As the anger over the nation's movement towards socialism grows, Democrats' patience with town hall meeting protesters is clearly wearing thin.
On Saturday, Congresswoman Carol Shea-Porter (D-NH) instructed security guards to escort what ended up being a retired New York City patrolman out of a fiery Manchester gathering.
New Hampshire's Union Leader reported Sunday (video embedded below the fold, h/t Ed Morrissey):
Removed from the forum because he continually interrupted Shea-Porter and others in Manchester was Carl Tomanelli of Londonderry, who objected when her staff passed out health care stickers before the event began.
He claimed the stickers would be used to alert Shea-Porter to supporters. Later he told the New Hampshire Sunday News: "I'm not in favor of any health care reform Carol Shea-Porter is not a part of. If they want me to support it, I have to have the same health care as (U.S. Sen.) Orrin Hatch, or Ted Kennedy or (Christopher) Dodd."
He also objected that people outside Shea-Porter's Congressional district were in the room, including a young man who could not vote. He noted there were out-of-state license plates around the building. "It's a joke," Tomanelli said.
As the Nashua Telegraph reported, Shea-Porter has been speaking quite ill of such protesters:
She chose what sounded like a derogatory reference to opponents, some of whom sprang from the Tea Party rallies across the country against Obama's fiscal agenda.
"They walked around me and they're videotaping me," Shea-Porter said at the Spring Street home of an Obama supporter, according to Foster's Daily Democrat.
"I chose to go there because I wanted to talk to them about what this is really about. And I ask you to do that also. Don't be so divided and so put off that you don't feel like you can have a conversation."
That's fine and admirable, but this is when it got a little unhinged.
"Find those tea-baggers who don't like the idea of this and talk to them."
Nice...a United States Congresswoman using a sexual reference to castigate citizens.
Ironically, Shea-Porter used to be a town hall protester herself:
She stalked then-congressman Jeb Bradley at town hall-style meetings the 1st District Republican incumbent held throughout his district.
Shea-Porter's passion against the Iraq war and other Bush policies made her a darling of the liberal throng that came out to rock the house in September 2006 and deliver her a stunning blowout victory over former House Democratic Leader Jim Craig, of Manchester.
Will Obama-loving media share this event with the public or the delicious irony of a former town hall protester now speaking ill of such folk?
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→ Popcorn ready?
August 30, 2009 - 14:21 ET by Cool ArrowWonder if nwahs will be in here bashing policemen ;-)
We will Barry you! - Russian prophecy
Cool Arrow, That's an
August 30, 2009 - 15:26 ET by hydrodynDMCool Arrow,
That's an easy one.
nwahs defends security guards who like to shut folks up who express opposition to the current administration.
He also likes to disparage retired law enforcement officers.
He can kill two birds with one stone here.
The protesters' disrespect is a reaction
August 30, 2009 - 14:24 ET by KC MulvilleYou can't disrespect the people in the first place, and then expect them to show you deference. That's a prima donna politician.
Carol shea porter is an
August 30, 2009 - 19:50 ET by ThisnThatCarol shea porter is an arrogant dyed-in-the-wool liberal (she mis-represents my district). She's also as dumb as dirt. The only thing she does is pull the lever for liberals. Whatever the party line is -- that's what she does. I've tried voicing my opinion to her many times -- it's like talking to a pool of mud.
It's not surprising she acted like this. She's been told her ilk are royalty, and everybody else are serfs, to be ignored. The only reason she has won in the past is due to democrats moving into NH from Massachusetts, and very weak opposition. I think she will be one of the people removed from office in 2010. The Union Leader won't forget this performance.
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"Tax the rich" is a basically unstable way of governing - The NYT
"They walked around me and they're videotaping me," Shea-Porter
August 30, 2009 - 14:28 ET by BO STINKSThey video-taped you, you dumb bunny, because you and your comrades (the SCM) have to be watched every second. You and your lying ilk must be constantly exposed! Oh, and btw, you are a first class hypocrite, little miss protestor! D--n! This article totally p--ses me off! Elitist! Sorry for the rant.
"...it must be known that we are at all times ready for war." G. Washington
And nothing infuriates a
August 30, 2009 - 14:58 ET by motherbeltAnd nothing infuriates a liberal like having his/her own words quoted accurately, or worse yet, having it on tape!
Precisely, mb
August 30, 2009 - 15:00 ET by BO STINKS"...it must be known that we are at all times ready for war." G. Washington
Yeah, but they can still
August 30, 2009 - 15:40 ET by bretzysdudeYeah, but they can still think they can defend themselves and make the accusation that the videotape was doctored. They are such arrogant boobs.
→ Attention! Code Blue!
August 30, 2009 - 14:29 ET by Cool ArrowWhat an opportunity!
Here we have a Police Officer removed by a security guard because the Congresswoman can't/won't address a concern.
We don't need Code Pink.
Code Blue.
Doctor, the patient is crashing!!!!!
We will Barry you! - Russian prophecy
And another thing!
August 30, 2009 - 14:32 ET by BO STINKSVery brave, having an older gentleman removed from the meeting. Typical communist coward!
edit: Okay, I'm done now.
"...it must be known that we are at all times ready for war." G. Washington
Those simple twits clapping
August 30, 2009 - 14:34 ET by bigtimerThose simple twits clapping as he was removed have another thing coming in 2010.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
IF Obama doesn't suspend
August 30, 2009 - 15:41 ET by bretzysdudeIF Obama doesn't suspend elections.
IF Obama doesn't suspend
August 30, 2009 - 18:26 ET by Dan The Man 2IF Obama doesn't suspend elections.
Why suspend them just rig em.
This is a job of the NH
August 30, 2009 - 14:35 ET by d1carterThis is a job of the NH citizenry to correct. As the cop said the at another meeting, "this ain't America no more".
You know, I am starting to think Cheeks might have been right
August 30, 2009 - 14:36 ET by R D HelmThis really may not be America anymore.
No joke.
-Dave
Even when the government tries to kiss you, it is just a prelude to a good screwing. -Neal Boortz
RD--
August 30, 2009 - 14:38 ET by Kat Outta the BagI'm so with you on that. At least I'm old enough to say I remember when this country was once great... :::sigh:::
Dave... It isn't, not
August 30, 2009 - 14:39 ET by bigtimerDave...
It isn't, not when we have these in place.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
Almost 3 dozen???
August 30, 2009 - 14:55 ET by motherbeltAlmost 3 dozen???
bt....that video is a bit out-of-date....when I said "36 czars" a week or so ago, someone corrected me; it was then 38! He or she posted a list of them too! They are going to have to publish a "Czar Directory" so that lawmakers and/or citizens can know where to address concerns!
These are all people with great regulatory authority, who answer to no one but the President! (Yes, I know you know that...but it can't be said too many times).
This President is arrogating power to himself and his own chosen inner circle at a rate unprecedented in our history!
We have to try to hang on until Nov. 2010! And hopefully put the brakes on this travesty!
mb.... We have to hang
August 30, 2009 - 14:58 ET by bigtimermb....
We have to hang until 2010 is right!
I pray the people are still in the same mood...the way the majority of the congress-critters on both sides of the aisle are going so far, we will be.
They are not listening, they evidently don't have a clue...let alone their arrogance ot put it politely.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
bt,
August 30, 2009 - 15:05 ET by R D HelmHonestly, given the speed at which all of this is happening, I am beginning to wonder if there will be anything meaningful left of the America we all grew up in by November of 2010.
You know, I really hate to be the resident pessimist around here, as I know it grates on more than a few nerves here, but I am apparently seeing things in all this that most people are somehow missing.
When you step back and take it ALL in as a whole, it's a pretty damn frightening picture that is rapidly unfolding in this country.
-Dave
Even when the government tries to kiss you, it is just a prelude to a good screwing. -Neal Boortz
I think you are right Dave
August 30, 2009 - 15:32 ET by acumenHere is a quote from LifeNews.com which somewhat reinforces your pessimism:
Hotline says Republicans have improved their chances in 2010 but "the inescapable math is that Republicans now have six open Senate seats, five of which are likely to be competitive, whereas Democrats have only two, only one of which is certain to be contested."
Hard to argue with numbers bu prayers were certainly answered in 2000 and 2004. Pray, pray, pray...
Dave and acumen... Now
August 30, 2009 - 16:04 ET by bigtimerDave and acumen...
Now here is some good news...come on, unless the midterms are completely stolen by Acorn and their ilk, which I do worry tremedously about....it is looking good for us...at the moment that is.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
Dave
August 30, 2009 - 20:22 ET by SvenSorry to sound like a jerk, but everytime I see one of your posts all I can think of is the Disney charater Eeyore.
Dude, you are seriously one of the most negative people I have ever seen on this forum. Attitudes like yours do nothing to help our cause.
Seems to me you've already given up! Very sad...and pathetic!
One word I never want to hear again: Bipartisan!
-Sven
→ Sven
August 30, 2009 - 20:25 ET by Cool ArrowWhy all the negative vibes about Dave?
We will Barry you! - Russian prophecy
39
August 30, 2009 - 14:58 ET by katainkentsaid list :
1. Afghanistan Czar: Richard Holbrooke
2. AIDS Czar: Jeffrey Crowley
3. Behavioral Science Czar: Not appointed yet
4. Bailout Czar: Neel Kashkari
5. Border Czar: Alan Bersin (Former US attorney)
6. California (Federal) Water Czar: David J. Hayes
7. Car Czar: Ron Bloom
8. Climate Czar: Todd Stern
9. Copyright Czar: Not appointed yet
10. Cyberspace/Internet Fraud Czar: Melissa Hathaway
11. Drug Czar: Gil Kerlikowske
12. Economic Czar: Paul Volcker
13. Education Czar: Arne Duncan
15. Faith-Based Czar: Joshua Dubois
16. Great Lakes Czar: Cameron Davis
17. Green Jobs Czar: Van Jones
18. Guantanomo Closure Czar: Danny Fried
19. Health Care Czar: Nancy-Ann DeParle
20. Information Czar: Vivek Kundra
21. Intelligence Czar: Admiral Dennis Blair
22. Latin-American Czar: Arturo Valenzuela
23. Mideast Policy Czar: Dennis Ross
24. Middle-East Peace Czar: George Mitchell
25. Pay Czar: Kenneth Feinberg
26. Performance Czar: Jeffrey Zients
27. Regulatory Czar: Cass Sunstein
28. ‘Safe Schools’ Czar: Kevin Jennings
29. Science Czar: John Holdren
30. Stimulus Accountability Czar: Earl Devaney
31. Sudan Czar: J. Scott Gration
32. Tarp Czar: Herb Allison
33. Technology Czar: Aneesh Chopra
34. Terrorism Czar: John Brennan
35. Urban Affairs/Housing Czar: Adolfo Carrion
36. Violence Against Women Czar: Lynn Rosenthal
37. War Czar: Douglas Lute
38. Weapons Czar: Ashton Carter
39. WMD Czar: Gary Samore
Czar Directory with vetting process ongoing : 44
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"Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller" Barack Obama (Dr. In Chief)
kata, thanks for reposting
August 30, 2009 - 15:01 ET by motherbeltkata, thanks for reposting that. I couldn't remember who it was that corrected me!
It's beginning to look like the Politburo!
Maybe that's what we should call them!
no worries!
August 30, 2009 - 15:02 ET by katainkentObama must subscribe to the Czar of the Week club. Its hard to keep up. ;)
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"Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller" Barack Obama (Dr. In Chief)
If this keeps up
August 30, 2009 - 15:20 ET by acumenpretty soon the won will have a czar for every one of his 57 states.
acumen... LMAO! ...that
August 30, 2009 - 15:29 ET by bigtimeracumen...
LMAO!
...that was a great zinger.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
"Behavioral Science" Czar?
August 30, 2009 - 15:10 ET by R D HelmWTF is up with that?
And why would we need one unless the government is planning to...
Damn, this lunacy has to be stopped, and soon.
-Dave
Even when the government tries to kiss you, it is just a prelude to a good screwing. -Neal Boortz
Ask Rep Baird
August 30, 2009 - 15:17 ET by katainkentsince he wrote the bill enumerating powers to the position. Remember Baird?
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"Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller" Barack Obama (Dr. In Chief)
kk,
August 30, 2009 - 15:25 ET by R D HelmThat is not a little scary.
What will be next? Mandatory mind-altering drugs?
-Dave
Even when the government tries to kiss you, it is just a prelude to a good screwing. -Neal Boortz
the part I keep reading
August 30, 2009 - 15:52 ET by katainkentNear as I can weed out they want to know why we as a population aren't embracing green technology and how they can change that. “Behavior Science Czar” sounds ominous indeed. I think it should truly be “Green Job Propaganda Czar”. The Obama administration and the democrats have invested a lot of money into the push of “green” energy and job creation. For some reason the country isn't buying what they're selling and they don't know why. So they need to contrive an angle that will sell it. Afterall, GE needs the money :)
I can save them a lot of money with some simple advice. Allow the free market to decide. If energy producer’s can develop “green” technology that is cost effective (either in up front or long term savings) people will embrace it. And in doing so, the producer who develops this technology should be allowed to profit from it. This creates jobs and increases the overall total welfare of society.
By appointing another czar running another bloated, inefficient, government mandated propaganda wing is not going to solve this problem. It’s not cost effective and not everyone believes in the lunacy of global warming. EOS
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"Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller" Barack Obama (Dr. In Chief)
So when are they planning
August 30, 2009 - 15:22 ET by Kat Outta the BagSo when are they planning to move Lenin's waxed-up body to the Capitol Rotundra?
Dave.. sounds like you know
August 30, 2009 - 15:29 ET by celatorDave.. sounds like you know the answer to this one....
Lubyanka and the Gulags were filled with citizens who were declared insane because they disagreed with the direction of the government.
This behavioral czar already knows the template for declaring free citizens insane, and therefore not fit to live without extreme supervision. You can already hear the language Obamatons use when describing those who attend the town meetings.
