Mythbuster: Calling the President Hitler Isn't Inciting Assassination

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Since the Tea Parties began and the anti-government sentiment boiled over into town hall meeting protests, a consistent media meme has been that some of the signs present as well as the rhetoric have been inciting violence against Barack Obama.

As my colleague Geoffrey Dickens previously reported, MSNBC's Chris Matthews Tuesday actually warned talk radio hosts that they would pay if anything actually happens to the President.

Of course, on MSNBC, this isn't anything new, for the August 7 installment of "The Rachel Maddow Show" featured the host asking her guest, "Do you think that calling the president a Nazi, calling the president Hitler is an implicit call for politically motivated violence?"

With this in mind, Paul Williams created a marvelous video essay using the audio of Maddow's program that day with an overlay of pictures and footage of demonstrations when George W. Bush was president.

The result is an extraordinarily powerful demonstration of how hypocritical the current liberal media position is concerning this matter (video embedded below the fold with partial transcript, h/t Political Integrity Now):

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RACHEL MADDOW, HOST: Yesterday, we played a tape of a Republican congressman joking about lynching Democratic members of Congress. Now, it`s conservative national radio hosts calling the President Hitler and conservative national television hosts joking about assassinating the speaker of the House of Representatives.

Right wing media deliberately and systematically invoking both Nazism and political assassination; hostile crowds consistently displaying Nazi symbolism at these demonstrations; the corporate-funded anti-reform movement using Hitler as a rhetorical weapon against the president and against Democrats in Congress -- it`s scary, of course, if they don`t understand the implications of their actions. And it`s much, much scarier, still, if they do.

Joining us now is Frank Schaeffer. He`s the author of "Crazy for God: How I Grew Up As One of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right, and Lived to Take All or Almost All of It Back."

Mr. Schaefer, thank you so much for coming back on the show tonight.

FRANK SCHAEFFER, AUTHOR, "CRAZY FOR GOD": Thanks for having me on, Rachel.

MADDOW: Do you think that calling the president a Nazi, calling the president Hitler is an implicit call for politically motivated violence?

SCHAEFFER: Yes, I do. In fact, this rings a big bell with me because my dad, who was a right-wing evangelical leader, wrote a book called "A Christian Manifesto" that sold over a million copies. And in that book, he compared anybody who was pro-abortion to the Nazi Germans and he said that using violence or force to overthrow Nazi Germany would have been appropriate for Christians, including the assassination of Hitler. He compared the Supreme Court`s actions on abortion to that and that has ban note that has been following the right-wing movement that my father and I helped start in evangelical context all the way.

So, what`s really being said here is two messages. There is the message to the predominantly white, middle-aged crowd, the people screaming at these meetings, trying to shut them down. But there`s also a coded message to what I would call the "looneytunes," the "fruitloops" on the side.

It`s really like playing Russian roulette. You put a cartridge in the chamber, you spin, and once in a while it goes off. And we saw that happen with Dr. Tiller. We`ve seen it happen numerous times in this country with the violence against political leaders whether it`s Martin Luther King or whoever it might be. We have a history of being a well- armed, violent country.

And so, really, I think that these calls are incredibly irresponsible. The good news is that it shows a desperation. The far- right knows they have lost. They`ve lost the hearts and minds of most American people, for instance, who want health care.

But they also know they have a large group of people who are not well-informed, who listen to only their own sources, who buy the lies, for instance, all this nonsense about euthanasia being mandatory and all the rest of it, and these people can be energized to go out and do really dreadful things. And we`ve seen it in front of abortion clinics. I`m afraid we`re going to see it with some of our political leaders.

And the Glenn Becks of this world literally are responsible for unleashing what I regard as an anti-democratic, anti-American movement in this country that is trying to shut down legitimate debate and replace it with straight out intimidation. It is ironic they`re drawing a parallel to Hitler.

I wouldn`t draw such a parallel, but I would draw a parallel to the Brown Church (ph) of 1930s who got into a habit of shutting down dissent and making it look as if they had a majority by spreading out in groups just as these folks do, screaming the loudest and making debate impossible.

