Pelosi and Hoyer Were For Drowning Out Opposing Views Before They Were Against It

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In an op-ed published Monday by USA Today, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Cali.) and Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Mary.) wrote:

Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American. Drowning out the facts is how we failed at this task for decades.

As NewsBusters reported Monday, a liberal advocacy group called Health Care for America Now published a playbook last Tuesday with the following instructions for its members to counter "the 'tea-bagger' protesters and right-wing activists" showing up at town hall meetings from coast to coast:

Their side will be smaller but noisier. You must bring enough people to drown them out... 

Well, it turns out that Hoyer is listed at HCAN's website, along with roughly 200 other members of Congress, as supporting this organization:

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Maryland
Senator Benjamin Cardin
Senator Barbara Mikulski
Representative Elijah Cummings
Representative Donna F. Edwards
Representative Frank Kratovil
Representative Steny Hoyer
Representative C.A. (Dutch) Ruppersberger
Representative John Sarbanes
Representative Chris Van Hollen 

Why haven't media pointed out this glaring hypocrisy?

On a related note, the Weekly Standard's Mary Katharine Ham identified a similar inconvenient truth concerning Pelosi:

I have a memo from SEIU Local 2001 (the same Conn. district where the original MacGuffie memo originated), which cannot be misunderstood. It was issued this week in preparation for Rep. Jim Himes' town hall in Stamford, Conn.

It's still up, but I did a screen shot, in case it disappears. Here's the announcement:

Action: Opponents of reform are organizing counter-demonstrators to speak at this and several congressional town halls on the issue to defend the status quo. It is critical that our members with real, personal stories about the need for access to quality, affordable care come out in strong numbers to drown out their voices.

Perhaps Pelosi should check with her allies about their tactics before labeling them "un-American" in the future.

Indeed. I guess you could say that Pelosi and Hoyer were FOR drowning out opposing views before they were against it.

Wouldn't it be nice if so-called journalists in America would point this out to the citizenry, or is that asking too much?

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.


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Dems and Reps have switched

Dems and Reps have switched sides on the whole dissent issue. As Jon Stewart pointed out, previously Hannity and others pointed out the "anger" of people protesting the war in Iraq, and others noted how silly they were making themselves look. But now that it's Republicans doing the protesting, it's very American.

Democrats didn't want anyone saying they weren't patriotic for speaking out against the war, saying it was very American to speak out, and applauded anti-war protests. But now they're claiming it's unAmerican to get into these shouting matches at town hall meetings.  

b

b,

I was waiting for one of our liberal posters to say something this stupid!

What bothers folks about anti-war protests is that such activities embolden the enemy and could threaten American lives. Furthermore, as it pertains to such activities during the '60s, we now know that Ho Chi Minh believed the North was losing after Tet. He said after the fact that anti-war activities here, as well as Cronkite's proclamation, are what caused America's defeat.

By contrast, what town hall protesters are doing ISN'T jeopardizing American lives.

That folks don't understand the difference between such protests either makes them ignorant or dishonest...and that's JMHO!  ns

This is what the conservatives are up against

These groups are all over the country community organizing like Obama and ACORN. After the Town hall in Tampa the other day I did some investigating on "Florida Consumer Action Network" FCAN  http://www.fcan.org/ and they are another of these groups out there at these meetings. Unfortunately the State run main street media only reports that the conservative groups are showing up at these meetings when the Dems have been doing this for over 20+ years.

it's not even just that

Most of the anti-war protestors in 03-07 were not just protesting war. They were protesting the fact that George Bush started a war. And, they routinely found excuses to attack our soldiers, from Jesse McBeth to the Haditha Marines.

We had to laugh at them because most times it was funny. They would get 50 people to show up at an event heavily publicized, and the media would gush about what a phemonenon it was.

 

 

Another consideration

Well, there's another concern here that I don't see much discussion about in the media. Namely, people saw the big push to pass a huge bill, without anyone having read it, and the public is angry that the politicians were trying to shove this monstrosity down everyone's throat.

Right now, the anger is being portrayed as an irrational, emotional response by opponents who don't like the contents of the bill. But a huge part of the anger is resentment against the process. People are infuriated that the political class treated this whole topic so irresponsibly. This was a political con job, and the citizens don't like it. They especially don't like it when the representatives show up, supposedly beholden to the public, but who are trying to sell this fraud with outright lies.

