On Sunday's "Meet the Press," New York Times columnist David Brooks called comments recently made by Rush Limbaugh insane, and the conservative talk radio host has fired back.
On Thursday, Limbaugh said the following in response to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's (D-Cali.) comments about town hall meeting protesters carrying swastikas:
There are far more similarities between Nancy Pelosi and Adolph Hitler than between these people showing up at town halls to protest a Hitler-like policy.
Brooks apparently didn't like this (video embedded below the fold with partial transcript):
MR. DAVID GREGORY, HOST: Republicans in office and on the airwaves insist the anger is real, reflecting real fears about a government takeover of the healthcare system. But the rhetoric has become extreme.
(Videotape, Thursday)
MR. RUSH LIMBAUGH: There are far more similarities between Nancy Pelosi and Adolph Hitler than between these people showing up at town halls to protest a Hitler-like policy.
(End videotape)
MR. GREGORY: White House advisers say the tactics will backfire against the GOP. But can the president retake center stage of this debate?
And we're joined now by Jon Meacham of Newsweek magazine, CNBC's Erin Burnett and David Brooks of The New York Times. Welcome to all of you.
So, David, that is the question. What's going on here and how does the president retake center stage?
MR. DAVID BROOKS: I hadn't seen the Rush Limbaugh thing. That is insane. What he's saying is insane.
The Washington Examiner's Byron York got the following response from Limbaugh about this:
Everyone seems to ignore that Pelosi started this, saying town hall participants were showing up with swastikas, etc. That's calling them Nazis, as Dick Durbin referred to our Gitmo interrogators from the Senate floor. I've been listening to the left compare George W. Bush to Hitler for eight years. I've been listening to Democrats and the left compare conservatism to Nazis my whole career. This time I responded. In kind, by comparing the radical left policies of the Nazis to today's radical left leadership of the Democrat Party. I'm not surprised they don't like it.
Neither am I.
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Everyone seems to ignore
August 10, 2009 - 08:36 ET by BDEveryone seems to ignore that Pelosi started this, saying town hall participants were showing up with swastikas, etc. That's calling them Nazis, as Dick Durbin referred to our Gitmo interrogators from the Senate floor. I've been listening to the left compare George W. Bush to Hitler for eight years. I've been listening to Democrats and the left compare conservatism to Nazis my whole career. This time I responded. In kind, by comparing the radical left policies of the Nazis to today's radical left leadership of the Democrat Party. I'm not surprised they don't like it.
Masquerading
August 10, 2009 - 08:48 ET by Sergeant ROCKFunny. The MSM is like pro-wrestling... you have a guy playing the part of the 'bad guy', then a few months later he switches to playing the 'good guy'.
So, you can conclude that both are fake.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Hey, Your
August 10, 2009 - 09:01 ET by motherbeltHey, Your Speakerness....Kharma's a bi!ch, ain't it?.
I actually think Rush is wrong on this. I don't think Pelosi was calling them Nazis for carrying Swatsikas...I think she knew that by using that symbol, they were calling obamacare proponents the Nazis, and that's what she meant.
But Rush is a master of turning things areound on the Democrats, and that's what he did here. He took advantage of the Nazi reference to make his own point. And then he acts all innocent.
Don't get me wrong...I like Rush a lot. But I'm not blind to his negative tactics either.
Not fair game then?
August 10, 2009 - 09:04 ET by Sergeant ROCKOnly one problem with your assessment: democRAT policies are akin to that of Nazis. To point that out is not a 'negative tactic'.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
I never said "not fair
August 10, 2009 - 09:09 ET by motherbeltI never said "not fair game."
I just said Rush knew what Pelosi meant and turned it around.
I don't think Pelosi was calling the protesters Nazis, which Rush implied.
Huh?
August 10, 2009 - 09:12 ET by Sergeant ROCKSo, what was the implication by Pelosi? Was her comment about fashion? Artistic form?
You are way too easy on Pelosi and her ilk.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
I think, as I said in my
August 10, 2009 - 09:27 ET by motherbeltI think, as I said in my first comment on this that Pelosi was accusing the protesters of calling Obamacare proponents Nazis, not that the protesters were Nazis.