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
czars out the butt
August 30, 2009 - 15:23 ET by SickofLibsmeanwhile, 50%+ of subcabinet positions requiring confirmation are still posted on the A&P bulletin board: "Now Hiring"
Just for giggles, I looked
August 30, 2009 - 15:26 ET by Kat Outta the BagJust for giggles, I looked up the definition of the word "czar". The bold print is mine:
Main Entry: czar !z@r !ts@r Pronunciation: \ ˈzär, ˈ(t)sär \ Function: noun Etymology: New Latin czar, from Russian tsar', from Old Russian tsĭsarĭ, from Gothic kaisar, from Greek or Latin; Greek, from Latin Caesar - More at - caesar Date: 1555 Results 1. 1 emperor specifically the ruler of Russia until the 1917 revolution 2. 2 one having great power or authority - a banking czar
Related Forms 1. czar·dom!z@r-dum also tsar·dom !(t)s@r-dum or tzar·dom \ ˈzär-dəm, ˈ(t)sär- \ noun Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary copyright © 2009 by Merriam-Webster, incorporated
kata... Fits what O
August 30, 2009 - 15:40 ET by bigtimerkata...
Fits what O thinks he is to a Tee does it not?
Of course the msm has made sure to help him with that false notion.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
Good Afternoon Kat
August 30, 2009 - 17:36 ET by AnotherFedUpOneWould this not define BHO more than his minions? Would he not be the Czar and those under him be Commissars?
com⋅mis⋅sar /ˈkɒməˌsɑr, ˌkɒməˈsɑr/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kom-uh-sahr, kom-uh-sahr] Show IPA
Use commissar in a Sentence
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–noun
1.
the head of any of the major governmental divisions of the U.S.S.R.: called minister since 1946.
2.
an official in any communist government whose duties include political indoctrination, detection of political deviation, etc.
Origin:
1915–20; < Russ komissár < G Kommissar < ML commissārius
from Dictionary.com (bold mine)
Just throwing it out there...
Well..
August 31, 2009 - 10:31 ET by retroconThe czars are the second definition (like banking czar).
Obozo is the Czar czar.
And the reason so many of the sub cabinet appointees are not hired? Obozo doesn't want or care about them. They have to answer to congress, the czars do not. So, rather than having a bunch of answerable appointees, he has a bunch of czars who only answer to him, under EXECUTIVE PRIVILEDGE... meaning, they will never have to testify in front of congress (unless Obozo tells them to).
As I learned in my many
August 30, 2009 - 16:12 ET by mandrakeAs I learned in my many years in corporation land, a good manager knows when and to whom to delegate.
so
August 30, 2009 - 16:22 ET by katainkentyou created numerous redundant departments that overspent their non existant budgets and were accountable to no one but yourself? Meanhwile you neglected to fill the positions your company deemed necessary?
How long did you keep this job?
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"Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller" Barack Obama (Dr. In Chief)
Actually, I was never a
August 30, 2009 - 16:32 ET by mandrakeActually, I was never a 'manager', I was always the one being delagated too. It's that I noticed that the most successful managers were the ones who could assign jobs to those who got the job done. I lasted 20 years.
you weren't?
August 30, 2009 - 16:35 ET by katainkentso then the managers you observed did the abovementioned hiring processes and kept their jobs. That is what you're saying?
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"Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller" Barack Obama (Dr. In Chief)
I really think you're
August 30, 2009 - 16:42 ET by mandrakeI really think you're missing my point. A manager/leader gets to hire and fire people at will..that's the nature of the job. Obama has the most demanding job in the world. So he can hire and fire as many 'czars' as he likes as far I am concerned.
no I'm not
August 30, 2009 - 16:46 ET by katainkentyou're missing mine. And you have an interesting take on the checks and balances system of our government.
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"Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller" Barack Obama (Dr. In Chief)
Rats..fired again. Maybe I
August 30, 2009 - 16:58 ET by mandrakeRats..fired again. Maybe I could become czar of coffee beans or something?
coffee beans?
August 30, 2009 - 17:01 ET by katainkentyou're a very random individual. But thanks for conceding my point.
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"Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller" Barack Obama (Dr. In Chief)
kata: Forgive me for
August 30, 2009 - 17:30 ET by QueenMumkata: Forgive me for injecting a bit of levity, but I think N.B. needs to establish its own list of czars. What say you?
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
Interesting take?
August 30, 2009 - 17:03 ET by motherbeltA manager/leader gets to hire and fire people at will..that's the nature of the job.
kata's going way too easy on you. I would say your theory is waaaay out there!
Even a manager/leader doesn't get to hire as many people as he wants, and give them any title and authority he wanta.
And the President is more than a "manager/leadrer;" He is the Chief Executive of the United States. AND his job description, along with his duties, responsibilities, and accountability are plainly set out in the Constitution.
He is attempting to circumvent the Constitution, IMO, by hiring "Czars." No messy confirmation hearings, no one giving speeches in the Senate on his selections' background and history, that might make people question his pick.
I repeat: This President appears to be arrogating power to himself and a select inner circle, at an unprecedented pace. Even his cabinet secretaries have their powers usurped by "advisers" in the WH who really run things.
mb
August 30, 2009 - 17:06 ET by katainkentit's my understanding that mandrake is a native/citizen of Canada and prone to trollish statements I think that taking him too seriously would be a waste of energy. I've just been handing the fellow some rope.
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"Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller" Barack Obama (Dr. In Chief)
Thanks for the tip. I
August 30, 2009 - 17:10 ET by motherbeltThanks for the tip. I haven't been around NB as much as usual in the past week or so. I guess I'm a little behind.
But for anyone interested, here is a (believe it or not) Washington Post piece indicating that Obama had formulated this plan even before he was sworn in!
...not since Richard M. Nixon tried to abolish the majority of his Cabinet
has a president gone so far in attempting to build a West Wing-based
clutch of advisers with a mandate to cut through -- or leapfrog -- the
traditional bureaucracy.
yup
August 30, 2009 - 17:27 ET by katainkentand that's the part that gives me migraines. :(
You are wise to never take
August 30, 2009 - 18:27 ET by mandrakeYou are wise to never take anything I say seriously. I know I don't. I just come here to have fun with Unsane and NL207.
"Getting older is no problem, you just have to live long enough" - Groucho
mandrake... Long time no
August 30, 2009 - 18:31 ET by bigtimermandrake...
Long time no see...glad everything is still seeming rosy in your world.
You still love Harper.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
Right back at ya BT Yes,
August 30, 2009 - 18:39 ET by mandrakeRight back at ya BT
Yes, things are good..though I have been a little less trollish than usual this summer. But I'll be back in form before you know it. Lots of stuff about health care and I have been trying to stay away. Tried of getting flamed and such..It's now your headache, not mine.
take care :)
mandrake... I'm sure you
August 30, 2009 - 18:42 ET by bigtimermandrake...
I'm sure you will be in full form...but I've never flamed you for your opinions...unless I've gotten senile and don't remember.
...don't answer that!
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
BT
August 30, 2009 - 18:49 ET by mandrakeOk, you have always been very civil. And yes I still like Harper!
ttfn - M'drake
I thought Glenn Beck said
August 30, 2009 - 15:41 ET by bretzysdudeI thought Glenn Beck said 44.
44 will be the total
August 30, 2009 - 19:12 ET by candanceThere are five positions Obama promised on the campaign trail that he hasn't appointed yet, including one for autism (?) and others for equally tedious things.