  • When your political representative shows up at a town hall and says that we need reform, but then talks about a bill where the costs go up, it provokes anger.
  • When they use the excuse that there is no actual bill on the table yet, but then assure us that the bill won't have anything bad in it, you know he's bullsh***ing you. If there is no plan, how can he guarantee anything? Because we trust them? After they tried to ram it through? That provokes anger.

A big difference in this case is that the Democrats have shown dramatic disrespect for the people. That provokes anger.

KC, All those "soothing"

KC,

All those "soothing" assurances, when they don't even know what exactly's in the thousand plus page bill, where the details and interpretations are being left to be filled in by faceless bureaucrats in dozens of unknown departments with no oversight from anyone (like that would do any good).

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

It's a living document

Excellent point, Chris.

Liberals are the people who believe in the "living Constitution." That is, they want to pass the law, and figure out what it means as we go along. This is the kind of nonsense that we originalists have been arguing about all the time. They're doing it now.

This is not law! Law is an agreement. It's how we work out the social contract. We come to some agreement on some issue, and we pledge to abide by it. That's why it's important to get the details down in writing now, before we officially agree to it.

When you ask for my agreement on a contract, but you won't tell me what I'm agreeing to, and expect to fill in the details by yourself later on ... that's fraud! It's not law.

Agreed, KC. Another

Agreed, KC.

Another tremendous difference between protesting the war and protesting Obamacare, which dovetails your critique with Balboa's comment, is that the MSM fleshed out on a near day to day basis the facts as they believed them about the prosecution of the war.  The public was afforded a plethora of details of policy and action.

With the current healthcare reform bill, the MSM are not investigating and revealing the details of the bill(s).  The MSM's performance is all gratuitous and superficial in reporting the contents of the bill(s), though they do find the time and effort to report details on the opponents of the reform.

The result has been a mirror image performance by MSM in these two critical areas:

  • War coverage was tiltled heavily towards negatives while obscuring or not reporting positives (although seems to have flip-flopped since Obama became president)
  • Healthcare reform is tilted heavily towards positives (and is sparse on facts and details) while obscuring or not reporting negatives.

Yep

Makes you think that the next time Jefferson opens his big mouth about how important the press is, somebody ought to tell him to shut up!

KC: I am not sure what

KC:

I am not sure what you are referring to.  Is it a Thomas Jefferson quote?

If so, there are a number of Jefferson quotes at this link that sound as if he were a modern day NewsBusters poster!

Concerning our trials and tribulations with the MSM, it seems what's old is new again.

Tommy Jefferson

Yeah - that's who the press cites whenever they feel threatened. Especially the one "...were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter."

Bet he wants to take that back, eh?

Sorry, but it's not

Sorry, but it's not stupid. 

There's a big difference between what guys like Hannity were saying then vs. now, not pertaining to emboldening any enemy. 

Same as there's a big difference between how someone like Olbermann characterized war protestors vs. how he characterizes those at town halls.

I can't believe you can't see that. 

I never heard Hannity use

I never heard Hannity use language that suggested the anti-war protesters needed to be silenced. In fact, Hannity went out of his way to defend Bush on this matter, pointing out that his administration never said the protesters were unpatriotic or needed to be stopped. This equivacation is phony.

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Hannity tried to marginalize

Hannity tried to marginalize them by painting them all as angry people, that none of them needed to be taken seriously.

A partisan commentator

A partisan commentator is a far cry from supposedly neutral reporters implying the same thing. Almost suggesting, in effect, that something should be done about it by the government. This is an equivacation that doesn't fly.

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Bal, Pelosi's not Hannity .

Bal, this has nothing to do with Hannity.  This has everything to do with our ELECTED representatives claiming that dissent isn't American, AFTER they spent the last 8 years telling America that dissent IS American simple because they were the opposition!  That's called hypocrisy, on a Congressional level!  As you say;I can't believe you can't see that.

 

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

Cobra, And I understand that

Cobra,

And I understand that point, and acknowledge it. I was merely showing that the left and right have flip-flopped positions about dissent now that different people are in the White House. 

Nom, they haven't.

No, they haven't Bal, as those previous calls of "unpatriotic" were actually few and far between, ESPECIALLY with the Republicans in Congress AND President Bush.  The old claims of unpatriotic behavior was made private citizens.  Some have radio or TV shows, but they are still PRIVATE citizens. They new clams of unpatriotic behavior is being made by PUBLIC members of CONGRESS!  That's another kettle of fish, as they say.