That's the first time I've been accused of being too easy on Her Speakerness.
Am I also being too hard on Rush?
Yes
August 10, 2009 - 09:33 ET by Sergeant ROCKRUSH is right.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Right about what....Pelosi
August 10, 2009 - 10:05 ET by motherbeltRight about what....Pelosi was the first one to mention swastikas?
That's true. But I still think that Rush distorted what she meant.
And if you read the comments below, I'm not the only one.
And below you said
I misunderstood then. It wasn't that the mobsters were Nazis, but
rather she's upset that she and her ilk are being labeled as Nazis?
That's what I said from the beginning.
I'm glad to see you thought about it.
What you miss though..
August 10, 2009 - 10:13 ET by Sergeant ROCK.. is that Rush illustrates absurdity with absurdity.
And is extremely effective.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Ambiguity
August 10, 2009 - 09:37 ET by KC MulvilleI'd argue that this was a case of journalistic malpractice. When Pelosi made the comment to the reporter, the reporter should have immediately pinned her down. "Are you calling the citizens who disagree with you, the ones who show up angry at the town halls, are you calling them Nazis, Madam Speaker?"
As it was, since Pelosi coldly dismisses any opposition, the media is terrified of challenging her.
I think what she said was ambiguous, and could have been taken either way. My first reaction was to think that she was calling the protesters Nazis, but then I thought she must be reacting to being called a Nazi herself.
Journalistic Malpractice?
August 10, 2009 - 10:46 ET by boomerconSurely you jest, sir!
For of all the instances of JM by the SRM since "the one" came along, this one pales by comparison. It doesn't even rate a tiny blip on the radar of journalistic malpractice.
One must have a basis for comparison for such claims, and other than a small group of ravaged intrepid reporters, the bar is set so low as to virtually eliminate any such claims against the "formerly responsible" MSM.
You got me there
August 10, 2009 - 11:08 ET by KC MulvilleOn the scale of things ...
How many swastikas have you
August 10, 2009 - 09:19 ET by d1carterHow many swastikas have you seen at these townhall meetings?
All they needed was one...
August 10, 2009 - 09:24 ET by SickofLibsAll they needed was one... they have a photo of it, and they are running with it for all they're worth (which isn't much.)
Take your pick
August 10, 2009 - 09:32 ET by Sergeant ROCKI misunderstood then. It wasn't that the mobsters were Nazis, but rather she's upset that she and her ilk are being labeled as Nazis?
Well, either a 'swastika' or a 'hammer and sickle' is an accurate symbol for democRAT policies (See also; Gun Control Act of 1968).
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Are you sure this 'one
August 10, 2009 - 09:35 ET by NL207Are you sure this 'one swastika' was not applied as a derogatory label to the proposed Democrat Policy?
What this Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, Obama's healthcare advisor, says about denying healthcare based on life expectancy is a form of state determination of who will live and who will die. This is exactly what Dr. Josef Mengele was doing when he was screening arriving deportees at Auschwitz: deciding who was going to live and who was going to the decontamination chambers.
The whole notion that the state should have a politburo of some sort that decides who will receive treatment and who will be left to die is the essence of tyranny and the people who support this are no different than any of the other statist thugs and murderers who have preceded them in infamy.
NL: Yes, I read it simply as a derogatory label
August 10, 2009 - 10:08 ET by SickofLibsI was just making the point that this one little protest sign was picked up by the Speaker of the House and used to smear millions as if people were goosestepping around with armbands and wearing Adolf mustaches.
Maybe other signs with swastikas have been displayed, but the scumbags latched onto this one.
Nancy has a mustache?
August 10, 2009 - 10:17 ET by Sergeant ROCKI saw or heard somewhere that someone had a pic of Nancy sporting a mustache similiar to Hitler's.If Hitler is the poster boy for Nationalist Socialism and democRATS propose policies simliar in nature, what's wrong with that?
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
They showed a picture on Fox News
August 10, 2009 - 09:29 ET by nwahsThey showed a picture on Fox News last night, of where that came from. The person is not wearing a swastika, but is carrying a sign with Obama and the swastika on it. That kind of crap invites trouble. Yea, I understand the left did it during the Bush years, but the right is going to have to explain every photo comparing Obama to Hitler. So when Pelosi said people were carrying swastikas, she was factually correct.
Now the other wack jobs on the left completed the image of the protesters being neo-Nazi racists.
Carrying Hitler imagery to rallies facilitates the left.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Funny how the uneducated
August 10, 2009 - 09:33 ET by BKeyserFunny how the uneducated continue to align Hitler's politics with those of the Right when in fact, he was ideologically a fascist which is the bastion of the Left. Not to mention the anti-Semitism (which is just weird since so many Jews are center-Left.)
Hitler is just a ready symbol of evil
August 10, 2009 - 13:26 ET by nwahsI don't see how comparing health care reform , no matter how misguided, to Nazism helps anyone. IMO the person who showed up at the town hall meeting with a poster depicting Nazism is just as much a fool as the people who used Nazi symbols to protest the war. Its a BS comparison. Its a maybe insane but probably intellectually dishonest comparison.
I don't know why Rush would keep harping on this and try to pretend its a good thing to do.
People who believe government should run health care, are not evil (as Palin put it). They don't believe in "death panels" or euthanasia. They just have the misguided notion that government is competent.
I'm in the the minority, but I don't think the hyperbole is helping at all. I guess we'll see.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
shawn
August 10, 2009 - 14:02 ET by BKeyserI'd disagree that Hitler is just a ready symbol of evil. The Left in this country has useds references to Hitler for many years to describe their view of the American Right. Nobody makes Mussolini, Pol Pot, or Saddam Hussein references but clearly they are symbols of evil as well.
Much like racism, the Left has been able to define Hitler's ideology as akin to that of the "right-wing", largely via re-written-history lessons in public school political science classes all over the country. And don't even get me started on the college professors... Rush harping on it (by way of one statement on one show) is actually part of his job.
As for the "death panel" remark- I think its interesting how the Left grabs a hold of a metaphor and tries to sell it as testament. It's an effort to evade the basis of the argument. Same for the "people who believe government should run heath care are not evil" is again making the assertion that she actually said that as opposed to what she really said: "Such a system is evil." Finally, the use of the word "euthanasia" in your context assumes that Palin (and others) are claiming that there is some Progressive platform rung that states "we want to kill people at age ___." What she and others are referring to is the position endorsed by most Progressives that requires reduced spending on people as their usefulness (my word) to society ebbs off- which is completely opposite to the current system which spends more health care money on the elderly than any other age demographic.Withholding these health care funds WILL ultimately cause many people to die sooner than if they were granted them.
I know you're a smart guy shawn, don't get fooled by the Left's diversionary tactics that vere you from the truth.
She affected disabled
August 10, 2009 - 16:01 ET by nwahsShe affected disabled Americans would get less health care as they would be judged less of an asset by an Obama death panel.
Now Neil Cavuto of Fox News is no health care reform proponent nor is he a symbol of liberalism. Even he stated that was over the top and muddying the water.
I'm sure under the reform proposed, certain types of care will be denied in specific cases. But that happens NOW. Not to get personal, but I do know of a situation where a young child had a benign tumor removed from her brain stem. After the surgery, the insurance paid for a certain amount of physical therapy. When that limit was reached, no amount of pleading from the child's doctors or parents would change that. The parents had to pay for the extended physical therapy out of pocket, and it added up to about $15,000. These people could afford it. Other parents would have been out of luck or in debt. The child's doctor said she would benefit from long term physical therapy. The insurance company's doctor disagreed. As unfair as it is, it isn't remotely like a death panel, and there's no call for that type of talk.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
shawn
August 10, 2009 - 16:09 ET by BKeyserI'm not going to argue with you if you don't pay attention! (lol)
There are examples of people not getting the absolute best possible care. There are examples of insurance companies who have violated what I would call decent practices. There are examples of all kinds of things that would make people want to correct the system in general. That's the point. However, the Progressive method is one that will increase these deficiencies, rather than improve on them and people inherently know that. As I stated in my previous post, the "death panel" reference was clearly for effect, but ultimately describes her concern for what the Democratic Health Care agenda would lead to.
