"The American dream is not totally dead, but it’s being pretty, it’s dying pretty fast...Horatio Alger would move to Europe these days."
So said New York Times columnist Paul Krugman Friday.
Appearing with disgraced former New York governor Eliot Spitzer on HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher," Krugman demonstrated perfectly why his perpertually pessimistic view of America is so revered by perpetually pessimistic liberals (video available here, partial transcript below the fold):
PAUL KRUGMAN, NEW YORK TIMES: On bad mornings I wake up and think that we are turning into a Latin American country. I mean, and there's some of that there. But on good mornings I think, well this is America, we have always in the past managed to, you know, to turn ourselves around, and there is an FDR just around the corner if we could only find him. I was kind of hoping Obama might be FDR, but maybe not. [...]
BILL MAHER, HOST: People with normal jobs, you know, a shop girl, they can't live on, in the America that this country has become. Like look at sitcoms, like the apartments that people have. You know, when, the people on "Friends." People would always look at that show and go, "They could never really afford that apartment."
KRUGMAN: I don't watch many sitcoms, but I actually watched "The King of Queens" on some airplane...and I immediately being who I am, I immediately said, "Can a guy who works at obviously UPS actually afford that, and I could find, so I checked where the neighborhood, no way. No way. Couldn't afford a third of that house. [...]
The American dream is not totally dead, but it's being pretty, it's dying pretty fast. You look at the numbers on social mobility, on the ability of people to move from modest or poor background up, the United States is way down the list. I mean, Horatio Alger would move to Europe these days. Much better chance of getting up in the scale in, in, in Finland or Sweden or France than the United States.
The stupidity on display here was staggering, even for Krugman.
Let's start with his assessment of what kind of a house the fictional couple on the sitcom "The King of Queens" might have been able to afford.
Showing how little he knows about what workers make in America, Krugman first misjudged how much UPS drivers earn. According to a February 2006 Reuters article, "The average UPS driver's annual salary of $55,000 can rise to $70,000 with overtime."
Because this fictional character resided in a high cost of living part of the country, maybe he made more than UPS's national average.
Beyond this, the fictional character's wife was a legal secretary for a Manhattan law firm. According to Indeed.com, that salary today would be $58,000.
And, according to Sterling's BestPlaces, the median home value in Queens is currently $431,000.
With this in mind, as "The King of Queens" first aired in 1998 well before real estate prices in America exploded, it doesn't seem at all incomprehensible that this fictional couple could have afforded that house more than eleven years ago.
But this wasn't the only inanity by Krugman, for his social mobility statement offered to support his view that the American dream is dying also lacked merit.
For those not familiar, social mobility in its simplest form is one generation's ability to move up the income ladder from that of the previous generation's. America doesn't rank very high in this regard as the offspring of the well-off typically do better financially than children of lower income brackets.
Sociologists and economists have numerous explanations for this, most notably the differing caliber of primary and secondary educations afforded different wage earners.
However, the question is what this mobility in different countries gets the residents.
For instance, regardless of the lack of such mobility, per capita income in America is far greater than in Finland, Sweden, and France.
In fact, using the purchasing power parity model -- meaning income adjusted for a nation's cost of living -- America ranks eleventh in the world at $46,970/year.
By contrast, Sweden is 22nd at $38,180, Finland is 31st at $35,660, and France is 34th at $34,400.
As such, these three nations might have more social mobility, but their average citizen earns far less cost of living-adjusted money than the average American does.
With this in mind, where would you rather live and dream?
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.




















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Noel, would you say that you
September 26, 2009 - 16:44 ET by criticalthinkingNoel, would you say that you were perpetually pessimistic about Obama?
"Pessimism" is an outlook
September 26, 2009 - 21:09 ET by G. May"Pessimism" is an outlook on the future. The judgments passed on Obama are on his present and past performance.
I know you're a troll, but you can do better.
CT
September 27, 2009 - 00:40 ET by Noel SheppardCT,
Not at all. Of late, I'm growing quite optimistic about his presidency. Honestly.
Let me elaborate if you don't mind:
Furthermore, as a result of all of the above, I expect the Left's mission to eliminate opposing opinion via the reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine will fail.
Maybe most importantly, when it becomes clear just how inept and incompetent Obama is, and how unqualified he was to be President, America will rethink the roll corrupt media outlets played in his election. This will result in further radical declines in the readership and viewership of said outlets making it far less possible so-called journalists will ever be able to decide an election again.
Add it all up, and I'm quite optimistic; thank you for asking. ns
Krugsy Boy happens to be
September 27, 2009 - 11:22 ET by Mitchell BlattKrugsy Boy happens to be right. Why is it supposed to be an insult to label him pesimistic?
We have a financiar-government industrial system that exploded the prices of homes and other goods and created an artificial economy for years.
We have Social Security and Medicaid and other entitlements bankrupting the country.
We have a $12 billion national debt and over $50 billion in unfunded liabilities.
And to top it all off, we now have the baby-boomers who drove the economy in recent years retiring and no crop to replace them.
Well see if the American Dream can survive under all of these strains and the presidency of Body Odor.
If Edison were to invent the light bulb today, the head- lines would read, '200,000 candle makers lose their jobs.'
get the memo?? in Obamastan SSR the billions are trillions!!
September 27, 2009 - 11:36 ET by PaarlPaarl of Rhodesia
"....The American dream is
September 26, 2009 - 16:47 ET by GregE"....The American dream is not totally dead, but it's being pretty, it's dying pretty fast....."
And of course, to Krugman, that's because of Capitalism, as if the Obama knows anything about that. To Krugman and the Left, it's Socialism that we should be the goal.
He's definitely an example on the side of why nobel prizes in economics are bunk.
Dream Dying, Blame Obama
September 26, 2009 - 17:08 ET by allanfIf the American Dream is dying, look no further than Barack Obama. He is not a person who shares the American dream. His vision is different.
Obviously
September 26, 2009 - 16:48 ET by the strugglerThe American Idiot is not dead either.
Not only not dead, but
September 26, 2009 - 16:52 ET by GregENot only not dead, but having total power in our government and running the show.
I think I remember on
September 26, 2009 - 16:59 ET by muh-oonI think I remember on Friends that the apartment belonged to Monica's grandmother and was kept on some kind of fixed rent. I believe she inherited it from her grandmother and it was explained why she could afford it.
The dream is gone
September 26, 2009 - 17:00 ET by cajun2Could the lost dream be gone due to "rationing" in the economy like with health care? Or is it "spread the wealth".
SLAYING THE DREAMER...
September 26, 2009 - 21:25 ET by danybhoySocialism/progressivism/marxism/statism/communism all end up with the same result, a crappy economy. Comand control systems do not work, & they never have. Anyone preaching Keynesian economics is an idiot. Krugman & his mindset will kill the American dream. Because money always goes where it is treated best, & right now, America is no place to invest it.
"...How blind can you be, don't you see...
...that the gambler lost all he does not have..."
Nightwish
My Comments
September 26, 2009 - 17:15 ET by Tugboat Phil1. Krugman does have the right premise, but the American Dream is dying because of policies that he favors.
2. Krugman is oblivious to life outside of Manhattan.
3. Krugman is a world class D-bag.
Gun Control - The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.
Krugman's a Crook.
September 26, 2009 - 17:21 ET by flyingmonkeyPaul Krugman should know. As a $50K a year consultant on the Enron advisory board, he did his part to make sure that the little guy had no disposable incoming after paying his energy bills.
That'll keep 'em in their place! Huh Paul.
Nobel Prize Winner
September 26, 2009 - 17:27 ET by VengeanceIsMineThank God this guy is not in charge, if we followed his advice, we be 20 trillion in the hole by now. This guy would spend so much money he doesn't have he would embarass Keynes himself.
"You cannot spend your way out of recession or borrow your way out of debt." Daniel Hannan
A point not on his head
September 26, 2009 - 17:47 ET by DustBunny01Paul Krugman does have a point, the American Dream of home ownership is in serious difficulty - which is rather obvious in that we are about to drop into a "W" recession.
Our government is currenly trying to find a way to bail out the banks holding commercial real estate as that market is on the brink simply due to the recession. Because of the requirement by the fed that the banks obtain private financing prior to the bail out, some (if not most) of these banks will start to sell stock. Once that happens, the fed will want a piece of that stock and we get a repeat of GM without the union.
The more govt intrudes into the private sector, the more inclined people are to sit and wait it out rather than engage in commerce - which is what builds an economy.
Anyone going to label Krugman a racist?
September 26, 2009 - 17:48 ET by Gary HallAnyone going to label Krugman a racist?
Goodness. Had a conservative said that.. they'd be all over it.
(;~/ gary
Gary
September 26, 2009 - 17:54 ET by FeynmanFanHow can you call someone who looks like a demented Keebler Elf a racist?
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
Feynmanfan
September 26, 2009 - 18:05 ET by Gary Hall..well..it's Sat., and I'm feeling a bit demented today for not getting enough done. HA!
(;~> gary
Gary
September 26, 2009 - 18:23 ET by FeynmanFanI've been very busy today monitoring college football and major league baseball games. Tomorrow it's the NFL and NASCAR.
I'm going to be exhausted Monday morning...
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
FF....I'm ROTFLMAO at......................
September 26, 2009 - 18:31 ET by BEGRUNT"How can you call someone who looks like a demented Keebler Elf a racist?" Thank you for adding a laugh to my day!! :-)
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
BEGRUNT
September 26, 2009 - 18:41 ET by FeynmanFanI thought I was just pointing out the obvious... ;)
Glad you got such a kick out of it.
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
SHORT PEOPLE...
September 26, 2009 - 21:11 ET by danybhoyBetween Paul Krugman, Robert Reich, the Keebler Elves, & the Travelocity Gnome, I can't tell the difference. I'm just saying.
"...How blind can you be, don't you see...
...that the gambler lost all he does not have..."
Nightwish
Krudman
September 26, 2009 - 18:53 ET by rockyracoonThis B!tch needs a good B!tch slapping. He has a face for it, and more likely than not got b!tch slapped a lot growing up.
No kidding!
September 26, 2009 - 22:13 ET by thestalkinghorseIs that his face? I thought he had shaved his a$$ and turned around.
It's dying because Obama is about to complete what the left...
September 26, 2009 - 19:15 ET by R D Helm...started working toward well over 100 years ago.
-Dave
I agree with Rush. It's time for Obama to resign.
Doofus Krugman
September 26, 2009 - 19:20 ET by MrShyWhat, pray tell, has been THIS moron's idea of the "American dream" all these years?
He friggin' sides with the ideological party that wants NO PART of the "American dream" (well, every real American's idea of it, that is...)
I think we need to
September 26, 2009 - 19:26 ET by Dan The Man 2I think we need to understand what the American dream is. IMO it is the freedom to be able to better oneselvf or family, not only in monetary but in other intangibles. What was the American dream for those who first came here, besides the treasure hunters? It was varied but it was mostly freedom to do what they wanted to do.
The dream included no gaurentee of success or that one will not totally fail, in fact it was certain if one did not put forth effort one would not succeed. The dream did not guarentee all was equal, in fact it IMO it just meant you had a chance.
I think Krugman warps or completely forgets what teh dream is. Or perhaps he thinks it is equality among all and we shall recieve according to our need.
Dan very well said! I
September 26, 2009 - 20:02 ET by Radical1979Dan very well said! I would add that the dream was almost for the next generation to have a chance. The people who came here hoped to work hard and educate their children or acquire land so that the next generation would prosper. It was based on work and sacrifice, not cell phones and large screen HD tvs.
Paul, et al: The Euroweenies are awaiting you with open arms...
September 26, 2009 - 19:29 ET by wnaegele..so beat it!
Opportunity is almost as dead as it was in 1932
September 26, 2009 - 19:43 ET by TheHistorianLook at the history of opportunity in the Roosevelt administration, and compare it to what we have now. Krugman is correct; opportunity is almost dead in the US, and the liberals have killed it in the name of equal outcomes, rather than equal opportunity. It's YOUR buddies, Paul, that have killed opportunity. Glad you recognize it. Now all you need to do is affix the blame where it belongs; Reid, Pelosi, Obama, Frank, Schumer, and the list goes on.
"What experience and history teach is
this - that people and governments never have learned anything from history,
or acted on principles deduced from it."
G. W. F. Hegel
The American dream is dying
September 26, 2009 - 20:06 ET by M.LucatraThe American dream is dying because of knuckleheads like Paul Krugman. They give incentives to stay poor and not work, and wonder why people don't work instead of taking the handouts. Why work 40 hours a week to only make 50-100 dollars more per week? There is a sad sence of entitlement in this country that the youth is not going to be shaking anytime soon (I'm saying this as a 23 year old who, thanks to my great parents sending me to a private highschool, has seen this first hand throughout college).
We're not rewarding sucess, rather rewarding medicority.
My American dream is all
September 26, 2009 - 20:32 ET by jkwtradingMy American dream is all liberals feel like Adolf Hitler did on April 12 th 1945,, All alone, and their dreams of social conquest shattered
The American Dream is Dying
September 26, 2009 - 20:38 ET by justbob223Yeah, and it is Krugman and his ilk who are killing it.
"and I immediately being
September 26, 2009 - 20:41 ET by d1carter"and I immediately being who I am, I immediately said"
What is Kruggie? Evil clown? Demented weasel? What?
Projection
September 26, 2009 - 21:08 ET by Forbin001Krugman is projecting the failing New York Times here....the American Dream is very much alive....the New York Times is very much dead.
NY Snobbs
September 26, 2009 - 21:43 ET by charlietexasHe should come to Texas....very affordable for UPS drivers and people in all of median income brackets.
Hey maybe that is why people are actually moving OUT of NY?
For as much as they say our
September 26, 2009 - 21:47 ET by Radical1979For as much as they say our standard is declining I see a lot of people with cell phones, new model cars, and Coach purses. I doubt they are all carrying fake Coaches like I am, for those of you who don't know, Coach bags can cost upwards of $300. So things aren't quite as bad for everyone as they say.
His advice didn't work too well for Enron either.
September 26, 2009 - 22:09 ET by thestalkinghorseI didn't know he appeared on TV. I though he just wrote for the Times and worked at Princeton. Pretty daring of him to appear in public. I'll have to watch to see how they script it so he avoids taking difficult questions.
And Krugman's God Obama is
September 26, 2009 - 22:57 ET by nadadhimmiAnd Krugman's God Obama is killing it as fast as possible.
So is Krugman on the
September 27, 2009 - 09:34 ET by Kat Outta the BagSo is Krugman on the American Dream Death Panel?
u didn't get the memo...in Obamastan ssr..the billions are trill
September 27, 2009 - 11:33 ET by Paarlions
Paarl of Rhodesia