viewed not just always wrong, but stupid. The antique media still has not gotten the message that insulting your audience will only result in loss of revenue.
The customer is viewed not just always wrong, but stupid
November 14, 2009 - 10:16 ET by ThisnThatIt's not just the MSM. Any Government agency views its customers in the same light. DMV. Congress. The current president. Judges. Attorny generals. Dept of homeland security. State dept. They all view us as wrong and stupid.
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Sad to Say
November 14, 2009 - 10:05 ET by evilcontractorI never thought I would live to see a worse President than Jimmy Carter. It was really nice to see that Holder will insist on a "fair trail" before seeking the death penalty. I'm sure that will greatly relieve our Muslim friends in the world (if we have any). The really sad part of this is that Dumbo and Holder are too stupid to realize the damage of allowing this terrorist an international stage this trail will be for them to spew their dribble. Oh, it will only take one idiot juror that actually believes the CIA and President Bush are actually responsible for these men to "walk". Think about that next time you're in a voting booth.
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They aren't too stupid.
November 14, 2009 - 15:56 ET by AlanaThey aren't too stupid. They know the damage to us. They want it.
Damage Uncontrolled
November 14, 2009 - 20:02 ET by miss911ninjaI agree with you Alana. It almost seems as if they're setting the stage for a mistrial or an acquittal. Some of the evidence will be inadmissible because it was gathered while the defendant was "under duress." And our national security will be damaged by presentation of evidence regarding our intelligence operations. Shameful!
THIS IS TOTAL BS
November 14, 2009 - 10:10 ET by ricklailThese trials are going to be nothing but a media circus. Can you image how the camel jockey media is going to cover it? These are enemy combatants not your common dime store criminal. Holder is a first class ahole. His department is rife with these idiot libs that would rather see Bush and Cheney's names drug through the mud than see they get to meet the real God not the prophet of Baal-Allah.
Need to find Karl Rove's interview on Fox this morning and psot it.
Semper suprene nitens
There is no point dwelling on all the foolish mistakes we have made in our lives. For one thing, it can be very time-consuming. Dr. Thomas Sowell
Worse than a media circus
November 14, 2009 - 11:01 ET by CO2MakerWhich it will be, with all the networks with their live shots during the morning programs working themselves into a Bacchanalian frenzy with they thyrsus shaped microphones and pheromones wafting on the breeze...
Worse than trotting out the torture-by-ice-cream-headache or waterboarding-my-Koran.
The worst is the Valery Plame gambit:
"I cannot reveal the nature of what Mr. Muhammad told me." "Move to dismiss the charges."
or
"I am here to submit the finding of our interrogations to the court under seal" "Live from the Federal courthouse in Manhattan, according to sources close to the case, the U.S. learned the secret userid and password of Osama Bin Laden, three of his operational accounts and their PIN numbers, and the GPS identifiers of his camel and tents in Pakistan."
sheltered from the storm
November 14, 2009 - 10:10 ET by CatherwoodThe problem with writers who promulgate completely senseless, off-the-wall nonsense like this is that they have never experienced any real terror themselves. They may have seen terrorists acts and even reported on them, but they have never been the objects of terror themselves. If but once the editorialists could be the ones who were shot out or if but once they could be around when a suicide bomber attacks, then these guys wouldn't be so quick to criticize what George Bush did in the name of protecting the citizens of the USA. These writers sit in their plush offices and write judgements based on their intellectual interpretations of horrors that they are not part of. Had they been victims or had they ever experienced even a two minute firefight, they would never again be critical of waterboarding, Guantanomo, etc. They are typical liberals...all mouth and opinion, no fight, no balls.
Acquittal
November 14, 2009 - 10:21 ET by Kingfish17"I only confessed because I was tortured."
Case dismissed!
After Dismissal...
November 14, 2009 - 11:03 ET by Dan DiegoThey will file wrongful detention and torture lawsuits for hundreds of millions of dollars and Holder will comply with court orders to provide government files that support their cases.
Here's the other reason
November 14, 2009 - 10:18 ET by ThisnThatComments I heard last night also point to "Making the rest of the world view us in a better light". I think the NYT only has half the reason.
Note that nowhere does anyone -- and I mean anyone -- believe this is being done for the good of the people.
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I simply don't understand these people.
November 14, 2009 - 10:20 ET by casel21A treaty like Geneva Conventions is a multi-lateral contract: "we agree to certain things if you agree to certain things." It is not a unilateral declaration binding the country that makes the declaration: "we agree to certain things even if you don't" If that were the case why would anyone bother to agree -- we would impose the detriments upon ourselves without getting any benefits.
It now appears enemy combatants, not entitled to full Geneva protections, are entitled to greater protections than POWs -- all the constitutional protections of their enemy. This is suicidal.
I am sure that NYT editors or their loved ones will eagerly serve on the KSM's jury. Or is that just for little people?
Sick
November 14, 2009 - 10:24 ET by Gat New YorkWhile I have disagreed and certain Presidents I always believed that they were trying to do things in what they thought were in the best interests of the American people.
I do not think that obama is such a person. This shows a total disregard and respect for the families of the 9/11 victims and their memories.
By doing this Obama is showing Islamofacists that HE is not at war with them and that regards 9/11 as an isolated criminal act.
I believe that Obama is a clear and present danger to the United States and must be impeached as soon as republicans gain control in 2011.
Legacy
November 14, 2009 - 10:34 ET by Kingfish17I think most Presidents want to leave behind a Legacy, and there is nothing wrong with that. I think every President up until Obama, however, focused their legacy from an American viewpoint.
It's obvious that Obama, probably because of his upbringing and formative years being spent in an Islamic Madrasa, wants his to be a Worldwide Legacy, and I don't think he even cares if he does great damage to the United States, as long as he goes down in Worldwide History as one of the most famous men ever.
I also believe he is a tool
November 14, 2009 - 11:42 ET by Gat New YorkI also believe he is a tool of George Soros who also believes in on-world system. Soros placed the people and the resources around him to get him elected and make his decisions.
What they do not realize that when history is written many years from now and all of the politics is filtered out, the facts that remain is that Obama quickly brought the U.S. down to its lowest point in internattional standing in modern history or ever.
Kingfish17 is correct
November 14, 2009 - 11:51 ET by ekslibKingfish17 wrote: "It's obvious that Obama, probably because of his upbringing and
formative years being spent in an Islamic Madrasa, wants his to be a Worldwide Legacy,"
We need a new amendment, which would stipulate that candidates for the Office of Commander-in-chief
must not have spent 2 or more of their formative years in a foreign country
UNLESS their parent was concurrently posted in that country by the US government.
Yep disgracful
November 14, 2009 - 10:54 ET by general companyBy doing this Obama is showing Islamofacists that HE is not at war with them and that regards 9/11 as an isolated criminal act.
And showing the Islamic facists that he is at war with the American people.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
The only people still
November 14, 2009 - 11:44 ET by Gat New YorkThe only people still supporting this socialist are the minority of people who agree with him and political cowards in the Democrat Party who have their heads so far his a** they are clueless (i.e. Congressmen Steven Israel, Jerrold Nadler, and Anthony Weiner).
Good morning all~~
November 14, 2009 - 10:34 ET by BKeyserThis whole debacle around trying KSM in NYC is the result of a cowardice administration with a communal mentality. Holder is a disgrace. Obama is a coward. KSM will emerge as a new rallying cry. It's truly a shame that we let the kids be in charge for a while.
I haven't linked any photoshops here in a couple of weeks as I've been working with another blog on a project we're calling the Conservative Endowment for the Arts on a site managed by a long-time NB'er. This image hasn't been loaded there yet, but it is on my Flickr site. If you get a chance, please visit the CEA page, look around, and if you have any, submit your ideas. (Sorry for the push, but the site went live last night and we're hoping it gets some traction. I won't put this narative in any more comments.)
Is the OJ Jury still available???
November 14, 2009 - 10:46 ET by krendlerLet's pray that the jury doesn't get stacked with a bunch of angry, aggrieved, race-obsessed (religion obsessed?) mental midgets who decide to ignore all evidence and set a guilty man free in order to "make up" for past injustices.
Perhaps there's a reporter out there with enough guts to ask Obama "...and if Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is found not guilty? Then what?".
Usually, revisionist
November 14, 2009 - 10:46 ET by RR GOPUsually, revisionist history takes a few decades to whitewash or manipulate by the Leftist historians and others in academia.
But in the light of this BDS on hyperdrive, it's becoming a matter of only days!
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
If you thought the OJ and
November 14, 2009 - 10:59 ET by SickofLibsIf you thought the OJ and Jacko trials were three-ring circuses, you ain't seen nothing.
I'm sure we'll be seeing plenty of that idiot Savannah Guthrie standing outside the courthouse with a mike breathlessly awaiting KSM to pull up in his bulletproof Suburban.
Here's what we have to look forward to seeing ad nauseum - the "Holy Man's" new look. It's sure to garner plenty of sympathy from the usual MSM libtards:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/09/09/world/asia/09lede_ksm.350.jpg
This is a sick perversion of
November 14, 2009 - 11:00 ET by d1carterThis is a sick perversion of Americans' rights...
What ever happened to the
November 14, 2009 - 11:31 ET by rbosqueWhat ever happened to the adults who ran the NYT years ago?
On Friday's Larry King Live CNN's Wolf Blitzer substituted for
November 14, 2009 - 11:37 ET by Rush FanLarry King, and discussed the plan to try the accused 9/11 terrorist in New York City. One of his guests on that segment was Jamie Rubin, former State Department official in the Clinton administration (and husband of CNN's Christiane Amanpour). Here is a portion of that discussion:
BLITZER: Jamie Rubin, you understand what's going on right now. They could have been brought to the United States, perhaps to a military tribunal or a military commission. Instead they're going to the federal court system in New York City and a lot of people are pretty angry about that.
RUBIN: Well, this is a function of an election we had last year, in which President Obama made clear that his approach to the war on terrorism was not the Bush administration's approach. It was not to see these things all done through military commissions. It was not to keep people in Guantanamo indefinitely.[...]
This may turn out to be an opportunity for some people to get some of the justice they've been looking for for a long time and may show that the civilian court system can succeed in certain cases where the evidence is clear, is overwhelming and where you don't need to use all this secret evidence or evidence that's been obtained through the torture program of the Bush administration. [....]
There is a -- a problem. And problem is that the United States believes it is important that our standards of justice be restored after eight years of waterboarding and Guantanamo Bay and the events of Iraq and the prisons there. And that did great damage to the reputation of the United States as the -- the country that has used the rule of law as our benefit around the world.[....]
And that is that after eight years, we get the world to see our justice system operating properly and in accord with what the rest of the civilized countries of the world believe is the way to go.
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“Nobody believes what the mainstream media says now anyway. Except the uneducated, the illiterate, and the uninformed -- which, sadly, is a fairly large number” ~ Rush Limbaugh
"Well, this is a function
November 14, 2009 - 11:49 ET by Gat New York"Well, this is a function of an election we had last year, in which President Obama made clear that his approach to the war on terrorism was not the Bush administration's approach"
That is a lie. That is not what he ran on. They are trying to cloud facts with appearance and it is not working (see last election).
The fact that they are manipulating a serious and painful episode for political benefit will result in the complete downfall of the Democrat Party and Obama in 2010 and 2012.
They are going to deeply regret making this circus in New York.
Spot on.
November 14, 2009 - 12:12 ET by Free StinkerSpot on.
If da bomb don't fit u must acquit
November 14, 2009 - 14:00 ET by ZuccoZoidGet ready for OJ part II: Obama, Holder, et al will work to make them racial or cultural "victims" at our expense.
Now they get constitutional rights.
Now they can't be prosecuted because their "rights" were violated by coercion (waterboarding, etc.)
Therefore they must go free.
Making NYCity
November 14, 2009 - 11:49 ET by 10ksnookerThe biggest terror target on the planet. How cool is that?
That does it...
November 14, 2009 - 11:53 ET by ekslibwe're retiring someplace far away from Long Island.
DUMB!
November 14, 2009 - 12:09 ET by thedailyzing1.They will put New Yorkers in harms way.
2.Waste of tax payer money. Millions+
3.Burden on US court system.
4.Gives Terroists rights as a US citizen.
The liberals have officially lost their minds!
check out this write up on "Libs" it awesome!
http://thedailyzing.com/334/7-habits-of-highly-defective-liberals/
Daily.. yes. The
November 14, 2009 - 21:10 ET by celatorDaily.. yes.
The Obama/Holder decision was also motivated by the following goals:
1. Increase their efforts to criminalize the Bush Administration
2. Give aid and comfort to Jihadists all over the world
3. Create enormous chaos in our system of justice
4. Increase ratings for lefty MSM outlets
5. Divert public attention from the healthcare/cap and trade/acorn/backroom deals/destruction of the economy efforts of the Obama gang and the Congress
6. Destroy the effectiveness of the CIA and other intelligence agencies
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
War Trials
November 14, 2009 - 12:45 ET by DemonhunterWould any rational person, or even a liberal, think that Hitler or Tojo should have been brought to the USA to stand trial? John McCain's North Vietnamese torturers? The planner of Pearl Harbor (Admiral Yamomoto)?
It is patently absurd.
If it's not the Crusades, it's the cartoons
2 words about this
November 14, 2009 - 12:48 ET by BlondeReckless and Feckless.
Perfectly defines Obama & Holder, I think.
I hope he fails, too.
Holder - who defended Chiquita Banana - in death squad case
November 14, 2009 - 13:03 ET by Gary HallAG Eric Holder who, according to the Democratic Underground..
.. also has a bit of an interesting history here with his views on the holding, questioning and prosecution of the terrorists being held at Gitmo. Suffice it to say that as time has gone a long, his political view has changed with his new boss (the adolescent president); however, just a few years back it sure looked like he stood firm with Bush/Cheney. I'll give any person the right to come to a different decision over time (even though I - most people disagree with him) - however, it is the media which has the responsibility to get the historical facts on the table. Holder, this administration, and the media are out of line in labeling the Bush administration in any negative manner on these issues, when the people they are currently praising openly extolled much the same view in the past.
Eric Holder. His stated view (2002 interview on CNN), in arguing that these captured terrorists, should not be labeled POW's, nor afforded protection of the Geneva Convention, was (my bold):
Stop - Eric Holder has argued Bush's position. He continues:
So what changed? Simply the political environment - which is mostly steered by the MSM.
The media knows this. They literally conspired, silently amongst themselves, not to make this discussion and/or any meaningful intelligent discussion available to the audience of a very wanting American public. Quite sad, indeed.
Personally... my view is that a military tribunal be held in which it is determined if the evidence against them is overwhelming. If so, then they should be thereafter pretty much be locked up and held much as POW's for the duration - until Islam officially and universally declares the end of the Jihad against all others and all hostilities and hate preaching cease. During their confinment, as Holder argued, we would retain the right to question them as before.
(;~/ gary
Oba-Mao and U.S. Marxists will bury us
November 14, 2009 - 13:27 ET by j17ghsDemocrats control the legal system and denied our intelligence agencies the means to prevent 9/11. This happened over decades, but Jamie Gorelick, who was Janet Reno's handmaiden, was most responsible recently. ACLU-type lawyers prevented any meaningful investigations and stalled prosecution until Soros could buy the 2008 election; now they blame Bush, which is so ridiculous. The same sort of thing happened with Pearl Harbor and FDR, whose administration taunted and allowed the Japanese to attack us so they could crush Japan and allow Stalin into China and, today, our industries as well.
President Barry Oba-Mao is one of the most blatant of U.S. Marxists in recent history, but people should know that one of FDR’s vice presidents, Henry Wallace -- a New Deal architect whose Department of Agriculture employed the radical Communist spy Alger Hiss, became a presidential candidate and surrogate for the Communist Workers party in the 1947 election (in which Truman eventually defeated Tom Dewey).
Similar to the 9/11 trials now proposed, the smoke had barely cleared from World War II battlefields, when Wallace preached during the '47 campaign that “America will become the most hated nation in the world.” Wallace also visited the infamous Soviet Kolyma death camps where 12 million people perished throughout the gulag. He misrepresented prisoners there as “pioneers” who had “gone east to earn more money,” ignoring deliberate starvation, outright torture and conditions wholly inadequate to the brutally cold environment.
Why are the feds wasting money to prosecute camel-washers...
November 14, 2009 - 13:33 ET by R D Helm...who have already confessed?
I expect the incompetent boobs that make up the Holder "Justice" Dept. will botch this really, really badly, and I am not at all sure it will be an accident when it happens.
Bringing these dune-hopping barbarians to New York is one of the most irresponsible things I have ever seen a government agency do, as it is putting the lives of millions of New Yorkers in danger.
If a terrorist attack is carried out on that city while these stupid show trials are under way, Holder should be promptly arrested and the fraud that is Barack Hussein Obama (or whoever this person is) impeached the very next week.
-Dave
Our elected representatives have failed us.
the lives of millions
November 14, 2009 - 15:16 ET by Ten7sIslamic Terrorists on trial in NY (the largest focal point of their hatred), wire-to-wire second-by-second world media coverage, only a pure 24 carat gold IDIOT would do this.
Yep, like I said before
November 14, 2009 - 17:10 ET by BlondeReckless & Feckless.
I hope he fails, too.
Sadists
November 14, 2009 - 19:40 ET by miss911ninjaYes, RD, bringing the cut-throats to New York is irresponsible and it's also sadistic! The citizens will have to live with more than their usual fear of another attack. And the fear will mount if the "trial" drags on, since more time will create more opportunity.
If body parts are strewn across the streets of New York because of Obama's decision not to hold the trials at Gitmo, I guess he'll have to own it as his "mess." He "inherited" Gitmo. I don't think rejecting it will end well.
Former AG Mukasey is going
November 14, 2009 - 13:34 ET by bigtimerFormer AG Mukasey is going to be on Fox in about 3 minutes...going to be interesting what he has to say.
The NYTs can rot...I wished this sinking ship would go to the bottom soon...the seem to have people like the Mayor with them, The Jersey Girls are at it again...I wondered how long it would take before msnbc brought them out from under their rock.
If anyone is outraged as millions of us are, contact congressman Peter King (NY).
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Black Panther Treatment
November 14, 2009 - 13:54 ET by ZuccoZoidOnly one reason for this: Holder/Obama intend to free them, as they did with the odious Black Panthers who blatantly threatened white voters.
You simply can't make these kind of "mistakes" by accident.
"We the People" - American citizens - are the enemy now.
I just BARFED
November 14, 2009 - 14:21 ET by thedailyzingin my mouth reading how sympathetic the lib's are to these low-life American hating bastards...
Isn't weird how the lib's will stick up for terrorists, BUT they refuse to stick up for our troops and the women in the middle east whom our troops are freeing?
Did you all see "Word War III" from the boys at the Daily Zing? Check it out here: http://thedailyzing....
Surprised?
November 14, 2009 - 16:36 ET by the_capitalistLibs are also America-hating bastards. Both groups despise everything this country was founded upon. The only difference is how they want to go about realizing this hate.
Islamic terrorists want to use their religion while leftist socialists want to use political and social ideology to enslave free individuals.
*If you think I went too far on liberal reference consider this:
Lenin, Stalin, and Mao all seized power in the name of the "working class".
Surprised?
November 14, 2009 - 16:59 ET by the_capitalistLibs are also America-hating bastards. Both groups despise everything this country was founded upon. The only difference is how they want to go about realizing this hate.
Islamic terrorists want to use their religion while leftist socialists want to use political and social ideology to enslave free individuals.
*If you think I went too far on liberal reference consider this:
Lenin, Stalin, and Mao all seized power in the name of the "working class".
X
November 14, 2009 - 14:30 ET by serfer62Just another handout to trial lawyers...the biggest contributors to the Kommiecrat Party
Obama...They name is
November 14, 2009 - 14:31 ET by bigtimerObama...Thy name is Hypocrite!
Listen to this short video...from his own lips!
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
BT et al
November 14, 2009 - 14:42 ET by Noel SheppardBT et al,
This actually isn't the bombshell Naked Emperor claims.
Obama ended up voting against the Military Commissions Act being debated in this video. And, it was found un-Constitutional in 2008.
As such, this video to me is a few sentences possibly taken out of context, and somewhat meaningless given his subsequent vote and the Supreme Court's ruling against the Act.
This is why I chose not to write about this matter. Make sense? ns
I understand your point
November 14, 2009 - 14:46 ET by bigtimerI understand your point Noel, but words matter to me, and he is a hypocrite, no matter the outcome in my eyes.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
It actually can be a win-win for them.
November 15, 2009 - 01:30 ET by Michael30If they try terrorists in civillian courts and get a conviction, they can then say that they (Democrats/Liberals) can be tough on national defense issues.
If they try terrorists in civillian courts and don't get a conviction, they can blame it on how the previous administration captured and interrogated the "suspects." Not to mention the rules of evidence and all such things.
No matter what happens, they can spin it. They can claim success if there is a conviction, saying that we can treat terrorism like a common street crime, basically saying that there is no war on terrorism, only a plan against international crime.
They can also say that if they fail to secure a conviction that the previous administration broke the rules, and are therefore to blame. Either way, they look like the real law and order types, whereas Republicans broke the laws like a rogue police officer beating a suspect with disregard for the law, the law that glues our society together.
It's quite a gamble if they play it that way, but it could be an attack on what is considered a liberal weakness and a conservative strong point.
Personally, I hope this isn't true, it would sicken me to see national policy lowered to this type of thinking. Then again, I'm only 31, and I've seen worse.
Mike
Why waste the time and money?...
November 15, 2009 - 01:39 ET by MightyMouthJust let them go now!
"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"
anything good
November 15, 2009 - 06:58 ET by spepperif anything good would come of a public trial of KSM and the Sunshine Band, it might be documentation of the timeline of their presence in the United States, running around loose, during the time of the administration PRIOR to George W Bush's, and THEIR failure to deal with these characters BEFORE 9/11-- maybe that's what the NYT et.al. are really afraid of--