Gingrich Explains How Obama Incited Wilson's 'You Lie' Outburst

Gingrich Explains How Obama Incited Wilson's 'You Lie' Outburst

By Noel Sheppard (Bio | Archive)
September 13, 2009 - 12:06 ET

While the Obama-loving media jumped all over Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.) for shouting "You lie" during the President's healthcare address Wednesday, few so-called journalists bothered to report what made the Congressman and others present so angry.

On Sunday's "Meet the Press," former House Speaker Newt Gingrich did.

After host David Gregory asked Gingrich whether Obama was acting like a president or a partisan Wednesday evening, the Speaker marvelously responded (video embedded below the fold, relevant section at 1:00):

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I can go through the president's speech and find a lot of things that I like. Then I go to the House Democratic bill and I don't find a single one of those things reflected in the legislation. Now, they, they literally had voted down efforts to make sure that health insurance only went to people who are legally in the United States. So they would have to go back and have very significant changes, which I think would split the Democratic caucus. And I think part of the reason you saw some, some real anger about the speech is he kept describing things that had been explicitly not put in the bill on the House side, and the House bill has no resemblance to the president's speech.

For the record, this is what Obama said Wednesday evening before Wilson's outburst:

Some of people's concerns have grown out of bogus claims spread by those whose only agenda is to kill reform at any cost. The best example is the claim made not just by radio and cable talk show hosts, but by prominent politicians, that we plan to set up panels of bureaucrats with the power to kill off senior citizens. Now, such a charge would be laughable if it weren't so cynical and irresponsible. It is a lie, plain and simple.

There are also those who claim that our reform efforts would insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false. The reforms -- the reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally.

As such, what the Obama-loving media have been ignoring is that the anger on display Wednesday evening was a result of Republicans being called liars by a President who was himself misrepresenting the facts concerning what's in the current healthcare bill.

Thanks for clearing that up, Mr. Speaker.

That so-called journalists still don't understand it is indeed mind boggling.

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That so-called journalists

September 13, 2009 - 12:35 ET by motherbelt

That so-called journalists still don't understand it is indeed mind boggling.

Why is your mind boggled, Noel? Are you surprised?

They still apparently don't "understand" that no one objected to the President giving a speech to students; so called journalists and even many Democrats are still characterizing objections to the lesson plan in that light.

They will say what needs to be said to paint the picture they want.

Period.

They're not journalists

September 13, 2009 - 12:37 ET by FeynmanFan

They're not journalists. They're advocates for the Obama administration.

"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson

Don't use the word Journalists

September 13, 2009 - 14:02 ET by ThisnThat

Right MB, but I would go further. It's been years since a true journalist has been hired by the MSM. It's a dying breed. Anyone who applies as a true journalist is weeded out early in the hiring process. Agenda-driven, and compliant is what they look for these days.

And the proof is in the news articles this past week. Obama-protectionism, and truth-suppression is rampant in all the MSM. All MSM outlets are doing the same thing. 9/12 rally, with possibly 1M people? Silence. A very convincing argument that they are all in cahoots with each other, with a single Soros-driven agenda.

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"Tax the rich" is a basically unstable way of governing - The NYT

You are teasing us, aren't

September 13, 2009 - 17:17 ET by Jer

"They still apparently don't "understand" that no one objected to the President giving a speech to students; so called journalists and even many Democrats are still characterizing objections to the lesson plan in that light." [my emphasis]

You are teasing us, aren't you, motherbelt? Simply expressing concerns over some troublesome wording in the lesson plan? For starters, check out the comments to the 'open thread' NB blog on 9/2 entitled "What Does Obama Want With Our Children"? In the meantime, I'll see if I can find what Rush and others had to say about this President speaking to America's children.

Jer

Still a troll Jer? At the

September 13, 2009 - 17:42 ET by Dan The Man 2

Still a troll Jer? At the time we did not know what was in Duh Ones speech to the students, we looked at the lesson plan though and became very alarmed. It was very intersting that the lesson plan changed after much outcry and I am inclined to believe the speech was also. This man in the WH is not to be trusted at all, he takes slime a to new level.

You wife home yet?

The Woodshed

September 13, 2009 - 18:02 ET by Sergeant ROCK

Boy, you're asking for it! lol...

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

Yep, after all

September 13, 2009 - 18:24 ET by general company

It was very intersting that the lesson plan changed after much outcry and I am inclined to believe the speech was also.

Obama was asked to release it first, but declined. This is a set back for them, but no doubt when they start addressing the kids regularly the agenda will start slipping out. Regularly you say,,,,yep,,,,just wait.

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

What's funny is..

September 13, 2009 - 18:30 ET by Sergeant ROCK

... the MSM reported on the school speech as though there wasn't a previous version that was discarded.. "What was wrong with this speech?".. "Much ado about nothing.." "Over-reaction.."

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

li'l dan the man...

September 13, 2009 - 20:49 ET by Jer

"Still a troll Jer? At the time we did not know what was in Duh Ones speech to the students, we looked at the lesson plan though and became very alarmed. It was very intersting that the lesson plan changed after much outcry and I am inclined to believe the speech was also. This man in the WH is not to be trusted at all, he takes slime a to new level."

"You wife home yet?"

Yes, li'l man, me wife be home. Why do you ask? Do you want to stalk her, too? Or perhaps drop over and deliver yet another of your holier-than-thou sermons to the two of us? Of course it could be you intend to include my wife and I in your previously posted prayer for the Lord to take Obama as soon as possible.

Jer

Thought you were here only

September 14, 2009 - 06:03 ET by Dan The Man 2

Thought you were here only because your wife was out, well was hoping. I see you answered my snark but not the subtance, and this is the reason you be troll. As far as sermons well you would sleep through them anyways, it matters not what I think of you but what God thinks. I have told you this before but you want to bring up my opinions, MY OPINIONS DONT MATTER IN GOD'S REALM ONLY HIS DO. So you can snark at me and protest all you want and the day of reckoning will come for you ready or not.

Here's a news flash for you, son:

September 14, 2009 - 07:17 ET by Jer

Here's a news flash for you, son: I don't respond substantively to posters who address me as "troll". Show me respect, and I'll gladly show you respect.

Furthermore, regarding your admonition about God and the "day of recokoning coming for me", I would suggest you read the following and take it to heart. It's found in the internal affairs forum initiated by Queen Mum who inquired about NB policy related to off-topic religious discussions:

"First let me introduce myself. I am a new employee of Dialog News Media and Newsbusters contributor. Matt Sheffield asked me to answer your question.

Yes, the policy is still in effect. The attacking of religious faiths and discussions about the merits or faults of various religions always result in divisive discussions, and we like to steer clear of those in our comments sections and our forums. WE ALSO PROHIBIT PROSELYTIZING AND RELIGIOUS PREACHING FOR THE SAME REASONS." [My caps and emphasis]

Lachlan Markay

I submit you have been, and continue to be, in direct and flagrant violation of that policy. I have notified staff in the past of your uninvited, unwanted, and inappropriate "preaching" to me and passing judgment on my salvation. I intend to forward this latest effort of yours along to Mr. Markay.

Before doing so, I will give you the opportunity to assure me you will refrain from engaging in this type of conduct with me ever again. And to reiterate, if you show me respect, you will have mine.

Jer

Good do so. I called you a

September 14, 2009 - 10:19 ET by Dan The Man 2

Good do so. I called you a troll because iIMO you are one and a thin skinned one to boot. In my post I was germaine to the topic and you were not. Do what you must as a troll must. I will continue to post. As for being off topic I believe you are now as you could have PM'd me, but you crave attention. I should have PM'd you also but I started this.

It was the plan itself.

September 13, 2009 - 22:32 ET by CobraMan

Jer, you misunderstand our concern. It wasn't the wording of the lesson plan, it was the lesson plan itself.

WHY did the Obama Administration feel it was necessary to include a lesson plan with what was supposed to be simply a motivational speech to school children? That the question that was asked. That's the objection that was raised. It wasn't what was IN the lesson plan that was so controversial, it was the idea that the President was issuing a lesson plan to accompany a "speech" that was so controversial.

You see, only a DICTATORSHIP issues lesson plans to accompany a school speech by a government leader. Democracies don't do that. They let the KIDS and/or their PARENTS create those lessons themselves. The don't rely upon the leadership to do that for them. That's called INDEPENDENCE OF THOUGHT and it's what makes a truly independent Democracy. Do you understand?

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

I understand, and agree

September 14, 2009 - 08:21 ET by Jer

I understand, and agree with you in part. There was indeed phrasing in the lesson plan which was inartful, questionable--even objectionable. I have previously conceded that fact. More important, the DOE did likewise and made appropriate changes.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Obama collaborated with the DOE, or that he had originally prepared an address chock full of political indoctrination. But that notwithstanding, in my view, the reaction of many on the right wasn't limited to, and went far beyond, reasonable questions about the wording of the lesson plan. Much of it appeared to be directed squarely at the propriety of Obama's addressing the students for any reason under any circumstances. [And the issuance of accompanying educational guidelines and materials by the DOE is not to my knowlege unusual.]

Jer

Ask Yourself: If Wilson Hadn't Spoken Up...

September 13, 2009 - 18:00 ET by farstar99

Where would the Americans who don't already know what a liar Obama is find out?

From Lord Haw-Haw and Axis Sally?

Good point

September 13, 2009 - 18:26 ET by general company

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

motherbelt...does THIS qualify as an objection?

September 13, 2009 - 21:07 ET by Jer

Let's see...Rush, called the speech--not the lesson plan, the speech--"a trick, a scam and a joke." Does that qualify as an objection?

Jer

Jer, did Rush ever say that

September 13, 2009 - 21:46 ET by motherbelt

Jer, did Rush ever say that the address should not be allowed? I didn't hear him talk about it at all, but I didn't listen to him much this week. I don't think that calling the speech a trick or a joke is objecting to it; it's more of an assessment of Obama's intention in doing it.

Most Democrats have been going around saying that "they" (conservatives) don't want the President to talk to their kids. I never heard anyone say that he shouldn't give the speech. The objections that I heard were about the "lesson plan" that was handed down by the DOE, and it's focus on what kids could do to "help the President."

And yet one after another liberal has mischaracterized their objections as to the President himself, not the hijacking of the classrooms and making the speech a whole project.

And I guess YOU are teasing us, right, Jer? Are you seriously saying that when I said no one objected, I meant HERE? Do you seriously think I meant that when liberals said "they" didn't want the President to talk to their kids, they meant commenters on an internet site?

No, mb...I wasn't teasing

September 13, 2009 - 21:56 ET by Jer

No, mb...I wasn't teasing either. I really wasn't sure what you meant by "no one", but, taking your words at face value, if you were indeed serious, then I assumed "no one" meant "no one", including commenters at NB.

So, for the purpose of clarification, to whom were you referring?

Jer

I meant whoever the

September 13, 2009 - 22:04 ET by motherbelt

I meant whoever the liberals were referring to when they said "they" don't want the President to talk to their kids.

So you'll have to ask them who they meant.

But I doubt they meant NB commenters.

Are you quoting what the

September 13, 2009 - 22:42 ET by Jer

Are you quoting what the liberals said? If so, where is the reference. It's difficult to determine intent without any context. Okay, you weren't referring to commenters at political websites. But, it shouldn't be too hard to tell me whom you actually had in mind. Please?

Jer

Evening mb... You having

September 13, 2009 - 22:05 ET by bigtimer

Evening mb...

You having fun yet? ;-)

'Go Green...Recycle Congress'

We were...until you showed

September 13, 2009 - 22:30 ET by Jer

We were...until you showed up. Just kidding, bt...where ya been?

Jer

Jer... Busy. 'Go

September 13, 2009 - 23:49 ET by bigtimer

Jer...

Busy.

'Go Green...Recycle Congress'

Holy mother of marconi. What is with you?

September 13, 2009 - 23:07 ET by JWF

What is it with liberals and this frelling obsession with Rush Limbaugh? No one, I repeat, no one was talking about Rush Limbaugh here until Uncle Jer popped his name into the conversation.

Allow me to pull a Hillary. (I take off my headphones) You want me to tell you what Rush thinks? Rush is not posting here, I am!

Give it a frelling rest Jer/JasonC/nwahs/whoever else inserts Rush/Coulter/Hannity into every single frelling conversation.

Please!

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

JWF...

September 13, 2009 - 23:40 ET by Jer

Good grief, man...

Whom should I reference...some local talk jock in Keokuk, Iowa, or the media colossus and self-proclaimed "Last Republican Standing" with an audience of twenty million? Give me some options, and I'll take them under advisement. ;-)

Jer

Not just you Uncle Jer.

September 13, 2009 - 23:45 ET by JWF

We are getting Rush overdose here. Every time I turn around, some liberal and/or troll is making a complaint and boop, out pops the Rush word.

I snapped. I is sorry. Uncle Jer can bring up teh Rush. Allowed. Sparingly please.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

263 speaking engagements

September 13, 2009 - 12:36 ET by katainkent

112 speeches in 266 days in office. The hardest working person in DC is Barack Obama's speechwriter.

Obama is exactly what Hillary Clinton said he was. A guy with very little real life experience who makes nice speeches. Only this last one - not so much. He was a bully and a coward. He basically put congress in the naughty chair where there was no debate possible and told outright lies. I am not a big fan of Newt. He's gotten squishy. But he's closer to the truth of the matter than all the "RACIST" crap I've seen elsewhere. And he didn't throw Joe under the bus. Right now Joe is being pressured to apologize again on the floor or face censure. This is the same kneejerk response we saw with the AIG bonuses. How is this helpful at all? What happened to a new era in politics?

Obama is not leading, he's bullying. And the rest of the Dems (and even some of the Repubs), and the Media are all going by his example.

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We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. ~Thomas Jefferson
(if you think healthcare is expensive now - wait until its free)

the "pressured to apologize

September 13, 2009 - 13:00 ET by motherbelt

the "pressured to apologize on the floor of the House" thing was brought up in the OT today too.

I hope he tells them to go pound sand. If he caves, next they will have him making an "apology tour" God knows where. They want to keep milking this for as long as possible...not to mention the sheer sadistic pleasure of "humiliating" Wilson over and over.

thanks mb

September 13, 2009 - 13:05 ET by katainkent

I'll have to go check it out. I just got home from work so I am a still catching up. I sincerely hope he tells them all to bite rocks. I am curious who is the driving force since Pelosi wanted to moveon.org.

welp I am off to the OT.

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We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. ~Thomas Jefferson
(if you think healthcare is expensive now - wait until its free)

I till say......

September 13, 2009 - 13:50 ET by pantryman

...kudos to Joe Wilson !

A little revolution now and then is a good thing. Piss on decorum.

What ever happened to leading by example? If obama wasn't lying in the first place, that eruption might never have happened.

Perhaps in the future obama will think twice about lying in his speeches for fear of another shout-out... or worse....

And if not, he deserves to be boo-ed off the podium.

Use the shoe

September 13, 2009 - 14:16 ET by ThisnThat

Joe Wilson's got to learn to bring an extra shoe or two to these joint sessions. The MSM would celebrate that, wouldn't they?

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"Tax the rich" is a basically unstable way of governing - The NYT

This morning

September 13, 2009 - 17:45 ET by Chaitealover

Joe Wilson told Chris Wallace that he would not apologize on the house floor, that he has already apologized to the president and had it accepted, and that he was willing to stand in the well of the house and have Pulosi read whatever she wants, but he was not going to apologize on the floor of the house.

Chai

“When all government...in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the center of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided...” Thomas Jefferson

112 speeches in 266 days in

September 13, 2009 - 17:24 ET by Jer

112 speeches in 266 days in office. The hardest working person in DC is Barack Obama's speechwriter.

Good line, kat.

Jer

Hardest Working?

September 13, 2009 - 19:09 ET by pbthinker

He may be the hardest working but he's not getting the point across. Either the speechwriter is incapable of putting a rational explanation for this farce, on paper, or he's putting exactly what Obama wants, on paper. Either way, it's not working. People know no more about Obamacare now then they did 266 days ago.

Election 2008-God's way of showing us that elections count.

Hardest working??

September 13, 2009 - 19:14 ET by Sergeant ROCK

The only hard part about that job is being able to sleep at night. Well, assuming that you have a conscience.

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

meh

September 13, 2009 - 19:19 ET by katainkent

should I have said the 'only working'? He (or she) is cranking out 1 speech per day minimum. It seemed a decent line at the time :P

katainkent...

September 13, 2009 - 20:26 ET by Jer

I thought it was astute, clever, and funny. That's why I complimented you.

Jer

well thanks

September 13, 2009 - 22:18 ET by katainkent

apparently I missed it. I came to this blog to read the last two comments in the subthread - I happened to see "hard working??" in the sidebar twice and thought maybe it was connected to my post so I clicked on it.

I appreciate the kudo. Now, have you read the Newsweek article yet? ;)

No, ma'm...not yet. I

September 14, 2009 - 05:48 ET by Jer

No, ma'm...not yet. I will though. But, right now I'd flunk a pop quiz.

Jer

thought it was more

September 14, 2009 - 09:58 ET by jon_torlin

I thought it was more than that, that he did more speaking events than his days in office?

After all, he was on TV every damn day, or close to it.

-Jon

"never have to pay for it again"????

September 13, 2009 - 12:40 ET by i was just thinking

SOMEONE has to pay... who????

Jingle bells, jingle bells... it's Christmas for someone, somewhere... and we're buying the presents!

Bye, bye, bipartisanship.

As hard as I try I can't

September 13, 2009 - 12:41 ET by Warman

As hard as I try I can't find anything Newt said that backs up the headline. The only thing I heard was Newt heaping praise and shutting his mouth when "DR. (of what) Dean corrected him. Way to go Newt you'll win the democrat nomination hands down

Yep, thats Newt. First,

September 13, 2009 - 12:51 ET by kefka

Yep, thats Newt. First, get it on record that you object by stating some differences with the left. Then, sit back in silence while the dems and MSM(BIRM) tears apart everything Newt said with disengenuous arguments. And finally Newt says, 'You have some points there.' Interview over and Newt is on record as opposition without having to actually do or oppose anything and his book sales and speaking engagements are safe.

Um, Sir?

September 13, 2009 - 12:56 ET by JWF

N.G: you saw..real anger about the speech..he kept describing things...explicitly not put in the bill on the House side...House bill has no resemblance to the president's speech.

I found it.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

The Missus thinks I am insane.

September 13, 2009 - 12:47 ET by JWF

I have been screaming the same thing in the basement at the TV for 8 months.

Newt Gingrich: ...he kept describing things that had been explicitly not put in the bill on the House side.

Now if we could get JasonC and the squad of viscous trolls that come here to admit it, we could all move on with our lives.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

jwf-same here. Of course,

September 13, 2009 - 13:07 ET by RR GOP

jwf-same here. Of course, she voted for Obama so...

One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.

JWF.....

September 13, 2009 - 13:20 ET by pantryman

You do that too (scream at the tv)????

Lately, I've been doing the very same thing.....

Screaming at the TV

September 13, 2009 - 13:23 ET by FeynmanFan

The nice thing about these projection TVs is that you can squeeze off a few rounds at whomever's irritating you without blowing up a picture tube.

Just kidding.

"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson

Felt reaaaaaal good

September 13, 2009 - 13:31 ET by RR GOP

Felt reaaaaaal good yesterday to be one of many booing Nancy Pelosi when here name was mentioned by our local Congressional representative at our county tea party. Real damn good.

One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.

Race Card

September 13, 2009 - 12:53 ET by Jerry Mack

The democrats have blantantly played the race card. ( Lemon, Olbermann, ect ) This indicates that they have nothing left! It has been hinted at before the election that if you do not vote for him or support his agenda, you are a racist. The hinting is over.

The next apology

September 13, 2009 - 12:58 ET by Willis_Leon_Johnson

"Ladies and gentlemen of the House of Representatives of The United States of America.

I stand before you today in abject shame that lying to the Members of this , The PEOPLES House, The Senators from all 50 States, as wells as the American People is supposed to go unchallenged, regardless of who speaks those lies.

Mr. Obama stood in this chamber and told numerous lies about this supposedly heathcare bill.

I apologise to the American People that their supposed leaders value lies more than TRUTH in this chamber."

He can follow that with a list of the lies obama told during the speech, together with the FACTS about what is in the bill complete with references.

If he does, I'll campaign for him for President.

http://gjresult.com

Joltin' Joe

September 13, 2009 - 15:03 ET by acumen

....I'll campaign for him for President.

Joe Wilson for Truth Czar.

apology?

September 13, 2009 - 19:02 ET by Ciampino

Obama doesn't lie, he just "nuances" his facts.

Obama doesn't lie or nuance

September 13, 2009 - 19:04 ET by FeynmanFan

He just calibrates his words a little carelessly once in a while.

"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson

He does neither..

September 13, 2009 - 19:06 ET by Sergeant ROCK

.. the tele-prompter is responsible.

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

ahem

September 13, 2009 - 19:12 ET by katainkent

"Generally speaking, I tell the truth" - Barack Obama - SFGate Interview 2008.

Click

September 13, 2009 - 12:59 ET by StarAZ

I had MTP recorded and just now turned it on during lunch--usual suspects, Durban (we are 80% "there"), Cornyn (no, we're not), Dean (suck, suck), Gingrich...at that point, I was overwhelmed with ennui and erased it.

Let's just boil it down once and for all

September 13, 2009 - 13:02 ET by StarAZ

If you are not for whatever it is the president is talking about, you are a mean racist who wants everyone to be cancelled off their insurance, little kids to die, cancer patients to scream with their pain, old people to use resources young people could put to better use making money for someone, etc. You are a depraved, clueless person and possible an emissary of the devil. Is that about right?

All that being said, if you

September 13, 2009 - 13:06 ET by kefka

All that being said, if you speak out against Obamacare you are also 'coarsening the dialog.'

Yes

September 13, 2009 - 13:19 ET by StarAZ

Frickin' coarsening...forgot that one.

Thank god some republican

September 13, 2009 - 13:04 ET by buddyc

Thank god some republican had the courage to call it like it was. Obama called Palin, those that raised questions at the town hall meetings, those that protested AARP, other republican congressmen all liars and accused them of distortion. It was a mean spirited personal attack on republicans. Obama deserved to be called a liar.

Agreed. The POTUS called a

September 13, 2009 - 14:01 ET by d1carter

Agreed. The POTUS called a prominent Republican a liar while standing at the podium of a joint session of Congress. It is shameful! BTW, if you disagree with him, he will "call you out". Is this the language for the POTUS?

I

September 13, 2009 - 13:14 ET by jessieH

I guess somebody should call a wambulance for obama. Wilson hurt his feelings. A lie is still a lie, no matter who says it. obama went on air to lie to the people. If not for Wilson, the lies will continue. Thank you Joe!

Hear, hear !

September 13, 2009 - 21:18 ET by pantryman

Yes, thank you Joe !!

How come we NEVER

September 13, 2009 - 13:25 ET by StarAZ

Since this gang thinks it's OK to price-fix and boss big companies around or own them, how come they don't roll health costs back to some semblance of actual cost. If an MRI actually costs someone $500--amortization on the machine, the tech's salary, the electricity, the little sheet over you, the person who rolled you there, etc...it is now $1500 bec they can, number one, and because Medicare and the cos contract to pay only a percentage and want it to be a percentage of something big. If we rolled back to costs plus a profit--the ins cos would still make money, the people could afford their insurance, and some of these problems would be solved. But no--everyone wrings their little hands--it costs so muuucccch, it gets jacked up every year, it's unsustainable...wah, wah.

You left out the cost of

September 13, 2009 - 14:33 ET by Willis_Leon_Johnson

LITIGATION.

The one thing that will NEVER BE ADDRESSED.

A large percentage of medical care costs is unnecessary tests and treatments in vain attempts to hold the trial lawyers at bay.

Why not force McDonalds back to 15 cent hamburgers? Because ALL US industry is subjected to 'liability suits' that amount to hundreds of millions every year.

And yes Virginia, every penny is passed on to the customers of all those businesses.

http://gjresult.com

Running for president....

September 13, 2009 - 13:34 ET by Irene Flick

Why was it all right for Dean to run for president from the platform of governor of Vermont (population 621,270 Jul 2008, 9615 square miles), and not Sarah Palin as governor of Alaska (population 686,293 Jul 2008, 586412 square miles). Could it be...sexism?

And who is cutting his hair now, Eva Braun?

TERM LIMITS FOR ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS!

And, yes, I am shouting.

sssssss

September 13, 2009 - 13:48 ET by nadadhimmi

Gingrich is a snake lke the rest of them. Army and Newt are trying to co-opt the Teaparty movement for their own re-aquisition of power. Don't forget Gingrich and Bob Barr both whored out to the ACLU and the Global Warming power scams when they thought IT was the political flavor of the day. DON'T let these political Zombies suck the life out of the TEA movement. Let the movement develope it's OWN leaders and then ABSORB the GOP., not the other way around. Hey Newt::: screw you.

Amen to that

September 13, 2009 - 14:18 ET by Prester John

While I am active with the local GOP the grassroots Tea Partiers need to make sure they don't let the movement get hijacked by the professional GOP politicos.

Except for a few like Senators Coeburn, Sessions, and DeMint, and a few congresscritters like Paul, Bachman, Wilson and Pence, I trust very, very few of the national party types.

Meanwhile....

September 13, 2009 - 14:02 ET by StarAZ

While we are blithering away about a bill we will probably never see in any completed way before it gets pulled off the boards, catch this:

http://www.thedailyb...

We better get our sleep. If we can sleep.

The SCM's reaction to Joe Wilson wasn't a surprise at all

September 13, 2009 - 14:06 ET by R D Helm

What did surprise me was the reaction from the milquetoast republicans out there.

Obama is very rapidly srewing this country right into the ground, and some republicans are upset because the man is being called to his face what he actually is, a bald-faced liar.

Is it any wonder why they lost the congress in 2006?

-Dave

I agree with Rush. It's time for Obama to resign.

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September 13, 2009 - 14:17 ET by Prester John

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Someone or something newted

September 13, 2009 - 14:21 ET by jdhawk

Someone or something newted Newt. Since he resigned from Speaker of the House, he must of gotten lonely not getting those D.C. cocktail invitations anymore. So, he set out to get cozy with the dimocrats. Well, this Meet the Depressed interview should start those invitations a 'rolling in!

My question is if this is all the American Enterprise Institute can come up with as their "specialist" on health care, they need to dig a little deeper, before their donors look to a truly conservative think tank not some socialist wannabes.

Thanks for clearing that up

September 13, 2009 - 14:37 ET by Snappy

Thanks for clearing that up Howard. So the bill does explicitly say that illegals will not be able to participate in the plan, and Newt was talking about a small piece that says they have to prove citizenship, a minor inconsequential detail. Well thank goodness the bill says clearly illegals may not take part.

I know I will sleep well at night knowing that someone who is in this country in violation of numerous laws will be willing to follow the unenforcable language in the bill.

The MSM seems to suddenly

September 13, 2009 - 15:39 ET by Radical1979

The MSM seems to suddenly use his title "Dr." when Dean is interviewed. I guess they think it lends credibility to the piece of SH^& legislation.

re That so-called journalists still don't understand...

September 13, 2009 - 15:39 ET by kch50428

Noel, they understand. These so-called journalists know exactly what they're reporting and how they're reporting it. There is no 'journalism' any more. All we have are partisan PR flaks.

"Dr." Dean

September 13, 2009 - 15:51 ET by Augustine

Like the way the MSM has all of a sudden started putting "Dr." in front of Deans name, just another tactic to try to manipulate the masses. Oh and if small businesses never have to pay inurance again then guess what employees you don't get to keep your insurance as the Charming Liar has stated.

And is Newt the best we can do, the libs love him because he is so wishy washy. Just another career politician who is Mr. Conservative on Fox then becomes a wimp when on the libs turf.

In listening to Obama's

September 13, 2009 - 16:33 ET by Gat New York

In listening to Obama's speech the other night I stopped counting at 12 the number of lies or mistatements Obama made.

And Obama actually use the word "lie" in reference to the fact that bureaucrats will be making life and death decisions on people with the government paid insurance option. In doing so he referred to the majority of Americans as liars.

I was shocked and very happyn that someone in that House has the kahones to finally represent jus and call Obama a liar.

I guess it is okay for Obama to lie and call Americans liars. But if anyone shows Obama to lie then they are a racist at best.

This whole thing is getting tired.

In defense of Obama on healthcare..

September 13, 2009 - 18:15 ET by Sergeant ROCK

“I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things.”
-- Dan Rather on The O'Reilly Factor, May 15, 2001

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

There ya go. Rather told

September 13, 2009 - 19:05 ET by Gat New York

There ya go. Rather told you what neo-journalism is now - lying.

Frankly that is all liberals have to go on is lies. They have no facts on their side and cannot complete an arguement for their views without slandering conservatives and/or lying about facts.

Obama at some point once learned that when all else fails "lie" because they will forget what you said minutes later and will be left with a convincing impression. That works in average jobs and as a community organizer - but it does not work when you are President.

Newt, still the smartest guy in the room.

September 13, 2009 - 19:17 ET by pbthinker

I'd vote for him, for president; but there are a lot of people trying to tell me how wrong I am. I know the Democrats don't like him. Howard Dean must have been beserk sitting next to him and not being able to argue with much of what he said.

I don't believe there are too many advocates for Conservative causes that can top Newt as a communicator. Knowing this, I feel the MSM and liberals across the land, have done everything possible to minimize his influence in the Republican Party. There is little doubt that, if Newt had more face time in the national spotlight, there would be fewer Democrats and liberals in this country.

Election 2008-God's way of showing us that elections count.

Newt is a passionless,

September 13, 2009 - 21:56 ET by nadadhimmi

Newt is a passionless, unprincipled political opportunist that will sell out his grandmother even as she bakes his cookies for him. He will DESTROY the Teaparty movement as he uses it for a stepping stone. He will be loved by the msm as he does it, as was McCain when he was destroying the Conservatives in the GOP. After he has brought down the movement, he will be suddenly reviled again by the msm. The stupid old fart McCain never DID figure out why he wasn't the msm's beloved "maverick" after he leveraged the nomination. I think the average mid American is smarter than these national candidates. Except for Mitt Romney, that Mofo is whip smart. sneaky, but smart and can think and talk on his feet. He would obliterate Obama in a real debate. Besides, he drives a V-8 Mustang GT. Real American Muscle Car. That tells me something.

You have to be kidding me.

September 13, 2009 - 22:43 ET by pbthinker

Newt is passionless? You have to be seriously not following what's going on if you can call Newt passionless. He may be everything else you said (although I don't agree on that either) but he's certainly not passionless.

I watched Newt debate Mario the Magnificent, in New York City, and he kicked Mario's ass. It's one thing to disagree with someone it's quite another to attack them for personal reasons.

I'd love to see a debate with Romney and Newt about the future of the GOP and see which one wins out. If, as you say, Romney is "whip smart, sneaky, but smart" I'd like to see it. I'm not saying Romney isn't smart, I've seen him in debates and he's not bad. I've seen Newt in debates and, in my opinion, he has his ducks in a row, knows what he's talking about, and you'd better be prepared and not try to fool him. Sneaky isn't going to beat Newt only smarter will. There aren't many smarter.

I'd make a bet that Obama would be willing to debate Romney but would pass on Newt. Now, that's just my opinion so it doesn't mean much, but that's the way I feel. Either of these guys would destroy Obama because Obama doesn't have a clue. His governing style is being shown as a farce and he's all opinion, opinion that was formed as a community organizer, not someone with legislative or executive experience.

Election 2008-God's way of showing us that elections count.

Newt's a good debater and

September 14, 2009 - 07:46 ET by danbo

Newt's a good debater and smart. But he also did that commercial with Pelosi for global warming. Supposedly, to get a seat at the table.

That told me something. I don't completely trust him.

I'd rather be forced to sit in the lifeboat. Than win a seat at the captain's table on the Titanic.

Limited Disclosure: I used to belong to the Sierra Club untill they went crazier. Worse of all, I was bribed by Exxon with free New Orleans Saints glasses with fill ups in the 70's.

Heard KB Hutchison Sat Night

September 13, 2009 - 22:12 ET by MaximusBraveheart

I went to a banquet Saturday night. Kay, Pete Sessions & a bunch of judges & mayors were there. During her speech, Kay had a pretty strong criticism of Washington and Obama. When she talked about them going down the path socializing medical care, a person at my table heckled Kay saying outloud very loudly "no that's not true, not true" (or something like that). The table was 1/2 Dems and they were just cringing all the way through the speech. Priceless. The media were not there. Wonder how they would have covered that?

That so-called journalists

September 13, 2009 - 22:17 ET by bigtimer

That so-called journalists still don't understand it is indeed mind boggling.

Noel, they understand it...they intentionally ignore it.

Agenda is all that matters.

Good thing about it all, their agenda is running amok.

Desperation calls for desperate measures....we ain't seen nothing yet from the left.

'Go Green...Recycle Congress'

The Problem

September 14, 2009 - 07:25 ET by GeneralAl

The problem with this whole mess is that Liberal Communist Democrats are so caught up in themselves that they believe everything they say. Therefore, any opposition is labeled lies and misinformation. I wouldn't believe this if it wasn't for experiencing this phenomenom in conversations with these people. The worst part is that you can't have genuine debate when the other side believes that there are no other legitimate opposing ideas!