So, these are very, very bad signs and I`m not at all optimistic about how this is going to end in terms of violence, although I do think Obama is going to win the day in terms of most Americans.

The problem is, we`re not talking about most Americans, we`re talking about a small, angry group of white people who to -- you know, to paraphrase Bart Simpson, the election broke their brains. They`re angry. And they are ready to do just about anything to stop the process at this point because they`d rather see us all lose than admit defeat.

MADDOW: Mr. Schaeffer.

SCHAEFFER: That`s where they`re at.

MADDOW: . one of the reasons that I wanted to talk to you about this tonight is because what you describe as the potential that this could be a coded message. What we`re seeing here is vituperative language like this from some members of Congress, from some people who are considered to be relatively mainstream, within conservative politics.

But we`re also seeing it from movement organizers, from people who are organized, like this Americans for Prosperity group. It`s a very well- connected group. We have the president of that organization on the show last night. He`s a former political strategist partner of Ralph Reed. He`s up in the Jack Abramoff scandal. I mean, these people who are -- he was the campaign strategist for George Bush`s primary campaign for president in 2000 -- these are people who are very much linked into the conservative movement.

And so, what I`m trying to get down to is the question of whether or not this is a deliberate coded message, whether this is sort of a dog whistle that`s going out on the right by using specific language about Nazism, it is a specific call for violence?

SCHAEFFER: Yes, I would like to just say this and I know this may come off as a little harsh to people, but I honestly think that there is a type of white middle-aged American male, I`m a white-middle aged -- well, I wish I was middle-aged, I`m over middle age -- but a white male about my age who has had a kind of mental collapse. I mean, you look at the way they went after Sotomayor and called her a racist. You look at them now using all these foundations and these groups, lobbyists and others pouring millions of dollars from the insurance industry and stirring up misinformed, right-wing white people, not terribly bright people, the sort of people who are yelling at these meetings.

There is a coded message here. And that is that you have a group of people who like Rush Limbaugh would rather see the president and the country fail, and their coded message to their own lunatic fringe is very simple -- and that is go for broke.

When you start comparing a democratically-elected president, who is not only our first black president but a moderate progressive, to Adolf Hitler, you have arrived at a point where you are literally leading -- leaving a loaded gun on the table, saying the first person who wants to come along and use this, go ahead. Be our guest.

Now, all these people, when something bad happens, will raise their holy hands in horror and say, of course, we didn`t mean that. We were just talking about being Americans. It`s American to protest.

B.S. They know exactly what`s out there. There is a whole public there who went out and stopped up on ammunition and guns thinking Obama would take away their weapons. One such person shot down three policemen in Pittsburgh. I`d like to know exactly what Glenn Beck and FOX News will say the morning after someone takes a shot at our president or kills a senator or congressman.

And if it`s one of the people who we find a little note in their car or the literature or their television watching habits whose tied to these people who are stirring the pot, or tied to these foundations that people, like Dick Armey, are running, trying to use insurance company money to make look this fake grassroots movement then -- then we`ll see what happens. But at that point we`ll be in a new zone and it`ll be too late.

So, my warning to my old friends on the right and those who read my book, "Crazy for God," knows that without the work of my father, Dr. C. Everett Koop and myself, there would have been no pro-life movement, no religious right to be fomenting these things from, it`s the same cast of characters. I came to a place in my life when I realized I had made a big mistake.

Now, we`ve crossed a line into which hate and vitriol have gone to a point where it is anti-democratic and anti-American. These people do not want America to succeed. They would rather see our system go down than have a black president, someone with different political views, someone appointing people like Sotomayor, Hispanic people, women and others. And we have arrived at a point where enough is enough.

So, these people are hatemongers, and they are distributing a kind of information on two levels. One the lies about the health care system requiring euthanasia and all this nonsense, but on another level, as I say leaving a loaded gun on the table, they`re calling our president Hitler, they`re spreading this rhetoric, they`re spreading these lies.

It isn`t just a question of being bad journalists anymore. These are bad Americans, and they are putting all of us at risk.

