It goes without saying the Obama-loving media are going to do everything in their power to downplay Saturday's Taxpayer March on Washington, and the New York Times is certainly living down to such expectations.
As evidence, consider the Times headline,"Thousands Rally in Capital to Protest Big Government."
Thousands?
That's certainly not how Britain's Daily Mail saw it (h/t NBer MrShy and reader Keith Brown):
Up to two million people marched to the U.S. Capitol today, carrying signs with slogans such as "Obamacare makes me sick" as they protested the president's health care plan and what they say is out-of-control spending.
The line of protesters spread across Pennsylvania Avenue for blocks, all the way to the capitol, according to the Washington Homeland Security and Emergency Management Agency.
By contrast, the Times reported:
The demonstrators numbered well into the tens of thousands, though the police declined to estimate the size of the crowd.
Even the picture the Times used downplayed the event:
Here's the picture the Mail published:
Which outlet do you think is reporting this more accurately?
If your answer is the Mail, why would a British outlet better estimate the size of this crowd than one of the leading American papers?
Yes, that's a rhetorical question.
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Easy solution....
September 12, 2009 - 22:08 ET by sshuffield70Replace the grey mare with the British press and see if she makes a whimper.
I Know How Many Were There.
September 12, 2009 - 23:53 ET by farstar99According to the latest polls, about 200 million.
Some of them in spirit.
Noel?
September 12, 2009 - 22:13 ET by BKeyserAny idea how the NCP or NPS folks estimate crowd size? I did some simple math here but that's based only on the time-lapse video and certain assumptions. My practical experience comes from being in the the herds leaving Richmond Interantional Raceway (120,000 fans- where NASCAR is racing as we speak) and Dover International Speedway (135,000 fans). That crowd was much larger than the 70,000 fans at M&T Bank Stadium, for sure.
My best guess
September 12, 2009 - 23:16 ET by richb313Let me put a disclaimer up front. I am in no way an expert on estimating crowd sizes but I am a pretty good estimater. Based on previous estimates from celebrations at public events such as Mardi Gras in New Orleans and other events my best guess is that the crowd was over 200,000 people and probably not more than 600,000. I have looked at various published photographs but the time lapse video of the crowds at Big Hollywood gave me the best overview. This is really too limited a view to make a good estimate. Does anyone know if any video or photos exist from the air? I know it is restricted airspace but Obama flew back to Washington late in the afternoon and maybe there was a picture taken by a photographer before the crowd dispersed.
Rich, I tend to think
September 12, 2009 - 23:22 ET by Scuba DudeRich, I tend to think your numbers about right though after looking at the pictures and the time-lapse video I tend to slew towards the higher number. At the most 750,000. Now, I do not believe the 2 million number because it appears that one was started by an aide to a Democrat. And they throw out the high number because it inflates expectations anticipating it will fall short.
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Outcome based MSM math
September 12, 2009 - 22:18 ET by legacyrepublicanNumber +/- interest in the participants = real number
10 + It is Cindy Sheehan during the Bush years = 1 million
2,000,000 - love affair with Obama = 10,000 or so
I'll take the Daily Mail over the NYT any day
September 12, 2009 - 22:19 ET by R D Helm-Dave
I agree with Rush. It's time for Obama to resign.
I was there. Two million
September 12, 2009 - 22:23 ET by GregEI was there. Two million seems high, and "thousands" is just plain stupid. I'd like to see the reports after they're analyzed. Crowd numbers reported immediately often get changed after real analysis.
But nonetheless, it was GREAT!
Greg... I'm so
September 12, 2009 - 22:26 ET by bigtimerGreg...
I'm so envious...thanks for the info... were you close to any of the speakers or how did it go for you...what was it like?
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BT, I was real close to the speakers ;)
September 12, 2009 - 22:33 ET by jefflebowskiBig, I was real close to one of the speakers! Can you dig it? (hint for anyone there). I would say the crowd size was in the 300,000-500,000 range. There are only 600,000 who live in DC so two million is really not feasible. But it was larger than most expected by far. Also, it was well managed and the crowd was loud but mannerly!
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I got diagonally behind the
September 12, 2009 - 22:38 ET by GregEI got diagonally behind the speakers, but the audio was setup so that it was aimed in such a way that I was not behind the sound. I could hear it pretty well. We were at the fencing that kept the crowd from the Capitol steps, so we were right at the big magnolia tree at the Capitol steps. What was great about that was that when the main crowd was chanting something, we were in an area that they were all facing, so the sound came almost directly at us like a wave.
It was a reallly great day and great to see such a turnout. Anti big-government people don't normally come out to protest. Why? Because we don't like excess government, it's not our religion and our savior and we prefer to live our lives as free people, doing the things that we want to do - the way it SHOULD BE. So, it really means something when people of that mindset get to a point where they will do something like this. Liberals love to protest, but we do NOT. Most people there have probably never been to any protest in their lives, or, if they have, it was likely one of their local Tea Parties.
Why should we have to feel like we have to fight off our government? If at any time the citizenry feels that it has to fight off the government, the government has CLEARLY overstepped it's purpose and that which is allowed and called for in the Constitution!!
AWD & Greg... Hey thanks
September 12, 2009 - 22:59 ET by bigtimerAWD & Greg...
Hey thanks guys for describing what it was like, I would have loved to been in your shoes.
Greg...you are so right in your sentiments about conservatives having something better to do with their time and money than 'protest'... like you stated, the left love to do...it's second hand to them...heck, some make a partial living off of it...
I think the left in all manners of speaking are surprised by this...from the top to the media to the where ever else it can go...I don't think they expected this opposition at all, for this I am glad, because they are going about it in the wrong way with their opposition tactics, and it's just making us angrier...Obama's Wed night campaign attack using the Congress to do so is a perfect example...he attacked all of us on the right....what a fool.
The Sleeping giant is just wiping the sleep out of it's eyes for now, they haven't seen anything yet from the Silent Majority if the keep this up...and I think they will...their arrogance has gone wild, beyond help until we stop them....and we must.
Kind of like the song 'I Can See Clearly Now'
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
Hey guys!
September 13, 2009 - 01:49 ET by joonbug50I was there too! Just got back home. Live in North Carolina. The NCTeaparty.com took 7 busses. On the list of known busses, there were at least 10 groups sending busses from NC. I heard there were 4 from Greensboro and some from Burlington as well as Asheville. I suspect there were representatives from all 50 states. They made an announcement that we had folks from Hawaii and Alaska as well. While I'm no crowd expert, there sure were alot of people there. We heard late in the afternoon that the crowd covered the lawn of the capital building plus all the way to the Washington Monument and all of Pennslyvania Ave. We were on the lawn of the capital to the right of the speakers. I just had one of the best days of my life. I have never felt such energy. Like this is a real movement and folks aren't giving up. I am in my 50's and have never protested anything before this year. Started in my local Tea Parties. Today was just unbelievable. And I will say, I did speak with two people who said there were Capital Policemen who said they estimated the crowd at more than 2 million. Were they telling the truth? I have no idea. Am I hoping Obama gets the message? Sure am, but I doubt that ego sees anything! If this becomes an anual thing, I'm there every year!!!
Are you trying to say that
September 13, 2009 - 09:08 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonThe participants WERE NOT BUSSED in for the event merely to inflate the numbers? Not paid to attend?
How totally un democrat and un union of them.
http://gjresult.com
Not to inflate numbers...
September 13, 2009 - 11:36 ET by joonbug50But to give a voice to those of us so totally pissed off at a government that won't listen to us. BTW, we each paid $60.00 for the trip to cover the cost of the bus transportation.
Sarcasm slipped past you?
September 13, 2009 - 12:35 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonI apologize.
Anytime the whiners want to throw a shindig, they have to bus in supporters, usually paid to "attend" by unknown sources.
All THEIR expenses are paid for, because otherwise, these 'people' could care less.
Conservatives, on the other hand, DO PAY THEIR OWN WAY IN LIFE.
As well as pay the lazy for being lazy.
http://gjresult.com
No problem
September 14, 2009 - 12:14 ET by joonbug50I'm new to all this. New to commenting. New to protesting. New to it all so sometimes I don't get the sarcasm. Thanks for pointing it out to me. I'll eventually get the hang of it!
Greg...You are so fortunate...
September 12, 2009 - 22:53 ET by PrairieSkyto have been able to go! If we lived within driving range, we'd have been there for sure! It sounds like it was a great day! Thanks for sharing!
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
Quarter Million
September 13, 2009 - 22:43 ET by dvdaughtryI was there too. Someone on here has posted a article that had an map of the Capitol, including the mall. I think it is on Michelle Malkin's page.
Anyway, it had shaded areas and the amount of people the area could hold.
The immediate area around the capitol was full, and so was the area of the Ulysses S. Grant Memorial.
Base on that, I am going with 250,000 to 300,000.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
dvd...
September 13, 2009 - 22:50 ET by JerHere's the deal: If it was over 200,000 I'll owe NL207 an expensive dinner. How about you lowering your estimte to just under 200,000 and I'll buy you a Quarter Pounder...with fries...supersized.
Jer
Don't buy it in the Mall
September 13, 2009 - 22:54 ET by dvdaughtryMy mother and I attended, and got lunch at a McDonald's trailer near the Smithsonian Castle.
Quarter pounder meal, $7.50.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Hmmm...Sounds like "let's
September 13, 2009 - 22:58 ET by JerHmmm...Sounds like "let's gouge the conservatives." ;-)
Jer
Sounds more like the same
September 13, 2009 - 23:01 ET by Free StinkerSounds more like the same prices in Manhatten.
Jer
September 13, 2009 - 23:03 ET by well99Send him a MRE for old times sake.
ABC is denying they
September 12, 2009 - 22:29 ET by Free StinkerABC is denying they estimated the crowd at 1.5 Million.
Not sure where Matt Kibbe (speaker) got that number from if it wasn't ABC news as he claimed.
Interesting that the Daily Mail is calling it at 2 Million.
1.5 million is an incredible
September 12, 2009 - 22:41 ET by GregE1.5 million is an incredible amount of people. I am looking around for some better info. I think we jumped on the 1.5 mill a bit quick, but when someone says it from the stage, you expect that it's being reported properly. We'll see.
GregE... I watched all of
September 12, 2009 - 22:46 ET by bigtimerGregE...
I watched all of that live on C-SPAN today, and to be fair to those who announced that number during the program, they all said 'abc is reporting that the number is 1.5... heck, they are only reporting what the real reliable news sources are telling them...know what I mean?
...
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Oh absolutely. If they
September 12, 2009 - 22:50 ET by GregEOh absolutely. If they said ABC reported that, I believe ABC reported it. I just didn't believe it to be the right number no matter who was reporting it.
I have a feeling
September 12, 2009 - 22:48 ET by candancethat this might go down as an unsolved mystery. One side downplays while another side is too optimistic.
But I have to say, I'm puzzled by Malkin on this one. She doesn't peddle lies and is quick to jump on shady behavior from conservies. It isn't like her to pull a number from someone's twitter page unless she had reason to believe it.
just checked Malkin's website
September 12, 2009 - 23:16 ET by candanceThe rumor originated from Matt Kibbe. He was the first to mention it, and the one who claimed it came from ABC News. He didn't just leak it on some blog, he was an official organizer who said it on the main stage.
Malkin is twisting a few arms to find out why Kibbe did it.
I think it may have
September 12, 2009 - 22:30 ET by JerI think it may have something to do with the quaint but insightful observation that "a Lie can travel half way aound the world before the Truth can get its pants on."
Some integrity-challenged websites put up phony aerial photos and posted wildly exaggerated numbers, and a couple of more serious but gullible news outlets bought into the scam.
That said, the crowd was large, passionate and energized. Just not in the millions.
Jer
phony arial photos?
September 12, 2009 - 22:33 ET by candanceLink please.
candance...
September 12, 2009 - 22:50 ET by Jerhttp://twitpic.com/hhlju
Jer
That's the Jan 20
September 12, 2009 - 22:52 ET by GregEThat's the Jan 20 inauguration. If someone posted that as today's, they're clearly wrong.
okay, jer
September 12, 2009 - 22:56 ET by candanceA guy I've never heard of put a photo on twitter. You get one point.
You are very generous, candance.
September 12, 2009 - 23:03 ET by JerYou are very generous, candance. That's one more point than Free has awarded me in over two years.
Jer
Candance is a much kinder
September 12, 2009 - 23:08 ET by Free StinkerCandance is a much kinder person than I am.
And she smells much nicer,
September 12, 2009 - 23:25 ET by JerAnd she smells much nicer, too.