You're trying to deflect criticism of our ELECTED officials by claiming hypocrisy by PRIVATE citizens and insinuate that this is a valid comparison.  But, guess what, Bal, I see through that transparent attempt to deny the hypocrisy of the democrats in office.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

Cobra, I am not trying to

Cobra,

I am not trying to deflect criticism of elected officials. I think it's very fair to criticize them in this case. I agree with that. I've never said "Oh they're not being hypocritical." I didn't deny it. I even mentioned it in my very, first, post.

Your missing the main point (of course)

All the while that the war protestors were protesting none of the conservatives were claiming that they didn't have the right to do it or even that they should not be allowed. They would simply counter their arguments and point out that while our troops were fighting it is not helpful to denegrate the troops as some of them were wont to do.

Now it is the liberals who are trying to PREVENT their oponents from being able to exercise their 1st amendment rights. They DO NOT want to argue or discus, they want to "drown them out".

That is the difference between conservatives and liberals. When someone is saying something that you disagree with or even find disgusting and offensive, the answer isn't to try and stop them from speaking. The answer is to present your ideas as a counter to their's. THAT's the American way. Trying to stop certain kinds of speach is fascist.

Throw 'da bums out!

no incumbent re-elected, with very few exceptions!

www.loyaltoliberty.com

So any conservative you see

So any conservative you see footage of yelling at a town hall meeting, they're just discussing?

Balboa, Excuse me, but

Balboa,

Excuse me, but where in the Constitution does it guarantee the freedom of only quiet and sedate speech? If you're not implying this, then why bother nit picking a word?

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NIt picking useless words/phrases

Is balboa's raison d'etre (reason to be).

There's no point to it whatsoever, it just is....and it's as useless as teats on a boar hog.

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

C'mon, CN. c5then said that

C'mon, CN. c5then said that it was liberals who try to shout down people. But yet we've seen plenty of shouting and yelling by conservatives (and liberals) at these town halls. Let's not act like all conservatives are nothing but reasoned debaters.

And let's be honest: if it's liberals yelling, you play the "over-emotional card", but if it's conservatives, they're "passionate, concerned, frustrated." 

Have you ever attended a Town Hall Meeting?

Bal, have you ever attended a town hall meeting?  They ALWAYS have people arguing, demanding, and, yes, even shouting!  That's a part of the whole process! It's actually how the American Revolution got started!  Claiming that the behavior displayed at town hall meetings is "un-American" is like claiming that the orbit of the Earth around the Sun is "un-newtonian."

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

Bal,

When YOU see this footage, how do you know you are seeing the full context? 

And besides, when even so-called "down the middle" anchors are shouting conservatives down, how do we not respond in kind and still be heard? 

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Spot the Loony!

"So any conservative you see footage of yelling at a town hall meeting, they're just discussing?"

Bal, how do you know they're Conservatives?  They don't wear identifying symbols. Nor do thay hang placards around their necks.  They could just as easily be Liberals, Independents, Communists, or any othe political demographic you can think of.  There's no way to tell! Your assuming they are Conservatives because they oppose the Liberal's Health Care policies, but you know what happens when you assume, don't you?  You make an 'ass' out of 'u' and 'me'.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

LOL

The inanity of the left is really funny. Do they have reasoning brains?

“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons. And will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years.” (Sen. John Rockefeller, Congressional Record, 10/10/02, p.S10306)

With Iraq it would have helped if the donks hadn't voted for the Iraq war. In fact Jay Rockefeller is the only person to say Saddam would have nukes really quick. For your review what some donks said http://www.snopes.co... -- Before they were against the Iraq War of course.

That's bullcrap, Bal. 

That's bullcrap, Bal.  Plain and simple.

Nobody was saying it was unpatriotic to be against the war.  But they were saying it was unpatriotic to lie about our soldiers being murderers and rapists, and to make unsubstantiated claims about the president lying to justify military action!

The fact is, most of the anti-war protesters were not trying to debate the war, they were just trying to ruin Bush.  The proof is in the pudding - where are the anti-war protester now?  We're still in Iraq and Afghanistan (and the Balkans...) yet the protesters are nowhere to be seen.

If you're looking for hypocrisy - look to the left.

come on, Code Pink

Where are you all now, raiding the Capital building to shove bloody hands at Hillary Clinton?

 

No, it's not. MANY people

No, it's not. MANY people said it was unpatriotic to voice opposition to the war. And I'm sure some of the protestors just wanted to stick it to Bush. Are you saying the same isn't happening now? Really?

"Some of the protestors

"Some of the protestors just wanted to stick it to Bush." More like 90% of them.  Hence the absence of anti-war protesters now - even though the war continues. 

Another huge difference is that the charge of "un-patriotism" is now coming from official government sources, not just private citizens and pundits voicing their opinions.

There's no comparison.

are there conservatives protesting the war?

what did I miss? 

___________________________________________ 
"The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax"  - HR 3200 (Health Care Bill) Pg. 203. Ln 14 & 15

There is definitely a

There is definitely a conservative anti-war position, but it's a position based on legitimate concerns over the wise and proper course of action in dealing with terrorism.  As opposed to the liberal anti-war protesters who were not really all that concerned about the war, they just wanted Bush to be tarnished and ruined.

Obama promised to get us out of Iraq and Afghanistan - we're still there - a good friend of mine just deployed - yet I don't see any protests saying Obama Lied- People Died....

Conservatives may be hypocritical on rare occasions, but liberals have the patent on it.

the only concerns I've seen raised

are matters of strategy and putting spending where its needed most.  Other than that - I personally have had no issue with the results.  That's why I was curious.  Thanks mattm 

___________________________________________ 
"The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax"  - HR 3200 (Health Care Bill) Pg. 203. Ln 14 & 15

Smaller but noiser? They

Smaller but noiser?

They pay their people to protest. They bus them. They provide signs and placards for them. They let them into the meeting room ahead of time.

And still, they can't shut up the people.

They are really showing their hand. I hope the 25% of Democrats who are actually reasonable people who actually believe in democracy will be crossing over or sitting out in 2010.

Out-Alinskying Sail Alinsky

They get mad when you do to them ... what they casually and "liberally" do to conservatives, don't they?

There's no point getting mad at them for it. All we can do is keep on, and if they decide to play the game by the rules, then we can start having a conversation. But the ball is definitely in their court.

 

KC, good point, but...

...the town hall protestors cannot claim such a nefarious victory, for the Alinsky-Left is already two steps ahead.

Consider that the protestors are already being countered by other Alinsky principles, of which I can cite at least two:

"Ridicule is man's most potent weapon."

and

"Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."

 

"Let's wrap him up, alright?" -- Keith Olbermann

TERM LIMITS

I'm waiting for the "grassroots" movement for term limits. Thses two are walking ads for it.

BTW--those of us who lived through the Vietnam era know that there is absolutely no comparison between then and now. To begin with, the "protesters" then wanted to hurt America---with the help and support of the MSM. Not so with this "debate".

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

More FCAN

Taken right from their web-site.

I wonder if the same people show up and sit in the front row at all of these town halls.

 Don't forget, 600+ expected and buses available to be taken to Orlando for the state rally.

This is what we are up against and have been for years. It's about time we fight fire with fire.

August 15th: Woodstock Concert @ Skipper’s Smokehouse. We will be collecting petitions.
Week of August 19th: Take part in painting a mural on Monday and Tuesday at the FCAN office (your thoughts on the health care campaign) that will be delivered to Nelson at a rally outside his office on the 19th. Time TBA.

August 22nd: Canvassing with OFA in Tampa and St. Petersburg; Potluck Celebration.
Week of the 25th: Petition Delivery (“Independence from Insurance Companies”) and Enemies of Reform Press Conference. Time/date/location TBA.

August 25th: Health Care Townhall at Tallahassee City Hall.

August 29th: STATEWIDE RALLY in Orlando! Goal: 600+ people. Buses will be available from the Tampa area.

Specter's town hall meeting

Did anyone see the meeting with Specter in PA.  That was something that I wish someone had video posted on utube.  If that stupid idiot thinks he’s going back to Washington he is suffering from dementia.

.

Specter

Ha ha, jackssn.  According to Rahm's brother's theory of allocating care, no health care for dementia patients.

Joke's on Arlen.

And yes, I saw it, what a pathetic performance.  I'll give the man credit though, for having the stones to at least show up.

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

So now...

So now they get points--our electeds--for showing up? I guess--it beats a phoner. I think Glenn Beck may be right--we need a whole new batch, both parties. Oh, that's right--not supposed to watch GB. I forgot.

That's the problem I have

That's the problem I have with Beck. In his righteous zeal and desire to appear apolitical, he lumps everybody together for blame. Sure, many Republicans have forgotten the core philosophy - if they ever had it, but there are some good conservatives in Congress.

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Beck does have some Republicans on his show

He's a big fan of Michelle Bachmann and Bobby Jindal, among others. But he hates the GOP beltway establishment.

 

And that's his disconnect.

And that's his disconnect. He will have on conservative politicians and profess admiration for their committment to their philosophy, but when he's alone, he'll curse both parties without making any exceptions. I like Beck, but he does have a tendency to get so wound up he acts like a verbal sledgehammer. And in his effort to be apolitical he doesn't encourage people to vote for the examples of conservatives he has on - leaving left unsaid, any suggestions for fixing the problems he lays out. He can get kind of bleak...

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Well, Star

That's all I'm giving him credit for...showing up.

The rest of it was pathetic, pandering, and you could see the fear on his face.  He knows he sold out to the democrats, now he is roundly hated by everyone, you could tell he saw his re-election chances circling the drain with every question asked and answered.

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

Father of Handicapped Son Received Threats After Confrontation W

What a great thread showing the difference w/libs vs. cons!  Great replies to the first post!  YES where oh where are the war protesters now?  How telling is that!

On healthcare -- Worth a watch as he is very well stated points; was great! (FOX news interview):

http://www.breitbart...

M-B

If you are talking about the

If you are talking about the one with him and Kathleen Sibelius, it's been posted here and in dozens of other places.  Do a YouTube search for Specter Sibelius town hall.

If you are talking about

If you are talking about the one with him and Kathleen Sibelius, it's been posted here and in dozens of other places.  Do a YouTube search for Specter Sibelius town hall.

Or was it perhaps this one?

mb...a new one

Fox broadcast about an hour of it live today during Megyn's segment.

The crowd wasn't shouting (but there was alot of cheering and booing going on)...but the questions were tough and Specter makes a worse democrat than he did a republican, hee hee.

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

Specter makes a worse

Specter makes a worse democrat than he did a republican, hee hee.

And that's saying something!

No kidding...Arlen's only constituent is Arlen.

A constituency of one? I

A constituency of one? I like it. mb, I think you have the root idea for any opponent's campaign against Spector.  

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jacksnn I saw it and I was

jacksnn I saw it and I was impressed that he did it, Casey has none scheduled.

He showed his ignorance though.  When the woman mentioned the beaurocrats who would decide health treatments he spouted off about choosing your own plan, which was not what she was talking about.  And he seems ignorant about the bill requiring those who vote for the healthcare legislation to be part of it - great bill that one.

I think the people were well informed and well spoken.  What will the left criticize now?

Are there any Republicans

Are there any Republicans having town meetings?  That would be interesting to see.

Hmmm

Interesting point. I think some Reps out here in AZ had meetings--Kyl, McCain--not sure.

I would think that those

I would think that those would be perfect PR opportunities for Republican representatives with a spine.  Oh wait...

Apparently Inglis in South Carolina....

....was hammered pretty good at his town hall last week after he told them to stop watching Glen Beck.

God forbid he give out good

God forbid he give out good advice. :-) 

Down to this

Shut up! No, you shut up! I know you are, but what am I? This is way over the top--all this. And it is letting President Cool claim some high ground. He says all will be clear in September. If we are not good, this means another press conference. So we need to be careful--we don't want that.

        We need to

        We need to thank HCAN for making out a partial list of the elected servants we need to get rid of. Let's hope the full list will be comming out soon.                                     Congress hasn't earned any respect.                                                                                                                                                        

I can't believe the MSM

If the Democrats didn't have this lazy press, they couldn't win an election.  The alphabets are just flat lazy, when it comes to research, unless it's about some right-winger. Hell, they sent 30 reporters to Alaska, none to Chicago.

I'd like to think that the circumstances they're operating under will wake them up one of these days.  The problem is, as Fox News keeps on increasing their viewership and the other cable nets lose theirs, no one has the sense to say, let's do actual reporting on the stories, no commentary, report the whole story, and let the chips fall where they may.  It's no happening, not in the print media, not at the alphabets, no where. 

I'm waiting for one news organization to go to a townhall, write down the questions people are asking and trying to find out the answers.  Instead, they're out there demeaning the protesters and trying to prop-up Obamacare.  It's a joke.  

Election 2008-God's way of showing us that elections count.  

Wouldn't it be nice if

Wouldn't it be nice if so-called journalists in America would point this out to the citizenry, or is that asking too much?

It's not asking too much...but it's asking the impossible when it comes the SRM...after all, for them it's 'don't ask...don't tell' and no one will be the wiser...or so they think.

Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh