On Sunday's "Meet the Press," a bit of a squabble happened when panelists Dick Armey and Rachel Maddow bickered over whether or not MoveOn.org once ran an ad equating former President George W. Bush to Adolf Hitler.
Regardless of who was right, someone should instruct Maddow as to the difference between being a guest and a host, for her continual interruptions when Armey was speaking, though quite commonplace for an MSNBC anchor, were downright rude.
Just watch what happened when host David Gregory asked the very first question directed at Armey (video embedded below the fold with partial transcript, relevant section at 3:25):
DAVID GREGORY: Congressman Armey, FreedomWorks, your organization, advocacy organization getting together a lot of folks, coordinating a lot of the efforts to get people out for the protests. Do you bear some responsibility for the tone of the debate?
FMR. REP. DICK ARMEY (R-TX): Not, not whatsoever. Not when you see the kind of extreme thing you just saw, the-you know, I had my differences with President Bush, George W. Bush, there's no doubt about it. They were well aware of that. But when moveon.org ran those ads that compared President Bush with, with Adolf Hitler, I thought it was despicable.
MS. RACHEL MADDOW: They never did that.
REP. ARMEY: They did do it. I'll show you the ad.
MS. MADDOW: They didn't do that. They never ran an ad that compared...
REP. ARMEY: All right. Anyway. All right.
MS. MADDOW: MoveOn never ran an ad that compared Bush to Hitler.
REP. ARMEY: All right.
MR. GREGORY: Well, hold on, hold on. Finish your thought and then...
REP. ARMEY: What, what, what, you're going to get your chance to talk. Well, I, I, I just looked at the moveon.org ad again this morning, and it, it was a horrible thing. You know, it's horrible to see this.
I guess Maddow, working for MSNBC, doesn't understand that when a "Meet the Press" host asks a guest a question, the other guests are supposed to wait until that person finishes answering BEFORE they respond.
Regardless, what Armey was referring to was the following:
As FoxNews.com reported on January 6, 2004:
What MoveOn.org wanted was for people to submit 30-second ads that were critical of President Bush, but what the liberal-leaning organization got was a controversy over one entry that compared Bush to Adolf Hitler (search ).
The ad in question used a tape recording of the Nazi leader speaking while it showed images of Hitler and German military prowess during World War II. At the end of the ad, a photo of Bush raising his hand to take the oath of office is seen. [...]
MoveOn.org spokesman Trevor Fitzgibbon said, "we had no idea the Hitler thing even existed."
The group, which claims to have a network of about 2 million online activists, said that the ad comparing Bush to Hitler was one of the 1,512 submissions from the general public submitted as part of a campaign called Bushin30seconds.com.
MoveOn.org claims the ad was not submitted by an organization and was ultimately removed from the Web site. MoveOn.org noted that the "Hitler" comparison was not among the 15 finalists that are now viewable on the Web.
As such, this disgusting piece was indeed displayed at MoveOn's website for an undetermined period of time, but never ran on television.
Who's right: Maddow or Armey?
Regardless of the answer, if NBC chooses to have Maddow on again, it would be nice if she was told that Gregory is the host and moderator, and that it isn't appropriate for her to interrupt and question guests as if it was her show.
Frankly, the segment was practically unwatchable as a result of her rude behavior towards Armey.
If NBC wants "MTP" to be a tag-team, they should officially announce it so that those interested in a reasonable format don't have to waste anymore of their time.
As a post-facto aside, I do feel the way this discussion was framed by Gregory was totally inappropriate. Here was Gregory's first question to Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Ok.):
All right. But let's talk about the tone of the debate. There have been death threats against members of Congress, there are Nazi references to members of Congress and to the president. Here are some of the images. The president being called a Nazi, his reform effort being called Nazi-like, referring to Nazi Germany, members of Congress being called the same. And then there was this image this week outside of Portsmouth, New Hampshire, a town hall event that the president had, this man with a gun strapped to his leg held that sign, "It is time to water the tree of liberty." It was a reference to that famous Thomas Jefferson quote, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." That has become a motto for violence against the government. Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, had that very quote on his shirt the day of the bombing of the Murrah building when 168 people were killed.
Four references to Nazis, and one to Timothy McVeigh? Is that all Gregory and the producers see at these town hall meetings?
Nice way to deflect from the real meaning of what's happening at these gatherings, wouldn't you agree?
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Why would they bring her on
August 17, 2009 - 09:26 ET by ricklailWhy would they bring her on Meet the Depressed? She is a big joke.
Semper suprene nitens
OBAMACARE: If it ain't good enough for my Congressman then it ain't good enough for me.
They see Maddow as a rising star
August 17, 2009 - 09:34 ET by GalvanicDespite her ratings, I think NBC/GE is grooming Maddow for bigger and better things. Once her show completely collapses, I can see her being move from MSNBC to Big NBC. Professionally, she's the equivalent of Chris Matthews, whom NBC must regard as one of its superstars for all the TV time he gets. (She's a tougher man than Matthews, however.)
Her interruptions of Armey aren't surprising; she's not used to being on TV with people who express opinions directly opposed to hers.
The snarky Maddow merely regurgitates DNC and WH talking points, and agrees with her fellow-traveller guests.
It wasn't Rachel's
August 17, 2009 - 10:25 ET by motherbeltIt wasn't Rachel's show???
She thinks that every show she's on is her show!
Timid Republicans
August 17, 2009 - 09:43 ET by allanfArmey seemed to handle himself reasonably well. But once you accept the premise of Gregory's question you lose.
Why can't a Republican say "David, your question and the images you choose to show, display a deep and profound bias. Shame on you. There are good people out there fighting for what they believe in."
Some GOP chickenhearts
August 17, 2009 - 10:04 ET by mattmSome GOP chickenhearts still buy the old lie "never argue with anyone who buys ink by the barrel." The GOP has, for some inexplicable reason, still not figured out that their "friends on the other side..." are not their friends at all.
Best Response is Ridicule
August 17, 2009 - 10:51 ET by allanfThe best response to Gregory and Maddow is ridicule. Something like,
The left is great a deflecting discussion through trojan horses. You cannot win the debate if you don't get to the question.
but...
August 17, 2009 - 12:15 ET by AJBWhen they get to the question, they never answer it directly.
Readied for Primetime?
August 17, 2009 - 10:32 ET by slickwillie2001It's quite possible they may be trying to clean her up for network primetime. In HR lingo Maddow is a 'two-fer', in an area where the old networks are hypocritically deficient, not that I care.
So let me get this straight.
August 17, 2009 - 09:40 ET by ninerdogSo let me get this straight. Moveon is not responsible for what is on there blog?
only if...
August 17, 2009 - 12:16 ET by AJBOnly if they're running something conservative. If they are liberal, then no. No responsibility whatever.
Okay, I know who Dick Armey
August 17, 2009 - 09:44 ET by BKeyserOkay, I know who Dick Armey is, but who's the host of Meet the (what do they call themselves?) Press? And which one is Maddow and which one is Gregory?
Let me help you out
August 17, 2009 - 10:12 ET by shades2Maddow is the boyish girl, and Gregory is the girlish boy.
Got it ?
>>>shades
August 17, 2009 - 10:44 ET by BKeyserI think so. Just to clarify, Maddow's the dark-haired one sportin' the comb-over, right?
Edit
August 17, 2009 - 20:26 ET by the struggler...Gregory is monkey-boy.
Roll the video
August 17, 2009 - 09:51 ET by ptsonMaddow was wrong. The video speaks for itself. I got confused and thought you were refering to the photo-shopped picture of Bush waving with Hitler behind him doing a Nazi salute or maybe the wanted DEAD or ALIVE poster for "DUBYA" or maybe the book and movie about a plot to kill the president. Guess it was "just" a little video. Armey was correct but I hope he is not holding his breath, waiting for an apology. In 2009 America, the likes of Rosie and Maddow can lie, slander, be rude and disgusting and need not apologize. We should just ignore them. Oh! Look at the ratings, we are doing just that.
Financial Times Weasels
August 17, 2009 - 09:54 ET by entSpeaking of Dick Armey, have you seen the Financial Times "news" report about Armey and the tea parties?
http://www.ft.com/cm...
Read the two-paragraph introduction, then compare that to the quotes of what Armey actually said later in the article. Very misleading, to put it charitably.
Not sure I understand
August 17, 2009 - 09:59 ET by general companyWhat you are refering too, care to elaborate?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I think what ent means is
August 17, 2009 - 10:34 ET by motherbeltI think what ent means is that in the first two paragraphs they seem to be trying portray Armey as an admirer of Alinsky and his ideology (I'm not sure I agree with that).
What he acutally says, though, is that Alinsky had good tactics but the wrong message.
Very good MB
August 17, 2009 - 10:46 ET by general companyI thought they were consistent? Was thinking I missed something?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Sterling: "Bravo, Rachel
August 17, 2009 - 10:00 ET by bretzysdudeSterling: "Bravo, Rachel Maddow for standing up to Dick Armey! She certainly knows what she's talking about! I LOVE HER! I wish I could salsa dance with her! I hope she makes a baby from what I donated at the sperm bank!"
Just in case he comes over here, I've already said what he would have said anyway.
Song and video perfectly describes him...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-vuqTWGGlA
Wow,
August 17, 2009 - 10:01 ET by general companyHad me fooled. Wonder if he write's off those donations?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
standing down you mean
August 17, 2009 - 10:36 ET by NDanielsonshe sure didn't mention the word TEA BAGGER did she? not this time, genius, why do you suppose that is? im sure frank is always looking for a new dance partner. and he may have a basement to rent out...
tea bagger
August 17, 2009 - 10:51 ET by NDanielsoni didn't know the phrase tea party was in her vocabulary. stood up???
http://www.youtube.c...
It probably was a little
August 17, 2009 - 09:59 ET by balboaIt probably was a little pushy, but Armey's statement was wrong.
How so?
August 17, 2009 - 10:07 ET by general company?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
As I understand it,
August 17, 2009 - 11:02 ET by balboaAs I understand it, moveon.org did not run ads featuring Bush as Hitler. They were on their website, submitted by someone else amongst thousands of others. If anything, they're guilty of not overseeing those submissions adequately enough.
No, they just hosted it
August 17, 2009 - 11:28 ET by CobraManNo, they didn't "run" an ad, they just hosted a video and let the visitors run it themselves. Not that there's much of a difference between the two.
As for guilt: they HOSTED that video, someone HAD to have seen it before they posted it. Those videos don't post themselves, you know. Someone has to CODE the link into their web page. Are you telling me that someone at MoveOn.org didn't view the very link they CODED into their web page? Yea, right, and I have a nice Bridge in Brooklyn that's for sale. I'll let you have it real cheap.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
Cobra, sounds like it was an
August 17, 2009 - 12:51 ET by balboaCobra, sounds like it was an automated system that took the videos and put them on the site.
True, but if it was an embed
August 17, 2009 - 13:02 ET by SickofLibsTrue, but if it was an embed video of child porn, it would have been gone in seconds.
The video was removed, and
August 17, 2009 - 14:00 ET by balboaThe video was removed, and it wasn't even one of the finalists. This is quite different from the statement and implication that moveon.org "ran" the ad, as if they had bought commercial time to show it to millions of people.
They didn't. Maddow was right.
Maddow was wrong
August 17, 2009 - 14:07 ET by CobraManMaddow was wrong, they ran the video on their own web page. Claiming that they didn't run it is like claiming that someone isn't "running" their car in their own garage simply because you don't see it "running" in the neighbor's yard. But, guess what, that car is still running!
Bal, you're playing semantics games. (It wasn't an ad, it was just a video. They didn't run it, they just hosted it.) That an indication that you LOST the argument, just as Maddow has.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
Not semantics; accuracy. Big
August 17, 2009 - 14:57 ET by balboaNot semantics; accuracy. Big difference.
Looks like you're playing
August 17, 2009 - 18:58 ET by bretzysdudeLooks like you're playing semantics with the word "semantics".
Yes, I agree that Armey
August 17, 2009 - 14:14 ET by SickofLibsYes, I agree that Armey mispoke in that "running it" in the traditional definition would mean it was actually broadcast somewhere on television. But the boundaries of what constitutes a 'broadcast' get more blurred everyday. Moveon is not a little pissant personal blog.
And yes, while that spot was not a finalist, it was also not immediately pulled as good taste would have dictated.
But Maddow needs to learn how to behave when she is invited to leave the card table and dine with the adults.
That's not true.
August 17, 2009 - 13:27 ET by CobraManBal, that's not true. You see, those sites have people called WEBMASTERS and they have to authorize every change to a web page as those web pages are RESTRICTED by the servers from being changed without approval. That's called cyber security
SOMEONE had to approve the changes before the change was made. The pages can't make changes themselves. If they DID, if the server allowed pages to add or remove content via a script, any competent hacker could just change the script an allow unauthorized content to be added automatically. Since that hasn't happened, the cyber security restriction MUST have been in place.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
Not sure that's exactly how
August 17, 2009 - 14:02 ET by balboaNot sure that's exactly how it works. I suspect the video was uploaded without anyone actually watching it, and then when it came to their attention what was going on, it was removed.
Doesn't work that way, Bal
August 17, 2009 - 14:17 ET by CobraManIt doesn't work that way, Bal.
First of all, someone had to UPLOAD the video to Moveone's server. That requires MEMBERSHIP with MoveOn (check out their webpage).
Then, someone at MoveOn had to CONVERT that video to the supported format and bitrates. The conversion creates a COPY of the original, so TWO videos existed of the same content on their server.
After that, someone had to CODE THE LINK to that converted video that is, or was, stored on their own server. SOMEONE had to actually write the embed code for that Video, it can't write itself. Someone had to SAVE the changed page to the server. Since those page are READ ONLY, that someone had to AUTHORIZE the server to allow access and save the new page.
To do any of this requires HUMAN INTERACTION. SOMEONE at MoveOn HAD to have known about the content of the video they converted, stored, and coded for display. That someone AUTHORIZED the display of that video.
Stop denying the truth, Bal. MoveOn LIED about how this video was hosted and displayed on their own web site! They're trying to cover their ass, and it seems you're willing to let them get away with it.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
So you just want me to say
August 17, 2009 - 14:22 ET by balboaSo you just want me to say you're right. There's no way you could be wrong. Websites can't update themselves without humans.
Not secure sites.
August 17, 2009 - 14:31 ET by CobraMan"Websites can't update themselves without humans."
Not secured sites. Only unsecured sites can do that, those created by amateurs!. I HIGHLY doubt that Moveon has an unsecured server and websites. Remember, , Moveon is staffed by people who consider themselves as technological experts! How many experts would allow unsecured pages to be hosted on their servers? The answer is NONE.
Here's what you should be admitting: Moveon LIED about this video and how it was allowed to be displayed on THEIR website with THEIR approval. But you'll never do that, will you?
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
I cannot admit that moveon
August 17, 2009 - 14:56 ET by balboaI cannot admit that moveon lied because I don't know that for a fact, and won't do it simply because you say it's true. It's possible, sure. It's also possible that someone barely looked at it and approved it.
Facebook allows you to upload video almost instantaneously.
You'll never admit it.
August 17, 2009 - 15:11 ET by CobraMan"Facebook allows you to upload video almost instantaneously."
Facebook allows the OWNER top post things almost instantaneously, (and thats subject to scrutiny and removal for violating policy) not visitors. Only the OWNER has permission to post things like that, not any visitor. You can no more upload a video to, say, my daughter's page than any one visiting Moveone.org. You need her APPROVAL to do that, just like you need approval from Moveon.org to post anything on THEIR website.
Don't believe me? Try posting a video in any facebook page that you don't own and manage. Tell me how long it takes you to post it. THEN come back and tell me about how facebook allows people to post things without approval.
"I cannot admit that moveon lied"
Bal, you'll NEVER admit that Moveon lied. You don't want to admit it. You keep resorting to this "proof" excuse yet fail to offer any proof that Moveone actually allows videos to be posted on their website without prior approval. You take them at their word. Where's you demand for proof when they make a claim? Apparently no proof is required when any statement by Movon is concerned.
Which makes me wonder, Bal, Are you a member of Moveon.org?
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
Gosh, you caught me. I'm the
August 17, 2009 - 17:55 ET by balboaGosh, you caught me. I'm the president.
Smartass.
August 17, 2009 - 18:59 ET by bretzysdudeSmartass.
And "wondering" if I'm a
August 17, 2009 - 20:27 ET by balboaAnd "wondering" if I'm a member of moveon.org isn't.
BTW, Bal;, what does Facebook have to do with Moveon.org?
August 17, 2009 - 15:23 ET by CobraManBTW, Bal;, what does Facebook have to do with Moveon.org? Facebook is a online COMMUNITY where people can SHARE access to eachother's pages, if they choose. Moveon.org is a PRIVATE origination where people outside the organization can only view the webpage and can't add or remove anything from it.
Comparing a Facebook page to Moveon.org's web site is like comparing a public park to a shopping center. They are not even grossly similar. Buit, hay, where's my proof, right?
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
You claimed that a web site
August 17, 2009 - 16:06 ET by balboaYou claimed that a web site couldn't have a video uploaded to it without all these steps in between that had human interaction: coding, transferring, etc.
facebook is a site that doesn't require all of that.
balboa
August 17, 2009 - 19:35 ET by Noel Sheppardb,
Honestly, do you REALLY THINK MoveOn.org is Facebook?
I've suggested to you in the past that you often debate dishonestly. This is an example.
You want to be taken seriously here, then act serious!
Sheesh. Comparing MoveOn.org to Facebook! ns
Noel, I am not debating
August 17, 2009 - 20:03 ET by balboaNoel,
I am not debating dishonestly. That's a crock.
Is facebook the same as moveon.org? OF COURSE NOT. It was an example. But the assertion that there's no way moveon.org didn't purposefully approve that video submission is not, in any way, known for certain.
COME ON.
Do you not understand what I've been trying to say? YOU DON'T KNOW for sure what moveon.org did or didn't do. That's what I'm saying.
But they DIDN'T "run" any ad with Bush as Hitler. That's a fact. It was on their website, yes. They MAY have known it was there before removing it. They MAY not. But you, and I, don't know.
Bal, I think the next boot tread pattern implanted on your ass
August 17, 2009 - 20:10 ET by R D Helm...will have the initials NS planted squarely in the center.
Bet the next one after that hits your liver. :-)
Piles o' huck there, Bal.
-Dave
Whatever. I was making a
August 17, 2009 - 20:11 ET by balboaWhatever. I was making a valid point. Just because people refuse to try and understand it, I can't help that.
"valid" - minus three
August 17, 2009 - 20:36 ET by SickofLibsLemme guess: AV Club, not Debate Club, right?
Resorting to adjectives, automatic 3 point deduction.
Thats a compliment, Balboa
August 18, 2009 - 11:41 ET by nwahsIf its starting to look like a rout, one of the NB staff will drop a pass interference flag to change the game :)
Do you honestly believe Noel is so dense not to understand you were illustrating that web sites need no human action to post something, and giving an example of well known site that operates as such? I don't. You were routing the locals so an official stepped in :)
Wear it like a medal.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Listen to these Liberals. When Bush was President...
August 17, 2009 - 18:42 ET by jawebster1they said and did the foulest things when it came to denigrating him. Now that he is gone, they deny everything. Remember, everything a Liberal has to say has an expiration date. Jim Webster
Oh, Dick
August 17, 2009 - 10:02 ET by northoneSomeone should have warned Dick Armey that you never, ever, ever debate or cross an aggressive lesbian. It's a no-win situation. Ask the poor student in Africa last week.
Liberty and Tyranny
August 17, 2009 - 10:06 ET by ptsonIt is amazing how fabricated stories become the perceived reality; being repeated and cited by the media until they are believed. Perception only remains reality until the truth, actual reality arrives. That is what is happening at town hall meetings. The created reality of the media is being destroyed by the every day folks. KEEP IT UP! WE THE PEOPLE, will prevail!
When people have to fear the government, that is TYRANNY!
When the government fears the people, that produces LIBERTY!
Did we disband the FBI?
August 17, 2009 - 10:11 ET by SickofLibsWow, all these "death threats" against congressmen and Obama... and not one single arrest or even story anywhere on an ongoing investigation? Did anybody check the Unibomber's cabin?
And Gregory just officially pissed away the whole MTP legacy by having Maddow on as a counter to three congressmen.
When Maddow turned towards Armey, her obvious disdain was dripping like saliva from the multiple jaws of Alien. Plus she is even more hideous in profile, something I had not previously seen, and hope to avoid in the future.
C0-Hosts?
August 17, 2009 - 10:16 ET by racer148Wonder if Gregory read the riot act to Madcow after the show. Kind of odd that she had her own "notes" she was reading from. Can the bias on NBC/BSNBC get any worst?
Some on the right wing is calling Obama a Nazi...that's bad. Calling Bush a Nazi...priceless. If the GOP doesn't win in 2010 this Country is done. Bring on Ron Paul, I'll vote for him next time.
No way. She is MSNBC's
August 17, 2009 - 11:12 ET by buddycNo way. She is MSNBC's future. She is untouchable.
To: Steve Capus, President
August 17, 2009 - 17:13 ET by vstolTo: Steve Capus, President of NBC News and Dick Gregory, moderator of Meet the Press This morning (Sunday, August 16th, 2009), in an attempt to smear Dick Armey and his Freedom Works organization using guilt by association, Rachel Maddow, a NBC News employee lied twice, let me repeat, lied twice, when she said, "If you go to Tea Party Patriots right now, what they've got on their front page... of their web site, the top item, is a video showing the violence at the town hall in Ybor City, in Tampa, Florida, essentially promoting that, as if that was a good thing that happened, that showed what the Health Care Freedom Coalition wants to have done in the health care debate. Freedom Works is part of that coalition. You (Dick Armey) can say that you denounce it, but the organization that you head is part of it." Lie #1: The video at the top of Tea Party Patriots web site is actually a live Channel 13 FOX News report of the August 6th town hall meeting in Tampa. It is a lie that it "is a video showing the violence at the town hall in Ybor City, in Tampa, Florida." The video contained absolutely no violence. The only violence that occurred at that meeting was when union members rushed into the crowd in the lobby in order to close the doors into the meeting room. Lie #2: Building on lie #1, Ms. Maddow continues with her second lie, "...essentially promoting that, as if that was a good thing that happened, that showed what the Health Care Freedom Coalition wants to have done in the health care debate." Even if the video had shown the violence that occurred at the Tampa town hall, there is absolutely nothing at the Tea Party Patriots web site that would indicate in any way that they were "essentially promoting that, as if that was a good thing that happened, that showed what the Health Care Freedom Coalition wants to have done in the health care debate." I believe strongly that a correction and apology to his audiences is required by Mr. Gregory on next week's Meet the Press program. In addition, I believe strongly that Ms. Maddow be required to issue a correction to her lies, issue a personal apology to Dick Armey, an apology to the audience and an on-air public apology, along with a written apology to the Tea Party Patriots organization.
Ramjet
NBC's Announcement
August 17, 2009 - 10:24 ET by northoneWhen will NBC be announcing that Maddow is officially the new co-host of "Meet the Press"? She basically ran the show on Sunday. Hope David Gregory is feeling okay today - must have been uncomfortable when Maddow showed up with her notes and her testicle lock-box on Sunday morning.
Bring on Olberman and Matthews
August 17, 2009 - 10:47 ET by averageschmoeMaybe they can bring Olbermann, Matthews and Maddcow on regulary and they can call it the "Sunday View". They have to find one token Republican to come on and get beat up every week.
"tea bagger"
August 17, 2009 - 10:31 ET by NDanielsoni noticed the chickensh*t Maddow didn't refer to tea partyiers as tea-baggers this time. i noticed Armey didn't catch that either. talk about lobbing a ball across the plate. wouldn' that tend to tick people off rachel??? what a smarmy group.
condescending clowns
August 17, 2009 - 10:54 ET by NDanielsonshe chose her words pretty carefully today. and here: http://www.youtube.c...
The blind leading the blind
August 17, 2009 - 10:33 ET by KC MulvilleThe rhetorical silliness in this clip is embarrassing. A couple examples ...
They object to the tone of the debate. I agree with Coburn; the fault lies with the political class themselves, for having squandered and corrupted their public trust. To me, this just shows the mental health of the republic; when you get screwed, you're supposed to get angry.
Coburn was spot-on, too.
August 17, 2009 - 10:51 ET by BlondeAnd that's the trouble with all these politicians...to paraphrase Grace Slick, "I don't mind getting screwed, but I want to be kissed first".
These politicians get all of the kissing, in the form of megabucks, and the populace gets screwed, yet again.
As to the "tone"....too bad they don't like it, I don't care at all what they think about it. I don't like their "tone" (democrat) either.
I hope he fails, too.
I saw this the other day,
August 31, 2009 - 14:05 ET by arkansaszippersI saw this the other day, and I thought is was pretty fitting:
http://punditkitchen...
They also never talk about
August 17, 2009 - 11:10 ET by buddycThey also never talk about how divisive Obeyme's rhetoric is. He goes to great lengths to vilify whoever disagrees with him. He pits rich against poor. Black against white. Jew against gentile against muslim. Everything with Obeymen is hate and division. That is what he learned. That is why the left picked him. Those are the skills of an organizer. What do his tactics add to the level of hate? How would they change if Obeyme realized he was president of all the people?
There must be a chapter in
August 17, 2009 - 10:36 ET by Chris NormanThere must be a chapter in Saul Alinskey's handbook for radicals telling them how to dominate an interview with a debate-type format. The Number One rule must be to filibuster the debate, never pausing for a breath and talking over your opponent and even the host, if he tries to stop you. The next rule must be, if you lose the floor for any reason, then try to interupt your opponent as much as possible, thereby chopping their answers up into incoherent phrases. This happens too much when a liberal goes against a conservative to be coincidence.
"The Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Chris---
August 17, 2009 - 10:51 ET by misterbillI was so upset watching the video that I posted without reading your post. I too, was thinking of Alinsky ss I watched. I was mindful of the disregarding of Armey's noting the same type of thing happened to Bush. It was brushed aside, Alinsky style, with the hope that the audience would not notice the fairness of the comparison.
This is a grass roots effort. It is and has been spontaneous in spite of the claims of the liberal press. Our government is not listening to our people and are fuelling the next revolution.
Ignoring the will of the people is dangerous. Assuming that because they hold office, their opinion is more reasoned than that of the public is foolish.
Bill, I've commented
August 17, 2009 - 11:49 ET by Chris NormanBill,
I've commented before and even asked the big guys here about this apparent method of filibuster that has been tried and proven by what seems like every liberal appearing on political discussion shows. I've even asked one of the guys if the next time he appeared with a liberal on O'Reilly to check under the table to see if the liberal is hooked up to auxillary oxygen that allows him to talk non-stop - because that's all I can figure.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
If not for NB, I would not see the disgraceful
August 17, 2009 - 10:44 ET by misterbillIf not for NB, I would not see the disgraceful -- conduct of the MSM and hosts such as this Gregory chap becasue I long ago stopped watching them. So , thank you to NB.
I felt the blood rush to my head as I saw a "moderator" direct the conversation from an extreme biased view. It was disgraceful and I cannot understand why anyone would watch it other than to satisfy themselves as to how bad it is.
IMHO Rachel Maddow(?) was not nearly as bad as the moderator. I thought Armey did very well defending his position.
Can't these idiots in the MSM see why they are losing audience??
Again, thanks to NB for tracking this type of bias for us.
My views exactly. NBC,
August 17, 2009 - 11:07 ET by buddycMy views exactly. NBC, CNBC, MSNBC are blocked on all my televions. I miss many sporting events I would otherwise watch. Btw, GE applicances really do suck. I don't think they care and haven't cared for at least 2-3 years. The plan is really based on a flawed view of the media. They see Fox thriving and therefore they think that if they use the same model on appeal to left they will also thrive.
The problem with GE's plan is that Fox and conservative talk readio exists because it is the only place to turn for conservatives. The left has virtually all the rest of entertainment, news, movies, television, local news and the like. IMHO, their plan is a model for failure which is what its ratings show.
buddyc--
August 17, 2009 - 11:20 ET by misterbill-- I may be wrong, but I think many Americans are realiazing that the sh$$ they are fed on the MSM is "shovel ready". I think they are starting to tune in to the cable shows. I think they are starting to read more than one view.
I pray I am right.
Rachel needs got back to
August 17, 2009 - 11:12 ET by d1carterRachel needs go back to her clown car. She is way over her head on a show with these current and former Congressmen. Her schitck belongs more on MSNBC where no one is watching, with Olby and the network of the insane.
NBC must be getting very nervous over the possible defeat of their Messiah. Just think of all the money and effort down the rat hole.
The string of repeated
August 17, 2009 - 11:14 ET by usinkoreaThe string of repeated references to the use of Nazi is an attempt to shield Nancy Pelosi and a few other Dem. Congressmen who made the mistake of stoking the fires of opposition to Obama and the Dems by calling health care reform protesters Nazis and racists and KKK-like individuals. To help the Dems out after taking such a hard blow for putting their feet in their mouths, the press is now going to look through every nook and cranny to find things they can describe again and again and again as horrible slanders like that against Obama and the Dems --- in order to erode the outrage at what Pelosi and other said.
We've already seen Pelosi realize she'd hurt the Dem cause by how she backed down from the accusations after a couple of days.
The media has clearly gotten the message as well and gone on the offensive to help bury the initial blunder and turn it back on the protesters.
And it will probably work well enough...
Not even people are going to take the time to realize --- it is a very big difference when obscure John or Jane Q citizen makes such slanderous references - to when the Speaker of the freaken House of Representatives does it...
"Who's right: Maddow or
August 17, 2009 - 11:22 ET by scotth"Who's right: Maddow or Armey?"
Are you kidding?
Noel, you said, "for her
August 17, 2009 - 11:23 ET by ForeverOnTheRightNoel, you said, "for her continual interruptions when Armey was speaking, though quite commonplace for an MSNBC anchor, were downright rude." I think this is quite common behavior from the left. I've seen it repeatedly from lefty panelists on local PBS political discussion panels. I am not sure why, it could be just plane rudeness on their part, or is it a tactic to muddle the conservatives view? In other words I am not sure it’s intentional, learned, or stemming from their value system. Concervatives are too polite to call them on it and embarrass or shame the left with there bad behavior.
I think its driving her crazy
August 17, 2009 - 11:26 ET by katainkentthat she can't be in charge and control the message coming out here. FYI, the front page of teapartypatriots says specifically : "DO NOT INCITE VIOLENCE or break any laws" and it has been posted as such for weeks.
___________________________________________
"The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" - HR 3200 (Health Care Bill) Pg. 203. Ln 14 & 15
August 17, 2009 - 12:10 ET by jessieHI usually watch Meet the Press, but when this guy, Maddow, came on, I changed the channel. Everyone saw the Bush-Hitler ads, but I haven't seen anything close to them at any TEA protests. I don't know what Maddow is watching.
this guy maddow
August 17, 2009 - 12:23 ET by tomolson3She/he looked handsome!!! You know what they say about the size of a mans hands?.....Rachels hands are huge!!! And what kind of parents name there son Rachel?
Re Rachel
August 17, 2009 - 13:52 ET by slickwillie2001How about a parody of 'A Boy Named Sue?'
I think everyone is missing something here.
August 17, 2009 - 15:20 ET by JWFThey never did that. They didn't do that. They never ran an ad that compared... MoveOn never ran an ad that compared Bush to Hitler.
Maddow is so familiar with MoveOn, so thouroughly versed, so in touch, she could disclaim them running an ad 3 times. I could not name one single thing about MoveOn if you beat me with a rock.
My favorite site is Newsbusters and my favorite author is Noel Sheppard. I could not tell you what he wrote 2 weeks ago. No, please Noel, not the rock. I will think. I will remember.
k So her intimacy with all things MoveOn is very disquieting.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Well that genie is out of the bottle.
August 17, 2009 - 12:28 ET by nwahsFour references to Nazis, and one to Timothy McVeigh? Is that all Gregory and the producers see at these town hall meetings?
Well that genie is out of the bottle. Once you make the case that you can separate genocide from other aspects of Nazi Germany to make a fair comparison, you've opened the door to twisted rhetoric and comparisons. Rush has sanctioned it.
So expect comparisons of Rush (or any conservative leader) to Mark Foli, Larry Craig, Tim McVeigh, Jim Jones, Jeffrey Dahmer, or anyone dastardly evil or an embarrassment. Expect comparisons of protesters to the KKK ( both seem spirited and angry - just overlook the racist aspect of the KKK for sake of the comparison).
Just remember, Rush sanctioned the tactic. Soon, my reminder about the similarity between Rush and Ahmadinejad will seem quite mild.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Rush has what?
August 17, 2009 - 13:28 ET by CobraManNwahs, I remember the Hitler comparisons being made during the early 70's when NIXON was the President. I DON'T remember Rush being on the air at that time. Do you have some intimate knowledge of Rush's pre-90's radio shows that I should be aware of?
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
And they were made against Bush
August 17, 2009 - 13:58 ET by nwahsBut last week Rush is on record as sanctioning that type of rhetoric, and since he is the mouthpiece of conservatism, it will be hard to feign indignation. Of course anyone with integrity still won't use that type of rhetoric.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
I believe Rush's argument
August 17, 2009 - 14:07 ET by balboaI believe Rush's argument was basically "Well the left did it before I did it, and it's not really apropos. If anyone's like Hitler, it's Obama."
Well actually he said
August 17, 2009 - 15:38 ET by nwahs"Finally, I'm replying in kind. I'm not surprised they don't like it."
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Lie. nwahs the liar.
August 17, 2009 - 15:45 ET by JWFYour search - rush limbaugh "Finally, I'm replying in kind. I'm not surprised they don't like it." - did not match any documents.
take out the quote marks (which proves nwahs is a liar - he said it was a direct quote) and we come up with this -
http://mediamatters.org/research/200908100041
Not only does he lie, but he gets his lies from media matters. And he still thinks we are too stupid to google check him. Condescending liar.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
I'm quoting from memory
August 17, 2009 - 16:02 ET by nwahsI heard the show, I'm quoting from memory. It's not a lie.
The exact quote is
"I'm
hitting back in kind. And I'm not surprised they don't like it."
I put
"Finally, I'm replying in kind. I'm not surprised they don't like it."
Big difference there, Sherlock.
Anyway the full quote makes my point. It mentions two preposterous comparisons and states he's adopting the same tactic. From your link...
"And I told Byron for my whole career, I had sat here and I have listened to conservatism be compared to Nazism, I have had eight years of Bush-is-Hitler, I have had all these compare -- I have had Dick Durbin talking about our interrogators at Gitmo being like Nazi thugs. We've heard Obama make the comparison to our court system being like Nazi Germany, and I'm finally -- I'm hitting back in kind. And I'm not surprised they don't like it."
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
The liar thinks we are too stupid to know what quote marks are.
August 17, 2009 - 16:22 ET by JWFEven wikipedia knows what quote marks are for -
You got caught in yet another lie. LIAR.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Ignore history, why don't you?
August 17, 2009 - 14:51 ET by CobraManNwahs, the Liberal "sanctioned" the comparisons DECADES before Rush became the "mouthpiece of conservatism" as you put it. They did that every time they used them in public and NO FELLOW LIBERAL stood up again this.
It's obvious that the only one who's resorting to "feigned indignation" here is YOU, when you ignore the liberal's historical perchance for this type of character assassination and blame Rush for "sanctioning" something that the liberals have been doing since the 70's.
But, hey, who cares that Liberals have a 40 year history of using Nazi symbolism and imagery to demean and marginalize Conservatives? Rush talked about it a few months ago, so HE'S to blame, right?
It's obvious that you don't like Rush, but haven't you've even considered the fact that your intense dislike is biasing your opinions and conclusions, just a bit? (Actually. it's biasing them a LOT!)
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
nwahs is still spreading lies, lies and more lies.
August 17, 2009 - 15:31 ET by JWFhwahs the liar: But last week Rush is on record as sanctioning that type of rhetoric...
nwahs is lying again hoping we are all too stupid to use the google search function. I searched the Limbaugh transcripts for the last 3 weeks. Nothing even close, liar.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Please stop pretending you
August 17, 2009 - 13:27 ET by Jack BauerPlease stop pretending you give a flying eff about anyone or anything conservative.
It's insultingly tedious, being you're more transparent than a trasparent piece of glass. And that's see though.
I know you love me
August 17, 2009 - 13:59 ET by nwahs*smoooch*
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
We do...
August 17, 2009 - 14:04 ET by Georgia Girlbut you really are not a conservative. Come on, admit it. :)
And which of my beliefs make you think that?
August 17, 2009 - 14:14 ET by nwahsI'm conservative. Which of my beliefs makes you think I'm not? That I don't like hypocrisy? That I'm not afraid to say I don't like hypocrisy? Thats not liberal.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
HansW~
August 17, 2009 - 14:30 ET by Georgia GirlWhich beliefs? Almost all of them! LOL. Honestly, I wasn't speaking to anything you have written today (have not read any of that yet except to see it has something to do with Rush, so my comment was not specific to today). I just often disagree with you on issues, so I know you are not a conservative! :) Yes, I use myself as a general standard on conservatism. Go ahead -- tell me how bad that sounds! LOL. I'm only half joking.
Well, I don't always disagree with you. And I like you anyway! ^_^ When I don't care for someone (it takes a certain type with me)or someone so irks me on their attitude/stance on an issue, I think it's fairly easy to tell if I'm seriously ticked. It doesn't happen often, but I'm sure most people on here can tell. ["Oh, there goes GG...oooooh, she was so sweet just a minute ago -- but this must be one of her issues because she's really ticked now!" ((^_^))]
I know what it is
August 17, 2009 - 15:20 ET by nwahsIts the sprockets isn't it? I knew you'd catch on :(
"Where the hell is my monkey?"
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
HansW~
August 17, 2009 - 15:44 ET by Georgia GirlNaw, that was funny.
Conservative? I though you were a Libertarian?
August 17, 2009 - 14:54 ET by CobraMan"I'm conservative."
Conservative? I though you were a Libertarian?
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
I said librarian
August 17, 2009 - 15:21 ET by nwahsI said I was conservative librarian.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
LOL My Bad!
August 17, 2009 - 15:31 ET by CobraManLOL Ok, My Bad! BTW, how's those privacy screens and content filters working for ya?
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
Well I can handle the content filters
August 17, 2009 - 15:45 ET by nwahsBut they're going to get someone else to dust the "privacy screens."
...
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
I have examples.
August 17, 2009 - 18:30 ET by JWFnwahs: I'm conservative. Which of my beliefs makes you think I'm not?
Let's see. The constant lying. The obsession with slandering Rush Limbaugh. The lies. The hidden antisemitism through the constant reminders about the nazi symbols. The constant lies.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
The belief that government
August 17, 2009 - 16:08 ET by ckc1227The belief that government should subsidize health insurance like they subsidize flood insurance would be one. You're seemingly never-ending crusade against Conservatives would be another.
"That I don't like hypocrisy?"
You don't like so-called Conservative hypocrisy. You're pretty ok with liberal hypocrisy. I wonder why?
Are you sure your last name isn't Frum, or Brooks, or maybe Maddow, or Olberman?
nwahs sanctions appeasement
August 17, 2009 - 13:58 ET by candanceHe sounds like the moderate Germans who told their neighbors not to judge Hitler by the crazy things he wrote in Mein Kampf. I mean come on, one little chancellor would not have enough politicial power to control everything, and he wouldn't have so many allies if he was that radical. Hitler has clearly and repeatedly said that those quotes are not from the Mein Kampf he remembers writing.
Oh, and the left compared Rush to Tim McVeigh and the Klan already. There is literally no comparison that hasn't been made, no accusation that we would find shocking.
In fact, just last week a Congressman compared town hall protestors to those who unleashed attack dogs on black civil rights marchers. And lefties defended him.
The left wants discourse to be that vulgar, and they will do it regardless of Rush Limbaugh. So spare us the self-righteousness.
Unrelated...
August 17, 2009 - 14:08 ET by Georgia GirlSorry, not meaning to interrupt this thread, but is anybody else having problems on the site this afternoon? It's probably just my computer, but just checking~I can't call up my account and get to PMs & etc. Thanks...
~I was wondering
August 17, 2009 - 14:13 ET by choselife3xHow long it would take someone to comment about that.
None of the biopages are working, but I can still access my PM's and buddylist just fine.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
Chose~
August 17, 2009 - 14:16 ET by Georgia GirlThanks...okay, I guess I am not alone. :) I can't access anything! I get some sort of code error -- whatever the heck that means. ((^_^))
~404 Not-Found
August 17, 2009 - 14:23 ET by choselife3xHope they fix this stuff soon.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
cl3x yea made me jump when I signed on, today...
August 17, 2009 - 18:05 ET by upcountrywaterI flashed that the folk on this side of this site saw
ACCESS DENIED eek.
I'm not sure but I think it's an effort to speed up this site.
Reagan VS Liberalism
Same here, Georgia. Unable
August 17, 2009 - 14:29 ET by QueenMumSame here, Georgia. Unable to access other's profiles in order to send pm's. I also had trouble logging in earlier today; but that resolved itself within a few minutes.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
~PM's
August 17, 2009 - 14:32 ET by choselife3xIf you click on the "Write new message" button at the bottom of your mailbox you can fill in the screen name of the person you want to message and go around the glitch.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
Chose~
August 17, 2009 - 14:57 ET by Georgia GirlThat won't work on my end, but thanks anyway. I guess 404 really messed with my system before he left. ^_^ And to add to this quirkiness, I had played the video on this blog when I first came on this afternoon -- and it went on a crazy loop where I could not get it to stop -- so the whole time I was writing comments on a few blogs here, I had the treat of hearing the Dick/Rachel audio over and over and over and over again. I finally just exited out and came back on, before I couldn't take it anymore. LOL.
~You poor thing
August 17, 2009 - 15:06 ET by choselife3xI'm glad to say I've never heard Rachel's (what a waste of a pretty name) voice.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
Yes, 404 is gone...
August 17, 2009 - 14:35 ET by Georgia GirlYes, that guy "404" must have left the building. Nobody can find him -- and apparently he was the one who kept our functions running smoothly. I hope he comes back soon! ;)
It not self-righeousness
August 17, 2009 - 14:11 ET by nwahs3 years ago, finding such behavior abhorrent would have been normal not self-righteous. Corruption does tend to blur things. But you keep playing "tit for tat."
"They ( liberals) did it to Bush so we'll do it to Obama"
Rush is always fond of saying conservatives want to attract liberals, but not by acting liberal, by showing them the wisdom of conservatism. So how does he do it? By adopting the tactics of liberals.
"Finaly, I am responding in kind."- Rush Limbaugh
"Thieves had stolen enough from me so I became a thief."
"Liars have slandered me so I became a liar. "
Hmmm- there's a song in there.
Candance, its not self-righteous. Up to about a year ago it was simple morality.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
you totally missed my point nwahs
August 17, 2009 - 14:28 ET by candanceMy point is not that this is a tit-for-tat game. My point is that, like it or not, politics is a blood sport. Conservatives are not shocked by Hitler comparisons because we have heard them our whole lives. Being called racist, criminal, hatemongers, it's as common as saying the sky is blue. Hillary coined it "the politics of personal destruction" many years ago.
If liberals are so thin-skinned that they're shocked about it, then they either they haven't been paying attention or they truly thought it would never happen to them. Either way, this is the norm for public discussion now.
And it doesn't have anything to do with drawing liberals to our cause. Most of us have long given up on that. Liberals don't want the truth. They want their way or the highway. Period.
More lies about Rush from the nwahs the liar.
August 17, 2009 - 15:27 ET by JWFYour search - "Finally, I am responding in kind." Rush Limbaugh - did not match any documents.
Your search - "Thieves had stolen enough from me so I became a thief." Rush limbaugh - did not match any documents.
Your search - "Liars have slandered me so I became a liar. " Rush limbaugh - did not match any documents.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
I'm not a liar
August 17, 2009 - 15:30 ET by nwahsI am quite ethical and moral. Don't you see that JWF?
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
More diversions and red herrings from the liar.
August 17, 2009 - 15:50 ET by JWFJust so he does not have to back up his lies. Not a liar? Source your quotes.
let's not go crazy, here
August 17, 2009 - 16:03 ET by candancenwahs never implied that Rush said anything about becoming a thief or a liar. Those weren't quotes, they were allegories.
But the Media Matters article you linked to did claim that Rush literally said "I am responding in kind." Of course they also implied that he was serious about being a "mob father" so, there you go. Whether or not MM's spin is correct, swahs quoted the MM article pretty close.
That said, the transcript MM provided wasn't as bad as nwahs is making it out here. Rush compared government healthcare and the "death panel" portion to the kind of "free healthcare for all" that the Nazis sold to moderate Germans. He was making the point that even the Nazis were able to put a happy face on their death panels, too.
A far cry from Obama=Hitler, which nwahs keeps implying.
Nwahs is cintinuing his obsession with calling Rush a liar.
August 17, 2009 - 16:33 ET by JWFIt did not start here today. He is obsessed with saying all the nazi symbology on display ( all one of it ) is squarely the fault of Rush Limbaugh.
I would provide links but a) the search function is buster and b) I would seriously clog up this page with his previous lies and c) look who brought up Rush Limbaugh again here, out of scope of the discussion.
I am not saying he started lying here today, I am saying he brought the same lies forward.
"But you keep playing "tit
August 17, 2009 - 15:59 ET by ckc1227"But you keep playing "tit for tat."
We're not playing tit for tat. Liberals are like nazis. I bet the "n" in your screen name stands for nazi.That means you're pro-genocide, which makes sense, seeing as how you're for government health care.
nwahs the liar is back lying about Rush Limbaugh.
August 17, 2009 - 15:20 ET by JWFHe was on his show today. He says he has not lied ever.
Who are we to believe, Rush Limbaugh or nwahs the liar that I personally caught lying? Too bad the search function does not work or I would find some more nwahs lies.
I will take Rush. He does not lie. Only nwahs lies. A lot. Here. Liar.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Where have you been? Those
August 17, 2009 - 15:45 ET by ckc1227Where have you been? Those Rush comparisons started years ago. But keep telling yourelf after 8 years of democrats calling Bush hitler/nazi that it's Rush who is responsible for it now, lol.
I told you...."I am the fool" is way more accurate.
I didn't say Rush is responsible for it
August 17, 2009 - 16:10 ET by nwahsWhooa, I didn't say Rush was responsible for it or invented it, I said last week he sanctioned the tactic. And he did. Liberals are experts at character assassination and destroying the messenger - not the message- but destroy the person who dare bring the message. And last week , Rush jumped in the tub with them. So now that characteristic is not unique to liberals. I'm not claiming Rush invented it. I said last week he sanctioned it.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Busted.
August 17, 2009 - 17:01 ET by JWFhwahs here today: Whooa, I didn't say Rush was responsible for it or invented it
nwahs: Given that Rush is creating this inflammatory comparison to a regime known for genocide...
nwahs: They were there because Rush and Beck started drawing Nazi parallels before the town hall meetings. They didn't spontaneously appear. <<<<I left this as it was, he emphasized the word before.
nwahs: The imagery started after Beck's programs on American fascism, back in April. <<<<< Oops. nwahs didn't say Rush was responsible, just Glenn Beck. Oh dear. Sorry about that.
nwahs: She never said that and she never called anyone a Nazi. She called them "AstroTurf" and then brought up the Nazi symbolism to connect it to Glenn Beck's long running theme that Obama is much like Hitler. wahs: <<<<<< Oh dear. Is it Rush Or Glenn or both? Now I am confused.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
No, you're.. confused
August 17, 2009 - 17:08 ET by nwahsI said Rush didn't invent the tactic. Rush adopted the tactic last week.
You really can't follow small sentences?
Glenn Beck adopted the tactic when he was on CNN comparing environmentalist to the Hitler Youth. I didn't say Glenn Beck was the inventor of the tactic.
If you can't offer more than this, I'm going to ignore you. This is as exciting as arguing with a can of paint. This is plain stupid.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Busted! bing bing bing richochet rabbit. Beeeeeeeeeee-usted!
August 17, 2009 - 17:18 ET by JWFWho is arguing here? I am providing direct quotes from the liar. The liar is now dismissing his own quotes?
nwahs here today: I said Rush didn't invent the tactic.
nwahs: Well, I'm just posting thats not the case and Glenn Beck and Rush own much of this. The swastikas started showing up at tea parties and were a direct result of Glenn Beck's shows on fascism in America. Glenn Becks comparing environmentalist to the Hitler youth. Glenn Beck comparing the GM takeover to the Nazi creation of Volkswagen.
Now Rush grabbed the ball in the Greta Van Susteren interview, in drawing parallels between Obamacare and fascism and dictatorships.
On Aug 6, he went into full Hitler spin, a theme Glenn Beck has been refining since at least July of 08. Its a two pronged attack, but Beck and Rush own much of it. <<<<<< Huh? Beck started it and Rush pickled a ball and got the runs?
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
This episode
August 17, 2009 - 17:59 ET by nwahsGlen Beck and Rush started this episode of Nazi comparisons, not the tactic which many have pointed out, go back for decades. The tactic is an old one. Rush adopted it last week, Glenn Beck - a year ago. Now if you really can't understand that, it is beyond my capability to explain it to you. You need someone trained in that field.
Personally I think you're trolling. But on the outside chance you're not, I'm done with you before I start having fun at your expense.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Someone opened their mouth. Whoops. Out pops a lie.
August 17, 2009 - 18:49 ET by JWFIf you can't offer more than this, I'm going to ignore you. - Lie? or changy mindings?
Oh did you hear that boys and girls this time? We got the poor widdow nwahs all wrong this time. See, he actually meant Rush started this episode this time. See. He just forgot to, you know, actually say this time in any of his posts this time. Boy, we really blew it this time. Huh, boys and girls?
nwahs: Given that Rush is CREATING this inflammatory comparison this time to a regime known for genocide...
nwahs: They were there because Rush and Beck STARTED drawing Nazi parallels this time before the town hall meetings this time. They didn't spontaneously appear this time.
nwahs: The imagery STARTED this time after Beck's programs on American fascism, back in April this time.
nwahs: She never said that this time and she never called anyone a Nazi this time. She called them "AstroTurf" this time and then brought up the Nazi symbolism to connect it to Glenn this time
nwahs: Well, I'm just posting thats not the case this time and Glenn Beck and Rush own much of this this time. The swastikas STARTED showing up this time at tea parties and were a direct result of Glenn Beck's shows on fascism in America this time. Glenn Becks comparing environmentalist to the Hitler youth this time. Glenn Beck comparing the GM takeover to the Nazi creation of Volkswagen this time.
Now Rush grabbed the ball this time in the Greta Van Susteren interview this time, in drawing parallels between Obamacare and fascism and dictatorships this time.
On Aug 6, he went into full Hitler spin this time, a theme Glenn Beck has been refining since at least July of 08. Its a two pronged attack, but Beck and Rush own much of it THIS TIME.
Wow, we sure did blow it boys and girls. Look at all those this time's we missed. We were thrown off by the whole started and created and started and created thing. Man, were we off huh boys and girls?
No, we are not witnessing a clear example of weasel wording now are we boys and girls
Given the obsessive
August 17, 2009 - 18:53 ET by Jack BauerGiven the obsessive frequency of the posts, I think he's getting some sort of government payment in a CASH FOR BLOG CLUNKERS program
I listen to Rush everyday and I find it truly amazing...
August 17, 2009 - 18:55 ET by jawebster1how the libs spin what he says into something he did not say. It has taught me a great lesson. If they lie about what I know to be true, then they are not to trusted on stuff that I don't know. That is why I barely or rarely read what trolls like nwahs has to say. It's a waste of time. Jim Webster
I listen to him too
August 17, 2009 - 19:08 ET by nwahsBut understand, I'm writing to people who like to discuss topics. I really wish both of you would ignore my posts.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
The lying troll thinks he can ignore me.
August 17, 2009 - 17:55 ET by JWFYea. Someone might want to clue him in as to how that worked out with all the other trolls. Oh look what I found.
Don't waste your time,
March 1, 2009 - 16:09 ET by fitzfong
Don't waste your time, general company. It's well established that nwahs doesn't even know why nwahs doesn't like Rush Limbaugh. So he creates these broad generalizations out of nothing, presents them as objective facts, then tries to escape direct challenges to his declarations by playing misdirection games...dropping further meritless blanket statements to change the subject.
Oh so you're not mentally challenged
August 17, 2009 - 18:02 ET by nwahsBe careful what you wish for.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
NASA wants to borrow the cray supercomputer...
August 17, 2009 - 18:50 ET by JWF....I keep in the basement. So I have to stop the Rush hatred word crunching from the backwards shawn liar. NASA wants to know the percentage of water on the moon. Hey NASA, .014%! Pshaw, they want to crunch the numbers themselves. Before I go, look what else I found boys and girls ---
Shawn
March 11, 2009 - 11:29 ET by Noel Sheppard
Shawn,
FWIW: I more and more perceive you as nothing but a troll and are less and less interested in reading anything you post here. If that's your goal, you're succeeding. ns
wow
August 17, 2009 - 21:00 ET by katainkentjust wow.
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"The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" - HR 3200 (Health Care Bill) Pg. 203. Ln 14 & 15
Somebody just lean over and
August 17, 2009 - 14:12 ET by moovovaSomebody just lean over and smack that guy up side the head.
I won't smack Shawnie...
August 17, 2009 - 14:36 ET by PA Conservativebut I will taser him for you! Shawnie is afraid of my taser...
PAC
That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends,
it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to
institute new government...
You still playing with that
August 17, 2009 - 15:16 ET by nwahsYou still playing with that tingle thingy? :)
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
I will have to get it back...
August 17, 2009 - 15:29 ET by PA Conservativefrom Chrissy Matthews before I use it on you! Now, everyone knows where he actually got the tingle up his leg from.
PAC
That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends,
it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to
institute new government...
You better sterilize it
August 17, 2009 - 16:12 ET by nwahsBetter yet - just shoot me.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Are there any credible
August 17, 2009 - 16:14 ET by LeondeuxAre there any credible talking heads left anywhere? I'd love to see Newsbusters make a poll concerning the best pundits. Not sure if this has been done but could make for an interesting Open Thread.
I personally can't name many off the top of my head. Don't watch a lot of tv since I get most of my news from the internet so I only really knowt he big name jokers (e.g. Chrissy, Dobbs, Olbermann, Maddow, BOR, Kristol, etc.) Can't say I trust a single one.
This most recent Maddow appearance just furthers my conviction that all televised news is garbage.
Committees of correspondence
August 17, 2009 - 19:30 ET by Redrowan2000This is Sam Adams they are talking about. Town hall , Newsbusters This is our Committees of Correspondence. Lest we cede our rights away through apathy or indiffernce, chains of indentured servitude will be our lot if we do not at least question the so called authority who imposes it's will upon the people without representation.
No quotations
"A struggle over the power of the purse brought Adams back into the political limelight. Traditionally, the Massachusetts House of Representatives paid the salaries of the governor, lieutenant governor, and superior court judges. From the Whig perspective, this arrangement, by keeping royally appointed officials accountable to democratically elected representatives, was an important check on executive power.[114] In 1772, Massachusetts learned that the those officials would henceforth be paid by the British government rather than by the province.[115] To protest this development, in November 1772 Adams and his colleagues devised a system of committees of correspondence; the towns of Massachusetts would consult with each other concerning political matters via messages sent through a network of committees that recorded British activities and protested imperial policies.[116] Committees of correspondence soon formed in other colonies as well. "
I hate to use it but Wikipedia--AAARGH
"Don't let the bastards grind you down."
Red