Jer
→ Not funny, Jer
September 14, 2009 - 00:21 ET by Cool ArrowI had a cold and used Zycam. I don't smell very good anymore.
Sorry to hear that, Cool...
September 14, 2009 - 06:06 ET by JerSorry to hear that Cool...
But just think of the career opportunity for you in the Department of Sanitation. One door closes, another opens.
Jer
candance
September 12, 2009 - 23:05 ET by shawn228I was not there so I don't know how many people were there, but it looks like a lot. Here is a link FOX news says it is 10's of thousands.
"I swear sometimes the self-appointed moral police are as obnoxious and demanding of big government interference as "environmentalist" gun control advocates, labor unions and trial lawyers"~fitzfong
Who to believe, London Liberals or Fox News?
September 13, 2009 - 10:44 ET by 007memoSo Fox news estimates the crowds in the 10's of thousands and the London Daily Mail puts it at 2 million.
Who will we believe? For the first time ever we'll hear - Fox News is Lying!
Well we know not to
September 13, 2009 - 12:19 ET by Scuba DudeWell we know not to believe anything you say -007. The information from Fox News is infinitely more believable than anything the LOTUS and his minion networks disemminate.
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
Fox News tells you what you want to hear, Scuba
September 13, 2009 - 22:25 ET by 007memoFox News tells you what you want to hear, that's why you believe it. Funny how that works.
Hmmm, how can we increase ratings Fox wonders? I know, tell the sheep what they want to hear. We will report the opposite of whatever 99% of the rest of the media reports. And our viewers will believe us cause, well, they're sheep.
For the hack
September 13, 2009 - 22:42 ET by Unsane007hack projects his failings onto others. Funny how THAT works. You have shown me and others that you do not listen or consider anything that remotely challenges your Statist/Socialist world view.
Hmmm, how can we increase ratings Fox wonders? I know, tell the sheep what they want to hear And because you loack the intellectual capacity or ability to defend your Statist/Socialist world view, and refuse to face Rightist arguments squarely, you much rather comfort yourself with the notion that because you are a drone and a hack for what Leftist elites tell YOU to think (and because you take your marching orders from an "elite" group of people, you are therefore infinitely smarter and more brilliant than the rest of us hoi polloi, no?), everyone else is stupid.
We will report the opposite of whatever 99% of the rest of the media reports. And our viewers will believe us cause, well, they're sheep. Quite a few things are showing here. One, you have never watched the Fox News Channel (a channel I rarely view, incidentally, for my own reasons), primarily due to those marching orders the Left has given you. Two, you form your opinions on Fox based on what the Left tells you, NOT on - my Shahinshah!!! - YOUR own observations of the channel! Three, your intense hatred and contempt for your fellow man is on dispaly here, delivered in the language of extreme, total elitist snobbery.
If I were you, I'd watch Fox. No, they do not report "the opposite of whatever 99% of the media reports" as you stupidly claim. There is only one thing that separates them from the rest of the U.S. media world, and that is the fact that Fox actually bothers to treat conservative viewpoints and ideas with some merit. They can and do ask questions from both Leftist and Rightist viewpoints.
That does not sit well with you because you cannot argue or defend your Statist/Socialisty beliefs here with reason and intellect. You cannot face those viewpoints squarely and honestly. That is part of the reason why you are enraged that Fox even exists, why conservatives are even permitted to breathe in the same atmosphere as you, or why conservatives don't just SHUT UP. Unfortunately for you, you need to try harder - A LOT HARDER - to defend your viewpoints. Just whining that Fox exists, attacking other posters for viewing Fox, insulting countless others and looking on in sneering, smug self-satisfaction just doesn't cut it here.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
But you do agree it's just 60,000 teapartiers, unsane?
September 13, 2009 - 23:12 ET by 007memoBut you do agree it's just 60,000 teapartiers, unsane? Your agreeing with Fox and not the Daily Mail's nonsensical claim of up to 2 Million, right? Right???
I must admit I'm contemptuous of those who pick and choose faux "facts" to fit their wishful thinking. This circumstance puts the sheep in quite a bind - Do they call Fox liars over the 60,000 teapartier report? Oh, what to do?
I've looked all over the internets for verification of the size of the crowd. Other than bloggers, like the one here, suggesting that the number is closer to 2 million, I can't find any news reports putting the number higher than the 10's of thousands. Um just sayin, unsane.
Love your crazy rant though.
For the hack:
September 14, 2009 - 09:45 ET by UnsaneBut you do agree it's just 60,000 teapartiers, unsane? Your agreeing with Fox and not the Daily Mail's nonsensical claim of up to 2 Million, right? Right??? I don't know who is right. It is virtually impossible to say. And of course, you being a good Statist/Socialist, you assume you know my viewing habits. I can't remember the last time I saw Fox. Maybe it was last month, or the moth before that. I watch more international media than I do U.S. media, because I like to find out what is going on elsehwhere. (We won't find out a single solitary peep about the upcoming German federal elections from your precious sources, or even Fox.)
I must admit I'm contemptuous of those who pick and choose faux "facts" to fit their wishful thinking. I think you need to go much further: you are contemptuous of everybody. You see yourself infinitely smarter, better, and superior to everyone else. In your world, we stupid people don't know what is good for us, that Statist/Socialists know what is best for all, and that we all need to SHUT UP and put you and people like you in power ad infinitum, and immediately turn over 100% of our economic and political freedoms to you and people like you because you really do know best after all. (That you truly believe this, in spite of your inability to understand what a "right" is and isn't, and your steadfast refusal to grasp basic civics, is beyond laughable to me.) This circumstance puts the sheep in quite a bind - Do they call Fox liars over the 60,000 teapartier report? Oh, what to do? Again, proudly radiating your extreme, total contempt and hatred for your fellow man. How it must totally enrage you beyond belief to see all those people marching against your God, His Majesty The Shahinshah, and people like you.
You just wanted to go out there and put all those stupid people back in there place, didn't you, 007hack? Because that is exactly how you think.
I've looked all over the internets I always thought there was just one Internet. Where are the others? for verification of the size of the crowd. Other than bloggers, like the one here, suggesting that the number is closer to 2 million, I can't find any news reports putting the number higher than the 10's of thousands. Um just sayin, unsane. I have heard all sorts of numbers and none are believable. None. And we may never know the final tally. You are going to gravitate to lower numbers, which I would submit reflect YOUR wishful thinking, because anything more than 2 people marching against your beliefs makes you want to vomit, because you are one of "the anointed", along with your God, His Majesty The Shahinshah. Some on the Right will gravitate to higher numbers to pump up their claims. And even though I am an unabashed Rightist, I simply say "I don't know" because I don't know. And we may never know. But then, I am not imbued with heavy doses of arrogance and contempt for my fellow man as you clearly are.
Never be afraid to utter the words "I don't know."
I'm glad you liked my rant. You may want to read it, know it, and live it. You might learn something. You might become a better person and debater because of it.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
So Scuba, Fox is right, just 60,000 teapartiers
September 13, 2009 - 22:32 ET by 007memoSo Scuba, Fox is right, just 60,000 teapartiers.
For the hack
September 13, 2009 - 22:45 ET by Unsane...and to think that the only way you can attain an orgasm is if you were mowing them all down - 60,000 or 600,000 or whatever, with a machine gun, or perhaps running over them all with a tank.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
I think you are right
September 13, 2009 - 23:09 ET by Scuba DudeI think you are right Unsane. Neg 007 wishes he were at the demonstration instigating and agitating trying to get a rise out of the people that are looking to stop this country from going down the drain. All he would succeed in doing is getting himself on YouTube making a fool of himself.
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
Where did Fox say there
September 13, 2009 - 23:05 ET by Scuba DudeWhere did Fox say there were only 60,000 in the march? Pulling numbers and statements out of your buttocks again? Making things up just like a typical lib.
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
Here's the Fox News Link - 60,00 Teapartiers, Scuba Dude
September 13, 2009 - 23:20 ET by 007memoBelow is the Fox News Link - just 60,00 Teapartiers, Scuba Dude
Come on dude, you really believe a million or two showed up for that rally. Earth to scuba dude!
Now take those nasty comments back you ol rascal you.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/12/tea-party-express-arrives-march-washington-protest-government-spending/
Scoob et al
September 13, 2009 - 23:24 ET by Free StinkerWe can clearly stop discussing anything with this Double-Zero clown from now on.
This very blog entry has the link (also below) to The Daily Mail story that there were 2 Million in attendance, yet somehow Double-Zero Cannot seem to read.
http://www.dailymail...
Wrong again, free stink
September 14, 2009 - 00:26 ET by 007memoWrong again, free stink. The Daily mail says 1 million. And under one of the picture captions they say tens of thousands, Hmmmm, which is it.
Would the right wing Daily Mail be lying??? Confused, Mistaken?
As I've already challenged, find the other corraborating news source of the Millions figure other than the Daily Mail. LOL
→ Poor memo!
September 14, 2009 - 00:37 ET by Cool ArrowYou are aware those leading zeros are insignificant, don't you? They would mean something if they followed a decimel point, but they don't.
Now you're trying to convince us you know something about numbers?
7memo, why does this have you so ratted up in a ball?
It's really bugging you, so that's all the reason we need to cajole and goad you on, but you're starting to look all quixotic making a case that really doesn't matter.
ok I give.
September 13, 2009 - 23:26 ET by katainkentwhere is the number 60,00[0] on that page.
Maybe it's just 30,000 Katainkent
September 13, 2009 - 23:44 ET by 007memoThe third paragraph of the Fox report talks about tens of thousands, ABC reports 60,000 - 70,000.
"The tens of thousands of protesters marched to the U.S. Capitol chanting various slogans and waving posters that voiced a rather broad array of grievances against big government and the leaders, particularly President Obama, who the protesters blame for its size and scope."
That is tens of thousands, not hundreds of thousands nor millions.
oh
September 13, 2009 - 23:49 ET by katainkentyou meant to link ABC?
I personally have no interest in the number. I just enjoyed the view.
as I told enak - If it distresses you that much write the DailyMail and/or write their stated source.
oh, Fox news say 10's of thousands, katainkent
September 14, 2009 - 10:49 ET by 007memoOh, Fox news say 10's of thousands. katainkent.
You just can't reconcile that in your little brain "it... does... not... compute...".
I don't *care*
September 14, 2009 - 11:11 ET by katainkentI dont care. I don't care. I DON'T CARE. I am the one not computing?
Now... why do you care?
For what it is worth
September 13, 2009 - 23:49 ET by dvdaughtryThe link below is an estimate of how much each area of the Capitol/Mall holds:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-01-19-crowd_N.htm
I was in attendance. That first area that shows it can hold 240k was most certainly filled. Then there were some past that, and many wondering around and still on Penn Ave.
IMHO, 250k-300k is not a far stretch.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
→ 007
September 13, 2009 - 23:50 ET by Cool ArrowDozens of people attended President Obama's inauguration.
Do you dispute this fact?
Don't dispute it, don't care, Cool Arrow
September 14, 2009 - 00:04 ET by 007memoDon't dispute it, don't care, Cool Arrow
There's no one attempting to trump up Obama's attendance into the millions. No lies told, so who cares?
→ Right
September 14, 2009 - 00:09 ET by Cool ArrowBut for some reason these numbers really get under your skin.
And may I say, you're exquisitely discriminating in your choices of prevarications to expose?
007
September 14, 2009 - 00:41 ET by MrShy007:
Obama Inauguration turnout? Don't dispute it. Don't care.
Tea Party rally turnout? Dispute it. A lot. Tooth and nail. Care.
→ Ain't it a hoot, Shy
September 14, 2009 - 00:43 ET by Cool ArrowThis guy's goin' goofier than spittle on a griddle. (I really should email that one to Dan Rather, huh)
We really should quit pokin' him with sticks, but it's fascinating.
arrow
September 14, 2009 - 00:50 ET by MrShyHaha. I like that one. :)
Liberals are always fascinating creatures, yes. Emphasis on the word "creatures".
→ Thanks Shy
September 14, 2009 - 00:59 ET by Cool ArrowDo you think my tagline is too long? Should I go with an acronym?
Obama - South Chicago Racist Of The United States.
What's a hoot is your failure to call out lies
September 14, 2009 - 10:53 ET by 007memoWhat's a hoot is your failure to call out lies.
This blog is claiming that a million or more showed up for the rally. There only evidence being a Daily Mail story.
As I've said before, I'm willing to bet the makority of readers of this blog believe the number to be closer to the 1 Million nonsense than the truth.
→ memo
September 14, 2009 - 11:06 ET by Cool ArrowI have the same evidence as you - conflicting reports.
You have no claim on truth in this matter any more than I do.
My opinion is that it's more than 60k, and less than 2mil.
Tell me something, Einstein. Is a "makority" a governing body among sharks?
Obama - South Chicago Racist Of The United States.
lol
September 14, 2009 - 11:33 ET by well99"Tell me something, Einstein. Is a "makority" a governing body among sharks?" That must be it CA.
Hey IQ 007, Where did
September 14, 2009 - 11:14 ET by Scuba DudeHey IQ 007,
Where did this blog claim that a million or more showed up? What I read was NS showing the contrast between the NYT and the Daily Mail on the number of participants. Where in the article did NS state that "a million or more" people were at the demonstration?
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
→ IQ 007
September 14, 2009 - 11:18 ET by Cool ArrowThis guy really has a high-pitched squeal going on, doesn't he?
Obama - South Chicago Racist Of The United States.
I guess he must have missed
September 14, 2009 - 11:20 ET by SickofLibsI guess he must have missed the "Which outlet do you think is reporting this more accurately?" part.
Double 0 dimwitted one.
September 14, 2009 - 07:55 ET by Scuba DudeDouble 0 dimwitted one. Find one post where I said that there were two million people at the demonstration. I dare you, find a single post.
And your link? I do not see the number 60,000 mentioned once. Are you seeing things now? Are the voices in your head drowning out the reality that you are in need of help?
Unlike you I do not take everything that is shown on the news as gospel truth. I will listen and make a decision based upon common sense.
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
Funny how you can't tell
September 13, 2009 - 22:39 ET by Free StinkerFunny how you can't tell the difference between a lie and a mistake.
You may go now.
Is this blogger lying or mistaken, free stinker?
September 13, 2009 - 23:35 ET by 007memoI read this blog and it's obvious that NS is claiming the 1-2 million number is the correct number, free stinker. Is that a lie or mistake?
If it's a mistake, it's a whopper of a mistake.
And if it's a mistake, where is the clarification? Hmmmm, I'm waiting.
And how many of the commenters, and readers, of this blog actually believe the millions claim versus the more likely 60,000 number. I don't give them much credit, I think probably 90% of them believe it.
Prove me wrong, are there any critical thinkers out there?
The DailyMail is putting
September 13, 2009 - 23:36 ET by Free StinkerThe DailyMail is putting the number in the Millions.
Since your reading comprehension is zero, I'll stop wasting my time.
And don't fool yourself, you're not a critical thinker.
London Libruls say millions, Fox news says 10's of thousands
September 13, 2009 - 23:56 ET by 007memoLondon Libruls say millions, Fox news says 10's of thousands. Who ya gonna believe free stinker?
Corraborate one other news source claiming millions.
In the meantime, check out what the organizer of the event had to say:
"Matt Kibbe, president of FreedomWorks, the group that organized the event, said on stage at the rally Saturday that ABC News was reporting that 1 million to 1.5 million people were in attendance. "
In fact, ABC reported 60,000 - 70,000 attended.
Kibbe manned up and apologized for his blunder:
"With a dead IPhone, I had been shown tweets from a number of different folks behind the stage citing the ABC estimate," he wrote. "They didn't say it. I regret misrepresenting the network, as their coverage that day was fair and honest."
ABC was fair and honest??? Heads are exploding all over Newsbusters!
→ memo
September 14, 2009 - 00:05 ET by Cool ArrowThis really bothers you, huh?
Hey, chill out. Put another rock in the pipe and flick that bic.
∞/0 memo, really dude who cares?
September 14, 2009 - 00:13 ET by upcountrywaterOk so 60,000 folks showed up...
Just to let you know the folk are networking at THIS moment.
Some BRAND NEW thought will come out...
Land of the free and home of the brave... landed on the moon etc.
You will not be able to keep up.. You are so yesterday.
State controlled health care is Tort Reform.
→ Right you are UCW
September 14, 2009 - 00:15 ET by Cool ArrowLooks like 007 is both shaken and stirred.
By the flick of his bic, I can tell he's a hick
September 14, 2009 - 00:32 ET by upcountrywaterNot that there is anything wrong with that.
∞/0 keep the Rock red ..Puff N' huff
State controlled health care is Tort Reform.
So the lies are okay, up country?
September 14, 2009 - 00:31 ET by 007memoSo the lies are okay, up country?
But when Obama "lies"...
→ Insignificant digits
September 14, 2009 - 00:39 ET by Cool ArrowThank you for finally recognizing Obama lies.
We agree with you on that one.
∞/0 yea dudelette 0bama lies....yes we do!!!
September 14, 2009 - 00:45 ET by upcountrywaterin the memory of PT
ROTFLMAO
State controlled health care is Tort Reform.
For the hack
September 14, 2009 - 09:56 ET by UnsaneProve me wrong, are there any critical thinkers out there? There is at least one (me) whose arguments you cannot face squarely. Doubtless there are even more on NB.
Go back and read a response I posted to you which covers what I think of ANY estimate of crowd size.
And how many of the commenters, and readers, of this blog actually believe the millions claim versus the more likely 60,000 number. I don't give them much credit, I think probably 90% of them believe it. See, and this is what bothers you the most. Your contempt and hatred of your fellow man - the thing that animates you as a Statist/Socialist - bubbles up again. You are totally beside yourself with rage at the thought that there are quite a few people who simply do not buy what you are selling. Your posts here drip with your contempt for them. It is pretty obvious.
And THIS is why this whole deal with numbers is getting under your skin so painfully, and why you desperately want to believe the 60,000 number. (Which, again, I don't know if it was five million or 500.) So much for the tolerance and open-mindedness of the Left.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Fascinated by your hypocrisy, Unsane
September 14, 2009 - 15:03 ET by 007memoYour incensed by Obama's "lies" (actually just propaganda from the right wing about supposed lies) but it's okay if lies that reinforce your beliefs are promoted at will.
I don't want to believe the 60,000 number, that just happens to be the number that all other news sources are reporting. I'd like to know the truth, if it's not 60,000. If someone is lying about the number, they should be called on it.
Other than the Daily Mail and blogs like this suggesting/lying that the number is possibly 1-2 million, there is no corraborating evidence. Anywhere.
Why would this blog be promoting the lie that there was 1-2 million teapartiers? Hmmmmmm, why would that be? NS had to go to go across the big pond to find a right wing newspaper in England to come up with a higher number than tens of thousands. And why is that okay with you?
It would be big and important news if, in fact, so many teapartiers showed up. And no amount of librul press conspiracy could keep that fact from coming out.
Finally, the only purpose of this blog making the 1-2 million claim, and other blogs like it, is to promote propaganda to willing sheep. You should be insulted by that fact. But you won't be.
→ We get it 007
September 14, 2009 - 15:05 ET by Cool ArrowIf Katie, Brian and Charlie didn't cover it, it didn't happen.
That's the story of your life, not ours. You're the one looking for the Obama Party outlets to reassure itself for your edification.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
More hackery
September 14, 2009 - 15:56 ET by UnsaneYour incensed by Obama's "lies" (actually just propaganda from the right wing about supposed lies) but it's okay if lies that reinforce your beliefs are promoted at will. What you call "propaganda" is attained by reading the damned bill, which, if you are so much smarter than everyone here on NB, and if you are the greatest critical thinker ever to grace the threads of NB, all you need to do is to READ HR 3200. READ it, and then you tell me if His Majesty The Shahinshah is remotely telling the truth.
Better yet, tell me what HIS plan is.
You also may want to explain what happened to His promise that unemployment would not go over 8%. (It is sitting at 9.7% now.) I and other posters can come up with still more examples.
I don't want to believe the 60,000 number, that just happens to be the number that all other news sources are reporting. I'd like to know the truth, if it's not 60,000. If someone is lying about the number, they should be called on it. Well, comfort yourself with the fact that you will never know what it is and nor will anyone else. I'm with Cool Arrow: somewhere between 60,000 and 2 million. Therein lies the truth. But we are not going to know the exact number.
Other than the Daily Mail and blogs like this suggesting/lying that the number is possibly 1-2 million, there is no corraborating evidence. Anywhere OK. So what? Read the above.
Why would this blog be promoting the lie that there was 1-2 million teapartiers? Hmmmmmm, why would that be? NS had to go to go across the big pond to find a right wing newspaper in England to come up with a higher number than tens of thousands. And why is that okay with you? Neither you, nor I, nor the Daily Mail, nor anyone else, is ever going to know the exact number. Perhaps Mr. Sheppard pulled this newspaper out because - gasp! - it had the highest guesstimate. I don't know. Maybe you can ask him; he will actually address posters.
You have an obsessive devotion to find a silly number you will never ever find. Of course, it is funny to hear you bitch, whine, and scream, scream, and scream that the crowd numbers were in the tens of thousands. YOU are the one who desperately wants the number to be in the tens of thousands. You are the only one pushing this (even other posters who have read the evidence you provided say you are full of it). Why? Because if this mystery crowd number is, say, 100,001, you will be full of barely controllable rage at the knowledge that there are that many people in the United States who simply do not think it is a good idea to give the government complete and total micromanaging control over every single one of our lives. We are NOT a bunch of Happy Little Socialists who want to turn over as many aspects of our lives to the Nanny State as you do. And that frosts you. Worse, those idiots (as you doubtless think to yourself) do not know what is good for them.
Finally, the only purpose of this blog making the 1-2 million claim, and other blogs like it, is to promote propaganda to willing sheep. You should be insulted by that fact. But you won't be. And you close your hate-filled rant with more dripping, hateful contempt of your fellow man. What the hell is your problem, 007hack? You are the one here being a sheep; following and worshipping His Majesty The Shahinshah the way some follow the teaching of Christ. If people aren't as big a Statist/Socialist as you are, the explanation can't POSSIBLY be that those people have found a better way of living and a better philosophy of life. No: they are that way because they are simply the biggest idiots who have ever lived and a bunch of stupid sheep who need to be pummeled and put back in their place.
You have to be the most hateful poster ever on NB. Worse, you strike me as an extremely angry individual. Sheesh, even after you got everything you wanted last November, you have only become ANGRIER and ANGRIER and ANGRIER!!! Maybe you can explain to me how it is to live perpetually pissed off. I don't know because like normal people I regard anger as a negative emotion I do what I can to avoid.
Finally, I now issue you a challenge others have issued to you, I believe: please show me where this blog has claimed...well, ANY number. That they have reported what the Daily Mail reported does not count; they are only relaying what they said because in all likelyhood it is the highest number estimated, and from there, we critical thinkers - of which you are not one by any stretch - can make our determinations from there.
Now, go continue your obsessive devotion, and your worship of the government as God and of His Majesty The Shahinshah as Christ.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
You can't corraborate propagandist lies, unsane
September 15, 2009 - 10:36 ET by 007memoUnsane says: "You also may want to explain what happened to His promise that unemployment would not go over 8%. (It is sitting at 9.7% now.)"
The unemployment claim, like the millions showing up at the teaparty claim, is sheer propaganda.
Let's see if you can follow this Unsane; Obama never said unemployment wouldn't go over 8%. Yet, you and others of your ilk routinely claim this as fact. It's simply a lie.
Why do you spread the lie. Are you a liar? Or, are you just a poor sheep rube spreading propaganda that's been fed to you, like pablum to a child.
If Obama said unemployment wouldn't go over 8%, those exact words, or even insinuations, are preserved as a matter of record - please find them and link to your source.
The fact that you won't be able corraborate your lies also belies your inability to think critically. Even Obama, as dumb as you want to believe he is, wouldn't be stupid enough to make such a promise. But you're enough of a rube to believe such propaganda without question.
Since you can't corraborate propagandist lies unsane, you'll likely fall back on the pathetic excuse you made for Noel Sheppards propaganda, "no one can ever know the real number" of teapartiers that showed up. So for you that number could as likely be 2 million as 60,000. ROFLMAO.
You can't corraborate propagandist lies, unsane
September 15, 2009 - 10:48 ET by 007memoEdit - posted the same thing twice
There may be more. I saw
September 12, 2009 - 23:28 ET by danboThere may be more. I saw the photo over there earlier. At first I saw the photo in a bunch of photos. (It's not alone.) Some of the rally some of earlier rallies some non rally. I'm not sure it was marked as part of todays rally. Unfortunately I'm have trouble getting on there right now to check. Please check.
This may be smoke to avoid the real problem that Jer seems to admit. It's a lot more people than they want to admit.
This may never be resolved. The Times photo looks like a rather long lense. The Mail looks like a short lense. Both distort depth in opposite directions. But the short lense shows a wider field of vision.
Limited Disclosure: I used to belong to the Sierra Club untill they went crazier. Worse of all, I was bribed by Exxon with free New Orleans Saints glasses with fill ups in the 70's.
candance
September 13, 2009 - 00:39 ET by MrShyAnd others..... NOW do you understand my frustration?
Free, I think you're right, what you said a little while back.
Shy... Stop your
September 13, 2009 - 01:26 ET by JerShy...
Stop your whining. The amen corner has gone home. Go ahead and toss a couple of your tedious 'intellectual disonesty' charges and move along.
Jer
Jer
September 13, 2009 - 02:19 ET by MrShyHave a little more respect. I was H/T'ed. I'm famous now.
Its a shame that being
September 13, 2009 - 11:23 ET by shawn228H/T'ed is the only reason you are famous ;-)
"I swear sometimes the self-appointed moral police are as obnoxious and demanding of big government interference as "environmentalist" gun control advocates, labor unions and trial lawyers"~fitzfong
Shy...
September 13, 2009 - 16:27 ET by JerI noticed that. [deep sigh] Now you'll really be insufferable. ;-)
Jer
Jer
September 12, 2009 - 23:52 ET by well99Could you give the link of the pro tea party website that put this up?Since those folks there are to the left.
well99
September 13, 2009 - 00:02 ET by JerLefties? Not the guy who put up the pic. Look at his other favorite photos.
Having said that, I thought there were other fake photos. Now, I'm not so sure. Instapundit was making or repeating the 1 1/2-2 million number. I don't recall their source.
Jer
Jer
September 13, 2009 - 00:20 ET by well99Some clown puts up a picture on Twitter doesnt make him a big deal.I could put something up.So what.
"Boy, 2 get all these ppl they must've given away $10 Walmart coupons!
The fact that the Million Moron March had to use a 15 year-old picture to try to convince us that it wasn't just a small group of racist idiots ranting about things they made up... priceless.
Man, that Promise Keepers march in the 1990s was great. But why are posting this today?
@ghouldilocks ...are you twelve... or just stupid? (PS: Look up "Million Man March") Sell it somewhere else toots...
Nice try at trying to pass off a pic from the 90s as being from today, #teabagger #fail
The pathetic, racist teabaggers could only hope for this many people. Haha!
President Obama FTW: http://www.wcbs880.c...
Nice try, a$$clown! YOU LIE! xD"
These are the responses.I dont think this is a conser or tea party site.If it was on NB or Drudge or something would be one thing.Just a note:That 2 million number circulated yesterday by aide for Pelosi.Link up top I believe.Here you go in case I am wrong.
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/political-media/pelosi-dems-bracing-for-huge-turnout-at-glenn-becktea-party-gathering/
Thanks for the link,
September 13, 2009 - 01:31 ET by JerThanks for the link, well99. Look, it was obviously an anti-Obama partisan who posted that photo. But, I made a bigger deal out of the issue than it deserved, because I initially thought there were other phony pics.
You and candance are correct. A twitter picture is pretty thin evidence to support my claim. I'm still not buying the 1 mil+ estimates. But, as I said earlier, it was indeed a very large crowd, and shouldn't be dismissed.
Jer
Jer
September 13, 2009 - 01:38 ET by well99I don’t know how many folks showed up. It was a lot and the debate about numbers isn’t the main thing. These were regular people excising their constitutional rights. It was great to see.
well99
September 13, 2009 - 01:40 ET by JerI agree.
Jer
Found the page over at
September 13, 2009 - 01:19 ET by danboFound the page over at Twitcaps. It actually appears a couple of times there. But you need to get it staight as to what it really is. It's identified as the inaguration and as the 10 million man march. (Unless we have new rules in space/time. It can't be both.)
Some of the other obvious photos there from todays march. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here.
I tend to think 2 mil is way too high. But please provide your evidence that the estimates were based of that photo of the million man/inaguration. Or is this just smoke.
Did Obama use photos of the million man march to get the estimates for his inaguration?
Fair to say. There were a lot more people than Pelosi and Obama wanted.
The full page.
Limited Disclosure: I used to belong to the Sierra Club untill they went crazier. Worse of all, I was bribed by Exxon with free New Orleans Saints glasses with fill ups in the 70's.
And upon what evidence are
September 12, 2009 - 22:36 ET by NL207And upon what evidence are you estimating crowd size?
I don't believe I made an estimate, NL,
September 12, 2009 - 22:49 ET by JerI don't believe I made an estimate, NL, other than to say the crowd was "large" but not in the "millions."
Jer
Then how do you know the
September 12, 2009 - 22:53 ET by NL207Then how do you know the crowd was not one million or more in number?
Looked at a bunch of
September 12, 2009 - 22:58 ET by JerLooked at a bunch of pics. Saw some other estimates. Read somewhere that the organizers had expected upwards of 30k. Difficult to believe their projections would be off by perhaps1,970,000.
Jer
And your expertise at crownd
September 12, 2009 - 22:59 ET by NL207And your expertise at crownd size estimation is what?
I fancy myself an expert at
September 12, 2009 - 23:01 ET by JerI fancy myself an expert at everything. ;-)
Jer
So I have seen. I will
September 12, 2009 - 23:03 ET by NL207So I have seen. I will offer this observation: You will never fly my wing, especially not in combat.
I wasn't exactly
September 12, 2009 - 23:08 ET by JerI wasn't exactly volunteering. But, who knows, with the proper training, you may have been very grateful to have me flying your wing--and vice versa. It was a boyhood dream.
Jer
No amount of training will
September 12, 2009 - 23:23 ET by NL207No amount of training will ever replace a keen eye, good judgement, and spatial reasoning skills. For me, it was a boyhood dream as well. More, it was expected. In the family, you might say.
As to why I would reject you as wing, it's because you make judgements of fact in defiance of the evidence before you. That has fatal consequences in aviation.
Look carefully at those photos the Daily Mail published. How many people can you see just in those panoramas?
26,143.
September 12, 2009 - 23:27 ET by Jer26,143.
okay, this made me laugh
September 12, 2009 - 23:33 ET by candancehad to give you credit.
Cx2
September 13, 2009 - 00:43 ET by MrShyPlease. Don't encourage duncety.
You are probably low by an
September 12, 2009 - 23:34 ET by NL207You are probably low by an order of magnitude.
How far is it from the point the photo was taken to the Capitol steps? How wide is the Mall in this area? Notice that area is absolutely packed with people?
Remember that scene in Gone
September 12, 2009 - 23:52 ET by JerRemember that scene in Gone With The Wind of the 'thousands' of Confederate dead and wounded lying on the streets of Atlanta. Turns out about half were mannequins whose limbs were being manipulated by the actors next to them. Same deal.
Jer
So half of the people we
September 12, 2009 - 23:54 ET by NL207So half of the people we see in those photos are mannequins?
I think Jer is saying his
September 12, 2009 - 23:57 ET by Free StinkerI think Jer is saying his brain is being manipulated by a Manaquin?
Look Mr. NL "keen eye"...
September 13, 2009 - 00:07 ET by JerLook Mr. NL "keen eye"... "good judgment" 207, I do kid around occasionally.
Jer
So do I on occasion. But
September 13, 2009 - 00:22 ET by NL207So do I on occasion. But in this instance, I have a live one on the line who deparately needs his ass shot off.
I think you are looking at 80-100 thousand people in that photo. Other photos indicate the Mall was full all the way back to the Museum of Natural History, fully six blocks west of this photo's vantage point. That suggests a crowd of no less than 500,000 and possibly much more, since it is apparent from the accounts given here that many took they opportunity of being in DC to visit the various attractions there.
I hope your aim was better
September 13, 2009 - 00:29 ET by JerI hope your aim was better in the cockpit of an F-4--you just shot yourself in the foot. If the crowd was over 200,000, have dinner at your favorite restaurant. Send me the bill.
Jer
Let me help you here. The
September 13, 2009 - 00:11 ET by NL207Let me help you here. The photographer appears to have been standing on the US Grant Memorial. That is a little less than 300 yards from the Capitol steps. That block of the Mall is sector shaped. It is about 100 yards wide on average. This is a footprint about the same as all of Giants Stadium including the playing field and that seats nearly 80,000. Now .... how many people do you see?
Thanks, but no thanks...
September 13, 2009 - 00:24 ET by JerI'm sure there is a method of calculation based on known dimensions, overlaying a grid, determining density and extrapolating, but I just don't have the time or inclination. However, I don't see anywhere close to 80,000 in that shot.
Jer
Jer, There were more than
September 13, 2009 - 00:34 ET by Scuba DudeJer,
There were more than 80,000 people at the rally today. Looking at this time-lapse and at this map with crowd etestimates I would have to say there might have been at least 300,000 people.
That's my 20 cents (adjusted for the inflation to come from the LOTUS economy).
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
Scuba Dude....
September 13, 2009 - 01:33 ET by Jer300,000? Well, I may owe NL a dinner in that case. I hate for him to win.
Jer
In case you haven't
September 13, 2009 - 12:55 ET by NL207In case you haven't noticed, I make it my business to win.
As it happens, 300,000 is about the minimum I'd have estimated that crowd. One of the reasons for my uncertainty is the lack of photos of the other end of the Mall, down by the WWII Memorial and in front of the White House. Given the nature of this crowd, I would have expected a lot of anti-Obama demonstrators in the block opposite the White House and few in and around the Reflecting Pool but without photo evidence, there is no way to be sure how many people connected with this event were in evidence in those places.
If that's the business
September 13, 2009 - 23:55 ET by JerIf that's the business you're in, your P&Ls are looking weak. Fortunately, I know a good bankruptsy attorney. ;-)
Jer
Jer
September 13, 2009 - 23:31 ET by dvdaughtryThat is the page I have been looking for!
I share the 250k-300k estimate.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Shhh! Back
September 13, 2009 - 23:56 ET by JerShhh! Back stabber.
Jer
Hey that's what I was gonna
September 12, 2009 - 23:37 ET by GregEHey that's what I was gonna say. LOL
"Boyhood dream"?
September 13, 2009 - 09:17 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonJer was a 'boy' as a child?
Who woulda ever guessed?
Smile Jer, it's all in good fun.
http://gjresult.com
I'm smilin', Willis...only
September 13, 2009 - 23:58 ET by JerI'm smilin', Willis...only way to keep my sanity here. :-)
Jer
So DailyMail was wrong?
September 12, 2009 - 22:53 ET by Free StinkerSo DailyMail was wrong?
Hey Free, I heard you
September 12, 2009 - 22:58 ET by NL207Hey Free, I heard you attended this circus. How was the show?
It was a circus
September 12, 2009 - 23:17 ET by Free StinkerIt was a circus indeed.
Main difference, we had a Ringmaster in charge, and Liberals let their clowns run the circus.
It was hard to hear some of the speakers from where I was earlier in the day, although as I moved around later in the day I found a better spot for it. (I was way back).
. . . and the lines for the Comfort Station were medievil.
Good time though. Met lots of cool people, got lots of nice remarks about my "Palin 2012" sign., etc
"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media." -- Lowell Ponte
Free, Hope you took lots
September 12, 2009 - 23:25 ET by Scuba DudeFree, Hope you took lots of pictures!!
Think you might write something in the Forum on your experiance? And that goes for anyone else who attended.
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
Scoob
September 12, 2009 - 23:27 ET by Free StinkerAbout 1/2 dozen pics on Facebook right now.
The 1st part (March) was cool. As most folks marched, there were people lining the route cheering us on.
Nice pics Free. How come
September 12, 2009 - 23:57 ET by Scuba DudeNice pics Free. How come none of you?
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
Hard to take a pic of
September 12, 2009 - 23:59 ET by Free StinkerHard to take a pic of yourself . . .
The Morristown Tea Party pics I have of myself were someone eleses and I gave them my email and pleaded for a copy.
I am not a fan of crowds.
September 12, 2009 - 23:27 ET by NL207I am not a fan of crowds. In fact, I detest them.
But I still support what you were doing there in support of conservatism and limited government.
Alas, I'm afraid so,
September 12, 2009 - 22:58 ET by JerAlas, I'm afraid so, Free.
Jer
This is an interesting
September 12, 2009 - 22:45 ET by GregEThis is an interesting article on crowd sizes, using the inauguration as the example for the mall.
http://news.cnet.com...
Say it ain't so...
September 12, 2009 - 22:49 ET by PrairieSkyThe MSM is downplaying the crowd size at the D.C. rally today? No! I'm just stunned...
They make no attempt to even pretend to be fairhanded in their coverage anymore, do they? The differing photos tell that tale.
The best estimate of the crowd size is 1.5 to 2 million people, and even if you lowball it, and go with a million, the Times' estimate of "tens of thousands" is laughable.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
There is still no proof. The
September 12, 2009 - 22:57 ET by 24enakThere is still no proof. The Daily Mail, much like Michelle Malkin and everyone else who has said two million offers no proof or evidence of how they arrived at two million protesters. There wasn't over a million people there, let a lone two. The NYT's headline is far more accurate, but their photo is misleading.
Speaking of misleading where is the caption for the Daily Mail's photo which reads " Tens of thousands of people converged on Capitol Hill on Saturday to protest against government spending"
How many people appear in
September 12, 2009 - 23:09 ET by NL207How many people appear in the photos the Daily Mail has published?
The tens of thousands started with AP
September 12, 2009 - 23:15 ET by averageschmoeAP has been very biased this year. Every time I see a biased story on any site I always scroll to the end and see AP (Associated Press) They are everywhere.
the dailymail
September 13, 2009 - 13:31 ET by katainkentgot their information from the Washington Homeland Security and Emergency Management Agency. Call and complain to them.
Regardless of 1 person, or 1
September 12, 2009 - 23:11 ET by GregERegardless of 1 person, or 1 million people, or none at all...............the big arse government is still wrong and overreaching and power hungry!!!!!!!
Michelle Malkin
September 12, 2009 - 23:12 ET by Chaitealovercredited the DC police with a count of 1.2 million at 12:34 EDT. While I agree crowd counts are usually off at first, I would think they would be the most experienced at counting crowds in that area.
She's got a couple more great pictures, too.
Chai
“When all government...in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the center of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided...” Thomas Jefferson
not quite, chai
September 12, 2009 - 23:22 ET by candanceMalkin is linking to Tabitha Hale's claim that the DC Police said that. Malkin herself has not been able to personally verify yet.
Police estimate
September 12, 2009 - 23:33 ET by Free StinkerI thought (but I could be mistaken) that the DC Police didn't give out crowd estimates.
that's the rub
September 12, 2009 - 23:35 ET by candanceThey've refused to give a number to the news outlets, but Malkin is standing behind a blogger who claims to have been told off the record. Curiouser and curiouser.
Lost in all the crowd
September 12, 2009 - 23:39 ET by Free StinkerLost in all the crowd estimates is the fact that those of us there were not the typical rent-a-mob crowds seen at Liberal protests.
the last thing we need
September 12, 2009 - 23:56 ET by candanceis some idiot on the right making up numbers. If Matt Kibbe lied (and it's looking like he did) then he should be drummed out of FreedomWorks.
And as usual, instead of talking about the point of the rally we're arguing over bogus estimates. Matt Kibbe and Joe Wilson will be all the MSM talks about for the next week. And even when the true number is finally determined, lefties will continue to use Matt Kibbe as a debate tactic and history books will record that conservatives "lied" about a protest.
I guess my phrase "Lost in
September 13, 2009 - 00:00 ET by Free StinkerI guess my phrase "Lost in the crowd estimates" wasn't very clear.
sorry Free
September 13, 2009 - 00:02 ET by candanceI got your point and then went off on a soapbox. I wax verbose when you get me going.
sorry if I stepped on your toes.
Candance
September 13, 2009 - 00:06 ET by Free StinkerI appologize. I'm a bit cranky.
I met a lot of people who came from TEXAS and ARIZONA and UTAH, meanwhile . . .
. . . people who could have driven there but didn't (probably wasn't important enough) are all chirping about what the crowd size was.
I'm sorry!
September 13, 2009 - 00:09 ET by candanceI really am! I tried and tried to talk hubby into it, but there were just too many obstacles.
As an aside, here is a very interesting diagram (HT Malkin) about how officials determine crowds.
Any takers on that diagram vs the photos?
The area they mark as 240k
September 13, 2009 - 00:19 ET by Free StinkerThe area they mark as 240k (minus the rightmost rectangle) was what was used, and above and below. Packed in like sardines in some parts.
Very good Candance
September 13, 2009 - 13:12 ET by general companyJust by using the photo above, it looks as if there are at least 250K there. No doubt there were many more behind the photographer as well. Judging by the photos I have looked at and using your "diagram" I would guess 500K is not so far fetched. Would not be suprised to here more, but certainly not much less.
I listen to Hannity speak with one of the organizers friday, they were only anticapating 50K. Even I knew that was a light estimate.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Free...
September 13, 2009 - 09:34 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonAs is the case of MOST Conservatives, we have jobs.
Driving 1200 miles between friday afternoon quitting time and arriving AND finding a parking spot just isn't feasible.
And to not include the counts of all the gatherings across the Nation is to diminish THEIR EFFORTS to be heard also.
No other event has had gatherings all across the country like this movement.
Not the 30 man march, not the moms for more money, no inauguration, no Head of State funeral, NOTHING!
Not even for teddy the drunken womanizer lady killer had gatherings in his honor in nearly every city and town across the nation.
Just my nickles worth.... Thanks for listening.
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Willis
September 13, 2009 - 23:00 ET by Free Stinker1,200 miles isn't what I consider "could have driven in"
I was referring to people in New York City, New Jersey, and Virginia.
NPS does estimate the crowd
September 12, 2009 - 23:38 ET by NL207NPS does estimate the crowd for ever major rally / demonstration. [NPS = National Parks Service, the parent org of the DC police.]
All I know is that I go to
September 13, 2009 - 05:57 ET by GrannyGrump42All I know is that I go to March for Life pretty often (which is big), but the size of this crowd literally stunned me. I stood there with my jaw hitting my shoetops and yelled, "Holy s**t!" So however many people typically show for March for Life, if you doubled it you'd probably be in the ballpark.
The best way to make an
September 12, 2009 - 23:31 ET by JimmeThe best way to make an estimate would probably be to compare the crowds
that day with those of prior events like the "million man march", the
inauguration or even with those of say Times Square on
New Years Eve. In NYC the crowd estimates are incredibly accurate with the NYPD
being one of the best in the world at crowd control.
I agree, jimme
September 12, 2009 - 23:31 ET by candanceWe can usually get estimates from police pretty quick. It is strange that they declined to comment. And I'm still waiting to see if the park & recreation quote is real.
I think I read somewhere
September 12, 2009 - 23:40 ET by Scuba DudeI think I read somewhere that the National Park Service stopped estimating crowds after The "Million Man" march
The park service stopped releasing crowd estimates in 1996, when
Congress stripped its budget of money to do so following a controversy
over the estimate for the 1994 Million Man March.
Of course they reversed that course for the inauguration of the LOTUS.
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
LOTUS?
September 13, 2009 - 09:36 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonShouldn't that be LTOTUS? Lying Teleprompter..
http://gjresult.com
I am sticking with LOTUS,
September 13, 2009 - 12:15 ET by Scuba DudeI am sticking with LOTUS, it is easier to pronounce. : )
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
kinda sounds like
September 13, 2009 - 12:21 ET by katainkentLoqutis (of Borg) You will be assimilated.
yes, yes I am a geek.
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Crowd estimates mostly just game playing
September 12, 2009 - 23:35 ET by richb313For years crowd estimates have mostly been games played by people who want numbers either inflated or deflated for political purposes. Yesterday Nancy Pelosi's office warned of expected crowds around two million. This was to put out an expectation that could not be met thereby allowing the liberals to declre the event a failure.
The Million man march on Washington several years ago had big crowds, around the same size we saw today, and the MSM trumpeted that over a Million People had showed up. The reality was a lot less, maybe in the range of 400,000 to 600,000 people. Rather than tell the truth the MSM just made the numbers up. I think this is how the Daily Mail got the 1.5 million figure. They compared photos from previous events and the published estimates. What they could not take into consideration is the games played with those numbers. This is the reason the Park service does not estimate crowd sizes, they do not want to get in the middle of the game.
Without a good overhead photo where we can see the entire crowd it will be difficult to make a good estimate. In New Orleans the way the city is able to estimate the crowd size at Mardi Gras is to weigh the trash they sweep up off the streets after Mardi Gras ends. They have used this method for years and have it pretty fine tuned.
I think it is safe to say that the crowd was over 200,000 and probably not over 600,000 people. Either way it was a tremendous success. Do not let being short of the Million figure dishearten anyone because I do not think that there has EVER BEEN over a million show up for anything. The numbers are inflated all the time.
TWO MILLION? I'll guess that
September 12, 2009 - 23:38 ET by balboaTWO MILLION? I'll guess that the answer lies somewhere in between, but I find it hard to believe that THAT many people were there. I was in Bethesda, and I didn't encounter any traffic problems of any kind. I would think I would if 2 million people had actually converged on D.C.
We had traffic problems
September 12, 2009 - 23:40 ET by Free StinkerWe had traffic problems going south on MD 295 . . .
It was definitely between 2
September 12, 2009 - 23:42 ET by GregEIt was definitely between 2 and 2 million. I bet my life's savings on it.
Wow Greg
September 13, 2009 - 11:26 ET by shawn228I'll take that bet. Are there any American news stations that say there were over 2 million?
"I swear sometimes the self-appointed moral police are as obnoxious and demanding of big government interference as "environmentalist" gun control advocates, labor unions and trial lawyers"~fitzfong
My daughter lives in DC. I
September 13, 2009 - 00:13 ET by KarmaMy daughter lives in DC. I live in a small Ohio town. There were millions of people cloging the highways between us. It would have taken me hours to get there. Millions.
Healthcare...Food...Education...Housing... - What sprouted as free for some is maturing into a free-for-all.
And I'm saying that a couple
September 13, 2009 - 00:25 ET by balboaAnd I'm saying that a couple of miles from these "millions," it was just an ordinary day.
Sure was, bal.
September 13, 2009 - 00:48 ET by KarmaSure was.
Maybe out of those millions, that you finally admit to, some had a slight sense of humor.
Healthcare...Food...Education...Housing... - What sprouted as free for some is maturing into a free-for-all.
Geez, talk about pissing on a parade...
September 13, 2009 - 11:40 ET by SickofLibsI live 350 miles away, and I couldn't get out of my driveway.
You'd be surprised
September 13, 2009 - 23:12 ET by JimmeWhere I live in Manhattan, NYC, we have a population of just under 2 million yet during the weekday we can have 4-5 million people on the Island. Thats why during the weekend when we have super events like Marathon or the Purto Rican day and Thanks Giving day parade (which draw crowds over a million) you won't even notice it if your not in the immediate area.
D.C. probably has around 1.5-2 million people there working during the week day and only a fraction left over the weekend. Thats probably why even with a 1-2million person event you might not notice the difference a few miles away.
thousands of signs, and
September 12, 2009 - 23:45 ET by GregEthousands of signs, and Yahoo decided to post this one....
http://news.yahoo.co...
(in case they change it, here's what is/was there... http://news.yahoo.co...
LaRouche Plant
September 12, 2009 - 23:55 ET by Free StinkerYou can see that's Larouche.com in the lower part of the pic.
And what political party is Larouche affiliated with? Hint: Not (R)
Good eyes Free
September 13, 2009 - 00:31 ET by well99If it had been in braille I would of caught it.
I think both parties have
September 13, 2009 - 00:33 ET by JerI think both parties have tried to disown that nut, haven't they?
Jer
Really Jer?
September 13, 2009 - 00:51 ET by RESTLESS 17 out of 8 times, he has run for president as a democrat. Quit trying to equivocate. He is one of yours. Deal with it.
You know, you do the same thing with racism. Only ONE party has a history of racism in this country, and it's YOURS.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
The facts are that the
September 12, 2009 - 23:51 ET by jdhawkThe facts are that the police do have an estimate of the crowd that showed up. There job is to protect the nation's capitol. To do that, they have to have a reserve force themselves and cooperation from local, state, and federal law enforcement to deal with large crowds. They have to alter/modify their own duty rosters when big events like this occur. That is based on what it would take to step in and quell a crowd should it get out of hand.
Either they were asked by the government owned media and the media didn't like what they heard or the media didn't ask fearing the answer. Clearly tens of thousands of protesters is wholly inadequate. Or, as a certain congressman from South Carolina put it a couple of days ago regarding the Liar in Chief, Liar!
I'm not buying that
September 13, 2009 - 00:01 ET by candanceEither they were asked by the government owned media and the media didn't like what they heard or the media didn't ask fearing the answer.
That doesn't explain why Fox News or other freelance journalists would not be able to ask. I find it hard to believe that they would falsely accuse the police of refusing an answer.
Gut instinct tells me it was around 500k, but was still more than the police had prepared for, so they were ill equipped to count the entire crowd.
Strange that there's no arial, though.
Maybe not so strange
September 13, 2009 - 09:37 ET by general companyStrange that there's no arial, though.
Considering maybe only Gov. flight is allowed? Do they allow privet planes and helio's anymore?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Fox News has reported the
September 12, 2009 - 23:58 ET by goldwaterfanFox News has reported the number as "tens of thousands" all day today. The best estimate is probably between 50 and 70 thousand.
No, there were that many in
September 13, 2009 - 00:07 ET by GregENo, there were that many in line for the restroom at the National Gallery of Art. LOL
Fox had a reason
September 13, 2009 - 00:31 ET by richb313Fox had a reason for reporting the crowd in the tens of thousands. It is because they did not want to be portrayed as ginning up the numbers. Tens of thousands covers all the estimates from 70,00o to 1,000,000 or more. It is an accurate statement but the down side is that it does not convey the true scope of the event. Not having a reliable and confirmable source they could use for crowd estimates this was all they were really left with. I have not seen one photo that shows the entire crowd. Partial shots, no matter how dramatic, can accurately be used to estimate the crowd except for the lower range of numbers. Without a single photo or a composite that shows the entire crowd it will be difficult to get a good estimate.
Nah
September 13, 2009 - 12:46 ET by nwahsIf it was over 200,000 people, "hundreds of thousands" would've been accurate. "Tens of thousands" implies about 30,000-200,000 people.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
I was just ONE
September 13, 2009 - 00:21 ET by GregEI was just ONE person.........who thinks government is out of control and looking to absolutely rule our lives........and other one persons are you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and ..
I estimate
September 13, 2009 - 00:33 ET by richb313I estimate about 180 you.
specific numbers don't matter
September 13, 2009 - 01:20 ET by katainkentit was a crapload (yes, crapload) of people that filled the park as far as the eye could see and there was no violence and there was no vandalism. There was singing and dancing and prayer. It was amazing and it was a great high note to what will hopefully be a continuing trend.
The media wants us to think we're alone and we're not. They want us to think we're vile and we're not. They want us cowering in our houses afraid to speak our minds and we're not. Our President told us to shut up and get out of the way and we wont!
I have to work in like, a couple hrs ... I should really be sleeping but I am still just a little ...giddy.
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if you think healthcare is expensive now - wait until its free
Noel
September 13, 2009 - 02:07 ET by MrShy"(h/t NBer MrShy and reader Keith Brown):"
Mr. Shy does a James Brown 360, and then a full split.
Btw, I think someone else here initially provided the Daily Mail link, but I'm forgetting who now... and no, not trying to withhold additional credits. :)
MrShy, Bask in the
September 13, 2009 - 02:21 ET by hydrodynDMMrShy,
Bask in the glory.
It's been a couple of years since I've gotten Mr. Sheppard's attention and I have to say, I miss it like the sun misses the flower.
Too fruity?
Hydro
September 13, 2009 - 02:30 ET by MrShyHaha, no, not too fruity. Besides, male-to-male affection like that just shows you're a real man. What I mean is....
:)
And yeah, I was definitely H/T'ed once before, that I'm aware of, also a while back.
The Parks Dept
September 13, 2009 - 06:59 ET by Chattychitoreported that is was the cleanest protest yet. there was not even half the trash on the ground as there was the day after the Big O inauguration.
Everyone was respectable when the event was over many went home. not the typical stick around and party types that end up being arrested fro disorderly conduct. the Police even commented that the people were well behaved.
There were no broken windows, burnt trash cans or car tires. no one wore masks and carried commie rags. many carried the American flag and not one got burned. much different than any previous protest against any president since Nixon.
oh the secret service was everywhere taking pictures.
"A man who doesn't borrow from the brains of others proves he has no brains of his own." CH Spurgeon
ChattyChitto- wow, they
September 13, 2009 - 08:23 ET by JAJTChattyChitto-
wow, they think that this crowd was far the best,cleanest and respectful! if only that peson would go on TV and say it whenever the conservatives are called racist, white-trash andall the names in the book.
makes me proud of the people who attended yesterdy-that they were respectful and all-shows the true meaning of conservative values.
JAJT
I expected nothing less.
September 13, 2009 - 12:46 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonUnlike the whiners, WE understand that somebody has to clean up afterwards.
Unlike the whiners, WE end up PAYING for cleaning up any messes left behind.
Unlike whiners, WE do not go out of our way to make another persons job more difficult.
Unlike the whiners, WE RESPECT OUR LANDS, as well as our government building and grounds.
And YES, it should be the major topic of discussion on all TV and radio, just to illustrate the difference between the PRODUCERS and the whiners.
http://gjresult.com
My Take on Size
September 13, 2009 - 07:14 ET by JayHI arrived before 6AM (because we drove all night from Texas), and it was a good thing we weren't too much later because I was surprised to see that there was already a steady stream of traffic coming in.
We were near the front of the march (but I also know that there were many in front of us and many who were aready at the capitol), and had no way to see how many people were there, but we after walking 1/2 way to the capitol that it would more fun to watch the march from the side (like spectators at a parade). I can not tell you how amazed I was by how many people kept coming by. We were there for a couple of hours.
I have been to UMich and UT football games, and I am certain that this crowd engulfs 100K estimate easily many times over. However, once you get so big, how can you tell? I called my wife and said that I felt that the crowd was approaching 1Mil, but I also mentioned that once you get so large, who knows?!
It would seem the Capitol police may have a good perspective, but how many events of this scope have they seen? And, relative to other events (like a NY marathon, for example), the police presence was extremely minimal. I saw very very few (and due to my line of work, I look for this). Also, I can assure you that the amount of trash for this is not going to be anything like the amount of trash at Mardi Gras. Each event has it's own dynamics, and maybe after several of these, you could start to be able to gauge crowd size based on the tash left.
So, I guess I am not being too helpful, but what I can say is that I was speechless by the volume, and I think that this says something because I have been around. It was amazing. Tens of thousands doesn't even come close to beginning to describe it - that's laughable. Hundreds of thousands begins to. Over a million?... I know I am not the source to be able to say, but I wouldn't dismiss the possibility of it either.
Damn
September 13, 2009 - 08:02 ET by nwahsDamn hippies
:D
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
Well this is 300,000
September 13, 2009 - 07:47 ET by nwahsThis is a 300,000 crowd.
Again, what is the major difference ( other than trash) in its effect if it's 200,000 or 2 million?
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
I reckon either way with
September 13, 2009 - 07:50 ET by kangarooI reckon either way with 100 thousand or 1million it was a huge turn out, a real eye opener for the gov.
Lots more people than obamas telepropter reelection tour of MN, I bet he couldn't get out of town fast enough, oh hang, on he didn't know anything about the rally, which makes him look even worse if he admits he doesn't even know whats going on in America (just can't say his county cause its not)
how many at Obama's
September 13, 2009 - 08:18 ET by JAJThow many at Obama's inaguration? cuz this crowd looks bigger than that! and yes i am viewing it with my baised conservative eyes!
i was so impressed and excited to see how many people showed up. meanwhile the coward prez flees to MN.
JAJT
Talk About MISLEADING!!!!!
September 13, 2009 - 08:40 ET by BondPlainBondThe Daily Gazette, Schenectady NY
Talk about MISLEADING!
You'd think all those people at the Capitol were there for "Obama Takes Plan to People".
The number is probably
September 13, 2009 - 09:21 ET by general companySomewhere in between, it was an impressive turnout regaurdless how the srm wants to report it. The President and Congress can ignore it at their own peril. I for one am very proud of my fellow countrymen and woman, and dissapointed I could not be there with them.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Evacuation!
September 13, 2009 - 09:39 ET by slickwillie2001The funniest part of this whole deal was the Bamster's strategic evacuation of the White House. Think he wore horse blinders on his way to the helicopter so he wouldn't catch a glance of a disparaging sign that might have bruised his ever-so-thin skin? Was the few thousand in Minneapolis enough of a fix for his raging narcissism?
There's more, –he has a big speech for Monday on the economy. He must be spending all day Sunday in a crash course on economics.
Slickwillie -
September 13, 2009 - 09:45 ET by FeynmanFanObama's crash course on economics will be comprised of 2 quick games of Monopoly.
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
Re Monopoly
September 13, 2009 - 11:29 ET by slickwillie2001...and if he starts to lose he'll throw a temper tantrum and take over the bank.
More Monopoly
September 13, 2009 - 11:34 ET by FeynmanFanI heard he's having folks from Acorn come in to take over the other players' houses and hotels.
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
Brings back old times
September 13, 2009 - 11:34 ET by StarAZBack in the day--we went by police estimates, not self-interested, biased press estimates...what did the police say? (They were malleable, too, as I recall.) Well, MILLIONS are "thousands"--lots of thousands. Just like "this won't cost one dime." No--10 trillion dimes or more!
Are Axelrod and the other rods...
September 13, 2009 - 11:35 ET by StarAZHaven't checked the chatter--are they out in force spinning?
Chatter about what?
September 13, 2009 - 11:41 ET by SickofLibsDid something happen?
/
By all accounts the crowd
September 13, 2009 - 12:32 ET by Tom PaineBy all accounts the crowd was polite, well behaved, and cleaned up their trash before they left. Can someone put together pictures of the grounds taken after this event vs any liberal marches held in DC? I'm sure it would be very revealing.
September 13, 2009 - 12:43 ET by jessieHThey aint seen nothing, yet!
The DUHnderground
September 13, 2009 - 13:29 ET by RR GOPThe DUHnderground commenters mentioned low numbers, but I learned long ago that Libtards don't know how to count (real science and math was never as important to them as social science). Why not just "a few dozen"?
They've (Communists) always been swayed by numbers because that's their herd/sheeple mentality. They just always thought they'd be the shepherds...and they don't like it.
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
IPCC's use of (is it) 65%
September 13, 2009 - 19:58 ET by danboIPCC's use of (is it) 65% as the threshold for very likely is a good example. (About the same odds of tossing 10 coins and getting 6 heads.)
Limited Disclosure: I used to belong to the Sierra Club untill they went crazier. Worse of all, I was bribed by Exxon with free New Orleans Saints glasses with fill ups in the 70's.
Kinda hard to count that high...
September 13, 2009 - 15:20 ET by m4ster chief...when they are using their fingers and toes.
The Cincinnati Enquirer used the NYT story 'way below the fold this morning, and gave more coverage to the "Run For The Cure." Thumbing through the A-section, I saw other stories that I read in WND and NB three & four days ago.
This is a genuine "lame stream media" rag, and now that I can get local TV schedule listings online, I will not be renewing my Sunday-only subscription next June.
"I am Joe Wilson!"
m4ster chief
September 13, 2009 - 15:30 ET by FeynmanFanThe Dayton Daily News buried their only story about the rally on page A21. The front page, top-of-the fold story was about the remnants of the hurricane that came through here last year. They are even lamer than the Enquirer.
(By the way, nobody gets to E9 by getting lucky. I made it to E6 in 8 years, and that wasn't exactly a walk in the park.)
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
Hurricane story...
September 13, 2009 - 17:10 ET by m4ster chiefYeah, they did the Big Wind of '08 above the fold here also.
You're in Dayton, huh? I did three years recruiting duty in that area...Springfield, Dayton, Trotwood. When the office was down on East Fourth Street, we had to give the SBTB and ASVAB to an average 140 applicants per month to make our quota of 12 to 16 warm bodies. HA-HA...good times (just didn't realize it back then.)
(Luck has more to do with it than you might think, shipmate. But I did spend considerable time reading the obituaries in Navy Times, evaluating my chances. And then, after I made it, I realized there were a bunch of guys out there looking to see if my name was there...they wanted my stripe...heh-heh..)
thanks for the hat tip
September 13, 2009 - 20:17 ET by triadwatchThanks for the hat tip on this post . Keith Brown
The Next Rally
September 13, 2009 - 22:53 ET by ChattychitoShould be in a few weeks the day after they cram through bigO's helath plan.
We need all the military to come with us in ful uniform, we need teh miltisa to come, we need everyone to come. the Police wont kow what to do except join the RIGHT side and free America.
Nobody leaves until Obama's out by military coup. Just like Honduras take him to the airport and put his 4$$ ona plane for Kenya.
"A man who doesn't borrow from the brains of others proves he has no brains of his own." CH Spurgeon
We wont need a revolt if that's what you're suggesting.
September 13, 2009 - 22:56 ET by Free StinkerWe wont need a revolt if that's what you're suggesting.
You forget that the Military and Federal Law Officers take an Oath the the Constitution, not the President.
If it need come to that YES
September 13, 2009 - 23:04 ET by Chattychitowell is is either revolt or socialism? we don't have to fire a shot if the Military and police and emergency groups all join our side. with Military, police, Emergency Home land Security teams on our side the Dem's and the dead beat citizens who want Socialism wont be able to do anything to stop it. Unless we let him have his new black panther citizen army first. but what are they against the nation?
"A man who doesn't borrow from the brains of others proves he has no brains of his own." CH Spurgeon
→ I don't think so
September 13, 2009 - 23:12 ET by Cool ArrowHis power base will be neutralized in the next election, leaving him the lamest duck since Jimmy Carter.
I know it's going to be painful for all those people who put their trust in the benevolence of this man, but what has been legislated can also be un-legislated.
Short of opening up the prisons to conscript his National Defense Force, I don't see him getting it done in two years.
3 yrs 129 days 14 hrs and ....
September 13, 2009 - 23:17 ET by katainkentbut whose counting. :) 1 yr etc for congress. *crosses fingers*
we can't wait a year
September 13, 2009 - 23:52 ET by ChattychitoIN twelve months at 550million per month (if I heard Beck correctly) we are talking somewhere around $6,600,000,000.00 that doesn't have to even be incurred.
"A man who doesn't borrow from the brains of others proves he has no brains of his own." CH Spurgeon
I don't know
September 13, 2009 - 23:25 ET by bigtimerI don't know Cool,
Un-legislating some things is next to impossible...I fear OCare, in whatever form it gets it's start, Amnesty, Card Check, Fairness Doctrine and last not least Cap and Trade are going to be perfect examples of what I mean...and I do think we need to fear these being passed with some toe in the door that will eventually open wider over the years no matter what happens if these are not stopped.
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
you got BT
September 13, 2009 - 23:36 ET by Chattychitoit is not just the congress it is the man in office that must go to.
If not he'll make a real mess no matter which way it goes. Look at the trade fiasco already in motion with China? He will cripple us any way we turn it is time to move and totally make him powerless to the umpteenth degree.
This man will do whatever it takes to change the constitutional system into a socialistic system even if it means hurting his own supporters. they would be considered necessary collateral damage
"A man who doesn't borrow from the brains of others proves he has no brains of his own." CH Spurgeon
Well It would be better
September 13, 2009 - 23:53 ET by Chattychitothe way you describe it Cool but we need keep our guard up until after the 2010 elections. but what damage will his stimulus debt and HR3200 do in the next year at an increase of $550million of debt per month. Not to mention the trade mess he is making trying to appease the union bosses who are loosing money in the tire business.
"A man who doesn't borrow from the brains of others proves he has no brains of his own." CH Spurgeon
There wont be a
September 13, 2009 - 23:13 ET by Free StinkerThere wont be a revolt.
No Blue Dog wants to lose next year and the Genius of our founders is being seen in the seperation of powers.
Remember Obama wanted the vote on Healthcare finished *before* August. It's mid-September now.
We just had 2 Million People in a DC Protest. Obama is not a King. Even if he didn't notice the protest, you can bet that Senators and Representatives did, and he needs them to pass this legislation.
All they have to do is to
September 13, 2009 - 23:15 ET by RR GOPAll they have to do is to target the loudest of the conservatives as plotting to blow up something, kidnapping, child molesting, whatever and the police will round them up none the wiser. The rest of us will shut up and fall into line. Who would defend common criminals after all? We should have learned that after what happened to Gordon Kahl, Bill Cooper, the Weaver family, the Branch Davidians...
The other scenario is that Al-Qaeda has planted a nuke in a semi. They'll have to put up major roadblocks throughout the country and check every truck. That would back up traffic for miles and miles all over the country, and effectively cut off fuel, food, etc. or at least down to a trickle.
They don't need to risk direct confrontation with the hot heads to win, and it would in no way be advantageous to them to do so.
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
In this INTERNET WORLD of data collection...
September 13, 2009 - 23:37 ET by upcountrywaterThere should not be a mystery as to the number of folk that wondered around in DC on 09-12-09...
Shutting down the air-space was a BRILLANT plan by the Joker fly King.
Man oh man to be on the AF-1 AS IT MADE A LANDING in DC... You must CLOSE the window shades and if you look out of the plane, you will be banned from ever flying with obamby again.
Note: The latest rule is the window shades must be UP.
Just one lousy web cam, and that is all??
yes more than 200,000 folk.
NL 207 Restaurant suggestion
State controlled health care is Tort Reform.
Wait a minute, ucw...My
September 15, 2009 - 22:27 ET by JerWait a minute, ucw...
My offer didn't include travel expenses. Besides, FreedomWorks has already made a million teapartiers disappear in just the past 24 hours by slashing their original estimate essentially in half. I'll wait until the ball finally stops bouncing before throwing in the towel. My wife and son will be forced to subsist on bread and water for a couple of weeks if I have to pick up the tab for NL's gourmet meal. :-)
Jer
Why didn't they just have everyone count off?
September 14, 2009 - 11:54 ET by MightyMouthLast guy yells: "Two Million and one!" Bingo! No controversy!
Compare Million Man March
To this...
"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"
MM
September 14, 2009 - 12:02 ET by well99Good job.
Or
September 14, 2009 - 13:04 ET by Chaitealoverthey could just install turnstiles at every entrance, like at Disneyland, then the count would be automatic :-)
Chai
“When all government...in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the center of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided...” Thomas Jefferson
"Tea party" photo shows huge crowd -- at different event
September 14, 2009 - 13:47 ET by SeeksTruthPOLITIFACT DECLARES THE 2 MILLION ATTENDANCE AS "PANTS-ON-FIRE"
http://www.politifac...
"With headlines that said the rally organized by the conservative group
FreedomWorks drew as many as 2 million people, the photo showed a sea
of protesters that stretched more than a mile from the Capitol to the
Washington Monument. Conservative blog postings and Facebook updates
said the media was unfairly reporting much smaller numbers...But after marching down Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol the crowd "only filled the Capitol grounds, maybe up to Third Street,...Yet
the photo showed the crowd sprawling far beyond that to the Washington
Monument, which is bordered by 15th and and 17th Streets.
There's
another big problem with the photograph: it doesn't include the
National Museum of the American Indian, a building located at the
corner of Fourth St. and Independence Ave. that opened on Sept. 14,
2004. (Looking at the photograph, the building should be in the upper
right hand corner of the National Mall, next to the Air and Space
Museum.) That means the picture was taken before the museum opened
exactly five years ago. So clearly the photo doesn't show the "tea
party" crowd from the Sept. 12 protest.
Also worth noting are the cranes in front of the Natural History
Museum (the second building from the lower left of the National Mall).
According to Randall Kremer, the museum's Director of Public Affairs,
"The last time cranes were in front was in the 1990s when the IMAX
theater was being built."
That makes the picture at least a decade old. (We'll update this item if we find out when exactly it was taken.)
Exposing YOUR Media Bias
Excellent catch. No
September 14, 2009 - 13:58 ET by celatorExcellent catch.
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
PerpetuateLies,I do not
September 14, 2009 - 14:43 ET by Scuba DudePerpetuateLies,
I do not think anyone on this site used that photograph as proof of the size of the crowds. Most of us have been using this video and this graph (which was used to gauge the crowd size at the inauguration of your Messiah, the LOTUS) to try and figure out the size of the crowd at the 09/12 demonstration in DC.
So peddle your bias elsewhere.
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
Giant cut-n-paste from politifacts = SOP. Yawn.
September 14, 2009 - 15:02 ET by SickofLibsOne photo used on a few blogs debunked.
Now debunk all the other photos and all the youtube videos.
I'm sure you visited mediamatters,org, too. Nothing good enough for you there? Because I saw they had some "real convincing material".
bahaha
September 14, 2009 - 18:17 ET by katainkentI think this is the same twitterpic that Jer brought up. lol. It was by someone being sarcastic! Using it to pick on the rally. It was accompanied by some rather nasty text.
kata...don't laugh too hard.
September 14, 2009 - 18:22 ET by JerIt is indeed the same picture, but it was posted by an anti-Obama partisan [and apparently picked up and posted by some conservative sites.] True, the commenters on the twitter page exposed the hoax.
Jer
oh... its still funny Jer
September 14, 2009 - 18:27 ET by katainkentthere are sheep on all sides of an argument. And some people simply don't have the savvy to verify the facts. And some people are just excited about finally having a voice. Politifact refuses to recognizes all these factors and instead focuses solely on the negative.
Anatomy of a Propaganda
September 15, 2009 - 15:36 ET by 007memoAnatomy of a Propaganda Lie
Where did the lie begin? Likely with this:
"Matt Kibbe, president of FreedomWorks, the group that organized the event, said on stage at the rally Saturday that ABC News was reporting that 1 million to 1.5 million people were in attendance. "
In fact, ABC reported 60,000 - 70,000 attended and Kibbe, on Sunday, apologized for his blunder:
"They (ABC) didn't say it. I regret misrepresenting the network, as their coverage that day was fair and honest."
Now Kibbe may be dumb like a fox since many people who heard that ridiculously high estimate will maintain that as fact, no matter how well that "fact" is debunked. That's the purpose of propaganda.
The false 1-2 million estimate was picked up by right wing bloggers and presented as fact on their websites.
As confirmation of the lies/propaganda, they cited the London Daily Mail (which is a right wing newspaper) claim that "as many as one million" protesters showed up. But other than the Daily Mail, there is not another Press account corroaborating that number.
You even had Glenn Beck on 9/14 lying that "They quote a source from the Park Service, the National Park Service, saying that it is the largest march on Washington ever. And they also quote somebody in the White House saying that the White House was shocked at the number." Glenn Beck, as usual, proves his admonition that you need to "check my facts for yourself" because those two statements are simply Beck's bald faced lies.
Contrary to lies by Beck, Hannity, Doucy et als, to the contrary, Fox News journalists report on the Fox Website that "tens of thousands" attended the march. But those journalists do have some standards (and conscience) to uphold while the propagandist bloviators have no such standards.
So with the complicity of right wing propagandist bloggers, Fox News personalities and millionaire talk radio charlatans the big lie is propagated to the sheep who desperately want to believe their propaganda.
You can glean the excitement in some (not all) of the commenters feel on this site, how wonderful it is that millions of protesters just like them showed up for the largest march on Washington in the nation's history. They want desperately to believe this, so they do.
Then we come to the dissembling presented by this blogger, Noel Sheppard. Consider the definition of dissembling: "to put on a false appearance : conceal facts, intentions, or feelings under some pretense".
He depends on and appeals to the prejudices and preconceived notions that the grand majority of his readers likely hold: "you can't trust the librul press". Therefore he uses the pretense that since the librul New York Times reports only thousands of protesters showed up, versus the London Daily Mail who claims possibly millions, that the Daily Mail's must be the true estimate.
This type of dissembling is despicable.
Cmon, get over it, you'll survive somehow
September 15, 2009 - 15:46 ET by SickofLibsWhere you one of the 200-300 that showed up for the 9/13 Obamacare Rally in DC?
Some said it was as many as 800, but that was probably really high.
→ 007memo
September 15, 2009 - 15:57 ET by Cool ArrowMeanwhile, you have no problem with ACORN promoting child sex slavery.
But omigosh! There's something fishy about these attendance numbers!
007memo, do realize how silly and uni-compartmentalized your sense of priorities are?
You're still harping on last week's news, and you can't seem to stop.
We just come in here to laugh at you, and you answer with a dissertation that we don't even bother to read.
Please type up another reply. Memory is cheap. It's obviously not a cathartic experience for you, and you're barely getting a snicker from us anymore.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
What Acorn's People did is disgusting, coolarrow
September 15, 2009 - 16:05 ET by 007memoWhat Acorn's people were caught doing in Baltimore and New York is disgusting. But that doesn't seem to be the topic of this blog.
That doesn't change the fact about the propaganda perpatrated on this blog.
→ Still squealing.
September 15, 2009 - 16:13 ET by Cool ArrowOK, so I forced your hand on child molesting. Shouldn't have been necessary.
You may return to your mindless babble.
You got more than a chuckle out of me on this one. Maybe you can do it again.
But please understand. If your one trick is to question attendance numbers at an event you don't think is particularly significant, we'll continue to jeer, mock, and poke at you.
It's just too much fun.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
007~
September 15, 2009 - 16:49 ET by Georgia GirlPerpatrated? You spelled that wrong. In the context of your sentence, you also misused the word. But more importantly:
Don't worry yourself silly about the number in attendance. You're awfully hung up on that -- and it's not that hard to figure out why. There are many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many (countless more!) concerned, engaged citizens in homes throughout the nation who also want to take back our fine country. The crowds you see on TV only scratch the surface.
Worry about that.
Serious question: What
September 15, 2009 - 23:53 ET by RescuedByRushSerious question: What propaganda is be perpetrated on this blog? Citing posters doesn't count. Not tryin' to be difficult here, just trying to figure out how the enemy thinks...
Attendance numbers aren't fishy, they're lies, cool arrow
September 15, 2009 - 16:06 ET by 007memoAnd those attendance numbers aren't fishy, they're lies, cool arrow.
Don't diminish the significance of the lie.
→ 007 speaks up
September 15, 2009 - 16:08 ET by Cool ArrowHaving been shamed in another thread, 007 finally says something against ACORN.
That would be funny, if it weren't so predictable.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Cool~
September 15, 2009 - 17:02 ET by Georgia GirlBetter yet, don't diminish the significance of 007's obsession with arguing the number. ((^_^))
Shame is only for hypoctites, coolarrow
September 15, 2009 - 19:52 ET by 007memoI'm not ashamed of anything I've said. I pretty much stick to the topic at hand and call you on your hypocrisy.
→ 007
September 15, 2009 - 19:59 ET by Cool ArrowOK, call me on it. I'm ready.
I'll admit I do have a hypocritical streak, but you're going to have to point it out to me in this thread
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
→ 007 Still waiting
September 15, 2009 - 20:04 ET by Cool ArrowI just did a search on my posts in this thread.
What I bound was that my estimation was somewhere between 60k and 2 million.
And that dozens attended the inauguration.
These aren't lies, in case you really want to call me out on them.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
→ 007 hurry up
September 15, 2009 - 20:16 ET by Cool ArrowI'm still waiting, unless, (perish the thought) you were being less than honest.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
everytime you post
September 15, 2009 - 16:09 ET by katainkentthe better I feel about this rally. Please continue.
Feel good about the rally, recoginze the propaganda
September 15, 2009 - 23:35 ET by 007memoFeel good about the rally, recoginze the propaganda and lies. They are two different subjects.
Double Zero
September 15, 2009 - 23:44 ET by Free StinkerSo Double Zero, what purpose does The DailyMail have for inflating (as you claim) the numbers?
Daily Mail is your only source, freestink
September 16, 2009 - 00:06 ET by 007memoThe Daily Mail is your only source, freestink. I don't know why the DM would report such lies. My opinion is that it may have something to do with the fact that they are a right wing rag and are attempting to appeal to their right wing American readers.
As I've asked of many of you already, name one other news source that claims the number is better than 10's of thousands. Go on, I'm waiting. Don't you require at least one more source? I won't hold my breath as the source doesn't exist.
This exercise proves my point; you believe right wing propaganda, no matter how preposterous, because you want to believe it. It makes you feel all gushy inside and that prevents you from discerning fact from fiction.
*grin*
September 16, 2009 - 00:54 ET by katainkentWhy thanks for that. I 'preciate your evening hysterics. Night :)
____________________________________________
The Emperor, he has no clothes
007~Deep Throat?
September 16, 2009 - 08:14 ET by Georgia Girl007: "Feel good about the rally, recognize the propaganda and lies. They are two different subjects."
Okay, seriously...are you trying to sound like Deep Throat in the parking garage? ((^_^))
Yoo hoo, Mr. Memo
September 15, 2009 - 16:10 ET by SickofLibsYou can't definitively disprove any numbers and we can't definitively prove any numbers, so where does the "lie" part come in?
Why not 10 million then, sicko
September 16, 2009 - 00:18 ET by 007memoWhy stop at 2 million, make it 10 million then.
Every news source, except the London Daily Mail, puts the number at 10's of thousands which fits with the Organizer's pre estimates for turnout. As I have commented before, there are radio hosts like Limbaugh, Fox News personalities like Beck and Hannity, right wing bloggers like Malkin and this blogger, Noel Shepard either claiming or purporting the millions as truth. To do so is simply a lie.
I'll go with the Fox News official reporting of 10's of thousands.
→ 007 There you are!
September 16, 2009 - 01:07 ET by Cool ArrowThis stuff still got you buggered?
Somebody got you trapped in this round room and told you to stand in the corner.
You've been stumbling around here for days now.
I've got an excuse for revisiting this thread. You're more fun to watch than a slow-motion trainwreck.
Did you hear? There's a new estimate out there. It's huge!
Carry on.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Problems with numbers
September 16, 2009 - 08:18 ET by FeynmanFanThis commentary about the number of people who attended the rally in Washington DC has gone on far too long.
Listen, folks, there will always be problems with calculating numbers and here's the reason why:
Try to factor that into future discussions, k? ;)
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
→ Wrong Feynman!
September 16, 2009 - 10:34 ET by Cool ArrowThere are 10 kinds of people in this world.
Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Cool
September 16, 2009 - 10:47 ET by FeynmanFanThen my joke should have read there are 11 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary math and those who don't.
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
Newsbusters Hypocrisy
September 16, 2009 - 10:28 ET by 007memoWhat happened to Newsbusters' mission of "constructive criticism and timely corrections to news media reporting"?
It's obviously okay when the right wing lies since the lies reinforce what their readers so desperately need to believe.
I pointed out the two lies Glenn Beck pathetically told to try and corroborate the millions lie:
Lie #1 "They quote a source from the Park Service, the National Park Service, saying that it is the largest march on Washington ever."
Lie #2 "And they also quote somebody in the White House saying that the White House was shocked at the number."
Beck is a supreme liar.
I hadn't mention the preposterous doozy Beck told Doucy that he had someone, and I quote, "from the University of Whatever" corroborate his millions lie. That is hysterical comedy.
Go on Newsbusters fans, show you have some inegrity, fact check Glenn Beck and prove he's not lying.
I bet not one of you will rise to the challenge.
I hear crickets.
Oh Memo -
September 16, 2009 - 10:29 ET by SickofLibsIt's customary to wait more than 60 seconds before playing the <crickets> card.
It's up to you, sicko
September 16, 2009 - 11:50 ET by 007memoIt looks as if it's up to you, Sickoflibs.
coolarrow, jackbauer, fennymanfan, mightymouth have all weighed in, they aren't interested in calling Beck on his lies.
There is safety in numbers. As they huddle like sheep, slap each other on the back for their childish insults, the fact still remains - their hypocrites.
I expect that katainkent, georgiagirl, scubadude, mrshy, the irascible unsane, etc will huddle like sheep among them and will all fail to fact check Beck's lies.
a little help for you, 007
September 16, 2009 - 11:54 ET by FeynmanFanWhen you wrote:
That should have been:
If you're going to insult me, at least get your grammar right.
Have a nice day.
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
Yes double ZERO....you got us!!!
September 16, 2009 - 11:58 ET by BEGRUNTLumped us all together...good job,. you caught us....go pat yourself on your back....sarc/off
You are a pontificating pompous ass.......Keep repeating your self even though several below have dispelled your arguement......so go ahead and include me in your list....I consider it a badge of honor you schmuck troll.
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
007~
September 16, 2009 - 12:14 ET by Georgia GirlWhat the heck are you talking about? This blog has nothing about Beck. Truly, I have no idea where this is coming from...
Uh, are you fact checking Obama? How about every Democrat in Congress? How about all the liberal media talking heads? Are you a hypocrite?
You are not making any sense.
OK, I'll indulge you, Memo
September 16, 2009 - 12:15 ET by SickofLibsAs there is no definitive evidence either way, Beck's number is obviously an estimate based on his review of the research that has been done.
So it is not a "lie" as you state so unequivocally. You have to be able to prove a lie, correct?
Anyone objectively reviewing the evidence would arrive at the fact that the higher end claims are more credible than the low end, so why aren't you simultaneoulsy whining about the "lies" of those who ludicrously claim 50,000 or less?
Why did I just waste my time with that?
September 16, 2009 - 12:19 ET by SickofLibsI pledge to not do it again.
Sickolibs
September 16, 2009 - 12:22 ET by FeynmanFanI think that's a great idea! If we all pledged not to respond to 007, he'll eventually get tired of talking to himself and go somewhere else.
I'll take the pledge. Anyone else?
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
FF:
September 16, 2009 - 12:24 ET by SickofLibsSoon as I locate an argyle sweater vest, I'll get a youtube video up.
Your dreaming
September 16, 2009 - 12:30 ET by general companyhe'll eventually get tired of talking to himself and go somewhere else.
He wont stop, he cant. Right double o?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
→ 00 Sisyphus
September 16, 2009 - 12:36 ET by Cool ArrowEvery morning I wake up to see if 007memo is rolling that big rock up the hill again.
OK, he's more like a tumble-bug. Please don't tell him what that bigball he's rolling is made of. It's everything in the world to him.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
lmao
September 16, 2009 - 13:51 ET by well99I am fried but that is funny.
→ Sorry Feynman
September 16, 2009 - 12:31 ET by Cool ArrowHe's like the comics section of the Sunday paper. (Back when I took the paper)
All of us kids fought over it.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
FF~
September 16, 2009 - 13:01 ET by Georgia GirlSure, but first I will need to go put on my wool sox -- they're in my skii jacket. Baa! Baa! ^_^
Seriously though...being included in 007's listing was a compliment. Leaving myself out of the equation, I looked at the other names and thought: "Now here is a listing of vividly distinct personalities who are practically the definition of 'independent-minded'...Not one of these people is a 'go-along' type who is afraid of speaking up or standing out when it comes to their personal convictions."
Every person he listed has a strong voice that stands alone. And I'm not trying to pick on 007, but his voice sounds like it comes from a training manual. [No offense intended, 007. ^_^]
GG, since you put it that way...
September 16, 2009 - 13:06 ET by FeynmanFanOkay, I'll keep after him.
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
FF~
September 16, 2009 - 13:14 ET by Georgia GirlBut it's so tiring. ^_^ I say it's okay to put our wool sox on for this one thing. LOL.
Our puppy just gave me the perfect visual: he's chasing his tail. Yeah, it's just like that. How long can we all do this, and what possible good comes from it? *_* Cool seems to enjoy it though...
GG - Think about your puppy
September 16, 2009 - 13:27 ET by FeynmanFanThink about your puppy and why he chases his tail. First, it's fun. Second, it's good exercise. Third, sometimes he gets lucky and catchs it.
So, jousting with the trolls is kind of the same thing. It's fun, good mental exercise, and sometimes you get lucky and get them to admit they're wrong.
I don't think any good comes of it, but someone has to keep them occupied or they'll be bothering the cashiers at Wendys.
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
FF~
September 16, 2009 - 13:36 ET by Georgia GirlToo funny -- and not bad points at all.
Oh, and our pup did manage to catch his tail yesterday. Then he bit it and let out a wimper...and he's back at it today. Not sure how that factors into this, but perhaps something for me to ponder...
((^_^))
GG
September 16, 2009 - 13:39 ET by FeynmanFanThe lesson is obvious - don't bite your own tail.
I'm gonna write that down and put it in my wallet for future reference.
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
FF~
September 16, 2009 - 13:57 ET by Georgia GirlGreat idea. I can also see it as a cute puppy-chasing-his-tail poster...perhaps with a bit more colorful language attached to it.^_^
All this free-flowing creativity has helped me come up with a goofy tagline (not related to puppies). How do you put a tagline on your postings? Somebody told me a long time ago, but I forgot.
→ 007memo
September 16, 2009 - 10:42 ET by Cool ArrowStill stuck in the Twilight Zone?
Some of us are starting to feel sorry for you. You've offered no challenge other than beg us to come back into this thread and notice you're still here, drooling, talking to yourself, wondering why everybody doesn't notice the world ended when there wasn't absolute headcount precision.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Still refuses to admit Beck Lies,coolarrow
September 16, 2009 - 11:02 ET by 007memoYou still refuses to admit that Beck lies, coolarrow.
You refuse to admit that Newsbusters won't fact check Beck.
I rest my case, you and Newsbusters and their loyal minions truly are hypocrites.
That's right, 007
September 16, 2009 - 11:10 ET by FeynmanFanThat's right, 007. All us NB folks are hypocrites who willingly accept being lied to in order to prop up our racist beliefs. No lie is too small or too big for us to swallow whole.
You've exposed us. We are now out in the open for all to see, mock and scorn. You can be proud of yourself for striking a blow for progressivism.
(sarc off)
Now please go away.
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
→ Feynman
September 16, 2009 - 11:13 ET by Cool ArrowThis guy's a wierd bird, isn't he?
Wouldn't it be nice if Liberals sought such accuracy when it comes to the phenomenon of having more registered voters in their districts than there are possible voters.
But then again, that would require 007memo to take a stand against racism, something in which he's totally invested.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!