I think these Czars, who
August 30, 2009 - 15:49 ET by NL207I think these Czars, who are exercising cabinet level authority, and have been appointed outside the normal advise-and-consent confirmation process of the Senate, constitute at the least a vioaltion of law, if not outright violation of the Constitution.
Article II section 2 makes it clear that the President may appoint 'inferior ministers' without the advise and consent of the Senate but only with the permission of the Congress.
"but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments."
All the rest are subject to the previous clause:
"and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the Supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law"
These Czars have more authority than any Ambassador has. That would exclude them from the 'inferior minister' status as I read this. The new Congress could do several things here: abolish these Czars, refuse to authorize funding for the Czars or anythiung they are doing, cut Obama's pay, or even impeach Obama and order him removed because he has exceeded his authority under the Constitution.
NL207--
August 30, 2009 - 15:53 ET by Kat Outta the Bag"The new Congress could do several things here: abolish these Czars, refuse to authorize funding for the Czars or anythiung they are doing, cut Obama's pay, or even impeach Obama and order him removed because he has exceeded his authority under the Constitution."
But they probably won't because most of them are in Obama's pocket.
If the Congress continues as
August 31, 2009 - 12:56 ET by NL207If the Congress continues as it has, Obama's pockets will be emptied in November 2010.
The Obama approach is to
August 30, 2009 - 14:46 ET by TheHistorianThe Obama approach is to remake the country into Amerika. He told us that during the campaign. Those who voted for him but now don't support him ought to go back to his acceptance speech, the San Francisco campaign speech where he denigrated people for clinging to guns, God, and the Bible, and any speech where he was speaking to his liberal supporters. These will tell you what he intended.
"What experience and history teach is
this - that people and governments never have learned anything from history,
or acted on principles deduced from it."
G. W. F. Hegel
Dave.....I have watched it twice......
August 30, 2009 - 15:56 ET by BEGRUNTand for the life of me, cant figure out why he was removed. Is it just because she said so? If so, that's chilling, that a representative of the people will not listen to an opposing view....and has out of state union thugs to back her up.
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
they said
August 30, 2009 - 16:50 ET by Wesen"you were warned" as they took him out.
He was a Cop, he knows his rights, good for him.
they were warned
August 30, 2009 - 17:25 ET by katainkentaccording to the local news.
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"Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller" Barack Obama (Dr. In Chief)
And you are lying...
August 30, 2009 - 18:00 ET by NewHampshireBecause the venue only holds 100
I'm quoting.
August 30, 2009 - 18:08 ET by katainkentwith a link to support it. If you have information to the contrary regarding the police statements I invite you to provide it.
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"Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller" Barack Obama (Dr. In Chief)
BEG,
August 30, 2009 - 17:04 ET by R D HelmAll I could think about was that the only thing missing from that video were Mussolini's Black Shirts swarming the guy and beating the crap out of him with their wooden clubs.
I hate to say it, but I think thinks are going to get a little ugly.
-Dave
Even when the government tries to kiss you, it is just a prelude to a good screwing. -Neal Boortz
America is becoming a socialist republic
August 31, 2009 - 10:11 ET by MozillaAmerica is becoming a socialist republic. So no it is not the country it was once before.
Strictly speaking, the term socialist republic is used by socialists who wish to emphasize that they favour a republic form of government while ruling the country with socialism. To marxists, socialism is a stage of social and economic development that will replace capitalism leading to communism. Therefore, a socialist state is a state that has ended capitalism and is moving towards communism.
However, some countries use the term socialist without claiming to follow communism. Some even argue that states which support a policy of welfare state provision or which practice limited state intervention into financial activity are socialist states.
Over the past few decades, the United States has steadily evolved from a nation of ‘producers' to one of ‘consumers'. The change has been celebrated by politicians and economists as proof of America's arrival at the top of the global economic food chain. This development has depleted the nation of its hard-earned wealth, and has led us to the brink of ruin.
But rather than encouraging a return of America's productive energy,our government is responding to the growing economic crisis by simply trying to boost consumerism at all costs. Their strategy involves the socializing of losses among all citizens so that the depletion can't be easily discerned.
Government-run health care pushes this country away from the mild to moderate egalitarianism to a more of an ultra-egalitarianism with a socialist economy. Egalitarianism is a political doctrine that holds that all people should be treated as equals and a philosophy advocating the removal of economic inequalities among people which again means removing capitalism.
So the USA is moving away from both its free market principals and its democratic freedoms, as proven by the posted article in this section. You have politicians writing bills to give ultimate control of the United States access to the internet to the president, you have the White House asking for people to alert them to health care lies, and now they want to spend trillions on health care that the government does not have.
Gradually, Americans perceive that the proverbial powers that be are preparing to go beyond the political correctness that presumed to instruct them on what they can wear, what they can eat, what they can drive, what kind of washing machine they can have, what kind of controls are mandated for their showers, and what they can say. And it is well to remember that any time you have to be so careful about what you say, the society in which you live is going to be flirting with a police state.
whoops
August 30, 2009 - 15:01 ET by katainkentguess he pointed out something that he shouldn't.
let's see where Carol Shea gets her money... hmm....
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"Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller" Barack Obama (Dr. In Chief)
Excellent. No surprises,
August 30, 2009 - 18:20 ET by celatorExcellent. No surprises, but nice to see it in writing.
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
cel... It's the Union
August 30, 2009 - 18:23 ET by bigtimercel...
It's the Union way!
Made in the USA.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
Looking at the picture you
August 30, 2009 - 15:15 ET by Kat Outta the BagLooking at the picture you can see why the Shea-Porter had him thrown out -- the other people obviously liked what he was saying. I bet that burned her (D) buns big time!
Anybody notice the 300-lb lard bucket
August 30, 2009 - 15:42 ET by SickofLibsAnybody notice the 300-lb lard bucket in the front row with the purple SEIU "I'm a Health Care Voter" t-shirt... the one who stands up clapping while the cops are coming over.
Same t-shirt as:
http://community.comcast.net/comcastportal/board/message?board.id=news&thread.id=939682
SoL--
August 30, 2009 - 15:51 ET by Kat Outta the BagThey're probably given out during the free bus rides to the forums.
SoL... I noticed right
August 30, 2009 - 16:01 ET by bigtimerSoL...
I noticed right off...one question, how come a good majority pf these type of OCARE bussed in Union critters are so overweight?
Obvious they have been feeding at the public health trough far too long in my opinion.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
bt....I'm affraid we are going to see.......
August 30, 2009 - 17:40 ET by BEGRUNTmore and more "purple shirt" (read SEIU) thugs showing up at these meetings. One of them, I predict, will get out of hand, and in someones face, and the fight will be on. The "purple shirt brigade".....is to provoke and intimidate...and when it happens, it will be blamed on the innocent party, some poor schlub trying to get his view heard.
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
BG--
August 30, 2009 - 17:55 ET by Kat Outta the BagThe "purple shirt brigade".....is to provoke and intimidate...and when it happens, it will be blamed on the innocent party, some poor schlub trying to get his view heard.
Ah, yes...the liberal victim game. Ann Coulter is so right about them.
thugocracy
August 30, 2009 - 16:47 ET by WesenWas that a "thank you" and "your welcome" as he passed the podium?
The Cops in Manchester are being used as thugs by the Democrats. Let's see if they receive additional funds this year.
Wesen... LOL...I thought
August 30, 2009 - 16:50 ET by bigtimerWesen...
LOL...I thought I caught that as well.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
the rest of the meeting
August 30, 2009 - 17:14 ET by katainkentin case anyone wants to see it. If you'll notice - everyone in the front row has "I'm a healthcare voter" shirt or emblem.
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"Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller" Barack Obama (Dr. In Chief)
How much?
August 30, 2009 - 17:57 ET by bknownstI would like to know how much of our tax money is being spent by the Demo-Communist party to bus in people with no voting rights to attend these town hall meetings and keep out registered voters.
I live in New Hamshire and know for a fact most of those people Obama spoke to in Portsmouth were paid union thugs brought in from Massachussetts. It appears the same thing happened at this meeting in Manchester. These people can't vote in NH but prevent people who can from having a voice and we PAY THEM TO DO IT?
Where did our rights as Americans go?
TEA PARTY NH
August 30, 2009 - 17:56 ET by NewHampshireShe wouldn't let the Mayor in either.... All videos here.
http://www.nhteapart...
NH... IN that first video
August 30, 2009 - 18:11 ET by bigtimerNH...
IN that first video the people dressed as death protesting outside are ones to talk about SCARE TACTICs...good grief!
Plus of course she isn't going to let in the Mayor who is going to run against her precious rear...she can't have that now can she?
Thanks for the info.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
I suppose I'm missing
August 30, 2009 - 18:33 ET by balboaI suppose I'm missing something, but it seems to me that this guy wouldn't stop interrupting, so they finally threw him out.
Hm. And didn't John McCain
August 30, 2009 - 18:37 ET by QueenMumHm. And didn't John McCain just recently have a Code Pink chick booted from one of his townhall meetings for not being willing to stop interrupting? Fox showed the video.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
Did he? If so, then I have
August 30, 2009 - 18:38 ET by balboaDid he? If so, then I have no problem with it.
→ Me neither
August 30, 2009 - 18:43 ET by Cool ArrowBut this guy who got booted was a member of Code Blue.
We will Barry you! - Russian prophecy
What is Code Blue?
August 30, 2009 - 18:46 ET by balboaWhat is Code Blue?
→ Code Blue
August 30, 2009 - 19:08 ET by Cool ArrowCode Blue is an intercom alert of the Hospital PA system requesting emergency resuscitation report to a patient who's stopped breathing.
Sort of like what's happening to Obama's Health Care Plan.
We will Barry you! - Russian prophecy
He looks more like a member
August 30, 2009 - 19:51 ET by balboaHe looks more like a member of Code Blueberry Pie.
→ Maybe he's earned it
August 30, 2009 - 20:07 ET by Cool ArrowI know I've been years erecting a similar toolshed.
We will Barry you! - Russian prophecy
Yeah, but the SEIU thugs
August 30, 2009 - 21:14 ET by fitzfongYeah, but the SEIU thugs sitting around him are the picture of proper diet and exercise.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
Here's the video, balboa.
August 30, 2009 - 18:50 ET by QueenMumHere's the video, balboa. The pertinent portion starts at about 2:45.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
Balboa and Queenmom The
August 30, 2009 - 19:00 ET by LiberalliesBalboa and Queenmom
The real question is....
How much of an interrupter was this US Congresswoman when she was a regular town-hall protester against Jeb Bradley?
did she ever get booted for her interruptions and unhinged behavior?
I could carless what McCain did, what I care is how was the Congresswoman treated when she interrupted and how much did she interrupt. I smell complete and utter hypocrisy by a Democrat, no surprise.
fut... Hypocrisy is
August 30, 2009 - 19:05 ET by bigtimerfut...
Hypocrisy is something the left can't spell, let alone understand the definition of ...even if they looked it up and they saw their own reflections staring back at them.
Of course this is intentional...but what the heck, it matters not.
Agenda rules.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
Liberallies
August 30, 2009 - 19:06 ET by well99Cool saves me the trouble of looking it up.Guess there are two standards.The left are allowed to be hypocrites.Ask them.
Liberallies: Please
August 30, 2009 - 19:16 ET by QueenMumLiberallies: Please clarify:
"How much of an interrupter was this US Congresswoman when she was a regular town-hall protester against Jeb Bradley?
did she ever get booted for her interruptions and unhinged behavior?"
Is this a rhetorical question? If not, can you please briefly fill me in on the details. Thank you.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
the details
August 30, 2009 - 19:23 ET by katainkentare in the above article.
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"Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller" Barack Obama (Dr. In Chief)
Well, my face is red. Thank
August 30, 2009 - 22:08 ET by QueenMumWell, my face is red. Thank you, kata.
(Note to self: Read the entire article before commenting.)
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
this is true
August 30, 2009 - 18:53 ET by katainkenthe did offer to answer a question if she would just stop yelling/interrupting.
That he did. Obama's a
August 30, 2009 - 18:59 ET by bigtimerThat he did.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
OMG!
August 30, 2009 - 18:59 ET by candanceA Republican did something! That means conservatives are instantly disqualified from complaining about it!
I don't give a flying fart what John McCain did. It something is wrong then it's wrong on both sides.
TheDailyKos loves it
August 30, 2009 - 19:00 ET by katainkentJohn McCain kicks blind latina woman out of a town hall. Talk about making hay.
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"Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller" Barack Obama (Dr. In Chief)
Just to clarify, a clip of
August 30, 2009 - 19:06 ET by QueenMumJust to clarify, a clip of the video I linked was also shown on Fox. The person who was thrown out of that meeting was wearing full Code Pink regalia. Laura Ingraham specifically commented on that. Is this the same town hall, kata?
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
I'd say yes.
August 30, 2009 - 19:23 ET by katainkentI won't link the dailykos. They don't need my help getting traffic. Marie Ramirez (a latina) - decked out completely in pink including a visor holding her guide cane while being escorted out? I'd say yes.
___________________________________________
"Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller" Barack Obama (Dr. In Chief)
Thanks, kata. I wouldn't
August 30, 2009 - 19:45 ET by QueenMumThanks, kata. I wouldn't click on a DailyKos link anyway. :)
I don't care if someone is deaf, dumb, or blind. It's no excuse for being disruptive. Of course if you're Latino, that's a whole 'nother story. ;)
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
Fair enough,
August 30, 2009 - 19:02 ET by QueenMumFair enough, candance.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
Candance, WELL
August 30, 2009 - 19:02 ET by LiberalliesCandance,
WELL SAID!!!!!!
I am tired of BOTH Sides justifying behavior because the other side did it or did not do it. If it is wrong, it is wrong.
balboa
August 30, 2009 - 18:50 ET by well99Shouldnt he have been shot?Wow he spoke in a twenty second period.He brought up about her bringing in plants.Oh noes.Give me a break.
well99, if the security said
August 30, 2009 - 19:38 ET by balboawell99, if the security said "You were warned," perhaps they had already told him if he continued to interrupt, he'd be thrown out.
I guess we'll need a definition of
August 30, 2009 - 19:41 ET by katainkent"acting crazy". I hope the gentlemen seeks advice from an attorney to see.
___________________________________________
"Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller" Barack Obama (Dr. In Chief)
balboa
August 30, 2009 - 19:48 ET by well99We dont know.I am going by the video until something is brought forward.Until then you can assume anything doesnt make it right.
Frankly, I see no problem
August 30, 2009 - 19:54 ET by balboaFrankly, I see no problem with throwing him out. If you can't act civil, there's the door.
balboa
August 30, 2009 - 20:32 ET by well99Of course you dont.He brought up that she had organized committees come there in the morning.How dare he bring it up.He was maybe loud but not screaming so what.It isnt like they are in little cafe.Oh maybe it was all the swear words he used.Opps he didnt swear.Maybe it was for addressing her as congresswomen.That is so uncivilized.He did ask if she was even from NH.Oh know.He should be flogged.
Quit getting all hysterical
August 30, 2009 - 21:31 ET by balboaQuit getting all hysterical on me. He was rude, yelling and interrupting. I don't have a problem with him being thrown out. That's all.
Balboa, I am glad that
August 30, 2009 - 21:37 ET by LiberalliesBalboa,
I am glad that the Founding Fathers did not think or believe like you. Most of them would be thrown out of the townhall meetings today. John Adams, Samuel Adams, etc, etc, etc were quite rude, yelled and interrupted each other while they debated the liberties that we enjoy today. You should learn about the great political anamosity between John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, many a times getting to yells and screams, but the two died being the best of friends. Incidently, the both died on the same 4th of July, 50 years after the signing of the Decleration of Independence, which by the way was declared after a great amount of rudness and yelling between the 13 delegations that represented the 13 Colonies. Learn some history, please.
The problem with America today is that most people are clueless about American history. They have been purposedly been kept ignorant or made ashamed of the Great American history. I am a Venezuelan, and sad to say, that I know much more American history than most USA born citizens.
I doubt you have the same
August 30, 2009 - 21:46 ET by balboaI doubt you have the same feelings for anyone from Code Pink.
And I don't need a history lesson from you.
Apparently, you do. "I
August 30, 2009 - 21:48 ET by fitzfongApparently, you do.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
Balboa, Don't assume so
August 30, 2009 - 21:56 ET by LiberalliesBalboa,
Don't assume so much. I have zero problem with anyone heckling politicians, Right or Left. So, if the looney toons at Code Pink want to hackle and interrupt a politicians they should be allowed to do so.
And you desperately need a history lesson from someone. I just gave you a little short one. I'll be glad to educate you some more, it might just change you from the lukewarm, mediocre Liberal that you are who loves to excuse the media and the wacky behavior from the left.
By the way, funny how you do not find it hypocritical that this Congresswoman used to be a hackler and an interrupter long before she was elected to our Congress. Today, she condemned the same type of behavior she engaged in. I don't know in your amoral book, but in my moral book, this is known as huge, incredible and pathetic hypocrisy.
you are as clueless as always.
balboa
August 30, 2009 - 22:26 ET by well99Wow bal.Typical left wing response.If someone brings up facts respond that they must be "hysterical".Dont let the facts get in your way.Then again you never have.He had to be rude.He brought up about her bringing plants.He even thanked her when he left.Wow really rude of him.
well99, I'm talking about
August 31, 2009 - 10:36 ET by balboawell99, I'm talking about this:
Oh maybe it was all the swear words he used.Opps he didnt swear.Maybe it was for addressing her as congresswomen.That is so uncivilized.He did ask if she was even from NH.Oh know.He should be flogged.
I never claimed any of this, you just threw it in there. I have no problem with facts.
balboa
August 31, 2009 - 12:08 ET by well99"Oh maybe it was all the swear words he used.Opps he didnt swear.Maybe it was for addressing her as congresswomen.That is so uncivilized.He did ask if she was even from NH.Oh know.He should be flogged."
I didnt say you did.I was trying to point out that he wasnt rude.He wasnt screaming either.Yes I used a sledge hammer instead of a hammer to make the point.Also I was wrong about asking her if she was from NH.As Queen Mum pointed out he was talking to someone else.I said I was wrong about that.
Forgive the interruption,
August 30, 2009 - 22:06 ET by QueenMumForgive the interruption, well99. But I think the gentleman was addressing another person in the audience who was shouting at him, not the congresswoman, when he asked if that person was from NH. Just want to be accurate.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
Queen Mum
August 30, 2009 - 22:29 ET by well99You are correct.I was wrong.
You know well99, upon
August 31, 2009 - 10:18 ET by QueenMumYou know well99, upon further review of the video it certainly appears that the retired cop was being harrassed by one of the purple shirts in the front row. Could have been going on for a while. I can see that the guy could have been trying to hold his temper. IMO, the guy in the purple shirt should have been ejected as well.
So your minor error turned out to be helpful in that regard. Thank you.
I don't know what can be done to fix the problem which arises when one party or another is holding a townhall and the deck is stacked in their favor. But I know it goes on all the time, even on the local level.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
Queen Mum
August 31, 2009 - 12:52 ET by well99I dont see a fix myself.It wont happen in our society.At least not on issues this political.It would be nice if we could have intelligent discussion on issues that effect us but the speaker needs to get everyone involved not just supporters.Doesnt matter about the party or issue.
It's the stickers boys and girls. Look at the stickers.
August 30, 2009 - 19:13 ET by JWFI want my town hall to go smooth. Nobody asks me any nasty surprise questions.
I pass out stickers supporting my pet congressional cause. Stickers people put on their chest.
I come in. There is a sea of people. Who do I call? Hmmmmm.
You. You with the sticker on your chest. Got a question?
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
JWF......LOL!!
August 30, 2009 - 19:19 ET by BEGRUNTas I said in an earlier post....the "purple shirt brigade" has been mobilized.
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
Hey. Wonder what would
August 30, 2009 - 20:04 ET by QueenMumHey. Wonder what would happen if the dissenters didn't show up or just stayed outside and protested? Or didn't say anything? These elected representatives know by now what they're in for at these town halls. What if it was just a big circle jerk? What if the SEIU thugs had no one to intimidate? Just something to think about.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
What? Just protest
August 30, 2009 - 20:33 ET by Scuba DudeWhat? Just protest outside and NOT have your congress critter answer your concerns? The MSM would be all over that spinning it for Obama and the Lefties. See!!!! Health Care is popular!!!! All attending the Town Halls approve!!!!!
And not going just shows we can be intimidated. Not very smart.
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
~Thinking......hmmmm
August 30, 2009 - 20:40 ET by choselife3xWhat if the dissenters didn't show up......
Liberal media: See, the disinformation campaign has failed! The people are for nationalized health care..hip hip hooray!
Brilliant idea. Freakin' genius. Did you work on McCain's campaign?
Or didn't say anything?
Yes, do what Obama says. Bark for the master, Queenie. Good doggie, now sit.
What if the SEIU thugs had no one to intimidate?
Run and hide so they won't intimidate us. This just gets better and better. Think harder, QM. Much harder.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
cl3: You have a tendency to
August 30, 2009 - 21:27 ET by QueenMumcl3: You have a tendency to take things way too seriously. Are you incapable of using your imagination?
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
®
August 30, 2009 - 21:36 ET by Free StinkerAre you incapable of using your imagination?
Translation: Why are you shreding my feeble arguements?
~I just love
August 30, 2009 - 21:41 ET by choselife3xHow inadvertently funny you are.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
Well, since you're the one
August 30, 2009 - 21:46 ET by fitzfongWell, since you're the one with the vivid imagination, what do you think would happen? And why would it matter?
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
~What would happen
August 30, 2009 - 22:59 ET by choselife3xWonder what would happen if the dissenters didn't show up
This is Baghdad Bob, reporting from Podunkville, USA. The disinformation campaign appears to have finally died out. All the citizens who came out to the meeting tonight were unanimously for the health care bill. I talked to many people, and they were all excited about the prospect of universal health coverage. It's a new day, Katie. Back to you in the studio.
or just
stayed outside and protested?
We're here, live, in the townhall meeting tonight. One after another, people are coming forward with their stories of denied coverage and begging for Hope and Change. The 'death panels' smear has finally been laid to rest. Back to you, Charlie.
Or didn't say anything?
There were no opposing voices in the crowd tonight. It looks like people understand the bill now and they're all for it. The vote will be made tomorrow and there is every expectation that it will pass unopposed. Back to you, Brian.
What if it was just a big circle jerk?
What does your 50th high school reunion have to do with this subject? (no imagination, indeed)
What if the SEIU thugs had no
one to intimidate?
Mission accomplished. Intimidation successful. Hand your freedom and Constitutional rights to the armed guard on your left for proper disposal.
Just something to think about.
Right. Think again.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
Simple, cl3x:
August 30, 2009 - 23:09 ET by Jer"What if it was just a big circle jerk?
What does your 50th high school reunion have to do with this subject? (no imagination, indeed)"
Simple, cl3x: The entire class is now blind and worried about a 'lifestyle' denial of coverage.
Jer
Ha, ha! Jer, can't deny you
August 31, 2009 - 10:09 ET by QueenMumHa, ha! Jer, can't deny you have an imagination. But must argue your timeline. You're off by a few years. But what's a few years once a person's over 50 or so. As you suggest - just a drain on the health care system. And for the record, cataract surgery has pretty much eliminated a primary cause of blindness in older adults. I thought you'd know that the "you'll go blind" thing was just a myth perpetuated by up-tight parents and religious fanatics.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
QM...
August 31, 2009 - 12:19 ET by JerI'm sure I'm much closer to my 50th reunion than you. And (whew!) thanks for the info about the "blindness" thing. My eyesight had been deteriorating a little bit lately, and I was afraid the warnings...well, I won't go into it. Use your imagination.
Jer
Thanks, Jer. I'll just take
August 31, 2009 - 13:15 ET by QueenMumThanks, Jer. I'll just take your word for it.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
fitz: I guess I'm thinking
August 31, 2009 - 10:32 ET by QueenMumfitz: I guess I'm thinking short-term strategy. The left is using these protests to their advantage. Just look at all the articles on this site relating to how the protesters and Tea Parties are being portrayed. The portrayal is of course inaccurate, at the least. But the Kool-Aid drinkers believe it. I think that as long as Dems like this congresswoman can point to these outbursts as desperate means to get attention, they have the ear of Obama supporters. More attention needs to be payed to the union thugs and other outsiders who are showing up at these meetings.
I don't know what the answer is. I certainly don't really believe that the fight should be abandoned. I just think there needs to be a new strategy at this point in time. In fact, I think the Tea Parties are likely more effective than townhall protests. That is, if the MsM would pay attention.
I'll confess to having been off the reservation most of the weekend. I was just feeling a bit contrary. My apologies to any fellow N.B. who might have been offended by anything I had to say. Most was an honest attempt to play devil's advocate. But some turned out to be just plain nonsense. I have "recalibrated" my message and am beginning to feel like my self again. Sometimes senior moments tend to last a bit longer than just a moment. :)
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
fitz: I guess I'm thinking
August 31, 2009 - 11:15 ET by fitzfongfitz: I guess I'm thinking short-term strategy. The left is using these protests to their advantage. Just look at all the articles on this site relating to how the protesters and Tea Parties are being portrayed. The portrayal is of course inaccurate, at the least. But the Kool-Aid drinkers believe it. I think that as long as Dems like this congresswoman can point to these outbursts as desperate means to get attention, they have the ear of Obama supporters. More attention needs to be payed to the union thugs and other outsiders who are showing up at these meetings.
QM: With all due respect, you're falling into a common trap here. Allowing the left wing media to regulate your behavior because you are afraid of how you will be portrayed is pointless. The media has a template, a narrative to frame...and it is always to promote liberalism. If genuinely worried constituents were deterred by cynical accusations of "racism", "astroturfing", etc., the town hall meetings would amount to DNC lectures and the media would frame the issue around a phony claim of almost universal "concensus" in favor of this garbage. Tell me, QM, what good did being "better than they are" do in 2008? The left ran their hostile, intimidating, thuggish agitators to harass Republicans at every corner, and the media portrayed it as righteous if it was discussed at all. Meanwhile, we nominated an ideologically incoherent "moderate" former POW war hero who was obsessive in "crossing the aisle" at all costs...and even before he selected Sarah Palin as his running mate (when he was considering Joe Lieberman and Tom Ridge, for God's sake), he was getting viciously attacked by the very people he spent his career trying to appease...Chris Matthews, Harry Smith, Charlie Gibson, Brian Williams, etc. I'm so sick and tired of this attitude that we, as Republicans, must be seen to be better, more refined than Democrats are...we get no credit nor mileage from that posturing. But you may be on to something. I think we defend ourselves against media attacks by regulating our behavior...what we should be doing is going on the offensive and exploiting the real thuggery of the SEIU goons. Lather, rinse, repeat.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
You make some good points,
August 31, 2009 - 13:13 ET by QueenMumYou make some good points, fitz. I don't think it mattered who the Repubs ran in 2008. And I can't blame anyone but the American people for being so short-sighted as to vote-in a virtually unknown entity for the sake of trying to salve their spirits over a war that they were no longer willing to continue. Not to mention that the troubled economy turned out to be a bonus for the Dems.
I see nothing wrong with peaceful protest. That way we don't sacrifice principle for power. It seems anger has overtaken the dialogue. The anger is righteous. But it must be ordered such that the left has nothing left to counter with. IMO, going toe-to-toe with the SEIU and such in public meetings is counterproductive. More investigative journalism is needed to out these thugs and the Congressmen who support them. And I think this is starting to happen.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
QM: It took some courageous
August 31, 2009 - 14:53 ET by fitzfongQM: It took some courageous people to ride busses in the 1960s to face up to some racist bullies down south. The town hall protestor who stands his ground against the threats and intimidation of the SEIU goons is every bit as courageous. Union thugs have been able to mask their violence and intimidation with flattering media coverage and deceptive euphemisms (e.g. claiming to represent "hard workers" or "working families") because people fear character assassination by the goon-supporting media...hello, Joe the Plumber...and being victimized by Union violence. The more that the Union threats succeed unchallenged, the more that tactic works and the more that they advance their agenda at our expense. The time for worrying about perceived "counterproductivity" due to the framing biases of the media is over. If the bullies are to be defeated, they need to be challenged...proudly and often. If they lack the self-control to curb their violent tendencies, they weaken their position because their thuggery is there for all to see and speaks for itself. I applaud courageous people like this cop who go into the lion's den and stand their ground.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
So is what you're saying
August 31, 2009 - 15:12 ET by QueenMumSo is what you're saying fitz is that the right needs to be prepared to get more "physical", so to speak?
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
~Not "physical"
August 31, 2009 - 19:25 ET by choselife3xWe must simply not back down. We all have a right to speak our minds on this issue, and we should keep speaking it. The Left will hang themselves (so to speak) because they will turn violent when they know they're losing. Look at how much they've hurt themselves so far, being caught on tape hitting people. The leadership of the party isn't helping at all with the "un-American, Astrotrufers, mob, teabaggers" meme. They'll go down in flames of their own setting if we just stand our ground and get it all on tape. Let the people see the monster behind the mask.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
you know, chose
August 31, 2009 - 20:44 ET by candanceThe land owners in old Russia had a lot of the same ideas. Let's turn over a little more land, a little more wealth, if we don't get out of line they won't persecute us.
Progressives cannot help themselves. It always happens.
The Boston Tea Party was not the first protest.
August 31, 2009 - 20:20 ET by JWFIt was done after a progression of much milder events.
Jan - Massive spending bills - we call and write and fax and are ignored.
April - Tea party protests - We are insulted and scoffed at and ignored.
August - Town Hall protests - We are lied about, insulted and ignored.
You seeing a trend here? It would naturally follow that there may be an escalation. So far there has not.
People need their government to listen to them. They are not. The question is, can people hold out until the election?
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
JWF
August 31, 2009 - 20:23 ET by Free StinkerYou forgot July. - MSM further Mocks Tea Parties. B.S. Astroturfing allegations begin.
Morristown, NJ had a repeat of the April 15 Tea Party on Jult 4th, with equal attendance. 1,500+
"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media." -- Lowell Ponte
Free: I was at Motown on the square 7-4
August 31, 2009 - 20:29 ET by SickofLibsI'd say 1,500 is a very low estimate - the organizers claimed 4,000 in and out over the day.
SoL
August 31, 2009 - 20:32 ET by Free StinkerCould be, over the course of the day.
I use that number because it's certain based on number of distruibuted items. Certain booths I spoke to in April had printed up 1,500 flyers, and gave away every single one . . .
I'll be at the Labor day one, PM me if you're going. We should have a Newsbusters group there. :-)
Free:
August 31, 2009 - 20:38 ET by SickofLibs70% chance I'm going Labor Day - I will PM you if I'm going. I'd like to meet Bob Grant, and the awesome Charles Payne will be there again.
Payne was great, wasn't he?
August 31, 2009 - 20:43 ET by Free StinkerPayne was great, wasn't he?
in all respect
August 31, 2009 - 20:39 ET by candanceI really think you're on the wrong track here. Protestors have been called angry whack jobs ever since the first big rally April 15. The rumors and whispers about some racist conservie shooting Obama, those have been floating around since January. And though there was some loud booing at town halls, there was no violence until the union thugs show up.
The point is that we will never win by their rules. The very fact that you dislike Obama means you are inherently racist and angry. Speak out against anything they do, no matter how politely, and you'll be be branded a Klan member.
None of us want violence. None of us should initiate violence. But we will gain nothing from backing down.
It's like the nerdy kid in school who says, if I do the cool kids' homework and let them walk all over me, maybe they will be my friend. It never works.
In other words . . .
August 31, 2009 - 20:46 ET by Free StinkerCandance: 1
queenmum: 0
I'm saying that the right
August 31, 2009 - 21:37 ET by fitzfongI'm saying that the right needs to be prepared to stand up to bullies. In case you haven't noticed, it's the SEIU thugs on the left who've been setting upon people at and outside town hall meetings, it's the left that sent Black Panthers with billy clubs out in front of polling stations, it's the left that've been rushing the stages to physically attack conservative speakers...and if we continue to tolerate the implied (and explicit) threats, if we continue to allow the thugs on the left to intimidate protestors, if we continue to worry how propagandists in the media portray displays of civil disobedience, we will get rolled. Unlike the left, the right does not initiate violence. But if citizens on the right are physically threatened or put in harm's way by these union knuckle draggers, they have every right to defend themselves.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
What if the SEIU thugs had
August 30, 2009 - 21:24 ET by fitzfongWhat if the SEIU thugs had no one to intimidate?
They'd move along trying to find the next set of Americans to shake down/intimidate. Because that's what SEIU thugs do.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
Fitz....it is ......
August 30, 2009 - 21:52 ET by BEGRUNTwhat they do best!! Purple thugs, SEIU thugs.....they're all still THUGS!!! And we need to stand up to it, and stop it!!!!
Edit: If we hide we loose, if we run we loose.........somewhere a line needs to be drawn!!
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
Modern cops like to take
August 30, 2009 - 22:33 ET by RR GOPModern cops like to take care of Conservatives post haste because they know they fundamentally believe in law and order so probably will go peacefully.
With the Communists they hate going against them because they're a real pain in the a$$ with those human chains, violence, etc. and the police have to be careful with how they handle them or they'll be crucified by city hall, the state capital, the Federal government and the MSM.
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
August 31, 2009 - 09:22 ET by jessieHThis is why we need to keep Gitmo open. So we have a place to put all of the corrupt polititians. I wouldn't mind if they waterboarded every last one of them.
Good for her!
August 31, 2009 - 10:40 ET by kengieNo body is above the law, just ask Richard Nixon! The cop was removed from the forum because he continually interrupted Shea-Porter and others in Manchester. We, as a nation, must NOT enable these children for these un-patriotic acts! We need to explain to them what we need is good dialog.
We, as a nation, must NOT
August 31, 2009 - 11:19 ET by Dan The Man 2We, as a nation, must NOT enable these children for these un-patriotic acts! We need to explain to them what we need is good dialog.
Yes we tell them to wear identifiers sos we will know them and later on we can take inventory of their wealth which obviously was unjustly earned off the backs of the workers. We can still later conficate their ill gotten gains and ship them off to re-education camps. Yes glorious is it not komrade kengie?
Children wil be children!!
August 31, 2009 - 12:09 ET by kengieMr Komrade to you...HA!!!
→ Cute
August 31, 2009 - 14:56 ET by Cool ArrowLiberals don't often come right out and admit their political leanings.
Thanks for your honesty. I do have some respect for you after all.
We will Barry you! - Russian prophecy
Kegger Party?
August 31, 2009 - 12:29 ET by BigMike252Another teachable moment anyone? Does this mean we will have another Kegger Party at the White House?
Carl got to ask his
August 31, 2009 - 22:28 ET by NewHampshireCarl got to ask his question tonight when Porter's opponent, the Mayor of Manchester, had an open town hall.
See video here:
http://www.nhteapart...