UPDATE at end of post: Was the heckler Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC.)?
There's going to be a lot of discussion about this moment in President Obama's healthcare address to the nation Wednesday when after he claimed the reforms he's proposing would not cover illegal immigrants, someone shouted "Lie" or "Liar" (via Gateway Pundit):
Given the President's claim moments earlier that the accusation this legislation would create death panels "is a lie plain and simple" -- an obvious swipe at former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin -- was it appropriate for someone in the audience to call out when Obama stated what many believe to be an obvious falsehood?
Or, is this not the forum for such outbursts?
*****Update: The Associated Press is reporting who the heckler is (h/t NBer katainkent) --
The nastiness of August reached from the nation's town halls into the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday as President Barack Obama tried to move his health care plan forward.
South Carolina Republican Rep. Joe Wilson shouted "You lie!" after Obama had talked about illegal immigrants.




















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Obama lies to Congress and
September 9, 2009 - 20:54 ET by BKeyserObama lies to Congress and the American people: daily
Somebody calls him out on it from the Congressional Floor: funny
Nancy Pelosi firing off the "stink eye": priceless
Appropriate? Heck
September 9, 2009 - 21:38 ET by seanrobinsAppropriate? Heck yes!
This guy lies with every speech he reads off his teleprompter. He needs to be called out on it: Often.
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Speaking Truth to Power?
September 10, 2009 - 08:43 ET by allanfIsn't this a classic case of what the progressives call "speaking truth to power". Reporters thought it was great fun when Medea Benjamin and Evans interrupted Sarah Palin's speech at the RNC. In fact the Republicans were accused of roughing up the shouters.
So why isn't this "speaking truth to power"?
Maybe the lefties would have a different opinion...
September 10, 2009 - 11:37 ET by TheDeuce...if the rep threw a shoe at the TOTUS. I mean, the Iraqi journalist who did so to President Bush has been a hero to the likes of Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the lefty usual suspects.
Some Congressman actually
September 9, 2009 - 20:57 ET by ConservativeRexSome Congressman actually found his balls! Good for him. This joker needs to be booed and stomped out at every turn. way to go!!
ConservativeRex, I second the motion!
September 9, 2009 - 21:32 ET by goldenthroatThis is exactly what has been lacking in the Republican Party for many years now - it's called guts! God bless Joe Wilson for telling it like it is - and if anyone thinks it was "out of place", too bad!
Should he apologize to the Obamessiah, Queen Nancy, Jackass Joe or Dingy Harry? Hell, no!
Let the TEA Party in D.C. on Saturday speak loud and clear to these left-coast, bleeding-heart, 'do as I say, not as I do' socialist liberals that we're sick and tired of their hypocrisy and that November 2010 is just around the corner.
Gee, maybe they can all get jobs being a community organizer for ACORN.
"Inferior people should not be employed." - Nick Danger, Third Eye
Joe Wilson...
September 10, 2009 - 20:38 ET by Georgia GirlJoe Wilson is on Hannity tonight. He could not be more thoughtful, articulate and decent. He also had ALL the facts to know why Obama was not being truthful -- it was totally understandable why it was he reacted as he did, in case anybody saw this.
The prez also used the word
September 9, 2009 - 20:57 ET by obxrayThe prez also used the word "lie" when talking about death panels.The stinking msm is already crying about it.
A spade is a spade.A lie is a lie.
Re Lies
September 9, 2009 - 20:58 ET by slickwillie2001People get irate when they know they are being lied to day after day by this 'President'. Those in Congress are no different than you or I or the TEA protesters. Expect more of this kind of thing, and laughter as well.
that someone
September 9, 2009 - 20:58 ET by katainkentapparently was Republican Rep Joe Wilson from SC.
I know I said "liar" many times over. How can he repeat things that have been debunked 10x over.
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Same here
September 9, 2009 - 21:40 ET by Jack ColemanI lost count of the number of lies
Probably not the right forum.
September 9, 2009 - 20:59 ET by Old SaltBut Pelosi's jaw dropping reaction and Obama's stony look were priceless!! I gotta believe Wilson's was the gut reaction of a battle weary politician, and he'll probably get more pats on the back than slaps on the hand.
Old Salt,
September 9, 2009 - 21:29 ET by BarkerWilson's bit of truth and the Obama/Pelosi reaction was a beautiful reminder that the truth does indeed hurt.
Priceless is right.;)
I have watched it 7 times,
September 10, 2009 - 10:36 ET by black47211I have watched it 7 times, again and again, since last night. It is easily one of the best TV moments ever! If only I had the ability to put it to music....
www.pelicanmarsh68.blogspot.com
Kinda on the fence on this one
September 9, 2009 - 21:00 ET by RESTLESS 1I love the outburst, and seeing as this was not a State of the Union address, but an address to congress called for by the 0, then I lean towards this being fine.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
→ It was fair
September 9, 2009 - 21:04 ET by Cool ArrowOnly because Obama called a certain Republican a "liar"
Its precedent is the exchange between Richard Nixon and Dan Rather
Van Jones is a Quitter - FS
Oh, if only it were like Parliament
September 9, 2009 - 21:16 ET by UnsaneIn a perfect world, this speech would have had all the civility of a British Parliamentary session. I know His Majesty The Shahinshah could not hack Question Time.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
UNS.....I would...................
September 9, 2009 - 21:20 ET by BEGRUNTpay to see that!!!!! He would wilt like a flower.
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
Pay per view
September 9, 2009 - 21:32 ET by RESTLESS 1Yup, they'd make a mint on that one if it were pay per view. Hell, I'd even buy reruns. :)
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
Shout Out
September 9, 2009 - 21:03 ET by justbob223Whoever had the courage to call Obama a liar in that venue should be given a leadership position in the GOP.
Hear Hear! Give the fellow a Leadership position!
September 9, 2009 - 21:21 ET by PoljunkBO has not compunction calling out anyone who disagrees with him... remember Joe the Plumber, Remember Sarah Palin... I can't wait for the day he will be called out (I mean it literally and figuratively!)
I heard it and posted about
September 9, 2009 - 21:04 ET by bigtimerI heard it and posted about it immediately as well, camera panned to Goehmert (sp) from Texas after a bit, it may have been Wilson also, I love both of them...and quite a few more in the House.
We will know by morning, if not sooner.
Whoever it was, they spoke the TRUTH!
Truth to POWER as the dems love to use...
The astonished faces from Pelosi and O were more than priceless!
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
The President says
September 9, 2009 - 21:06 ET by BarkerThe President says Americans who oppose his "plan" are telling "lies"
A Congressman then retorts "you lie" to the President.
Guess who gets pilloried?
On Larry King Live, John McCain chided the congressman and said he
should apologize "immediately". No admonition by McCain for Obama to
apologize, post-haste.
On ABC, Gibson asked Stephanopoulos if he'd ever heard a congressman
say "lie" during a Joint Session. Stephie schooled Gibson by saying
he's never heard a President use the word "lie" at such an event
either.
McCain is a first class
September 9, 2009 - 21:21 ET by SvenMcCain is a first class creep!
He lives for having the Democrats praise him for his "Bipartisanship!" He's nothing but a RINO and a disgrace to the GOP! Hey John, you've recieved your reward...hope you enjoyed it tonight!
As you mentioned, funny he didn't call out OBummer for calling those on the right liars!
One word I never want to hear again: Bipartisan!
-Sven
Filibuster breaker, is McCain Number 60?
September 10, 2009 - 08:17 ET by allanfSomehow I think the McCain is the "Republican" most likely to be the 60 vote for the Democrats to break any procedural deadlock. That way, he will receive what he values more than anything else, praise from the old media and a New York Times editorial calling him "courageous".
It is time to identify
September 10, 2009 - 08:18 ET by Free StinkerIt is time to identify McCain's strongest likely opponant in the primaries, and start donating to them in a big way !
Ned Lamont
September 10, 2009 - 08:42 ET by allanfRepublicans need to avoid a Ned Lamont situation. McCain would probably run in the general election as an indepedent. If he does that, a Democrat could win the seat.
If McCain bolts the Republicans on healthcare, the best course is to encourage McCain to switch to the Democratic Party early.
Although I totally agreed with the sentiment expressed...
September 9, 2009 - 21:09 ET by PrairieSkyI don't think that a presidential address to Congress is the appropriate place for anyone to yell "liar" at the president, whoever he or she may be...I think it diminishes everyone in the room, and is disrespectful to the importance of the event and the government "body" as a whole.
That said, it was almost worth it to see the black looks on the faces of Plugs and Pelosi when it was said...Priceless...
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
Joe Wilson yelled "Lie"
September 9, 2009 - 21:11 ET by Clear thinkerJoe Wilson yelled "Lie" twice. He never called Obama a liar.
Obama Emperor Of The World
http://iamnotaracist.wordpress.com/
It's been reported as both "liar" and "lie"...
September 9, 2009 - 21:18 ET by PrairieSkyThe meaning is the same, let's face it. Either way, I still don't think that is the appropriate place to yell such things at any president. I totally agree with the sentiment, and I understand that this was likely a frustrated outburst by whoever said it, but was inappropriate for the venue.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
Where would it have been
September 9, 2009 - 21:23 ET by Clear thinkerWhere would it have been appropiate? There would never be a more opportune time to let the prez know how you felt than in a nationally televised speech in front of congress.
Ask your self this question... if this president succeeds in changing this country to a more Marxist friendly way of life, would you still be so forgiving? I find what Obama is doing to this country to be twice as dis-resepectful.
Obamacare A Lie And Hypocritical
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Clear...Personally, I don't think...
September 9, 2009 - 21:38 ET by PrairieSkythat in the name of decorum, if nothing else, no member of our government should be yelling "lie" or "liar" at a president, no matter where they are. There are plenty of other words in our vocabulary to express the same thing.
And please don't mischaracterize me as being "forgiving" of anything Obama has ever said or done, because nothing could be further from the truth. I am NOT defending Obama here. I am just saying that such behavior should be beneath any member of our government.
Period.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
CT
September 9, 2009 - 21:41 ET by SvenExactly!
Tell us Prarie, was it the appropriate time for Obama to call those of us on the right who oppose this plan "liars?"
No, this was the perfect time to call this thug out! We're on the verge of losing this country to this fool! Screw decorum!
One word I never want to hear again: Bipartisan!
-Sven
Sven...Be serious...
September 9, 2009 - 21:53 ET by PrairieSkyThere is no appropriate time for him to do that, obviously. The fact that Obama and Co. engage in such deplorable tactics doesn't mean that conservs/Repubs should do likewise. Two wrongs don't make a right here. There are plenty of ways to call out Obama and the Dems/Left on their distortions and deceptions, without yelling it on the floor of the House. That's my point.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
→ Prairie
September 9, 2009 - 21:57 ET by Cool ArrowThe President drilled down to one specific person, Sarah Palin, and called her a liar.
I'd say he had it coming. It was his personal attack, in front of Congress, that demeaned the office.
But I will concede, a signed declaration by the Republicans declaring President Obama a liar, in the NYT, would be more cordial.
Van Jones is a Quitter - FS
Cool...Yes...
September 9, 2009 - 22:21 ET by PrairieSkyhe did essentially call Sarah a liar, which is despicable. It is also behavior that has become par for the course for Obama and the Dems/Left. I'm just saying that we (conservs/Repubs), even if the sentiment behind it is correct and understandable, shouldn't lower ouselves to that level, especially on the House floor. That's all.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
PraireSky...
September 9, 2009 - 22:31 ET by JerOh, so he essentially called Palin a liar. Did he even mention her name? What was the context?
Jer
Prairie: You know very well this site would undergo a cyber meltdown if a Democrat had yelled "lie" or "liar" to Bush while he was speaking to Congress. I can't believe it's actually being applauded and glorified here. At least you are one of the few here who conditionally disagree with the behavior.
its an easy find
September 9, 2009 - 22:36 ET by katainkentbut I'll indulge. Again, the brits are faster on the draw than our own MSM.
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Jer - another link
September 9, 2009 - 22:50 ET by Free StinkerSome of people's concerns have grown out of bogus claims spread by those whose only agenda is to kill reform at any cost. The best example is the claim, made not just by radio and cable talk show hosts, but prominent politicians, that we plan to set up panels of bureaucrats with the power to kill off senior citizens. Such a charge would be laughable if it weren't so cynical and irresponsible. It is a lie, plain and simple.
Come on Stinker!
September 9, 2009 - 22:54 ET by Sergeant ROCKThat could've been any Alaskan Gov. that recently ran for VP.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
:-)
September 9, 2009 - 22:57 ET by Free Stinker:-)
come on, Jer
September 9, 2009 - 22:47 ET by candanceClaims made by a "prominent politician" that the government would set up "panels" to kill old ladies. Everyone knows that Sarah Palin coined "death panels." And he specifically said the "death panel" rumor was a lie.
come on, candance...
September 9, 2009 - 22:56 ET by JerIn other words, Obama never even mentioned her by name. So, if say, Michele Bachman were speaking before Congress and said, for example, that the death counseling was mandatory--which has been claimed but is untrue--you would be cool with Pelosi yelling "liar" at her on the floor of Congress?
Jer
Jer - this is the kind of
September 9, 2009 - 23:00 ET by Free StinkerJer - this is the kind of thing that gets me off the fence and start thinking you are a TROLL.
You are not stupid, we've seen that you are not.
Who else said "Death Panels" this summer? Just one person I recall hearing about. It was in the news for nearly a week.
I believe Newt Gingrich
September 9, 2009 - 23:22 ET by JerI believe Newt Gingrich agreed with Palin. Bachmann, too.
Jer
Jer
September 9, 2009 - 23:45 ET by MrShyGive me a T !!!!
Give me an R !!!!!
Give me an O !!!! (as in.... no, forget that...)
Give me an L ......
But it was Palin who first
September 9, 2009 - 23:55 ET by Free StinkerBut it was Palin who first made the remark, and took the brunt of flak over it.
You are dismissed.
lookie what I found
September 10, 2009 - 00:01 ET by candanceWhite House statement released earlier today, via Politico:
On Gov. Palin's Attacks
Every non-partisan organization that has looked at her claims say they are false. And the ideas in her op-ed are both scary and risky. Eliminating Medicare and giving our seniors vouchers instead is a bad idea that we shouldn't adopt.
But nah, it doesn't sound at all like Obama had Palin in his sights.
Sarah who ? ;-)
September 10, 2009 - 00:15 ET by Free StinkerSarah who ? ;-)
BEWARE...
September 10, 2009 - 11:56 ET by danybhoyObama should be very carefull in dealing with Palin. She may very well end up as a nail in his political coffin, with any luck, the final nail. She is nobody's fool, she thinks well outside of the box, & connects with lots of people. Maybe many of the same people who may have voted for Obama & who now have buyers remorse.
"...How blind can you be, don't you see...
...that the gambler lost all he does not have..."
Nightwish
Free
September 10, 2009 - 00:03 ET by MrShyFor some reason, I'm the only one who really has little patience for Jer, which surprises me a bit.
That shot over the bow was ABOUT ONE THING and ONE PERSON. Unreal.
Uh, yeah
September 10, 2009 - 00:09 ET by RESTLESS 1Agreed with...PALIN. Ding ding ding. You are getting there. Just a few more steps.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
one excuse after another
September 9, 2009 - 23:00 ET by candanceYou're as predictable as the alarm clock on my dresser. I won't say anything else or you'll have to start calling me Shy.
Predictable, candance...
September 9, 2009 - 23:09 ET by JerYou mean that I can be relied upon to object to bad behavior, from whomever and wherever it originates. If that makes me predictable and dishonest, I'm sorry you feel that way.
Jer
Troll 101 Changing the
September 9, 2009 - 23:14 ET by Free StinkerTroll 101
Changing the subject.
Wrong, Free...
September 9, 2009 - 23:20 ET by JerThe subject is behavior--appropriate and inappropriate. My comments are not "trollish".
Jer
apologies to Jer
September 10, 2009 - 00:24 ET by candanceThis was spoken in anger. Not up to my usual standards.
candance
September 10, 2009 - 00:46 ET by MrShyYou're a better man than me.... er, well, you know what I mean.
Jer is.......
September 9, 2009 - 23:38 ET by MrShy1) dishonest
2) intellectually dishonest
3) dishonest with himself
4) dishonest with others
5) DISHONEST DISHONEST DISHONEST ..... DIS - HON - EST ...... DISHONEST
INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST. NOT HONEST. DISHONEST. DISHONEST.
EDIT: And coy (h/t Sky, from Shy) and ........
DISHONEST..... AND COY ....... AND INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST WITH EVERYONE AT NEWBUSTERS, WHEN HE'S ALREADY BEEN CALLED OUT ON IT SEVERAL TIMES. But this one really seals the deal. Many of us knew it. Now we all know.
Very sad, Shy...
September 9, 2009 - 23:40 ET by JerIt's almost painful to witness your continuing to embarrass yourself.
Jer
Jer
September 9, 2009 - 23:42 ET by MrShyStop being dishonest, and you'll stop projecting like this. And being dishonest. If you stop it.
this is a tad overboard
September 10, 2009 - 00:26 ET by candanceI'm pretty sure Jer got the message early on.
candance
September 10, 2009 - 00:33 ET by MrShyYou can never be too sure with him.
And well, when it comes to Jer and how I react sometimes, MJ pretty much sums it up.
that was funny
September 10, 2009 - 00:45 ET by candanceIf Obama keeps messing with Palin, this is gonna be showing up on his blackberry.
Can & Free
September 10, 2009 - 01:11 ET by MrShyDo we have a candidate for 2012 theme song? Hmmm??
Let's hope LL's a staunch righty. :)
Jer
September 10, 2009 - 00:33 ET by well99As to this "The best example is the claim, made not just by radio and cable talk show hosts, but prominent politicians, that we plan to set up panels of bureaucrats with the power to kill off senior citizens. Such a charge would be laughable if it weren't so cynical and irresponsible."It is a lie, plain and simple."
What is that?Dont tell me you think he isnt refering to Sara.Obama may think he is clever but he aint all that.I guess it is ok for him to do it but no one else.Damn Jer your really reaching.Just a note:Thanks for the link Free.
Well99...I would imagine he
September 10, 2009 - 00:50 ET by JerWell99...I would imagine he is referring to Palin and any and all other prominent politicians, Gringrich for one, as well as radio and cable talk show hosts, who have made or repeated the claim that there is a plan to establish panels with the power to kill off older folks. Obama says that any such charge is laughable, cynical, irresponsible and a plain lie.
He didn't call out any one person for peddling the lie. In any event, no matter to whom he was referring, it didn't justify the congressman's conduct. That's my honest opinion. Obviously, most here disagree with it. That the disagreement is expressed with charges of my being dishonest and a troll is disappointing.
Jer
Jer
September 10, 2009 - 01:50 ET by well99You have the right to your opinion same as everyone else.Doesnt make you a troll.As far as calling anyone by name well Obama is a lawyer so he knows enough not to use a name.He sure isnt afraid of implying it though.
In case I am wrong what kinda troll are you?
http://www.wowwiki.com/File:TrollselectionscreenSmaller.jpg
Or is this one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:John_Bauer_1915.jpg
Uncle Jer, either start paying attention to the news...
September 10, 2009 - 05:40 ET by JWFOr stop interjecting yourself into conversations implying things were not as they actually were.
There is only one person that made the NATIONAL SCENE with a twittery tweety tweet about death panels. There is only one reason that the death panels language was removed from a bill. That would be because of the twittery tweety tweet by Sarah friggin' Palin. No relation to Dick friggin' Cheney.
We knew it. The people in the Congress tonight knew it. People in the MSM knew it. You, bubble boy, in the bubbly bubble bubble you had in retirement, are the only person apparently that did not know it.
Catch up! Then post.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
come on, jer...
September 10, 2009 - 07:33 ET by KarmaDid Mr. Wilson even mention Obama by name? There were multitudes of liars in the room at the time. Maybe he was replying to someone on his cell phone as the president spoke and never even heard the lie from Obama? Or maybe he was man enough to admit it and apologize? Maybe Obama could learn something from this teachable moment.
Healthcare...Food...Education...Housing... - What sprouted as free for some is maturing into a free-for-all.
Karma, it was Obama...
September 10, 2009 - 07:43 ET by MightyMouthHe was lying! They can't even keep Illegals from getting drivers licenses how are they going to keep them from getting free health Insurance?
(btw I know you're being sarc)
"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"
You're right MM.
September 10, 2009 - 08:38 ET by KarmaIt's just that Jer is displaying why lawyers are held in such low esteem by a major portion of our citizens. Common sense tells us that Mr. Wilson was referring to Obama even if he didn't say,"That is a LIE, Mr. President Barak Obama!" Common sense also tells us that Obama WAS referring to Sarah Palin even though he didn't mention her by name. This is why busses, cliffs and lawyers meet in the same jokes.
Healthcare...Food...Education...Housing... - What sprouted as free for some is maturing into a free-for-all.
Karma... You know better
September 10, 2009 - 08:42 ET by JerKarma...
You know better than that. Wilson said "you lie" and has admitted his conduct was out of bounds and apologized for it. I have listened to a variety of politicians, capitol hill watchers ex cetera say they have never heard anything like it in memory. Why keep defending indefensible behavior?
There are congressional rules governing this type of conduct--Wilson is subject to censure, although since he has apologized I hope it will not be imposed.
Jer
Jer, What kind of lawyer
September 10, 2009 - 10:02 ET by KarmaJer,
What kind of lawyer are you?
His behavior is indefensible? Would I have acted in such a manner? Probably not, but that doesn't make it indefensible. Obama calling honest people "liars", is a mitigating factor.
What is indefensible is how lawyers have screwed up our system of government. At the very least, they need to be censured.
Healthcare...Food...Education...Housing... - What sprouted as free for some is maturing into a free-for-all.
Obama called the charge
September 10, 2009 - 11:08 ET by JerObama called the charge being peddled that panels of bureaucrats will be formed with the power to kill off senior citizens a "lie". You need to get your facts straight, stop parsing words, and employ some common-sense analysis.
On the other hand, Wilson shouted directly to Obama "you lie". If that doesn't bother you; if you think it appropriate; if you think this place wouldn't be apoplectic with indignation if a congressional Democrat yelled the same words at Bush during a speech before Congress, then we simply view things differently. But I suppose I'm just restating the obvious.
It will be interesting to see if a single Congressional Republican defends Wilson's behavior--Wilson doesn't even defend it himself. He knows he was wrong. But I'm sure he will be championed by Limbaugh nation.
Jer
“If you misrepresent what’s in the plan, we will call you out.”
September 10, 2009 - 11:12 ET by candanceIt's always okay for Obama to play tough with us, but then he acts coy when given a taste of his own medicine.
In the kingdom of parsing words, Jer,
September 10, 2009 - 12:01 ET by KarmaYou'd be king. Typical lawyer.
Unlike the prince of the palace, Wilson had the guts to call a liar out to his face. I suppose he should have said, "The claim you just made is a LIE!" Would that make you feel better, Jer?
He wasn't wrong and he knows he wasn't wrong. He's a politician. He's going to say what it takes to survive. He's making a strategic retreat on the battlefield which is currently behind enemy lines.
And yes, you are restating the obvious when it comes to our differing views.
Healthcare...Food...Education...Housing... - What sprouted as free for some is maturing into a free-for-all.
I think the right word is 'disingenuous'.
September 10, 2009 - 18:56 ET by TailgunnerWhen Obama makes a statement, and 47 million people think 'Sarah Palin', and people defend Obama by claiming he never mentioned her name...well, that's the word that comes to my mind.
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And socialized medicine by nature is 'death panels'.
Democrats promise no rationing. I've read that in writing in the talking points the DCCC emails to their list.
That is an outright lie. There will never-repeat-NEVER be enough money to provide quality care to everyone.
After Obamacare runs private insurance out of business, and they're the only game in town, they won't have to pretend anymore.
They will ration, delay, restrict and deny treatment without fear of consequences. That means some patients will be denied lifesaving care by government and will die as a result.
Ergo, 'death panels'.
And whatever formula they use, the elderly will especially suffer and die because of these 'death panels'.
Britain's NHS is Obama's model for government health care.
The NHS routinely denies essential and even lifesaving care for reasons having nothing to do with medicine.
Sometimes it's punitive, like the NHS employee whose 'chemo' was discontinued when the NHS caught her paying her own money for a drug they originally refused to cover. (She died of colon cancer.)
Sometimes it's judgmental, like the 22-year-old man denied a liver transplant (and a second chance) merely because he had been a childhood alcoholic. (He died in the hospital.)
Or the fact that many NHS hospitals, with the full backing of the home NHS, flatly refuse to treat the obese.
Or it's just (usually) plain financial, like the rule against giving treatment for macular degeneration until a patient had gone blind in one eye.
(It took 25,000 cases of total blindness before the NHS reversed that rule. How can these people sleep at night?)
Government does these things because they can.
Just look at how Obama and Democrats treat conservatives, and many of their own Democratic constituents who oppose this thousand page con job.
What makes anyone think Obamacare will be administered efficiently and fairly based on the last few months?
Once every American realizes they will have to come to their own government, on their knees,, for the simplest drug or procedure, it'll be far too late.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democrats are the party of killers, racists, pedophiles, bribe takers, serial sexual harassers, liars, perjurers, obstructors of justice and treasonous frauds.
Jer...Yes, he essentially...
September 9, 2009 - 22:49 ET by PrairieSkycalled Sarah a liar...Let's not be coy, here. It was obvious who Obama was talking about and what he was calling her (I don't have the exact wording of what he said, but go back and read it or watch it and you'll see what I'm talking about). I don't approve of him misusing that moment to do that anymore than I approve of Wilson yelling "lie" at Obama. Both are wrong.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
PraireSky...
September 9, 2009 - 23:05 ET by JerWho is being coy? I had not heard the quote. Cool stated Obama called Palin a "liar". As it turns out, it required a couple of leaps to reach that conclusion.
Look, Clinton was often referred to as a liar--well before the Lewinsky affair. But never was it shouted out by a congressman during a speech by President Clinton before Congress. Nor, to my knowledge, did it happen to Bush. In fact, I can't recall a similar incident [although there may very well be precedents]. But I don't care which side may have done it, or to whom it was done. It was wrong. It is wrong.
Jer
Question Time is sorely needed
September 9, 2009 - 23:07 ET by UnsaneMy one regret about it: that it didn't immediately become Question Time.
Your God, The Second Coming Of Both Christ and Churchill, His Majesty The Shahinshah, would have been running screaming like a two year old out of that chamber.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Jer...I had...
September 9, 2009 - 23:22 ET by PrairieSkythought that you had heard the quote...Either way, I don't think it takes any "leaps" to glean the gist of what O was intimating here. To me and many others, his meaning was clear. If you don't see it that way, then we are in disagreement.
We do agree on this...It was wrong, and hopefully this type of inappropriate response, in this venue, won't happen again.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
PraireSky...
September 9, 2009 - 23:31 ET by JerI certainly appreciate the thoughtful answer.
Jer
Jer...
September 10, 2009 - 13:57 ET by PrairieSkyYou bet...There is a lot of passion surrounding this, and having a forum such as NB to discuss and debate is great to have.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
You are insulting me Uncle Jer.
September 10, 2009 - 05:51 ET by JWFI take great pains to keep myself up to date. 5.35 hours of recorded news/opinion every day. Opinion websites vistited daily. News websites visited daily. Wall Street Journal that must be read on the poopers as I have no more time. I keep up, so I can post informed opinons here. Not just - I have not heard that, tell me more - posts.
I had not heard the quote. Cool stated Obama called Palin a "liar". As it turns out, it required a couple of leaps to reach that conclusion.
The Presidential team took great pains writing out a speech and putting it juuuuuuuuuust so we would know who it was without him stating it directly. We knew exactly who he was talking about. It was stated so as we would know!
Furthermore, Sarah Frickin' Frackin' Frigfraggin' Palin knew it!
So what is it, Uncle Jer? Are you being coy or are you dense?
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
I'm being neither. You,
September 10, 2009 - 08:47 ET by JerI'm being neither. You, on the other hand are attempting to excuse inexcusable behavior byWilson. He knows he was wrong. He is subject to censure, but at least he has apologized.
You're only insulting yourself, JWF.
Jer
I think you are missing the point Uncle Jer.
September 10, 2009 - 10:36 ET by JWFI said nothing about excusing. I was speaking about you not hearing from Palin and the death camps (or something) facebook entry that was in all the news a few weeks back. They took the offending section out of the bill because of her.
Then PBO has the section of the speech that calls her a liar.
I had not heard the quote. Cool stated Obama called Palin a "liar". As it turns out, it required a couple of leaps to reach that conclusion.
The point is - I pay attention to the national news. Please pay attention like you used to before you retired.
I would have figured you got the point between my previous post and this one you ignored.
Are you taking some kind of heart medicine that has lowered your blood pressure so that you are not getting enough oxygen to the brain. I am not sure I am so happy with retired Jer.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Cool...Obama: Sarah Palin is a "liar". Really? Quote please.
September 9, 2009 - 22:23 ET by JerSo Obama explicitly referred to Sarah Palin as a "liar". When? Where? Quote please.
Jer
Jer
September 9, 2009 - 23:30 ET by MrShyWe got'cher quote "riiight heeeeeere"..... :p
All you liberals have to have exact quotes, to the word and letter, or otherwise sky's the limit as to what something can mean/infer.
MrShy...
September 9, 2009 - 23:37 ET by JerCool claimed Obama called Sarah Palin a "liar". That was news to me, so I asked for the quote. Sorry--but hardly surprised--you find that impertinent.
Jer
She who must not be named
September 9, 2009 - 23:41 ET by Free StinkerBut when provided with the quote, you blow it off as if Obama cold have been talking about anyone when it is obvious who he meant.
Very obvious, because to a Democrat, Sarah Palin is becoming like Voldomort: "She who must not be named."
Free Stinker
September 10, 2009 - 00:56 ET by JerWell, I'm a Democrat and I've never posted one negative word about Palin. On the contrary, I've been complimentary. Hope you didn't consider those compliments trollish also.
Jer
Praire
September 9, 2009 - 22:12 ET by SvenSorry, we'll have to disagree here.
This was indeed the appropriate time to call this LIAR out! Sorry, but waiting until the next day...or next week wouldn't have the same effect. Good grief, the President just got done insulting his fellow citizens, and you think that it was inappropriate for this Representative to not respond?
If this President is going to use this type of forum to criticize his fellow citizens, then he's fair game! The president lied, and Rep. Wilson immediately called him out on it! It's the same concept when you punish a child; you do it immdeiately!
Nice Job Representative Wilson!
One word I never want to hear again: Bipartisan!
-Sven
Sven...Actually, we...
September 9, 2009 - 22:20 ET by PrairieSkyagree on most of this issue. I'm not saying that he shouldn't have responded...Far from it...Every member in that chamber tonight, Repub, Dem or Indep., should immediately send a letter, message, email, whatever, to Obama calling him on each and every lie, mistruth, distortion and omission that he threw out there tonight. That's their job and their duty, and they should do nothing less. But yelling it on the House floor just wasn't the time or place. That's where we part company.
Either way, I don't think many minds were changed tonight. I think Obama failed to say anything of any real substance at all that differs from the same deceptive nonsense we've been hearing for months. We'll see.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
Prarie
September 9, 2009 - 22:29 ET by SvenI do understand your point of view on this. And I do agree with you about enumerating the lies in his speech and putting these in a letter or other memorandum.
I guess we just disagree about the appropriate venue to make certain comments.
No hard feelings ;-)
One word I never want to hear again: Bipartisan!
-Sven
Sven...Yep...
September 9, 2009 - 22:55 ET by PrairieSkyAnd I understand yours...The venue is the sticking point here...But, no problem...No hard feelings here! Enjoyed the discourse! :)
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
Oh for God's sake, if the
September 10, 2009 - 00:52 ET by RowaneOh for God's sake, if the right is too timid to use the left's tactics against them then the right will always lose.
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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
Someone said he'll probably
September 9, 2009 - 22:13 ET by alwaysconSomeone said he'll probably go to the floor tomorrow and appologize for it. It doesn't take balls to shout out a single word in a crowded room. If he has any balls, he won't appologize before the house tomorrow. His press release leads me to think otherwise:
What's the sense in us lionizing a classroom heckler? Now if he had stood up and shouted something he had prepared, THAT would've taken balls and been admirable.
And that's what frustrates me. This administration is ruining the country and what do we have? We shout, we threaten revolution, succession, show up carrying guns. But in the end, no one pulls the trigger.
Down south
September 10, 2009 - 08:29 ET by nwahsWe call that craw fishing. Thats walking backwards when you find your mouth has written a check your ass can't cash.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
I don't think it's
September 10, 2009 - 09:14 ET by redmikeI don't think it's appropriate for the president to lie to me several times a day. I would not be suprised if he hasn't even read the bill(s), and he certainly has no plan.
OUT...
September 9, 2009 - 21:34 ET by danybhoyFirst Valerie Plame was outed, now Joe Wilson is outed. Will someone stop with outing the Wilsons? Stop the madness.
"...How blind can you be, don't you see...
...that the gambler lost all he does not have..."
Nightwish
Clear~
September 10, 2009 - 08:40 ET by Georgia GirlRight you are. He clearly said "lie." For those who think there is no difference between "lie" and "liar," I beg to differ. I think it shows he was not attacking Obama personally but was dealing specifically with the error in fact of two items. I think there is a big difference in intent. This was not a malicious act -- it was outrage/an "excited utterance" of wanting to set the record straight because of a fear of continuing to mislead the public. I doubt it was planned~and he's feeling what most of us are. It's hard to stand silent.
PS, if this were a "sane" time, I would agree
September 9, 2009 - 21:14 ET by R D HelmHowever, we are not living in a sane time, and we are awfully close to losing this thing we call America, and Obama is the one at the helm.
-Dave
Even when the government tries to kiss you, it is just a prelude to a good screwing. -Neal Boortz
RD...Right you are, but...
September 9, 2009 - 21:23 ET by PrairieSkywhat did yelling that, change? I don' think anyone watching was influenced against the public option (or Obama) because of what was yelled, although I agree with the sentiment behind it. I think it was likely a frustrated outburst, but this was not the appropriate locale.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
obama has used the Bully Pulpit...
September 9, 2009 - 21:38 ET by bkt....to attack his opposition, God bless any members of congress with the b@lls to use their (bully pulpit)!
Right, and we don't like or approve of that...
September 9, 2009 - 21:41 ET by PrairieSkydo we? So, why should we (conservatives/Repubs) lower ourselves to that level? That's all I'm saying.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
PS, we can no-longer afford politeness, or even civility...
September 9, 2009 - 21:47 ET by R D Helm...when dealing with those who are trying (and getting damn close to succeeding) in destroying the America we all know and love.
We have been being polite and civil for over seven decades, and look where it has gotten us-right to the edge of our Rubicon.
No, it's time to take the gloves off and get squarely in their faces. Long past time, if you ask me.
We owe at least that to the next generation.
-Dave
Even when the government tries to kiss you, it is just a prelude to a good screwing. -Neal Boortz
~
September 9, 2009 - 21:50 ET by choselife3x"Keeping the moral high ground is cold comfort when your country lies buried there"
Dave... I'm with you,
September 9, 2009 - 21:55 ET by Clear thinkerDave...
I'm with you, it's time to get serious about saving this country. This is no longer a polite battle of simple politics, this is for the life of our Nation.
Obamacare A Lie And Hypocritical
http://iamnotaracist.wordpress.com/
Ct,
September 9, 2009 - 23:41 ET by R D Helm"...this is for the life of our Nation."
Indeed it is.
I do not much care what happens to me so much as I do not want my three nieces and my nephew to grow up in what will essentially be a communist hell-hole.
After all, the Canadian or French models are not what these people are aiming for.
It is Cuba they are aiming for, and once we get there, there will be no coming back anytime soon, if ever.
-Dave
Even when the government tries to kiss you, it is just a prelude to a good screwing. -Neal Boortz
It's (been) time...to
September 9, 2009 - 21:56 ET by dvdaughtryIt's (been) time...to take off the gloves.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
dvd
September 9, 2009 - 22:35 ET by JerThat's what I heard constantly from my lib friends during the 90's who felt they had been turning the other cheek for way too long. "Time we fought back"..."time to take off the gloves".
In the end, there are no winners. Just a lot of black eyes.
Jer
Truth Wins
September 10, 2009 - 08:58 ET by dvdaughtryAt least for me, politics is not as much Conservative vs. Liberal as in Right vs. Wrong.
To me it is plain to see which side is right (as in correct).
I believe I will have to answer to a Higher Power one day. Until then, I will fight with conviction and passion.
Compromise for the sake of compromise is stupid. To compromise is to settle for the lesser of ideals.
I'll be in DC on the 12th, and from now on will take an active role in the politics on the local level.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
jer,
September 10, 2009 - 09:08 ET by Agnostic40+ years of controlling purse strings of the nation and they were complaining about having turned the other cheek for too long. I suggest your friends crack a history book - preferrably American History.
A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections
RD and chose...While I essentially agree...
September 9, 2009 - 21:59 ET by PrairieSkywith your sentiments, I just don't think that completely emulating our opponents is the way to fight back and win. I think we diminish ourselves when we do that. There has to be another way.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
We could play the race card?
September 9, 2009 - 22:01 ET by BKeyserWe could play the race card? Nah, that goes back to your point of emulating our opponents...
~Oh, I most certainly
September 9, 2009 - 22:14 ET by choselife3xDon't think we should emulate them, I just think we should fight for what's right with passion. I'm tired of seeing Republicans waste time making nice so they won't be called racists.
My dad always told me "play
September 9, 2009 - 22:19 ET by dvdaughtryMy dad always told me "play be the rules."
Let the other guy write them, but be sure to play by them.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
chose...I think we...
September 9, 2009 - 22:30 ET by PrairieSkyare fighting for what's right, and with a whole truckload of passion...Look at what's been happening around the country the last few months. The only reason that this miserable policy idea isn't already signed into law is because of the passion of the people. You're right about many in the House and the Senate being afraid to fight back sometimes for fear of being called racist, but I think that is wearing very thin, because the American people have endured being called racist for the same things, too, and we've had enough...That just doesn't wash anymore, and it isn't silencing people anymore.
It will be interesting to see what the fallout is from tonight as far as what the rest of Americans think about Obama's speech and about what happened during the speech. We'll see.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
~Yes
September 9, 2009 - 22:33 ET by choselife3xBut it's the passion of ordinary citizens, not our elected Republicans that's slowing the freight train down. Hopefully, they'll see what's going on and jump aboard. I'm just glad that people seem to be waking up!
chose...Waking up...
September 9, 2009 - 22:59 ET by PrairieSkyI'm thrilled folks are finally waking up...Too bad they didn't wake up a little earlier, like last fall. Well, at least it's happening now.
I think that some of our congressmen and senators are beginning to wake up also, but time will tell how long this lasts.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
Prarie did not God get angry
September 9, 2009 - 23:31 ET by Dan The Man 2Prarie did not God get angry in the Temple and resort to violence? Did he not tell the Pharacees in the Temple they were vipers? There is a time for righteous outburst of anger and this was one of them.
hey dave
September 9, 2009 - 22:01 ET by katainkenteven in my own house there is disagreement about this. I personally think it would have been ok to walk out. Whereas my husband, retired military, thinks that it would have only been ok to simply refrain from applauding. He hates Obama with a passion but he's a stickler for decorum and respect for the office and the forum this was done in.
Honestly though I didn't think it could be too long before congress was taken to the woodshed one too many times before someone had had it.
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We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. ~Thomas Jefferson
kk, I was raised by a Marine who fought in Korea...
September 9, 2009 - 22:45 ET by R D Helm...and who made Barry Goldwater look like a flaming New Dealer.
No joke.
Decorum is all well and good when everything is ship-shape, but at this point, we Americans are, in essence, riding on the deck chairs of the Titanic just before it hits the ice.
It's time to throw decorum overboard, or else prepare to go down with the ship. Our "second chances" have all been used up.
This is it.
-Dave
Even when the government tries to kiss you, it is just a prelude to a good screwing. -Neal Boortz
Decorum is Great... But BO has made a mockery of the office and
September 9, 2009 - 23:30 ET by Poljunkalthough in normal times I would agree to show respect for the office, can't say that 32 Czars are "decorum"! I would have more respect for the all bunch of 'em if they came out right and declared a totalitarian state, make your case and moved on! If the folks don't want it in the end I predict BO will destroy the Democratic Party single handedly! That will be poetic justice!
I am a Reformed Democrat!
OK Praire, point taken
September 9, 2009 - 22:06 ET by gailannrEnough already!
gailannr...Who rattled your cage?
September 9, 2009 - 22:32 ET by PrairieSkyI'm just responding to what people have said in response to me...
Lighten up.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
When you wrestle with pigs,
September 10, 2009 - 09:16 ET by redmikeWhen you wrestle with pigs, you have to get dirty.
Prairie...
September 9, 2009 - 22:44 ET by Georgia GirlI do understand where you are coming from...but I think Dave has a very valid point. This is an extraordinary time in history. Our very freedoms are at stake. When I heard the rep call out "Lie!", it startled me because it is very unexpected in the forum. You are right about all your points: it is not appropriate. It is not civil. It is just "not done."
With all that said, for me, it was a clarifying moment for all to absorb. It was Truth. There is power in that type of truth -- in the sanity of it. It was -- finally -- a label on what exactly is happening to our country (an insidious attempt at redefining America by pulling a lot of fast ones)...and I do think in that, there was value. It will stick in the minds of Americans, and it will be remembered. For me, I can forgive the lack of decorum for the passion of the rep who is probably as scared out of his mind as many of us are about what is happening to our country.
Should it be done? No. But I forgive it in the same way I would understand an excited utterance of "FIRE!"...from an American who feels the flames are about to engulf us all.
Georgia...RD does have a valid point...I...
September 9, 2009 - 23:12 ET by PrairieSkycompletely understand that. There is no doubt that we are on a precipice right now in our country's future. The outburst startled me, too, especially once I realized what had been said.
I think it will be remembered, and if there is a real lasting effect to come from it, it will hopefully be that a member of our government was so passionately frustrated at what he had been hearing from the president, that he just forgot himself. I think many Americans are feeling the same thing. I understand and forgive the outburst, too, and I hope that all of that pent-up frustration and passion felt by that congressman will be channeled into doing everything he can to convince his colleagues to oppose what Obama and the Dems want to do to this country.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
Prairie...
September 9, 2009 - 23:19 ET by Georgia GirlI agree, Prairie. Oh my gosh...they are now replaying the speech on FOXNEWS. That is my cue to sign off and go to bed! I cannot fathom watching that whole thing again.
<<frantically reaching for the remote>>
((^_^)))
Georgia...Yep...
September 9, 2009 - 23:25 ET by PrairieSkyIt's gettin' late...I can't sit through that again, either.
Till next time! :)
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
Sky... To me it was the
September 9, 2009 - 21:16 ET by bigtimerSky...
To me it was the best thing I have seen happen in my entire life when it comes to these phony shows....and it couldn't have happen to a better Pretender!
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
I agree bt
September 9, 2009 - 21:20 ET by BKeyserGWB was booed on multiple occasions, and the dems were free to do it then. Besides, he gets disengenuous applause, why can't he get descenting catcalls? And it could be worse- ever seen how the Brits get from time to time? Or the Japanese? At least it remained non-violent!
BKeyser...President Bush...
September 9, 2009 - 21:33 ET by PrairieSkywas booed, and that was reprehensible...And as awful as that was, having "lie" or "liar" being yelled at any president during an address just shouldn't happen, and particularly not on the floor of the House of Representatives.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
Then the President should
September 9, 2009 - 21:35 ET by Conservative VoiceThen the President should tell bold face lies
I understand your sentiment, Prairie...
September 9, 2009 - 21:40 ET by BKeyserand I'm not for a total lack of decorum in these settings, but it's also unfair for the President to blatantly lie to the American people and continue to go unchecked. So many times I've heard the rebuke to anti-Obamacare points as, 'well, the President says we're not going to insure illegal aliens.' Yeah, so, he's lying. And with a culpable media, I think this was a knee-jerk, but appropriate reaction by the Congressman, taken in context of this "debate."
But, as I said, I can't argue with your point. It's hard to argue with the high road.
He's not going completely unchecked...That's what we're doing...
September 9, 2009 - 21:46 ET by PrairieSkyright now, here at NB. Granted, the MSM is checked out and corrupt, but the right does have a voice, and we're making that heard right now. This congressman could, and I'm sure will, let his opinion of the speech, Obama and this subject be known without yelling such things on the floor of the House. And like you, I do think it was probably an outburst born of total frustration.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
~~Prairie
September 9, 2009 - 21:50 ET by BKeyserI had a thought that I just posted below but may bear repeating in this convo-
Maybe, just maybe, Mr. Wilson broke protocol in this case- especially as far as the left is concerned. What he should have done was thrown his shoe...
BKeyser...LOL! Yep...
September 9, 2009 - 22:01 ET by PrairieSkyAs far as the Left is concerned, maybe that would have been more appropriate... :)
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
bt...Sorry...
September 9, 2009 - 21:29 ET by PrairieSkymy friend, but I don't agree. As I have said, I totally agreed with the sentiment...We should start calling Obama Pinocchio, he tells so many lies and omits so many facts, but this just continues to lower the bar and coarsen the debate, as if it could get much lower.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
Sky... You are my friend,
September 9, 2009 - 22:02 ET by bigtimerSky...
You are my friend, but we will have to just agree to disagree here...we have once before, long ago about McC.
We wouldn't be in the mess we are now, if repubs ever grew a spine and started speaking out...politeness and decorum has destroyed this country...I've watched it before my eyes ...gutless wonders get you know where....ask our forefathers.
That so-called Prez called the us all everything but sideways tonight in the long run...I've had it...this country is on the edge now of being saved.
Just my two cents.
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
bt...We can't...
September 9, 2009 - 22:40 ET by PrairieSkyagree on everything...No one does.
As for the Repubs growing a spine, I'm with 'ya 100%...You know that. I just don't think that we should toss out decorum and respect for the occasion, not to mention the locale, in order to express a thought or opinion, no matter how passionate we may feel about something. There are other ways to do that, and the American people have fortunately been doing that for the last several months, thank heavens, and that is why this pathetic bill isn't already law.
Just my two cents, too. :)
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
Nah
September 9, 2009 - 21:19 ET by UnsaneI think it diminishes everyone in the room, and is disrespectful to the importance of the event and the government "body" as a whole. Maybe, but I am getting a little sick of this fake civility in Congress. Personally, I wish it would have just turned into a British Parliamentary session, complete with relentless booing and smart-ass comments directed precisely at Him.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
british parliament
September 9, 2009 - 21:23 ET by katainkenteven when Brits get pi***d they still sound civil.
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We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. ~Thomas Jefferson
kata...Yes, they do...
September 9, 2009 - 21:25 ET by PrairieSkyAnd in can get pretty rowdy during those sessions! lol!
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
"I don't think that a
September 9, 2009 - 21:26 ET by ckc1227"I don't think that a presidential address to Congress is the
appropriate place for anyone to yell "liar" at the president, whoever
he or she may be...I think it diminishes everyone in the room, and is
disrespectful to the importance of the event and the government "body"
as a whole."
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Respect went out the window when he showed up 15 minutes late, and spent the next 50 minutes lying to the American people. Frankly, his entire presidency is disrespectful to the position and the entire government body as a whole. Communist Americans are due no respect as far as I'm concerned.
Amen Ckc1227
September 9, 2009 - 22:04 ET by DelsaThis SOBama has NO respect for anyone.
I misssed the begining but was surprised to know after reading your words that I had not missed anything at all.
YOU expressed exactly what I think!
Thank you
It is exactly the place to
September 9, 2009 - 22:19 ET by ConservativeRexIt is exactly the place to yell it Prairie...fact is they ought to hoot and holler and stomp their feet on the floor every single time this poser brings up one lie after another. Our Founding Fathers did it, so should these rascals today.
If this poser can't take it, he ought not dish it out. Don't start no crap there won't be no crap, I say.
Okay, read all the coments.
September 10, 2009 - 00:46 ET by Indiana JoeDidn't hear the speech, but here's what I think. "Decorum" be damned! If anyone doesn't want to be called a liar on the House floor, they shouldn't tell lies there. Letters and notes after the fact are going to get zero attention. C'mon, people, this is the MSM we're talking about. You really think they'd report that Obama lied about aspects of the health-care bill? Dream on.
The floor of Congress should be a place of debate and discussion, and yes, even the occasional shout-out from the members. There's a Sgt At Arms to quell any real "disturbances." It couldn't be worse than the "back-room-deals" that accompany virtually every piece of legislation these "representatives of the people" force upon us. Most of the workings of our own Congress are hidden from us, and that's supposed to be all right? In the name of "decorum?"
Also, I'm with Unsane on the idea of a Q&A session following this kind of Presidential lime-lighting. Forget the structured "opposition response," and the talking heads explaining to us peons what our Great Leader said. Make the speakers defend their speech, right there, right then. If they can't think on their feet well enough for that, well, maybe they don't belong there.
"Four legs good... two legs better!" - George Orwell
Rep. Joe Wilson of South Carolina
September 9, 2009 - 21:08 ET by TexndocHe will apologize. Sadly. And guess which party will make him do so. KUDOS to Joe Wilson for ENSURING that this Socialist Boob-in-Chief WILL now have to ensure that there is NO coverage for illegal aliens in any bill introduced. Which you know damn well he had no intention of including.
He should apologize
September 9, 2009 - 21:14 ET by katainkentBut will Obama apologize for all the lies he told? I think not.
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We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. ~Thomas Jefferson
I disagree. He did not call
September 9, 2009 - 21:19 ET by Clear thinkerI disagree. He did not call Obama a liar, he yelled "lie" twice after each lie that Obama made. Did anyone happen to notice how relieved Obama looked when there was no "LIE" yelled at him when he mentioned abortion?
Obamacare A Lie And Hypocritical
http://iamnotaracist.wordpress.com/
well
September 9, 2009 - 21:22 ET by katainkentit did break decorum and although there is likely no respect there should probably be at least a pretense.
If someone shouted lie after every lie he told we'd have not heard the speech at all.
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We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. ~Thomas Jefferson
Kat
September 9, 2009 - 21:28 ET by RESTLESS 1If someone shouted lie after every lie he told we'd have not heard the speech at all.
And that would have been a bad thing? ;)
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
you have a fair point
September 9, 2009 - 21:37 ET by katainkentafterall we've heard it all, already.
Obama himself said that if anyone said if anyone was misrepresenting the plan they should be called out. Obama should be included. He is the biggest 'misrepresenter' of them all. But I think there was more dignified ways to do so. Getting up and leaving would have been great.
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We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. ~Thomas Jefferson
I think that is the
September 9, 2009 - 21:41 ET by dvdaughtryI think that is the point.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
There is a saying down where
September 9, 2009 - 22:09 ET by Casey97There is a saying down where I live. "The stuck pig, squells the loudest." If he proves it is not a lie, then apoligize. If not the label is accurate.
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With Democrat revisionist history and liberals guaranteeing the future (global warming, nuclear destruction, etc.) only the future is certain; the past is always changing.
Posting problem~
September 10, 2009 - 09:05 ET by Georgia Girldeleted because of posting problem....
No Beer Here....
September 9, 2009 - 21:17 ET by BarkerShouldn't the President apologize first for accusing the Representative as well as millions and millions of Americans of telling lies?
Then, maybe, the Rep would/could/should apologize.I don't think he should.
Barker... Exactly...those
September 9, 2009 - 21:23 ET by bigtimerBarker...
Exactly...those of us posting here in on the live thread said so many times...he was the most filthy liar I have ever heard...ever!
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
and tht is saying something
September 9, 2009 - 21:24 ET by Conservative Voiceand tht is saying something considering we endured Clinton for 8 years
This is the problem, the
September 9, 2009 - 21:21 ET by bigtimerThis is the problem, the GOP and the force/control they have over members $$$ wise, support etc etc.
I have had it with them...they were a lot of the reason we lost...anyone remember how may times certain state GOPers had to say sorry at McC's request?
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
Hope he doesn't apologize
September 9, 2009 - 21:26 ET by Conservative VoiceAnd if he does, I hope its one of those fake apologies...I'm sorry you were offended...
Fact is, he [Obama] should of been shouted out of the House...LIAR LIAR LIAR! should of been the chant.
Apologize?
September 9, 2009 - 21:28 ET by justbob223If I were Joe Wilson, hell would freeze over before I would apologize.
Or just tell 'em "kiss my
September 9, 2009 - 21:49 ET by BeukeboomOr just tell 'em "kiss my ass."
Joe Wilson did Apologize
September 9, 2009 - 22:00 ET by JAJTJoe Wilson did Apologize and gyuess who was on CNN scolding him and saying he must aplogize- McCain!
Joe Wilson's Apology to CNN“This evening I let my emotions get the best of me when listening to
the President’s remarks regarding the coverage of illegal immigrants in
the health care bill. While I disagree with the President’s statement,
my comments were inappropriate and regrettable. I extend sincere
apologies to the President for this lack of civility.”
JAJT
WHAT? WILSON APOLOGIZED? AND ALL BECAUSE OF McCRINO?
September 9, 2009 - 23:04 ET by R D HelmSORRY TO YELL (not really) BUT NOW YOU ALL KNOW WHY I SHUNNED THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN THE LATE 1990'S AND WENT WITH THE LIBERTARIANS.
-And I have yet to regret the decision I made over ten years ago.
Please God, just retire, John McCain, while there is still something left of our republic to save.
-Dave
Even when the government tries to kiss you, it is just a prelude to a good screwing. -Neal Boortz
Maybe, some time in the
September 9, 2009 - 23:05 ET by Free StinkerMaybe, some time in the near future, we'll hear news that Sarah Palin is leaving the GOP and taking the 40% of the country that is Conservative with her. (If only !)
Then the RINOs and Blue Dogs can have their own party like Kadima in Israel, and the Liberal Party (Democrats) will be an"also ran"
even when the GOP does something right
September 9, 2009 - 23:12 ET by candancethey immediately follow it up with something stupid. and this is our great hope for opposition?
Tom Adkins speaking at the
September 9, 2009 - 23:19 ET by Free StinkerTom Adkins speaking at the Morristown Tea party was right. We have to re-capture the GOP from the fatcats who have hijacked it.
New American hero, Joe
September 9, 2009 - 21:10 ET by JAJTNew American hero, Joe Wilson,R-SC. i wonder if Pelosi made a mad dash to him after wards, would love to have witness her screaming at him "how dare you embarras Dear leader!"
JAJT
Correction
September 9, 2009 - 21:49 ET by BeukeboomPelosi swiftly goose-stepped to him afterwards screaming at him, "how DARE you embarrass lieber Führer!"
Joe Wilson's phone numbe is
September 9, 2009 - 22:27 ET by ConservativeRexJoe Wilson's phone numbe is 202-225-2452. Good luck trying to egt through, it's been busy every time I try. I'll try again tomorrow.
LOL-Maybe there were congress people reading the live chat...
September 9, 2009 - 21:17 ET by R D Helm...'cause every third comment was, "LIAR!"
LOL.
-Dave
Even when the government tries to kiss you, it is just a prelude to a good screwing. -Neal Boortz
where is the rest of the GOP?
September 9, 2009 - 21:19 ET by candanceWhy didn't they boycott this speech? Why are they all sitting there acting polite while Obama calls Sarah Palin a liar? Why are we doing all the grunt work at tea parties, we're organizing marches, we're standing up to union bullies, we're reading thousand-page bills ourselves, we're having the MSM call us terrorists, and Obama standing up there calling us liars.....
...and the best the GOP can do is one guy speaking out?
Throw these bums out. Every last one. I'm getting darn tired of them ignoring me to play with their little friends in Washington and then demand my vote every term because they're "better than the other guy."
I agree, I'd love to see a
September 9, 2009 - 21:20 ET by Radical1979I agree, I'd love to see a third party. And Sarah Palin didn't lie, Obama did.
Purge!
September 9, 2009 - 21:30 ET by UnsaneA third party will only guarantee what we don't want (a second term). It is much better to purge the GOP of its wimps and replace them with those who do not want Congress to turn into a Volkskammer.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Uns, I agree
September 9, 2009 - 23:24 ET by R D HelmAnd it MUST happen no later than November of 2010.
A third party would take one or two decades to become viable.
We have maybe 10 months.
Maybe.
-Dave
Even when the government tries to kiss you, it is just a prelude to a good screwing. -Neal Boortz
McCainiacs
September 9, 2009 - 21:21 ET by Sergeant ROCKI guess the McCainiacs are still running the GOP?
The 'better to lose gracefully than to win bitterly' mentality is still in effect. Just to be polite.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
mccainiacs
September 9, 2009 - 21:23 ET by candanceYou got that right. And I am so over it. I'm drawing a line and I'm not walking past it. Republicans are either in or out.
Civility? Hell no!
September 9, 2009 - 21:45 ET by BeukeboomPoliteness be damned. It's time not to be nice. [With due credit to the movie "Roadhouse."]
time to not be nice
September 9, 2009 - 23:08 ET by Free StinkerYou won't know when it's time to not be nice.
Sarah Palin will tell us when that is. ;-)
I guess it depends SR
September 9, 2009 - 23:14 ET by shawn228For every Sarah Palin and Cheney, there is a McCain or Hagel. As for Joe Wilsons Comments, it will rally the base but turn off independents. Yes I know, no need to pander to independents, but kind of hard to win elections without them
"I swear sometimes the self-appointed moral police are as obnoxious and demanding of big government interference as "environmentalist" gun control advocates, labor unions and trial lawyers"~fitzfong
Party Purge needed
September 9, 2009 - 21:23 ET by UnsaneForget November 2010 for the moment...the GOP needs a good old fashioned party "purge" (minus the bloodshed) at primary time. Let them know that if they have no intention of standing up against HMTS the way the Republican minorities stood up against Mr. Greatthings in 1993-1994, they need to be tossed and replaced with those who ARE willing to fight.
It's the United States Congress, not the Volkskammer.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Uns... Yep...No more $$$
September 9, 2009 - 21:26 ET by bigtimerUns...
Yep...No more $$$ to them...I have had it, just individual Conservative members from me...then again, I decided that last election with McC and the tactics from the GOP...
...the big-wigs are brain dead...they need to GO!
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
I think Mr Wilson just ensured his re-election.
September 9, 2009 - 22:16 ET by TailgunnerAs far as 'death panels' go, all we have to do is look to the UK's NHS.
All it takes is a doctor or a nurse to decide that a patient 'is going to die' and they put him or her on a 'pathway' that GUARANTEES that they DO.
There is almost nothing in the way of oversight, appeal or due process in this 'pathway'.
Medical staff stop giving food and fluids and keep the patient so heavily sedated that any improvement in his or her condition wouldn't be noticed.
Even the British press is expressing concern that this 'pathway' may literally be a 'death panel'. One headline reads, 'Patients Sentenced To Death On NHS Pathway'.
And this is Democrats' model for government-run healthcare.
This might explain why, years ago, the Democrats fought so hard to have food and fluids withheld from Terry Schiavo in Florida.
Their fight to get such a case recognized as a precedent makes it possible for Democrats to implement a lot of their goals.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democrats are the party of killers, racists, pedophiles, bribe takers, serial sexual harassers, liars, perjurers, obstructors of justice and treasonous frauds.
Purge Party '09
September 9, 2009 - 21:30 ET by Sergeant ROCKStart with exposing those weak-kneed Republicans and do not give $$$ to the GOP, but rather directly to those individuals that best represent your principles.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Can... It has to be up to
September 9, 2009 - 21:27 ET by Clear thinkerCan...
It has to be up to us, it's the way the system is supposed to work. Besides, neither side of the aisle can be trusted.
Obamacare A Lie And Hypocritical
http://iamnotaracist.wordpress.com/
At one point I saw
September 9, 2009 - 21:19 ET by Radical1979At one point I saw (presumably Republicans) waving something during the applause. Does anyone know what they were waving?
§ Radical...That was the Health Care Bill !!!!
September 9, 2009 - 21:25 ET by TheSterThe Front page of the Heathcare Bill!!!
Ster.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher
Waving
September 9, 2009 - 21:43 ET by BeukeboomI wish it had been a "Don't Tread On Me" flag.
They were showing POTUS
September 9, 2009 - 22:48 ET by d1carterThey were showing POTUS copies of bills that had submitted for consideration and were rejected. They wante him to see that Repubs have been trying to contribute but were shut out of the process. As if he didn't know.
Amazing that I didn't hear
September 9, 2009 - 23:09 ET by Free StinkerAmazing that I didn't hear anything about that on the news . . .oh wait.
Never mind.
Prime Minister Obama is definitely a liar...and so much more!
September 9, 2009 - 21:19 ET by DJEddleSo, the "president" lied about illegals and health care...then someone in attendance told the truth about Obama being a liar. I certainly don't have a problem with that.
I just wish more people would call him and his cronies liars when they claim he is eligible for the presidency. For example - when they say he is a "natural-born citizen," even though he was born a British citizen and has never lost that status.
A British Citizen as President of the United States
Or when he says he will run the most transparent administration ever - but refuses to release any documents from his past, including his records as a state senator, let alone share the advice he receives from his multitude of unelected "czars."
But I guess finding out who he really is or what he's trying to hide is equivalent to being a racist and conspiracy theorist. Never mind the simplicity of being honest...it's much more fun to label and ridicule your opposition.
"Liar"? That's possibly the biggest understatement of the year.
Rational Liberty: Where Reason and Government Collide - The best website ever!
LIAR
September 9, 2009 - 21:20 ET by cajun2I don't care who said it. Best town hall meeting of the summer.
'Ronald Reagan said," the people tend to elect one of their own, a common man, to the office of President. Then, he must rise to the level of the position". Obama's lies and condescending attitude only prove he has not yet arrived.
Nor will he ever
September 9, 2009 - 21:42 ET by BeukeboomNor will he ever arrive.
It's the "Chicago way."
cajun2
September 9, 2009 - 21:42 ET by BarkerBest town hall meeting of the summer
Oh yeah, that's a keeper.
Good one!
up until the moment of the outburst
September 9, 2009 - 21:21 ET by delmarI had been muttering to myself--why am I wasting my time watching this snorefest. And can someone with a better memory than me help me here? I seem to remember during one of President Bush's speeches some democrats were hissing at him at times. Does anyone have any memory of that?
Hell, by the time ObamaCare kicks in, illegals won't be illegal
September 9, 2009 - 21:22 ET by R D Helm...anymore, as they will have been given amnesty and the right to vote in our elections.
The dems are deadly serious about a defeat-proof socialist congress. They have no intention of seeing a repeat of 1994.
-Dave
Even when the government tries to kiss you, it is just a prelude to a good screwing. -Neal Boortz
Non-traditional citizens
September 9, 2009 - 21:25 ET by Sergeant ROCKlol.. good point! Maybe that was the plan from the start??
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
I don't blame him...
September 9, 2009 - 21:23 ET by SlyrrThere are only so many times you can take it when this corrupt president and his thug cronies spit in your face and say it's rain water. If Obama is going to wander into Congress and start dictating lies to them, then those who know better have every right to call him on the carpet for the deception.
Kudos to Wilson.
It's rich to see the media belly-aching, bemoaning the 'loss of respect for the office of the presidency' when we had sixteen years of A) Clinton using the presidency as a lauching pad for orgies B) Democrats and leftist media screaming 'Bush is illigitimate'.
If they're mad that no one respects the presidency, they have no one to blame but themselves. They want people to respect the presidency? Try supporting respectable men!
?
September 9, 2009 - 21:39 ET by Beukeboomand here I was thinking Obama and his cronies were pissing on the collective leg of America and claiming it was rain.
Heck, I wish every repub in the chamber had jumped up...
September 9, 2009 - 21:26 ET by R D Helm...and screamed, "LIAR!" every time the Comrade Chairman told one.
Of course, that would have required stones far larger than the repubs actually have.
Perhaps they should have all stopped off at Rent-A-Rock on their way to the speech.
-Dave
Even when the government tries to kiss you, it is just a prelude to a good screwing. -Neal Boortz
Or better, stand up, and
September 9, 2009 - 21:28 ET by Conservative VoiceOr better, stand up, and face the other direction
Mooning
September 9, 2009 - 21:38 ET by BeukeboomOh, I'd hug the first congresscritter of any party who mooned Obama a la the famous mooning scene in the movie "Braveheart."
~Oy
September 9, 2009 - 21:40 ET by choselife3xHave you seen those people? Talk about government pork....
Perhaps they could invite
September 9, 2009 - 21:45 ET by RESTLESS 1Sarah, Ann, and Michelle to sit with them. I think I could get through it then. ;)
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
Beukeboom, Hell, I'd probably kiss 'em.
September 9, 2009 - 21:41 ET by R D Helm-Dave
Even when the government tries to kiss you, it is just a prelude to a good screwing. -Neal Boortz
Well
September 9, 2009 - 21:27 ET by well99So it is ok for him to lie and accuse "prominent politicians" of it but he cant be called on it.BS!
Sensitive Man?
September 9, 2009 - 21:37 ET by BeukeboomRemember, he's Barack "I'm sensitive when folks make fun of my ears" Obama, the thin-skinned wunderkid from Chicago.
I remember at least one occasion when Newt Gingrich was Speaker.
September 9, 2009 - 22:00 ET by TailgunnerThe Dems walked right out of the chamber.
And have we forgotten the time recently when Nancy Pelosi shut off the microphones and the power when the GOP was trying to discuss a bill and then went on recess?
If anyone has a lack of class in these matters, it's Democrats.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democrats are the party of killers, racists, pedophiles, bribe takers, serial sexual harassers, liars, perjurers, obstructors of justice and treasonous frauds.
Awesome
September 9, 2009 - 21:28 ET by rightwingchefGood for Rep Wilson, its about time someone showed they have some cojones. This was just priceless...
*****Update 2
September 9, 2009 - 21:30 ET by BKeyserBKeyser is reporting that he yelled "you lie" and "liar" on multiple occasions during the address. Some reports indicate these vulgar outbursts occured at least dozen times.
~Is that all?
September 9, 2009 - 21:31 ET by choselife3xThat high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my 4" spiked heel.
~~choose
September 9, 2009 - 21:34 ET by BKeyserI slept, on and off, for a total of 38 minutes...
~Ahhhhhh..that explains it
September 9, 2009 - 21:36 ET by choselife3xI couldn't make it through the whole thing myself...I'm not a masochist.
Deleted
September 9, 2009 - 21:44 ET by RESTLESS 1Post moved to the apprpriate place.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
~On moving..and appropriate places
September 9, 2009 - 21:47 ET by choselife3xThanks, that was a cold hand!
Vulgar?
September 9, 2009 - 21:35 ET by BeukeboomPerhaps it's past time for more "vulgar" outbursts. The time for civility in politics ended with the libs making all the attacks during the Bush years. If yelling "lie" and "liar" during Obama's speech is vulgar then what liberal extremists are doing against conservatives has gotta be considered downright evil.
Grow A Pair Conservatives!
September 9, 2009 - 21:33 ET by BeukeboomFrankly, I hope more Republicans will grow a pair of bolas and won't hesitate to let the President know in no uncertain terms when they know he's laying the bull on thick and heavy instead of sitting on their hands. Obama's already drawn lines in the political sand. Are conservatives willing to cross it and take the libs on?
When you have the POTUS
September 9, 2009 - 21:34 ET by d1carterWhen you have the POTUS call a Republican a liar in his speech....how can you blame someone for the outburst?
some facts about the GOP
September 9, 2009 - 21:34 ET by candance-Sarah Palin exposed the death panels.
-Glenn Beck exposed Van Jones.
-Bloggers exposed HR 3200.
-Independent voters created TEA parties.
-Old school Democrats protested at town halls.
-Grassroots killed the bill in August.
The GOP was busy playing footsie with Obama.
If you misrepresent what's in this plan
September 9, 2009 - 21:36 ET by delmarwe will call you out.
That works both ways.
On the other hand
September 9, 2009 - 21:37 ET by Conservative VoiceRepublicans have to be careful not to turn this into a Republican vs Democrat thing...as this is really a America vs Amerika thing....
I disagree
September 9, 2009 - 21:41 ET by candanceAmericans are already showing up in protest (some getting beaten in the streets) in a bi-partisan effort to kill the bill, and *both* parties in DC are blowing us off.
This is an America vs Amerika thing, and right now the GOP is on the wrong side.
I'm a proud Texas woman and
September 9, 2009 - 21:38 ET by marpelI'm a proud Texas woman and Mr. Wilson from SC is my new hero!
The POTUS should apologize
September 9, 2009 - 21:44 ET by d1carterThe POTUS should apologize for calling a politician from the opposing part a liar while give a speech in a joint session of Congress.
~~d1
September 9, 2009 - 21:47 ET by BKeyserNotice how Prezbo attacks someone NOT in the room. Joe Wilson attacked the President of the United States. You know, Joe probably woudn't be getting attacked so hard by the left right now had he just thrown his shoe...
HR3200
September 9, 2009 - 21:50 ET by ChattychitoI have been trying to read the damn thing where does it say that illegal immigrants get covered? I know they do all ready all they have to do is go to the emergency room and presto free medical at taxpayer expense
HR320 may not say anything about death panels but who is going to make the decisions on what elderly care is given to the elderly or not. Who will make the decision that a 70 year old man cannot have a pacemaker installed to extend his life because his enlarge prostrate will eventually become cancerous and he will die of that.
Who will decide that an 74 year old or older cannot receive dialysis because they are to old to get a kidney transplant and they are going to die anyway, or that if they do qualify for a transplant that it is better to give the kidney to someone younger because statistically they will live longer than the elderly patient thereby saving the government money. the wording shows that some kind of panel or process must be followed for these decisions and someone must be held accountable and responsible for the financial decisions being made.
"A man who doesn't borrow from the brains of others proves he has no brains of his own." CH Spurgeon
I can't pull it up right
September 9, 2009 - 21:58 ET by Radical1979I can't pull it up right now, but check page 50. From my notes it doesn't guarantee healthcare for illegals, but it doesn't prohibit it. Republicans tried to amend it so illegals would be denied, but Dems over ruled them.
BINGO! You understand the
September 9, 2009 - 22:04 ET by Clear thinkerBINGO!
You understand the scum-bag politician theory.
Obamacare A Lie And Hypocritical
http://iamnotaracist.wordpress.com/
Unintended consequences
September 9, 2009 - 22:09 ET by Sergeant ROCKObama and his followers have convinced themselves that unintended consequences like illegals getting free care or employers dropping coverage altogether, is not necessarily 'lying'.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
What it does say is... that
September 9, 2009 - 22:03 ET by Clear thinkerWhat it does say is... that unless they have the proper identification they are not eligible for federal coverage.
Here's where you have to think like a scum-bag politician. It does NOT say what is considered proper ID, and it does NOT say that they are barred from the States covering them. And on it goes. You just have to start thinking like a scum-bag pol and you come up with all sorts of ways to fool everyone.
Bottom line... DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE TRUST THIS ADMINISTRATION!
Obamacare A Lie And Hypocritical
http://iamnotaracist.wordpress.com/
I understand
September 9, 2009 - 22:11 ET by Chaitealoverthat health care providers will be forbidden to ask a patient for proof of citizenship. So, of course illegals will be able to get care anytime, anyplace.
Chai
“When all government...in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the center of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided...” Thomas Jefferson
SOBama is the first to call opposition LIAR
September 9, 2009 - 21:49 ET by DelsaI don't care who it was who said it, I stand with him or her!
Someone has to call this SOBama out!
McCain called it disrespectful. Oh well??
I think emotions over watching our country go into a socialist/marxist state is just too overwhelming for some.
You don't even want to hear what I yell at the television. Sometimes I surprise myself!
SOBama is the liar in chief.
I hope he fails!
~Disrespectful
September 9, 2009 - 22:07 ET by choselife3xDisrespectful to conservatives.
Disrespectful to the American people.
Disrespectful to the British people.
Disrespectful to President Bush.
Ditto.
I'll stop there because this will go all night if I list them all.
Doubt v. No Doubt
September 9, 2009 - 21:49 ET by svh83There is some doubt about who yelled "lie" or "liar". There is no doubt about who the liar is.
"I think you'd better call John, 'cause it don't look they're here to deliver...the mail". -NY
Has anyone seen a session of British Parliament lately?
September 9, 2009 - 21:54 ET by TailgunnerBritish MP's in session have all the tact and decorum of a soccer match combined with a rugby game and crossed with a race riot.
One comment from a GOP 'back-bencher' doesn't begin to compare with the cacophony of a House of Commons meeting.
This should start a discussion on the number of times Democrats specifically voted down restrictions on illegals receiving government-run healthcare; thereby expressing their INTENT to ensure that they DO receive it.
Not only will they GET it...but no illegal alien will ever be DENIED or RATIONED medical care. There are too many illegal votes at stake.
About time someone put a stop to these charades. I'm gonna vote for this guy...and I live in Florida.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democrats are the party of killers, racists, pedophiles, bribe takers, serial sexual harassers, liars, perjurers, obstructors of justice and treasonous frauds.
→ Get real
September 9, 2009 - 21:51 ET by Cool ArrowOn O'Reilly tonight, even Marc Lamont Hill admitted Obama was lying.
He was OK with the deception, but he did admit Obama was lying.
Van Jones is a Quitter - FS
PhD in Ebonics
September 9, 2009 - 21:54 ET by Sergeant ROCKReally? I'd have to see that to believe it. That guy is one of Obama's biggest followers.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
I'm going to have to catch
September 9, 2009 - 21:57 ET by bigtimerI'm going to have to catch the repeat later.
Glad you let me know though CA...for once I may be able to turn the volume up when Hill is talking.
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
Little Van
September 9, 2009 - 22:47 ET by BarkerMarc Lamont Hill, like Van Jones, is a big supporter of Mumia Abu Jamal, the cold-blooded cop-killer.
I've called the little punk out several times on his blog.
The Nutty Professor Hill is probably just trying to distance himself from the radioactive Obama.
Both these sites are
September 9, 2009 - 21:58 ET by Dan DiegoBoth these sites are "unavailable"
www.joewilsonforcongress.com/home
joewilson.house.gov
YES. If there's something
September 9, 2009 - 22:00 ET by balboaYES. If there's something that these political speeches need, it's more heckling. Waldorf and Stadler, step right up.
so bal
September 9, 2009 - 22:56 ET by candanceYou think it was dignified for Obama to call Sarah Palin a liar on national TV?
Isn't it funny how a
September 9, 2009 - 22:01 ET by SvenIsn't it funny how a small four-letter word--when correctly applied--can cause so much heart-burn?
Watch the video when Rep. Wilson calls out to Obama, "lies!" Obama is completely thrown for a loop! Obama does not know how to react to opposition...especially public opposition!
There may have been some who were buying into this thugs B.S. tonight, but when Rep. Wilson called his pap lies, many were again reminded that Obama can't be trusted!
Oh, and to those who think it was unprofessional of Rep. Wilson to call this thug out on his "lies", let me ask you, was equally unprofessional of Obama to call those of us who oppose this sh** legislation as spreading "lies?"
We saw what eight years of decorum from GW Bush to the Dems got us...NOTHING!
One word I never want to hear again: Bipartisan!
-Sven
OH BOY
September 9, 2009 - 22:06 ET by someloudthunderHERE COMES THE DRIVE-BY MEDIA
It is currently 11:00 P.M.
Joe Wilson be prepared to have your ass remmed by ABC, NBC, MSNBC and CNN for having the balls to do something no one else would which is calling the president out on his BS.
But really the health bill doesn't cover immigrants. It would have been better to say nothing because Wilson my lose his seat over this due to the drive-by media.
Obama is telling the truth when he says that there are no death panels in the bill*
*but and it's a BIG BUT, THERE WAS AT ONE POINT SO OBVIOUSLY HE'S NOT LYING NOW AM I RIGHT GUYS?
Stop this bill, stop it dead in it's tracks if you want to keep America, America.
He just apologized.
September 9, 2009 - 22:12 ET by BKeyserHe just apologized.
Who, Obama? Why can't
September 9, 2009 - 22:17 ET by SvenWho, Obama?
Why can't these people stand behind their convictions!
Hey Obama, we the people won't be so willing to apologize to your sorry lying A$$!
One word I never want to hear again: Bipartisan!
-Sven
11:06 - Greta just read Wilson's apology nt
September 9, 2009 - 22:12 ET by DeskpilotIf you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read it in English, You're welcome - Deskpilot, AM(H)1 (AW), USN (Ret)
Wilson apologizes
September 9, 2009 - 22:12 ET by Sergeant ROCKWas McCain hasselin' him?
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
I have absolutely no
September 9, 2009 - 22:22 ET by SvenI have absolutely no respect for John McCain...he's a disgrace!
Did you see him tonight when Obama was praising him? It was sickening watching him eat this praise up!
McCain's first thought in any decision is: "How will the media and the Dems view my position? Will they still love me in the morning?"
There's a simple reason why McCain won't join the Dems. Oh, he agrees with them on lots of issues, but if he were to join them, he'd lose his "Maverick" status. He'd be just another Dem...like Arlen Specter!
One word I never want to hear again: Bipartisan!
-Sven
I agree with you 100%. Almost every time McCain opens...
September 10, 2009 - 02:13 ET by jawebster1his mouth, he says something I don't agree with. He should have said something when his daughter was spouting off, but he didn't. The man is a Democrat at heart and probably ran as a Republican in Arizona because he knew that would give him the best chance of winning. I did not vote for him. I voted for Sarah Palin. Jim Webster
Everyone that thinks this is
September 9, 2009 - 22:15 ET by balboaEveryone that thinks this is a great thing, you would have lost your mind had someone done that to Bush. You would have gone on, and on, about "Those darn emotional liberals," yet this is OK?
~If Bush WERE actually lying (like Obama was)
September 9, 2009 - 22:17 ET by choselife3xAND calling someone ELSE a liar (who isn't) then it would have been fine with me.
I imagine many people
September 9, 2009 - 22:19 ET by balboaI imagine many people thought Bush lied during speeches, and that Obama didn't tonight.
~The difference is
September 9, 2009 - 22:24 ET by choselife3xYou can read the healthcare bill and know Obama lied tonight. Whether or not he lied isn't a matter of opinion, it's fact. Deal.
That doesn't mean you yell
September 9, 2009 - 22:26 ET by balboaThat doesn't mean you yell it at him in the middle of a speech. Like I said, you'd want to tar and feather someone who did that during a Bush speech before congress.
~Not if it was true
September 9, 2009 - 22:29 ET by choselife3xA lie is a lie.
Sorry. I don't believe you.
September 9, 2009 - 22:31 ET by balboaSorry. I don't believe you.
~I'm not that partisan, bal
September 9, 2009 - 22:37 ET by choselife3xRegistered Independent. I'm a conservative because it's the political philosophy that most closely reflects my own beliefs. I'm not a Republican.
A lie is a lie, no matter who tells it. If Bush had said a provable lie then I wouldn't have a problem with it being pointed out in the same fashion. I despise liars. And hypocrites. And I won't support or condone them.
chose...There are numerous
September 9, 2009 - 22:45 ET by Jerchose...There are numerous ways to expose and publicize what conservatives believe to be a provable lie uttered by Obama. For a member of the opposition to shout out the charge during ANY President's speech before Congress is disgraceful and inexcusable. There is no defending it.
This place would be literally exploding with condemnation if the circumstances had been reversed.
Jer
~He apologized
September 9, 2009 - 22:53 ET by choselife3xFor being uncivil. I didn't say it was okay, I said that if the circumstances were reversed I wouldn't "tar and feather" the guy as bal implied.
On CL's comment/ditto...
September 9, 2009 - 23:06 ET by Georgia GirlI agree with Chose. So ditto. Too tired for more than "ditto." :)
Night, folks!
Screw it!
September 9, 2009 - 22:57 ET by UnsaneTo hell with this fake civility, Jer. Time to take off the gloves.
I'll worry about civility if it starts looking like the Taiwanese Parliament of the mid 1990s.
...or, if it looks like Senatorial debates in the 1850s in...the United States.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Not necessarily, if a
September 9, 2009 - 23:02 ET by zfNot necessarily, if a republican was up there pushing a lie and a dem called him or her on it, that would be fine too.
And yes, there are numerous ways to expose and publicize but this was more satisfying, direct and attention getting.
And shouting out the charge during ANY President is disgraceful? I'm sure Adolf Hitler would have appreciated that new rule in the 30's.
You know also, in Congress there used to be duels and insults shouted all the time, so take your sissy ass whining about Wilson disturbing Black Hitler's BS session elsewhere.
zf...
September 9, 2009 - 23:49 ET by JerYes, I'm fairly well acquainted with the historical references. But if you really endorse the type of political brawling suggested by your post, I assume you don't have a problem with the incivility at lib/progressive websites which has been continually disparaged on the NB threads.
Jer
Jer
September 10, 2009 - 00:00 ET by RESTLESS 1I don't have a problem with it at all. I do have a problem with the media not condemning comments and articles like that at the liberal blogs, but agreeing whole heartedly with this administration that we are terrorists if we react in kind.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
Jer, if you remember your childhood stories....
September 10, 2009 - 07:51 ET by Tailgunner...you may also recall that it was most certainly improper for the child to cry out, 'But the Emperor has no clothes!'
But it was the one thing that brought the entire charade to an end.
We should cut the guy some slack.
Also keep in mind the huge double standard between certain liberals who gain access, sometimes fraudulently, into these venues with the intent of disrupting them and conservatives who 'let their emotions get the better of them'.
We know who catches more hell on these talk shows.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democrats are the party of killers, racists, pedophiles, bribe takers, serial sexual harassers, liars, perjurers, obstructors of justice and treasonous frauds.
*.
September 9, 2009 - 23:53 ET by Jerdouble post
Jer during that part of the
September 10, 2009 - 00:12 ET by Dan The Man 2Jer during that part of the speech there was a lot of grumbling and it was loud and noticable and then the word, one word, LIE came out. It was not out of line considering the grumbling and the looks on Duh One and Paloosi were priceless. It was in congress chambers but was not in regular hours but a special session called by the President.
The President said he had an open door policy and Wilson merely availed himself of it, publically.
Fake BS civility
September 9, 2009 - 22:36 ET by UnsaneActually, I wish it were more like British Parliament (as I have satetd several times before). Your God, His Majesty The Shahinshah, would wilt on question one (h/t BEGRUNT). On question two, He'd start crying like a 2 year old. Question three, He'd be running out of there like said two year old crying to mommy.
We need more moments like this and less of this fake bulls*** civility in Congress.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
"Actually, I wish it were
September 9, 2009 - 22:38 ET by balboa"Actually, I wish it were more like British Parliament (as I have satetd several times before). Your God, His Majesty The Shahinshah, would wilt on question"
You say that _now_. (But that would be, at least, more entertaining)
I say it now
September 9, 2009 - 22:43 ET by Unsane...and I will say it always.
This country needs to dispense with the bulls***. Stop with this fake civility like "I so respectfully disagree with the gentleman from IL, blah blah blah."
Why do I say this? It's a long story that will bore you to tears. Let's just say it involves applying lessons from a successful marriage I have seen...
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
bal-d'oh-uh
September 9, 2009 - 22:18 ET by Sergeant ROCKYeah, I get bored seeing all of those liberals apologizing for the crap they say.. oh wait..!
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Ser-doh Rock, we're talking
September 9, 2009 - 22:21 ET by balboaSer-doh Rock, we're talking about yelling at the president, not apologies or lack thereof.
Leave the comedy to the grown-ups
September 9, 2009 - 22:27 ET by Sergeant ROCKWilson apologized, idiot. You're a day late and a dollar short there genius.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
As I said, if you could read
September 9, 2009 - 22:30 ET by balboaAs I said, if you could read again -- more closely this time -- I'm not talking about apologies.
And you have no "comedy," if you think "bal-doh-uh" is actual comedy.
~~~You're late weighing in on this Bal
September 9, 2009 - 22:19 ET by BKeyserwe've already determined that the approved protocol is throwing a shoe.
Maybe we could hear Sarah Palin all the way from Alaska?
September 9, 2009 - 22:15 ET by Free StinkerMaybe we could hear Sarah Palin all the way from Alaska?
". . . President Obama should follow his own sound advice and avoid making 'wild misrepresentations'."
To those that wished for an apology..
September 9, 2009 - 22:16 ET by Sergeant ROCK.. what if he yelled out 'BULLSH*T!' instead?
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
The Porky's Trilogy
September 9, 2009 - 22:46 ET by Unsane...then I would have been begging, aching for one of the classic scenes from The Porky's Trilogy to break out right then and there.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Rock... That works for me
September 9, 2009 - 23:25 ET by bigtimerRock...
That works for me as well.
The truth is the truth.
Simple as that.
Candy-coated words have got this country in the mess it is now.
...NO MORE...and quit APOLOGIZING!
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
If The One's guy (Van Jones)
September 9, 2009 - 22:18 ET by Dan DiegoIf The One's guy (Van Jones) can say that Bush carried out the Sept 11th attacks, what's wrong with a congressman calling a liar a liar?
I'll say it if no one else will
September 9, 2009 - 22:29 ET by jon_torlinIf someone does say it in a post prior to me hitting "post comment" then it's just GMTA, but I gotta get this off my chest.
That guy who said "You lie!" to Soetoro, he did apologize for his "lack of civility" and I didn't see where he apologized to the Prevaricator in Chief, that's something at least.
Having said that, apologizing for telling the truth made him in my mind a real limp noodle. The other word I had for him starts with a P and ends with a Y. It's similar to Pusilanimous. He didn't grow a pair, he just made one and it went into non-functional status after just one use.
I admire the republicans for sitting down, but come on, grow a pair, hell, get some testosterone shots and show some guts and call a spade a spade! Those @$$holes aren't holding back, fight fire with fire! We can forgive you for that!
But causing us to lose this country will be unforgiveable in the end.
-Jon
HOW DARE HE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
September 9, 2009 - 22:32 ET by UnsaneThat look on His Majesty The Shahinshah's face simply screamed "YOU DO NOT EVER, EVER, QUESTION ME! YOU DO NOT EVER RAISE YOUR VOICE AT ME! YOU DO NOT EVER OPPOSE ME!"
If this were not a democracy, doubtless Mr. Wilson and his entire family would be getting tortured to death right now because he DARED question Him!!!
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
No, Balboa, liberals usually get themselves ARRESTED...
September 9, 2009 - 22:32 ET by Tailgunner...at these events.
Either they sneak in with phony press passes and call Bush names, or they unroll banners, or strip down to pink shirts or something equally classless.
And you never hear the press condemning misuse of their credentials; hell, it turns out they were SUPPLIED by the press in some cases.
And there's never a call for 'apologies'.
And McCain, with all due respect, sir, please shut up.
You had an opportunity and a duty to defend this nation from this imminent socialist train wreck.
You could have stopped Obama.
But you held back when you should have fought back.
You had your chance and you blew it, sir.
Now please get the hell out of the way.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democrats are the party of killers, racists, pedophiles, bribe takers, serial sexual harassers, liars, perjurers, obstructors of justice and treasonous frauds.
Obama called EVERYONE
September 9, 2009 - 23:08 ET by Delsawho disagrees with HIM a LIAR.
I'm sick of Americans sitting back and gladly following this son of a bitch into HELL!
Like lambs to the slaughter we are going if we don't stand up now!
Wilson said he was sorry and I'm sorry he did.
Oh well.
My father is dead and for that I am glad. He sat in a Japanese POW camp for 3 and 1/2 years yearning for our country and willing to die for it.
Now we can't even call Obama what he is doing.
My father would never die for this man.
I'm sick
"Obama called EVERYONE who disagrees with HIM a LIAR."
September 10, 2009 - 08:20 ET by vrwc13"Obama called EVERYONE who disagrees with HIM a LIAR."
...hmmm good point Delsa, and when he did the dems all got up and clapped. Too bad the repubs didn't respond the same when someone else gave him a taste of his on medicine.
v
...Joe Wilson/NOW (not 2012)
Obama doesn't lie he just misrepresents the truth
September 10, 2009 - 08:40 ET by AgnosticI've already read that President used his story about Otto Raddatz in his speech last night and it is the same one he used in an article for the NYT I believe. That story was found to be an exageration the first time he told it and I'm sure they proof is still around somewhere. So Obama was eloquently misrepresenting the truth while accusing others of lying and the ever reliable media will only cover one side of the story.
A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections
"Obama.. eloquently misrepresenting the truth while accusing...
September 10, 2009 - 08:47 ET by vrwc13So Obama was eloquently misrepresenting the truth while accusing others of lying...
...can't really add to that...
v
Rep. Wilson could apologize
September 9, 2009 - 23:28 ET by metaphorsbwithuRep. Wilson could apologize by saying: "I apologize to anyone who might have been offended by hearing the truth for a change."
metaphorsbwithu
Let me ask you this metaphor
September 9, 2009 - 23:32 ET by shawn228It would surely delight the base if he said that, but do you feel it will do more harm or good for stopping Obamacare?
"I swear sometimes the self-appointed moral police are as obnoxious and demanding of big government interference as "environmentalist" gun control advocates, labor unions and trial lawyers"~fitzfong
Actually, shawn 228, that
September 9, 2009 - 23:43 ET by metaphorsbwithuActually, shawn 228, that is what is known as "sarcasm." I so try to avoid winky-faces and such whenever possible when I'm engaging in satire. ;-)
metaphorsbwithu
Joe Wilson
September 9, 2009 - 23:32 ET by wingnut55Obama sure has his problems with men named "Joe". Maybe we will find out later that Joe Wilson's first name isn't Joe, but Joseph. Then we will find out that is isn't really a Congressman, but a Plumber. All can say is, it's about time someone in the GOP told the President just what the American people feel about him. I wish you were my Representative, Joe Wilson.
Joe Wilson should have been
September 9, 2009 - 23:41 ET by 24enakJoe Wilson should have been tossed from the speech. It was not appropriate, to show up the president during his address. Like in baseball you cannot show up the umpire during the game, or he will toss you out of the game. It showed a lack of respect. If you disagree with what the president is saying then don't clap or stand up when everyone else is.
There should have been no props like the sign that read "what bill?" or the congressmen that held up draft GOP bills. Isn't there a rule that no signs are aloud at town halls, so why on Earth should politicians brings signs in. It was stupid and I have no respect for those politicians now, but have respect for those that have condemned what they did.
awww..did him hurt your
September 10, 2009 - 00:11 ET by obxrayawww..did him hurt your feewings..........He's just grabed a chance to tell the nation what a bs'er this guy is.Btw...do you feel the same way when the WH uses the word liar when they talk about fox new's or town hall folk's? Well do you ?little cry baby.go to cnn.com to cry.
No he just disrespted the
September 10, 2009 - 00:40 ET by 24enakNo he just disrespted the highest office in the nation, in front of his colleages and made an ass of himself and has issued an apology.
“This evening I let my emotions get the best of me when listening to the President’s remarks regarding the coverage of illegal immigrants in the health care bill. While I disagree with the President’s statement, my comments were inappropriate and regrettable. I extend sincere apologies to the President for this lack of civility.”
The WH response to all the misinformation has been civil. They have said that their are legitimate concerns about health care reform and questions should be asked, but the ridiculous claims about 'death panels', illegal immigrants being covered, rationing health care, abortions and so on and so forth have hindered the process of coming together to reform health care.
If the WH called legitimate concerns of town hall protesters lies, then I would object, but they are calling the ridiculous false claims by those that as false and lies.
You're about to make a big mistake, pal.
September 10, 2009 - 07:35 ET by Tailgunner'No he just disrespted the highest office in the nation, in front of his colleages and made an ass of himself and has issued an apology.'
Are you SURE you want to open up that can of worms?
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democrats are the party of killers, racists, pedophiles, bribe takers, serial sexual harassers, liars, perjurers, obstructors of justice and treasonous frauds.