The average employer-sponsored premium for a family of four costs close
to $13,400 a year - 8% of $45,000 is only $3,600, this represents a
huge savings for a family.

employer-sponsored premium being the key words here, witch usually cost the family less then 8%, like I said.

But actually the CBO says its more like 15k per family with a subsidy of around 20%. So the family is on the hook for 15k, plus is forced through taxation to help with everyone's 20%.

From the CBO

Subsidies and Payments at Different Income Levels Under H.R. 3962
The enclosed table focuses on enrollees who purchase a “reference” plan (the premiums for
which equal the average of the three lowest-cost “basic” plans, as defined in the bill), because
federal subsidies would be tied to that average. Such a plan would have an actuarial value of
70 percent, which represents the average share of costs for covered benefits that would be paid
by the plan. Although premiums under H.R. 3962 would vary by geographic area to reflect
differences in average spending for health care and would also vary by age, the table shows the
approximate national average for that lower-cost reference plan—about $5,300 for single
policies and about $15,000 for family policies in 2016. Enrollees could purchase a more
expensive plan or more extensive coverage for an additional, unsubsidized premium—and CBO
anticipates that many enrollees would do that, so the average premiums actually paid in the
exchanges would be higher (although average cost-sharing amounts could be lower than those
shown in the table). The figures are presented for 2016 in order to illustrate the likely situation
after the proposed changes in insurance markets were fully implemented. (A downside of that
approach is that the figures are harder to compare with those observed in 2009.)

This was in the info I left for you, but I guess it is esier to shoot the messenger then to read it.

BTW, who is going to make up the difference, once everyone is on the Gov dole. Or are you naive enough to believe that the fed can provide health care for everyone for only $3600? 

Also consider the stark reality that an individual family purchasing
insurance (or a small business for that matter) currently pays a much
higher premium than the average due to the fact they're not part of a
large group.

Your preaching to the choir, if restrictions were lifted to allow them to compete, it would help lower rates. But it is not in this bill, know why? Because it would delay single payer. 

Then I see you link to the Republican plan for health care. The CBO
came out with their cost estimates on that a couple days ago - the CBO
conclusion, to put it politely, is that the Republican proposal is a
financial disaster, especially as compared to their analysis of the
Dems plan.

Really? More then the 3 trillion disaster the dems are sneaking past the public? Got a link?

And how about you don't link to Ryan Frazier and I won't link to
Barney Frank. the links to the opinions at the Examiner aren't so
helpful either.

And your link "This Bill isnt about health care" is to a bizarre
conspiracy theory. Does that crap really have a place in the debate on
Health Care. Name one conspiracy theory about Republicans that I have
ever advanced in one of my posts at NB. Speculation on the evils of
your opposition have no place in a debate.

Sorry guy, we dont shoot the messenger here, either debunk the claims or I will assume you cant. As much pure BS that is on the net about this bill, I have noticed the left doesn't discuss particulars about the bill, only that it will save mankind. 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

For its claims. You are still in denial, and calling me a fruit cake. Good luck with that,,,,,

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

So I repeat, how is it possible to have a reasonable debate with people
who use whacked out conspiracy theories as the basis of their argument?

Now, having personally determined we are incorrigible, it seems you personally indict yourself as a fool if you attempt further instruction of us.

I guess this is good-bye then.

Don't let the door hit you where the Good Lord Split you.

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

They "ram" the thing through exactly as Republicans
"rammed" through all of their bills between 1994 and 2007.  Don't
pretend that somehow this is different than standard procedure.

Name it, go ahead and tell us what the name of the extremely partisan bills that were passed during the period you mentioned.

 And this debate has been going strong for fifteen years, their's nothing new in this bill.

Nothing new huh? 2800 pages of nothing special eh? 155 new Gov bureaucracies are represented in the 2800 pages, but nothing new, interesting? Giving the IRS unprecedented powers to confiscate money without notice from your bank account to force you to pay what unelected officials deem you owe. 

 So I repeat, how is it possible to have a reasonable debate with people
who use whacked out conspiracy theories as the basis of their
argument?

Or a drone who believe what ever the srm and this bunch of charlatans tells you. Like CA said, I guess were finished.

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg