Congressman Tells O'Donnell 'You're Illustrating Why MSNBC's Viewership Is In the Tank'

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MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell for the second time in eight days bullied a guest he was interviewing, but this time the person on the receiving end really let him have it.

As NewsBusters previously reported, O'Donnell last Thursday, while subbing for Ed Schultz on that evening's "The Ed Show," continually talked over his guest Peter Schiff and basically never let him answer any questions.

On Friday, O'Donnell, who was sitting in for Chris Matthews on "Hardball," tried the same tactic with Rep. John Culberson (R-Tex.), but this time his guest struck back and struck back hard (video embedded below the fold with partial transcript, h/t NBer sic721 with a video assist from Jeff Poor):

You know, Lawrence, for your listeners, you're illustrating why MSNBC's viewership is in the tank because you don't allow your people you're interviewing to answer questions. And, you know Lawrence, this is why Katie and everybody else is going to Facebook, everyone's going to the Internet because why listen to MSNBC when you won't even let the people you're interviewing answer the question?

Bravo, Congressman! Encore!


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O'Donnell: Congressman, why

O'Donnell: Congressman, why are you such an idiot?

Congressman: Well, Law...

O: Just answer the questions Congressman. Why are you such an idiot?

C: I don't see...

O: Okay if you're not going to answer that question, how about this one? Since you're admitting to be an idiot, how do you get up in the morning?

C: Really Lawrence, I don't...

O: Fine Congressman. If you just want everyone to see how much of an idiot you are, that's fine with me. I've gotta go. Coming up- another idiot GOP Congressman tries to tell me why he wants Obama shot. After this commercial from Progressive Auto Insurance.

Case In Point...

If it wasnt for NewsBusters and the internet, I would never see any of the stupid crap PMSNBC puts out.

Take a straw dog argument and just run with it. Nobody is saying get rid of Medicare, but he's desperate to make criticizing socialism look like an outrageous idea.

Listen putz, both medicare and medicade are bankrupt, how much more socialism do you need before you realize its a money losing failure. Certainly putting the whole country under that plan cannot be wise.

Heck, Obama said it best when he said UPS and FedEx are doing well while the USPS is losing money hand over fist. Thanks, Obama stating what the state run media refuses to admit. The government cannot run anything without it turning into a total money sucking failure.

PMSNBC can bite my shiny metal a$$!

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Ask yourself: Do I want a good paying job, or do I want a government hand out. Its that simple!

Hellooo fellow Bender fan!

I thought I was all alone here.

And the Ratings Say........

Let's have a look at the Cable News ratings for August 13 (from televisionbythe numbers):

5 pm        Glenn Beck (FOX News)   -            2, 411,000 viewers

                Hardball/Chris Matthews (MSNBC) - 425,000 viewers

 

6 pm         Bret Baier (FOX) -      2,042,000 viewers

                Ed's Show (MSNBC) -   429,000 viewers

 

7 pm         Fox Report/Shep Smith  -  1,866,000 viewers

                Hardball/Chris Matthews-     429,000 viewers

 

8 pm         O'Reilly (FOX)     -            3,520,000 viewers

                 Bathtub Boy (MSNBC) -      988,000 viewers

 

9 pm         Hannity (FOX)       -            2,857,000 viewers

                Rachel Maddow (MSNBC)  -  975,000 viewers

 

10 pm       Greta (FOX)  -              2,528,000 viewers

                Bathtub Boy (MSNBC)  -  691,000 viewers

 So the majority of viewers seem to be turning to whom to get their news in the evening????????????  Keep ranting and filibustering for all it's worth, Lawrence.  No one is watching.  No one cares what you have to say!

Please grow and pair

Why can't the Republicans and Conservatives just ignore these liberal advocacy networks?  Just say No.  Don't go on the shows, don't do the interviews.  Let it go.....You can't reason with idiots.

Please, Grow a Pair and just say NO.

 

www.btreasures.com 

 

They know they are damned

They know they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

I had this show on for a few minutes today, but changed the channel. Now I'm glad I did...my head would have exploded.

O'Donnell is an idiot. 

PRESSTITUTES

He's NOT an idiot. These leftists know EXACTLY what they are doing. They actually want socialism because they think they will be among the choosen ones. They are PRESSTITUTES.

Right on.....

Yeah they do know exactly what they are doing. As for this interview, the congressman didn't want to say it, but yeah, ALL socialist programs should be handled by state and local governments like the Founders intended. Both parties have strayed too far to the left and that's why nothing is accomplished in this country anymore...

I'm changing from independent to Libertarian and voting that way. Wayne Allen Root's book "Conscience of a Libertarian" is the new "manifesto" to bring us back to a free people...To me, most of this is a Republican v. Democrat Ponzi scheme to help the bankers fleece the American Entrepreneur and Worker..They're all in on it. Remember Bush Sr. with the "New World Order" crap? This stuff has been brewing a long time with both sides complicit in destroying the Founding Fathers' principles, you know what the country was built on....

presstitutes

Presstitutes, is that like a stupid prostitute where you don't get paid and only get mentally screwed?

 

He has already failed... his country.

Because going on and being

Because going on and being treated like that helps Republicans and hurts democraps. It illustrates their hypocrosy and idiocy better than going on Fox and giving a little soundbite ever could.

Plus going on there is very brave. Unlike Pelosi and Reid who have boycotted Fox for almost a decade because they are afraid to be challeneged.

You don't change minds by hiding from the people you're trying to reach. 

He should have said....

He should have just told O'Donell that yes they are socialist programs, but that doesnt justify slipping further in to it. Those programs are both running out of money, so he could have easily turned it around on him. He was too quick to play the victim, although I'm glad he said it. 

Great Point...

Great point. Anytime these lefty commies come in with "Well we already have socialism", I'd remind them that SS and Medicare will collapse soon as combined they are $80 trillion in unfunded debt. Just because we've let Liberty slip through our fingers with these vote buying schemes before doesn't mean we need to pour more Socialist gas on a house that's already on fire.....Return to the Constitution.......

99%

99% of the country doesn't watch MSNBC now. Let's have all Republicans boycott appearing on MSNBC and drive that number up to 99.9% of the country not watching MSNBC.

Then have NewsBusters stop

Then have NewsBusters stop monitoring it and it would become 99.99%.

They are

By the looks of the ratings, most Americans, not just Conservatives, are avoiding MESSNBC

why...

why do people even go on this stupid ass show?

 If I were in his studio i would smack that idiotic smug look off his face. God, they talk about Repubs inciting violence. I have never been angrier then after watching this crap.

I'LL TELL YOU WHY...

You go on there & get up in their grill, pick a fight, go after them with the facts. Then tell them why their ratings are in the crapper. That is what the guest/victim did.

On Glenn Beck's radio show, he pointed out that O'Donnell lied to the woman (Katie) who talked to Spector at a townhall meeting. She told O'Donnell she did'nt like it that Obama had said that he had said that the Single Payer System  he wants would take at least 15 or 20 years to get in place. O'Donnell said "He has never said that". Then he played at least 3 audio clips of Obama saying exactly that.

Maybe that's why no one gives a damn about MSNBC.

 

"...How blind can you be, don't you see...

...that the gambler lost all he does not have..."  

Nightwish

And if Lawrence O was

And if Lawrence O was approached again today he would REPEAT that Obama never said he was for a single payer system because he is now committed to that position.

Good Question

why do people even go on this stupid ass show?

That is a really good question, but an even better one is, "Why do people watch it?" That O'Donnell guy (probably Rosie's sister) has to be at least as annoying and despicable as anybody I've ever known.

Full disclosure: I don't know Jimmy Carter. 

Three Cheers to O'Donnell!!!!

Kudos to O’Donnell!  He totally destroyed that Texas Bumpkin on the air.  Yes, the media could use more men of O’Donnell’s capability; he has the ability to breakdown an issue, take away the façade of talking points and strike like a viper at what is at stake.  Culberson could not even admit if Social Security or Medicare are socialism, how weak.

Sterling

O'Donnell has the ability to lie faster and not allow anyone to answer a question. He is worthless as tits on a boar hog. He is a punk so he fits in with the rest of the msnbc trash. All blather and no facts to back them up. Guess that is expected from the government owned news station.

O'Donnell the King of Facts

Oh my, sounds like someone is little jealous of Mr. O’Donnell.  You know, I do a lot of driving for work; and I was in some backwater town and the only station that I got was a local one.  Unfortunately, Mark Levin was doing his show at that time.  I heard that angry little weasel running his mouth saying he wants to destroy Larry O’Donnell.  I actually had to pull off the side of the road because I was laughing so hard… For Mark Levin to even think that he is an intellectual peer of Larry O’Donnell gave me great joy to hear.  How pathetic of him to use O’Donnell to prop his poor little ego up.  Sad. 

(yawn)

(yawn)

Sterling

Who would be jealous of that scut.He cant even spell the word truth so his facts are made up.O'Donnell is just all mouth and no contend.

Put your money where your mouth is at.

Tell me is do you believe that Social Security and Medicare is Socialism? 

Social Security is a Ponzi

Social Security is a Ponzi scheme !

Stop trying to distract people from that fact.

nice sound bite

I do not even think you know what a Ponzi scheme is; how very funny how you will not address the question if is it is socialism… I suppose when you support a policy, it is capitalism; but when you oppose a policy it is automatically Marxist. 

I do not even think you

I do not even think you know what a Ponzi scheme is

Translation - you need to go look that up before you can continue discussing it.

how very funny how you will not address the question if is it is socialism

I told you what I think.  It is a Ponzi scheme.  Now, once you look up what that is, you will know what my answer is.

Ha, you are truly

Ha, you are truly pathetic.  Obviously, you have no clue what a Ponzi scheme is; because if you did, you would have answered the question.  It’s all right, you probably heard Glenn Beck call Social Security that and you ran with it; and I am not so insecure as to give the definition because obviously you need me to explain it to you. 

Didn't you leave most of

Didn't you leave most of your hide with a good chunk of self-respect still attached on another thread?

Undefeated

It started to bore me. Even after two glasses of wine I found very little entertainment in the discussion.  And if I remember correctly; I destroyed you with my logic.  Yes, I beat you up worst than an Oldsmobile.  

Admiting you've been

Admiting you've been drinking is a good idea.

You now have a partial excuse for sounding so idiotic.

Please, it is Friday

Please, it is Friday night… I had a very long week considering I work for a living. 

Tough day at the Burger King

Tough day at the Burger King ?

Ok, that one was funny.

Ok, that one was funny.

BK

Actually, Whoppers are far and away the best fast food burgers. Always have been. Their fries are the best, too.

That is, when I'm not sipping my white wine and eating my quiche with the pastry "light as air".

 

Egg pie, yum

Egg pie, yum

Free, Selling whoppers,

exhausting work...

And then spew whoppers, what a work load..

Reagan VS Liberalism

ROFL !

ROFL !

You are probably the only

You are probably the only one who thinks so.

Let's see if we can bore you again here.  Free says Social Security is a Ponzi scheme.  I will extend that argument:   If Social Security were a private plan, its organizers would long ago have been imprisoned for fraud and the plan shutdown.  Why?  because it is an illegal pyramid fraud scheme no different than the fraud Bernie Madoff just went to prison for.

Worse that the pyramid fraud aspect of Social security, the insufficient cash reserves that were collected to fund its liabilites were taken and spent for other purposes by the Congress and replaced in the Social Security "Trust Fund" by valueless government promisory notes. 

Like I said before, Al Gore

Like I said before, Al Gore wanted to fix it; but all you people did was laugh at him when he said he wanted to put the reserves in a lock box.  I swear the man is a prophet.

Gore is one of the same

Gore is one of the same people who voted for the budget measures that spent the money in the trust.  And yes, he DID vote for such measures both as a Congressman and as a Senator.

"I swear the man is a

"I swear the man is a prophet."

No doubt.

What a riot!

You honestly believed that "lock box" crap?  I didn't.  But then, I do not have blind faith in the government as you clearly do.  If ANY politician were remotely serious about saving Social Security, they would propose and initiate a plan to have it atized entirely over a period of time; say, some decades or so. 

 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Oldsmobile?

Easy there slick.  Oldsmobiles are awesome rides.

I preferred Mopars.  This

I preferred Mopars.  This little half-nut likely doesn't even KNOW what a Mopar is.

Well I am glad I am just a

Well I am glad I am just a half-nut and not a full nut.

Sorry to dissappoint you. 

Sorry to dissappoint you.  I was not referring to your mental state.

MOter PARts

For Dodge, Ply, or Chry

 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

MOter PARts

Made and/or assembled in Mexico.

In 1969?  Think again.

In 1969?  Think again.

1969?

You got me there. 1969, I should  have known that!!!

Relatively speaking, you

Relatively speaking, you are new here.   I am old enough to have appreciated a 1969 Mopar when it was new and many here are aware of this..

NL207

You weren’t styling unless you had a Corvair (Not to be mistaken with Corvette).

A statement of surrender

 And if I remember correctly; I destroyed you with my logic.  Yes, I beat you up worst than an Oldsmobile.    When you have to type sentences like this, you have lost the argument. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

LOL

Ha, you are truly pathetic

Actually, if you knew what it was, you would know my answer was Social Security is a fraud/crime.  (and thus not Socialism)

I guess your Social Studies teachers haven't mentioned that to you yet?  Perhaps next year in 8th grade.

Very mature… so what I

Very mature… so what I get out of this conversation is that when you retire you will be collecting your Social Security and Medicare?  Or are your convictions stronger than that? 

You're lecturing anyone about maturity? That's a laugh!

Very mature

Ha ha ha! 

You're lecturing anyone about maturity?  That's a laugh!

 

P.S. - Have you looked up Ponzi Scheme yet?  Because everyone who knows what it is realizes that you still dont understand my answer.

Tiresome

Do you bring anything to the conversation, besides your insults? 

Yes, but you didn't

Yes, but you didn't understand it.

Simply ask Sterling to

Simply ask Sterling to define Ponzi scheme.

→ Sterling

If he's paid into it, who do you think those repayments belong to?

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Does not everyone who works

Does not everyone who works pay into it; so in turn it is the people’s money. 

→ Sterling

Define "the people"

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

what about those that are

what about those that are collecting without paying into it?

Can we opt out of paying

Can we opt out of paying into those?  Or are we forced to pay into them, regardless of what we actually want to do with our money?

→ GregE

I might be wrong in my understanding, but somewhere I heard you aren't required to pay in if you own the business.

Having never been an entrepreneur myself, I don't know for sure.

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

There won't be any

I don't know about Free, but by the time I retire, there won't be a Social Security check to collect.  Nor will there be a Medicare to benefit from.  Because both programs will have long since gone bust.   

Hence, I am doing what most adults do when confronted with that problem: preparing for it on my own. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

As a young man I realized

As a young man I realized neither would be around when I retired and never took them into consideration when planning for my retirement years.

People who DO take them into consideration will be greatly surprised when they fail.  And they will demand those of us who were wise enough to not depend on them to save them yet again.

Sterling

I answer your question as soon as you give me a factually answer to mine.Why did Obama take contributions from Rezko when Rezko didnt live up to obligations he was paid for.He was suppose to renovate houseing complexs in State Senator Obama's district.I will wait.

You cannot bring yourself

You cannot bring yourself to admit that you support a government program that was based off of European economic planning. 

Sterling

You havent answered my question.Then I will answer yours.

Changing the subject

How does Tony Rezko have anything to do with the current conversation?  Now If you asked I believe the stock market is capitalism then I would answer you.   

Sterling

You asked a question so I asked a question.As soon as you answer mine I will answer yours.

dude what kind of a dipf*ck

dude what kind of a dipf*ck are you? i don't support ss or mc BECAUSE THEY ARE SOCIALISM - i don't think anyone else here is hot on the concepts either...

so am i to understand that you charge us hypocritical to rail against socialism but then cheerlead ss and mc? well we actually don't do that - haven't done since their inceptioin - AND ITS NO BIG SECRET EITHER - so somehow ur an "especially f*cked up" leftard - perhaps we have a trophy for you here somewhere...

But are you going to collect it?

Wow the angry mob mentality comes out.  How very unattractive.

You can pop over to DU now

and regale your DUmmie chums with the story of how the repugs had no defense but hate against your superior logic.

Sterling

You can also regale the DU'ped and the KosKids and the Huff&Stuff'ers how NB is one big "angry mob" silencing your dissenting voice.

Oh right, my bad, it's only TM who popped in in all-bolds, out of about 20 to 30 NB'ers otherwise all treating you respectfully enough, considering you ARE in enemy territory. Sure, JWF may call you an idiot from time to time, and Free does his scorecard thing, but you actually like us here and it's why you stick around and don't feel truly bullied out of debating us with your libtard talking points.

You see? A vast majority of "hate-filled" Repubs are actually very tolerant of dissenting voices. 

Now. Should one of us try this over there, we would INDEED be pummeled by a true, foul-mouthed, name-calling-up-the-wazoo mob in no time. 

 

If a Conservative behaved

If a Conservative behaved on DU or KOS like this twit, they'd be banned.

HuffPost is a little better.  The wouldn't ban someone for these sorts of posts, but they would subject him or her to massive derision.  Any attempts to retaliate would be deleted by the HuffPost moderators.

In fact, speaking of HuffPost moderation, I have found that any post which argues "Justice" Sotomayor is a bigot will be deleted, regardless of how the argument is presented.  They will even redact any quotations of any of Sotomayor's personal confessions of prejudice.  The libs simply cannot debate certain truths.  We cannot let them control any part of the government.

How about these

I heard that angry little weasel running his mouth saying he wants to destroy Larry O’Donnell. 

Ha, you are truly pathetic. 

 

 

So by collecting from a

So by collecting from a program you disagree with but have been forced into paying into your entire working life this makes you hypocritical, how? In this country we can always work for change in the system. until that change takes place we have money taken out of our checks (those of us that work) automatically. Explan please how collecting a small portion of that money back proves a point? Now if we had an option to pay into or not, and we CHOSE to pay into, then complained about it being socialist you would have a point. But as we have no choice? You have no aurgument.

Ponzi scheme.   A pyramid

Ponzi scheme.   A pyramid fraud scheme.

The name was first popularized after one Charles Ponzi, Italian immigrant and confidence man, later ex-convict, deportee, and employee of Benito Mussolini.

There seems to be a lot you don't know. 

Where were you when Al Gore

Where were you when Al Gore wanted to put it in a lock box?

Watching Gore and the rest

Watching Gore and the rest of his party loot the funds while giving lipservice to their defence.

Where were you when the Republicans, recognizing that Congress could NEVER be trusted with this money, tried to privatize a small part of it?

Oh, that is right make this

Oh, that is right make this a partisan discussion when in reality it is about a bunch of people calling everything Obama proposes socialism but cannot even recognize what true socialism is.  Yes, pound your chest and call yourself free marketers while you accept your retirement from the government.     

What Obama is doing is

What Obama is doing is socialism.  It is state controlled and it is redistributive.

While I personally think Social Security is socialism, it does deviate from pure socialism in one important respect:  The tax that "funds" it is a flat payroll tax.  Everyone pays the same rate and all payees who collect receive a payment based upon their contributions.  It is not redistributive.

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 when the Republicans, recognizing that Congress could NEVER be trusted with this money, tried to privatize a small part of it?

Most Democrats were quite busy scare-mongering that if Republicans got their way, the boogie man was going to take away everyone's social security check.

Lock box?

Why'd you have to bring Hillary into this?

How is it possible to put

How is it possible to put any government revenue into a supposed "Lockbox"?

What would be the mechanism for such?

Would the government invest that money in the market at a favorable rate?  If so why not allow ME to invest my funds instead?  I will obviously be wiser.

Would the government simply print money and lock it up at Fort Knox?(Hello Inflationary cycle).

I do not even think you

I do not even think you know what a Ponzi scheme is.

Wow, you're really pathetic.   You're either an idiot, a tween, or both.

Sterling

You sure your name isn't Serling? Because damn it sure seems like you should be living in the twilight zone

"Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket" Erkle Obama '08

OOOOH! OOOH! Let me answer


Tell me is do you believe that Social Security and Medicare is Socialism?
 

I'm sorry to disappoint you, but that is not really a valid  question.  You see, Socialism is a form of government and  economics.  Medicare and Social Security are government  programs.  It's like you asking if an orange is a tree.  They  are in two different categories.  So don't get pissy that no one will answer you question when you don't have the brains to ask it correctly.  No, medicare and SS are NOT socialism, no more than an orange is a tree.

But, I'll play along.  Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, the FDIC, labor laws, and just about every single program and law where government interferes with the private sector could be called Marxist/Socialist programs.   Our economy would fail without some sort of government intervention as monopolies would take over in short order until there would be one megacompany.  Government prevents this sort of thing and puts breaks on businesses when they get out of line.

Is it socialism?  Nope, but it is socialistic.  But saying we are socialists because he have some socialist programs is like saying that Stalinist USSR was democratic because they held elections.

The problem is that after taking over the banks, the auto industry, the insurance industry and now going after healthcare, which is 17% of the economy, Obama's government is heading toward socialism in one big-ass hurry.  It's like he's trying to grab as much control of the country as fast as he can before anyone notices, and well after it's too late.

I hope you found this educational.  It sounded like you needed the help.

 

"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary."

--Ernesto "Che" Guevara

my two cents

Social Security is, essentially, seizing money from me to "invest" in my own retirement. In theory, the more you put in the more you get out. The premise of socialism is that money is seized from the wealthy and passed around to create "economic fairness." A millionaire can give half of their earnings in taxes and still be held to the same rations as a poor person.

That is the difference.

Having said that, I personally think that Social Security is a fraud.

So tell us sterling, how much longer will it be until the government needs "food reform" to see to it that everyone is fed, and we won't be able to complain since we're all on the government teat already?

Personally I do.  So?

Personally I do.  So?

↓ Starling, In your little factoid world all that matters is the

number of words/spewed per minute...

Akin to blinking/rate /per unit time..

Dim dude very dim...

Reagan VS Liberalism

upcountry

I will trade you one blinking for one classic.Life is to short so folks should enjoy it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=645-i_3ZwHU&feature=PlayList&p=8039176EECFFF9BF

↑ well99, Yea good one, wonder if we'll make it to 2013 ?

In the year 2051, no one will ever believe we flew in aircraft.

Aloha age of oil, Man it was a fun ride..

Reagan VS Liberalism

upcountry

To tell you the truth I not sure.Well I hope the replacement comes soon.No more lousy inflight meals.The only good thing about getting old.You get to see how things evolved.

Awww Sterling

Sterling just proves the fact that the democratic underground is missing one of their dummies.  

O'Blowhard!

Forget the Kool-Aid, it sounds like Sterling has been drinking the real hard stuff. PMSNBC's audience (about 17 viewers), has been shrinking for a long time. O'Blowhard always interrupts the guests, and this time got it served right back in his grill! O'Blowhard & PMSNBC are the perfect couple. I wonder if Madcow or Olbercrud will be the best man! It is laughable to see what PMSNBC has become.

Don't be so hard on Sterling

You know he's just baiting people and doesn't really have anything to contribute to a discussion.  It's actually fun to read his writing - the poor grammar and hilarious punctuation, the pretentious statements.  I think he's a hoot! 

I hope he never gets his GED.  It would ruin everything...

Oh my

 I hope he never gets his GED.  It would ruin everything...

 Now that you mention it, oops, seems we are bullying him again

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Well that settles it

You are an idiot.  A Gold Plated moron. 

"I May Be Changed By War, But I Will Not Be Defeated By It" - Audie Murphy

Huh?

Yeah, I think I saw you peddling ladies undergarments in the "backwater" town you talk about.  BTW -- I'll wager your total daily commission (aw shucks it's only $5 but what the hay) on this.  I bet Levin's net worth is about 100 times that of Lawrence "I'm a hater" O'Donnell's.  Besides you, who is the "loser"?

No, apparently you have a

No, apparently you have a crush on him.  Must've gotten dumped by Barney Frank, huh?

I'll answer the basic

I'll answer the basic question, Sterling.

Medicare is socialism.

Social Security is socialism.

They should both be ended by ceasing to allow enrollment, and by allowing people to earn their health insurance guarantee through the same method that my parents did -- they worked for it for 20-25 years, and gained a retirement package with health coverage included.  Retirement should be planned for. 

And barring that, you should have the honor that I have, and be willing to take care of your parents in their old age, should their planning prove to be inadequate. 

I expect that of you, because I refuse to be willingly extorted to facilitate your lazy behavior and bad planning.

I demand that of you, because it is my right to be free of your demands on my earnings -- and congruently, your duty to provide for yourself and your family without hijacking my earnings throughout the course of my life.

You have a right to a retirement -- if you earn it.  You have a right to medical care -- if you earn it.  But you deserve neither if you insist on burgling my earnings potential to get them.

And as to Lawrence O'Donnell, he knows perfectly well that he is changing the subject of debate.  Nobody is discussing Medicare or Medicaid or Social Security, even though all three are or will soon be bankrupt -- much like the current health-care proposal will be within two decades of its inception, and America with it.  None of those programs are a subject of debate, even though their bankruptcy eminently proves the failings of socialism.  O'Donnell's method is to present a pair of unteneble choices to an elected official:

  1. The Republican announces that Medicare et al IS, in fact, socialism; and loses re-election.  Hence, O'Donnell is biased for intentionally setting up Republicans to lose elections via his position in the media, or;
  2. The Republican refuses to answer the question (what happened here) and O'Donnell badgers him into making a logically un-sound argument, which discredits conservatism via discrediting the purveyor(s) of conservatism.  Hence, O'Donnell is biased for intentionally setting up conservatives to lose elections via his position in the media.

I notice that you're not really responding to the charge that O'Donnell is biased.  One doesn't really have to strain the grey matter to understand why.

Geddoudamy site, troll.

Oh, and one more thing: The

Oh, and one more thing:

The fact that Medicare et al is, in fact, socialism, does not change the fact that the current proposal to massively restructure a large percentage of American industry is also socialism.  To quote a reasonably intelligent conservative I met, once upon a time:

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea.

I just got my yearly Social

I just got my yearly Social Security administration report telling me what I'd be paid at retirement.  Second page shows what I've paid into Social Security and Medicare.  It's sickening to see that much money I've had to hand to the government, absolutely SICKENING!!!!  And that was only 20 years.  By the time the next 25 go by, that number will be such that "sickening" will not even come close to describing it!!!!!  But can I opt out and invest that money in ways that I want to for myself?  NO!  That's spelled T-Y-R-A-N-N-Y!

Will you be accepting any

Will you be accepting any social security payments or Medicare?

Assuming he paid into both

Assuming he paid into both programs all his working life, why wouldn't he?

So that others will be free

So that others will be free of his demands on their income.

By not collecting SS and

By not collecting SS and MC, which you have paid into your entire working life, how does that make others

"free of his demands on their income"

Im not sure I understand your statement.

"I demand that of you,

"I demand that of you, because it is my right to be free of your demands on my earnings"

→ Unreasonable, bal

But I'd be happy to negotiate a lump sum buyout of my contract at a discounted rate,followed by an end to the confiscation of my earnings for the remainder of my employed life.

This is something you should be very happy with since the Libs have arranged such a cushy deal for the UAW retirement plans.

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

As I understand your

As I understand your aurgument, then as I have paid into the system as well, then it is my right to be free of your demands on my earnings as well then.

So...you don't want anyone

So...you don't want anyone taking your earnings and getting their medicare or social security, but you're OK to take other people's earnings and getting your medicare and social security?

 

As I have paid into the

As I have paid into the system I am ok taking my earnings, Im not ok with taking others or others taking mine. ---that being said, my obvious preference is a health savings account and a phasing out of SS as we know it. Since that is not likely to happen. Then like I said, since I have paid into it........

*raises hand*

I would love to see this lousy piece of legislation unraveled out of the system but ... crap it would take years and years.  I'd be satisified with the money they've taken .. and heck I know I couldn't expect any interest.  Its not like the government actually shows profit for anything it touches.  Its all just ashes.

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"The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax"  - HR 3200 (Health Care Bill) Pg. 203. Ln 14 & 15

Bal, First of all, if

Bal,

First of all, if President Obama wants to talk about broken systems bankrupting the country, he should start with Social Security.  That said, if 14% of my lifetime earnings are to be stolen from me, I will take back as much of it as I can get -- even though inflation and god-awful government management of my money will have put most of it beyond my reach.  If I am to be looted because of my productivity, I will make the robbers' job as ineffective as possible.

I would much rather you all just left me alone, and allowed me to increase my salary by 10-14% per annum, that I could be able to save and spend my money as I wish.

Also, I'm a few months away from beginning my career in the United States Armed Services.  I will earn my care, outside of the idiotic and unsustainable Medicare system.  You have that option as well -- but you choose, like others, to rob my lifetime earnings to provide yourself medical care.  In my mind, you are a sort of legal parasite, feeding your laziness off of my productivity.

Not to mention, a poor, pitiful troll at NewsBusters.  Seriously my man, why waste your time trolling conservatives?  Go get a job, earn your health care, and earn your self-respect along the way.

Yes. Any other easy

Yes.

Any other easy questions? :D

Also, your question assumes that Social Security will, in fact, exist at the time I become eligible for those payements.  Considering that I am 24 years old, it will most likely not exist at that point.

exactly right, mike

Us young folks know that Social Security is nothing but a charity for old people. We pay our "fair share" into that system and then promptly get to work building IRAs and savings accounts to pay for our own retirement.

 

That's why the fact that my

That's why the fact that my age bracket usually goes leftward drives me absolutely insane.  My generation is literally begging to become cannon fodder for politicians' campaign ads.

If conservatives ever took the youth age bracket, it'd be forty years before we were threatened again.

aye..

how would you start to impress a teen today with the idea of fiscal responsibility?  Especially given how we've failed them so terribly by allowing the liberal agenda to worm its way into the school system.

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"The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax"  - HR 3200 (Health Care Bill) Pg. 203. Ln 14 & 15

Kudos?

petitjean

Why "nterview" a guest if the guest is not permitted to respond? This is worse than rude.  

 

You gotta be kidding me Sterling

That moron O'Donnell did not even let his guess get in one word and just kept asking new loaded questions when his guest was trying to answer the first question. I don't care what party you support, as a jounalist you at least have to pretend to be impartial and give your guest a chance to finish their sentence. 

"I swear sometimes the self-appointed moral police are as obnoxious and demanding of big government interference as "environmentalist" gun control advocates, labor unions and trial lawyers"~fitzfong

Can a pretend journalist

Can a pretend journalist pretend to be impartial?

Elitist snobbery

Well, well, well.  NB's all time biggest elitist snob is back.  

Screaming down a Congressman does not a victory make.  But then, I am talking to a poster who views virtually everyone around him with extreme contempt, and one who believes that sneering condescension and self-declaring victory make great debating points. 

By the way, gimmee the "bumpkins" (you obviously have never been to TX) any day of the week over a horde of self-important elitist snobs.   

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Unsane

"Well, well, well.  NB's all time biggest elitist snob is back."

Does that mean that Sterling is Giles? I get so confused these days. :)

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Odonnell

Odonnell is such an ass hat....finally someone in government told him to his face how ridiculous both he and his network have become....yes!!

Attention - This just in. Sterling is actually posting from hell

  Dispatch from heaven.com

  The Sterling troll is actually posting directly from hell.

  He has been given a choice by beelzebub this night, every night, for eternity -

1. He will spend the rest of the night sucking the pain out of the dingleberry encrusted fat hairy inflamed hemorrhoids of Pol Pot.

or

2. He will make an inflammatory hostile confrontational post at Newsbusters and garner a minimum of 20 impassioned return posts from concerned rational souls, pushing those souls one step closer to snapping and bludgeoning a dirt encrusted hippie liberal, guaranteeing hippie soul for hell.

Looks like he made his quota of return posts tonight. No sucking Pol Pots' hemorrhoids tonight. Congratulations Sterling. You get a vacation. You only have to chew the mold off the corns on Goebbels' hammertoe dog poo covered feet.

  So come on guys, decide what you want for Sterling. Pol Pot's hemorrhoids or Goebbels' corns. Frankly, I will take Pol Pot. Less typing. 

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

It's official.  Sterling's

It's official.  Sterling's on drugs.

Nice that the congressman

Nice that the congressman said what he said, however he should've answered "yes" to O'Donnell's  question.

 

"We see, in private property and in economy based upon and
fostering private property, the one way to make government a durable
ally of the whole man, rather than his determined enemy.
"

Never watched the man before---

--after seeing  this--I will remember and never, ever watch him again.

Always Been a Jerk

O'Donnell has always been a jerk.

BW222

Always been a jerk...

...and might I suggest you're being kind in your assessment. I was thinking a**hole.

"What a revoltin' development this is!"

Chester Riley

I was watching this live

I was watching this live and god was it sweet.  It was painfull to watch ODonnel at first but he sure shut up after Culberson bitch slaped MSNBC.

O'Donnell's nostrils seemed

O'Donnell's nostrils seemed to expand quite a bit at times during that exchange.

Hmmmm

Seems like O'Donnell is doing the exact same thing he accuses the protesters of doing...talking over someone, being disruptive and not letting them answer the question.  Watch out Larry, your own network might start calling you a mob, extremist, violent, disruptive and crazy.

Lawrence!!

Lawrence, Lawrence, Lawrence!!

When you say stuff in three's, people tend to notice more, right?  I just wanted to let Lawrence know that there really was someone on the other end of the rope he was yelling into during this "interview."  It looks as if Lawrence in all his candor, actually thought he was still in the green room warming up when in actuality he didn't hear the producer shout, "we are live Larry, we are live; 3-2-1, go!!

Also, Congressman Culberson actually didn't know the sound was cut off on his end as he thought that Lawrence could hear him but it was painfully apparent that was not the case.  When the hell is MSNBC going to pull their heads out of their asses and get some coordination going between their crews at the network and at the capitol building.  Wasting their viewing public's time as well as the congressman's with this vile practice crap has got to stop!

O'Donnell must have been an

O'Donnell must have been an Honor Student in the Liberal Arts class of "Don't let your opponent speak and you'll win your argument". Is this guy any relation to rosie.

ODonnell

this is the second time in as little as a week that Larry O'Donnell has berated and cross examined a guest. The other was the young woman that confronted Senator Spector at his town hall meeting.

 

Hey Larry....IT DOESN"T WORK....IT PROVES YOU ARE A RAGING JERK> 

Solution; Go on the show.

Solution; Go on the show. When the host keeps interferring, with a smile, unplug and walk out...

.

It'll drive them more rabid.

Why didn't he just answer

Why didn't he just answer the question?

I agree.  He should have

I agree.  He should have said, "Yes, Social Security and Medicare are socialist, and like all aspects of socialism, they were poisonous ideas that created more dependents the less effective they were.  Unfortunately these poisons have consumed the dependents to the extent that cutting them off will destroy the dependents.  We're stuck with these failures.  Having learned from the mistakes of instituting these socialist programs, we should determine not to revisit those mistakes by adding health insurance reform to segments of the economy that were 'solved' by socialism. Or to borrow bigtimer's quote from Andrew Breitbart: 'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea.'"  Now that ought to do it.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

That would be better than

That would be better than the usual politician tap dance.

The first rule of holes,

The first rule of holes, stop digging.

I don't see how that's

I don't see how that's digging a hole, at all.  Instead of dodging a stupid attempt at a "gotcha" question and giving O'Donnell any opportunity to claim a moral victory, you hit him in the mouth with the facts to destroy that weak premise altogether.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

I should have clarified...

My comment was directed at SS & MC programs. O'Donnell was basically saying "Since we have a couple of failing socialist programs, let's add a few more."

If pols go on shows like this they'd better be prepared to bluntly counter the talk-over tactics these so called journalists will employ. Walking off without a countering the blowhards will be distorted into a sign of weakness.

What...Really?

Were you watching the same video as the rest of us? 

 

"I May Be Changed By War, But I Will Not Be Defeated By It" - Audie Murphy

O'Donnell Just Had To LEarn The Hard Way

Note to Lawrence O'Donnell...

DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS!! 

 

"I May Be Changed By War, But I Will Not Be Defeated By It" - Audie Murphy

Sterling

Either you've been mixing the wrong meds or you actually are Lawrence O'Donnell. By the way, Chrissy Matthews uses the same technique: interrupt the answer to try to provoke an angry reaction.

MSNBC

Let's give MSNBC a little credit, O'Donnell doesn't have his own show, after Olbermann, that's a wise programming decision.  This guy has no business doing an interview.  Perhaps they should give him a commentary show on Air America, he won't have to worry about interrupting callers or guests, because he won't get any.  

Election 2008-God's way of showing us that elections count.  

Lawrence

He's actually being considered for his own show don't you think?

Filling in for Ed (seen his rating numbers lately) and now for Chris (seen HIS rating numbers lately) sure looks like auditions to this old boy.

no amount of duct tape

is going to solve this pesky problem.

This man is like Niles Crane on crack.

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"The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax"  - HR 3200 (Health Care Bill) Pg. 203. Ln 14 & 15

With them it isn't about

With them it isn't about what is real ,but what you can pass off to advance the story line.

Do your bit to make the game live for the next shill to keep it in play.

 

 

Why won't the Republican admit that....

...Social Security and Medicare ARE Socialist?  Obviously, Larry was trying to set a trap, but let's call it what it is - socialism.  Do they both believe that SS and Medicare are selling points to support Obamascare, a complete takeover of our nation's health care system?  Marxist media elite and cowardly Republicans...how did we get so lucky?

This is particulary dumb

This is particulary dumb leftist talking point that's now a fave of morons like O'Donnell.

I've noticed it a lot, so I guess theer a website somewhere that instructing the not very bright on how to present "collectivism" as if it's as American as Mom and Apple Pie.

They now attempt to seriously claim that "government" anything is "socialism."  An absurd contention that the fouding fathers would laugh at, as they demanded "limited" federal government, not NO government.

Adam Smith recognized that the government had a role in regulating monopolies.

So don't fall for this line. Throw it back in their potato faces.

You'll hear some particularly dim leftists try to argue that the "military" is socialist. They really are too stupid to live.

Which is ironoc, because with socialized medicine, that'll probabl;y come sooner than later.

Barack Obama voted for a single payer government bad healthcare system before he voted against it!

Thought the same Jack

Their backs are against the wall on this one and they are fighting back the only way they know how. Take everything to the extreme and see how many lunitics grab on

Kathryn Harrold is married to this guy...Why?

Kathryn Harrold is married to this guy...Why?

Kathryn Harrold? Who

Kathryn Harrold? Who she?

Barack Obama voted for a single payer government bad healthcare system before he voted against it!

It's strictly a marriage of convenience...

O'Donnell's only marital duty is to go the 7-11 for milk.

Another enlighted interview on MSNBC

If I was an advertiser on that network with its failing ratings, I would want to know why am I wasting my company's advertising budget dollars to be on this network. After viewing that interview, (that's a stretch) if I owned a company or was a CEO or CFO of a public company I would want to call into question why my dollars are being wasted on that network.

Question for Lawrence O'Donnell

Since legal services can bankrupt families, add so much to the cost of business and medical care, should lawyers be brought under a singlepayer system?

 

Don't Replicate Failure

Let's grant that conservatives made a mistake in the way Social Security and Medicare are structured and as a result they now look like a form of welfare. The amounts deducted from our paychecks should have been called 'old age pension premiums' and 'old age health insurance premiums' and they should never have been refunded through goofy 'Earned Income Credits'. Then those premiums should have gone to a private or semi-private corporation to run the programs. Had Fannie and Freddie been properly regulated by government (yes, a contradiction) they could be a model. 

We lost that debate years ago because liberalism was running wild, with democratics running Congress. Those mistakes and the obvious failures of those programs' operation do not justify making new mistakes by modeling new programs after the old failed ones.

O'Donnell's a jerk, the

O'Donnell's a jerk, the Congressman burned him...

However, Culberson really didn't have a good answer.  

Sure, any government program from the interstate system on up that isn't expressly in the Constitution can be considered to be "socialistic".  Even I don't think that the Federal government can absolutely in no way whatsoever have anything to do with the nation's health care...it's just that this program (like Shrillary's) is cumbersome, doesn't really seem to going to help anyone and will in fact be detrimental to our country.

My answer would have been that not all government programs are necessarily socialist, they generally are inefficient and health care reform can be done without the Federal government having to control it all and without costing hundreds of billions of dollars.

I think that's what he was saying with his 'tentacles' analogy.

One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.

RR

RR,

I agree. Culberson should have said:

"Yes, Social Security and Medicare are socialist programs. However, there are currently huge numbers of people dependent upon them, and there would be tremendous upheaval in the nation if they were completely eliminated. That said, there's a tremendous amount of waste and fraud in both, and they each have funding problems that will become critical in the next ten to twenty years. With this in mind, and the first baby boomers now beginning to receive benefits from both programs, we should be diligently working on solving such problems rather than creating a new government program destined to be similarly unmanageable."  ns

Noel-well stated. Too bad

Noel-well stated.

Too bad that's not the way Democrats think...they have to have the government (themselves that is) in control of every damn thing.

What kind of twisted mind embraces making tons of money for oneself, and decrying others doing the same?  Most Americans still have the false perception that the Dems in government are poor and downtrodden.

I have no delusions about the Republicans.  They are all about making money and care about little else except national security.  They figure if business is good, everything else will fall into place-I tend to agree.

The Democrats pretend to not care about making money, and are always about more government control over society, and whether or not the rest of the world feels good about them.

One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.

Please remember that---

Medicare cxame into being under LB Johnson. Yet another example of the nanny state party. I should not complain since I have been a Medicare client for nine years now.

I had company retiree insuranbce, but then, thanks to LBJ etal, one day, my old company said, "From this day forward, Medicare is your primary".
Hey--don't blame me. My old company took advantage of yet another unintended consequence of a liberal plan that was not well thought out and I'll be damned if I should be stuck with paying for it.

I paid the full amount into SS/Medicare for over 35 years. Had they invested my money in the private market, in spite of the terrible recession, (which may not have happened in the first place without government "help"), I could be collecting a bigger check each month so that I could pay private insurance premiums.

Go away government==let the marketplace do the job.

PS BUT what would happen to those living on a very restricted budget if the gov't went away overnight?? Cushions must be built. Do you trust the Dims to build the cushions/??

              

               Why listen to PMSNBC for any reason?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            

I caught this

I caught this yesterday...Culberson did a grand job of slamming Lawrence/msnbc...he really did.

I was just waiting to see if the was going to unplug himself from the network and walk after the rudeness he was being treated with...I still wished he would have done so towards the end...it would have went viral big time....hehee

Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh

Good for this guy. If Republicans are going...

to show up on these shows where they know they are going to be insulted, impugned and lied about they need to fight back...hard.  Liberals can't take it when someone stands up to them.  May I remind you of Barbara Boxer and the Black Chamber of Commerce guy who exposed her as a cowardly condescending bully on national TV?  It was wonderful!   Jim Webster

O'Donnell is correct - there are big chunks of socialism

Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Food Stamps, other Federal Welfare programs, all subsidies, 99% of US government regulations, the US Postal Service are socialistic or fascistic or monopolistic and are blatantly unconstitutional and ought to be repealed.  Indeed, government schools are a model of democratic socialism with their elected school boards.  80% of what the US government does is unconstitutional.

 The congressman can say this, he believes, and survive politically.  I believe ObamaCare is opening tens of millions of eyes in America.  I believe the congressman can survive saying we need a responsible plan to disengage the Federal Government from our lives and get back to the US Constitution.  We are not a commune.

Culbertson's fellow Texan congressman Ron Paul survives nicely as a libertarian.

 I think the question was

 I think the question was fair and Culberson should have answered it.  "Yes, Medicare and Social Security are socialist programs, and YES, they should be eliminated over the course of a generation as we ween people off of it who have based their retirement and health care planning on it.  They are both Ponzi schemes anyway that have been used to fund non-related big government initiatives.  Both will be bankrupt within 20 years and the result of letting that happen without intermediate plans to scale them back will be catastrophic." 

 

Enforce Term Limits if They Won't:  Vote Against ALL Incumbents in 2010.

msnbc

i`m glad someone finally told msnbc why they suck as a news network,and i use the word (news) loosely.good to have newsbusters out their so we can get the news.cnn ,msnbc isn`t going to tell it.keep up the good work