MADDOW: Frank Schaeffer, author of "Crazy for God" -- thank you very much for coming on the show. Mr. Schaeffer, we really appreciate your insight. Thanks.

Nice job, Paul. Bravo!

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.


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Natalie Nichols....I love

Natalie Nichols....I love you.  Brilliant, absolutely brilliant!

Another excellent example of the Conservative Media Revolution.

 

http://www.pelicanmarsh68.blogspot.com

Hear! Hear!

Excellent work. 

Thank you.

Correction:  Thank you,

Correction:  Thank you, Paul Williams, for this awesome video!  Sorry, but I am not going to say I love you like I did for Natalie.  That would be gross.

But I will throw you a high-five.  Rock on, Paul.

 

http://www.pelicanmarsh68.blogspot.com

Forget swine flu, but watch out for....

Rachel Madcow disease!

Its interesting to see how

Its interesting to see how Maddow let this guest have the floor to get his screed out with no interruptions.  Had it been an opposing view, kind of like they do on Fox, I'm sure we would have seen her behaving in a much different way.

"they`re calling our president Hitler" - you got that straight, chief.  They did it from 2000 to 2009 as well.  Where is your analysis of that?

Calling the President Hitler?

"Do you think that calling the president a Nazi, calling the
president Hitler is an implicit call for politically motivated violence?"

Un, no. And we have verifiable proof. The fascist left has been calling "W" a Hitler (sorry, worse than Hitler) for nearly a decade. Violence based on these truly hateful comments? Zero.

One thing you can always count on from Rachel and the progressive politburo: they are whining crybabies of the first order, but the diaper that needs changing is their very souls.

It isn't inciting

It isn't inciting assassination, but it's remarkably stupid.

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

It would be nice...

....to have all the MSM types, but particularly those from MSNBC, locked in a room for 10 minutes, have them watch the video and then ask for their reaction.

Prester John

Great idea, but they'll say Bush DESERVED it because of his policies and they'll quote the Hillary screed about being able as Americans to protest against any administration. The point being, they're entitled to the protections of the Constitution since they're "right" thinking progressive elites, while us conservative prols, have no knowledge or appreciation of these ideas so therefore they don't apply to us. I wonder, do you think Maddow and MoDo are energizer or duracell users?

LOL

That's cold, and you are right the MSNBC folks would say, "That's different, Bush WAS Hitler".

 What a bunch of maroons.

Not so bright

They already used their disclaimer, that we're "right wing white people, not very bright...".

Hence the difference:  Lefties can talk about it, because that's all they do, talk talk talk...no action.

Righties, however, say it once, maybe twice, and then, it's "hammer time" baby...let's get busy.

side note:  that's the first time I've ever listened to that woman.  I wish I hadn't.  What an idiot.  She's just taking up valuable space and using up good oxygen. 

→ Strong message

Thanks.  I paused Obammy's speech to the hyenas to watch it.

Rachel Maddow leads a very good propaganda message until it's laid out alongside the facts. 

Look, I know Eli Manning had

Look, I know Eli Manning had a great game last weekend, but it doesn't mean we have to listen to this propaganda.

We is done.

    This is why they invented the internet. It all led up to here. The years and years of research. The billions of dollars invested. Culminating in this smackdown of all smackdowns layed on the Maddow. Al Gore would be proud his interwebs child produced this.

  No point in carrying on now. It don't get better than this. Somebody tell google. We are shutting her down. The internet experiment has come to a close and this cherry of a video on top of the intertubes ice cream proved it all a success.

 Noel, you turn off the server, Cool Arrow will pull the plug, I will get the lights.

  We is done.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

This is the sweetest sweetest sweetest video I have seen evah.

   I will go to the deep deep deep south and use this video to make my sweet tea and sell it on the sidewalk. 

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

JWF

 Come on down JWF and bring your tea, I'll make us some homemade sweetdough  cookies to  go with it.

excellent

Thank you Noel and Paul!

All that's left now is for

All that's left now is for Barry Bonds to explain to us why this isn't what it looks like it is...

 

"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error.  To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson

Wait a sec...

I thought no one was acting out of order at these events.

I thought everyone showed "class" at these events.

I thought it was all a liberal construct. 

So now the Right admits - we act bad, BUT it won't get anyone killed. 

welcome back, Mr. Steroids

why don't you remind us again why women shouldn't be allowed to vote.

 

Nope, Barry

The right is saying nobody got killed when the left was calling President Bush Hitler and calling for him to be killed.  If there was nothing to worry about then, why should it be any different now?

These are both just cases of people exercising their right to free speech, right?

 

"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error.  To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson

How about this barry

I say that Chairman Obama is NOT Hitler and I apologize for all those acting badly and calling him that. They don't know what they are talking about and they are way off base.

Actually, he is a Racist and a Bigot and a Socialist, Fascist who is intent on converting my America into a type of Cuba. He is an American Hating, Black Theologist who hates white people AND America and is bent on tearing down America and handing it over to people who have sat on their A$$e$ all their lives and now want to cut off the hand that has fed them.

I for one, (and there are millions more like me), will be making sure that he does not succeed. I took an oath to defend America from all enemies, both foreign and domestic, which your Chairman Obama falls under the classification of domestic enemy. WE will succeed; HE WILL NOT!

ANY QUESTIONS? 

Hey steroid bro, where were you when Obama's union goons...

...were beating up a black conservative while calling him a n*gger to his face?

I am guessing you found this to be perfectly acceptable, as you have had absolutely nothing to say about it.

After all, you and your hero commie Obama view black conservatives as little more than escaped slaves, don't you?

-Dave

I agree with Rush. It's time for Obama to resign.

Did you SEE the video, pal?

FIVE STRAIGHT MINUTES of NONSTOP Bush/Hitler comparisons.

EVERY ONE of them from the LEFT.

If I were a Democrat and watched this, I'd have run, not walked, to my local Supervisor of Elections and changed my party.

Not you. You're just FINE with the Left calling for the murder of President Bush.

It's no problem for YOU to defend those who routinely compare Bush to Hitler and call for bombing him.

A leftwing lunatic waves a poster saying, 'I'M HERE TO KILL BUSH (SHOOT ME)', and you just yawn.

You're too busy combing Tea Party rally photos for left wing LaRouche photos of Obama or tiny scribbles on cardboard that can be twisted in your twisted mind into a swastika that you can triumphantly post as evidence the entire right wing is made up of closet Klan members.

Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.

Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?

Tailgunner, you are the

Tailgunner, you are the first one to state what should have been in the very first comment: it was the Lyndon LaRouche people who showed up with the poster of Obama as Hitler.  LaRouche is a Trotskyite communist, who six or seven times ran as a Democrat for the candidacy of President of the United States.  He ran once on the Green Party ticket.  I also have to wonder if the swastika spray painted on the sign in front of the Democrat Representatives office (in Georgia?) was not in fact done by a Democrat.  Madcow is projecting big time.

"A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."  Ronald Reagan

MikeB...

Let's face facts:  LaRouche is neither a mainstream lib/Dem, nor a mainstream conservative/Republican.  He's an ideologically inscrutable nutjob.  Some consider him far right, others far left, but, in any event, LaRouche is an aberrant political pariah in the view of both of the two major parties. 

Jer

But LaRouche, obviously, can be USEFUL at times.

;=D

Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.

Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?

Why does everyone react to

Why does everyone react to "One Comment Then Gone" Bonds? He gets more feedback from his provocations than almost any other troll here. 

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

Good question!

EOM

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

EOM

Maybe it should be Barry "One Comment Then EOM" Bonds! Works for me.

Gary

If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace. -- Tom Paine

Coded Message?

"There is a coded message here. And that is that you have a group of people who like Rush Limbaugh would rather see the president and the country fail, and their coded message to their own lunatic fringe is very simple -- and that is go for broke."

Coded Message?  Really?  OK, look, somebody needs to bring me up to speed here...I mean, I'm with YOU guys on this, and I need to notify someone in "the organization" that I never received my code book, super spy decoder ring, or any secret messages on my answering machine!  What's up with that?  Somebody clue me in!  Hello?  Hello?  Anybody? 

you don't seem to understand!

That was disrespect and protesting of a republican president, which is completely acceptable in fact celebrated by the liberal media. To liberals Freedom of speech is only allowed by people who share their same views, anything else is considered forbidden.

NEED WE KNOW MORE?

 

NEED WE KNOW MORE?

“9.23.09… Fidel Castro praises Obama…”

To be loved by thugs and dictators is always a goal of the modern guilt-ridden pacifist liberal (aka secular socialist)…
J. Carter Obama, the strident secular socialist…marches on…as if speeches solve problems and weakness is strength,
daily fawning and pandering that breaks all American political records…

and 3 more years of this insanity, this lying, this distortion of
reality, this bad economy, this expanding federal gov-meant etc….
keep in mind the modern liberal has no limits, no ethics and no logic but has the votes now.

Has that deep queasy feeling you got last spring gone away yet?

http://conservablogs...

Doug Schexnayder, Ph.D. (theconservativecrawfish)

The sound of Frank

The sound of Frank Schaeffer's pompous, whiny, effeminate voice is about enough to incite normal, straight males to violence.  The right wing has nothing to do with it, either.  Most men just can't stand cowardly little loudmouthed sissies. 

What a group of Buffoons

retspook

This was a magnificent piece of work.  Truthfully I cannot see how MSNBC and NBC can stay on the air.  The Rachel Maddow's and Chris Mathew's of this world are shameless but I am not surprised at any of this.  These people are an ambarrassment to this Country and they make me want to regurgitate   While writing this I am listening to BHO sell this country down the drain at the United Nations.  New York should close the United Nations Building and urn it into a Homeless shelter.  It would serve the population much better.

Thanks for the article and thanks for that video--

Though I couldn't bear to finish it.  I'm so sick of in-your-face leftist racism...this guy must have said "white people" fifty times.

 I detest the empty-headed Man Cow of MSNBC. 

Wow! Paul! Noel!

This is hot stuff you guys - kudos!!! This is what real news is all about - the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Hot damn!  Exposing these liberal bunnies for the fakes they are, this is even sweeter than "sweet tea!"

 

Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread... ~Thomas Jefferson

Quite the powerful vido production..

Quite the powerful video production..

Interesting to note that this effort only focused on the "Hitler -Nazi" / Bush syndrome from the 90's, with a little "Kill Bush" thrown in. There was also the Joker/Devil/Satan/911 conspiracy crowd/ etc.

Unfortunately, as excellent a piece as this is, it did not address the counterpart to some of what Maddow was whining about; her current perception that so much of this is coming from the right-wing media and certain conservative persons and groups. The video only focused on your average angry ignorant white progressive folks in the streets.

The evidence of hypocrisy seems to be abundant here on two important counts:

1.) The progressive led MSM is leading the way in the past 12 months during this Obama era, with the vile, angry, ugly and mostly untrue efforts.

2.) This same progressive led MSM, during the Bush years, was broadly more out front with their own personal vendetta of hate, angry, vile and ugly and mostly untrue public attacks on President Bush, VP Cheney and the administration. 

Of course numerous folks associated with Hollywood are included in #'s 1 & 2 above.

(;~/ gary

"I am sick and tired of

"I am sick and tired of those who say that if you debate and disagree
with this administration you are somehow unamerican. Well I say we are
americans and we have a right to debate and disagree WITH ANY
ADMINISTRATION!!!!!"
- HIllary Clinton (with voice rising to a maniacal screech)

I'm sorry, I couldn't get

I'm sorry, I couldn't get past Maddow's sickening sanctimony to watch the photo illustrations that proved it.

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

Disable the sound

Excellent work by Mr. Williams, but the insipid soundtrack is extremely hard to take. It's better with the audio disabled.

Amazingly, the shameless media hypocrisy seems to get worse with each election cycle.  You'd think they would have hit rock bottom by now, however,as John Belushi might say: "BUT NO!"

On my blog, I've compiled a list of specific instances of "disparate treatment" of the right and left in the media. Part 2 is coming soon.

http://ingeneralcounsel.blogspot.com/2009/08/media-bias-and-sounds-of-silence-and.html