Your starting to exhibit some of the Obama thin-skin.
I'm paying attention
August 10, 2009 - 18:59 ET by nwahsI just don't agree with you that death panel references are a good way to create an effect. Thats not what it is. Its a panel that decides which care is beneficial in a large number of cases, and those type of panels exist already in insurance companies. If anything else the government runs is an example, the government's panel will probably be incompetent. But to affect that these types of panels are intrinsically evil is ridiculous. I don't care who runs health care, these panels are going to exist, and people for various reasons are going to be denied health care.
In which way am I exhibiting Obama thin skin? I don't understand that.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
"After the surgery, the
August 10, 2009 - 16:47 ET by ckc1227"After the surgery, the insurance paid for a certain amount of physical
therapy. When that limit was reached, no amount of pleading from the
child's doctors or parents would change that. The parents had to pay
for the extended physical therapy out of pocket, and it added up to
about $15,000."
So then, they weren't denied care, were they? It won't be that way when government runs the show. Government ultimately will be the payer and provider of service. If they say "no", the answer is no. That's why it's akin to a "death panel".
If an insurance company says "no", you have options. You can appeal the decision, you can sue if you were wronged, and *gasp* yes, you can pay for it yourself. Oh the HORROR!!
They also had another option...they could have said no to the extra physical therapy. It was an option, not a necessity.
"Other parents would have been out of luck or in debt."
Shh...don't tell anyone, but....it's ok to borrow money to pay for medical bills if you must. If people can borrow money for all sorts of trivial things, I think it's ok to do so for something important like health care.
Speaking of the insurance company here, sounds to me like they covered what they were supposed to cover. The policy covers x amount for physical therapy, and they paid that amount. Of course they didn't pay more. If you buy a $100,00 life insurance policy, it isn't going to pay out $115,000 because that's how much you need to pay off all your bills.
You missed the point
August 10, 2009 - 19:04 ET by nwahsYou missed the point. The point is panels employed by insurance companies decide which health care is beneficial to which people and some people are denied health care as the panel decides its not beneficial. This is the exact thing Palin was calling evil. Well those "evil" panels exist today, and you seem quite eager to defend them.
I suspect you're acting like a tough cowboy today.
You seem ignorant of the difference between life insurance and medical insurance.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
who pays for them right now
August 10, 2009 - 19:06 ET by katainkentand who dictates their content?
___________________________________________
"The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" - HR 3200 (Health Care Bill) Pg. 203. Ln 14 & 15
Nazism = "National
August 10, 2009 - 15:55 ET by bretzysdudeNazism = "National Socialism"
Universal Health Care = "National Socialism"
Hmmm...
Thanks bretz
August 10, 2009 - 16:10 ET by BKeyserexactly my point.
nwahs,
August 10, 2009 - 19:06 ET by R D HelmGo back and study what happened to health care in Germany during the Wiemar Republic, and later, under the Nazis.
I don't think you will like what you find, particularly when you compare it to what the ObamaCare bill actually says.
The parallels are striking, and not a little scary.
-Dave
If it's CommieCare you want, then move to Cuba.
So we're not debating sensible health care reform
August 10, 2009 - 19:18 ET by nwahsWe're guarding against the Third Reich.
Gotcha.
So do you think the GOP's outline will enable the Third Reich ? How close will it come to enabling the Third Reich? Just around the corner?
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
"Death panels" might be the
August 10, 2009 - 19:23 ET by balboa"Death panels" might be the funniest Palin line ever.
It's only funny until
August 10, 2009 - 19:31 ET by Free StinkerIt's only funny until someone you know has to appear in front of one of those panels.
I'll hold my breath until
August 10, 2009 - 19:34 ET by balboaI'll hold my breath until they occur. [sharp intake of air]
What death panels? (h/t -
August 10, 2009 - 19:36 ET by Free StinkerWhat death panels? (h/t - ckc1227)
Those are all in another
August 10, 2009 - 19:44 ET by balboaThose are all in another countries, right?
Until we get ObamaCare,
August 10, 2009 - 19:45 ET by Free StinkerUntil we get ObamaCare, right?
Ah, so this "death panel"
August 10, 2009 - 19:48 ET by balboaAh, so this "death panel" thing is not based on something that has occurred here rather on how a foreign government has screwed up their health care. And as we all know, anything that happens in Britain, if we do something similar, it'll turn out the exact same way!
(Sorry, I'm watching "Psych," and the silliness is creeping in to my posts.)
I'm not willing to risk
August 10, 2009 - 19:49 ET by Free StinkerI'm not willing to risk it.
Boa, you need to read about
August 10, 2009 - 19:58 ET by NL207Boa, you need to read about this vermin. He thinks government should deny treatment to sick elderly people because it is a "poor social investment". How do you suppose such a policy will be implemented? Some sort of treatment Politburo?
Bal: Surely you
August 11, 2009 - 07:40 ET by BDBal:
Surely you understand that any governement program will lead to rationing?
If you do not, I welcome you to the Military Clinics I go to when required, or the VA clinics that will soon replace them for me when I officially retire. All governmental service is based upon rationing as increasing the market is impossible on a finite budget.
And rationing will necessarily lead to something akin to the "Death Panel" even if it is named something else.
I have a proposal for congress. Have them give up their very adequate health insurance program and reapportion that money to the DOD medical services budget. Then pass a law that forces all 500+ members of the legislative branch and their dependants to utilize the DOD Healthcare system in their districts for all services.
You would see socialized healthcare SCREAM to a halt overnight.
Singular
August 10, 2009 - 09:38 ET by Sergeant ROCKIt was a 'swastika', not 'swastikas' as Pelosi stated.
She was obviously trying to paint the whole crowd as carrying swastikas.
Oh, and your moral equivalency falls flat. One swastika against the thousands used by the left against Bush is hardly one washing out the other. Nice try.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Of course she's going to milk it
August 10, 2009 - 09:58 ET by nwahsI wouldn't expect her to clear it all up for those opposed to her. Thats why its important to be consistent in one's message. If you're going to run with questionable theatrics, you are just begging to be ambushed by a plant. A similar thing happened on this board just yesterday. An obvious plant posted vulgarity. No one tried to find acceptable nuances in his actions. He was just gone.
The appropriate response to Pelosi talking about that sign was, "that sign was uncalled for , an isolated incident, and could have been a plant to disrupt protesters message. We're not fighting Hitler, we're fighting government run health care" Thats it, end of story, no attachment to Hitler signs. Instead Rush ran with the sign.
Good for his show, not good for clarity.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
well you have to understand
August 10, 2009 - 15:11 ET by katainkentwhen the unions pass out posters - everyone gets one! It's an understandable mistake ;)
___________________________________________
"The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" - HR 3200 (Health Care Bill) Pg. 203. Ln 14 & 15
"So when Pelosi said people
August 10, 2009 - 15:09 ET by ckc1227"So when Pelosi said people were carrying swastikas, she was factually correct."
If it was only one person carrying a swastika, she was factually incorrect.
There is a picture of one
August 10, 2009 - 15:34 ET by nwahsThere are reports of others. In fact, 2 opponents of health care reform were just on Neil Cavuto on Fox News, and they told a story of person carrying an Obama/Hitler sign. After the meeting, this same person was passing out information about the proposed health care reform. He was a plant.
As I said in an earlier post, doing anything but rejecting these dubious theatrics , derails the message ( the government is incompetent to run health care) and opens the opposition up to plants.
I also like that fact that Neil Cavuto criticized Palin's remarks as being over the top. Most of America doesn't like this health care reform. There's no plus in alienating them by acting like kooks, or affixing other agendas to the health care debate.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
nw... Wished I could have
August 10, 2009 - 15:42 ET by bigtimernw...
Wished I could have caught that, my other half is watching something else.
By the way....one thing anyone with a brain that has been around politics and the leftist tactics know full well they are using plants, same as these supposed tons of death threats....well, it shouldn't take long to track all that BS down either...wanna bet it's the left or congress-critters buddies doing a lot of this themselves.
Oh and of course we cannot forget the Soros/Rahm/Georgie S. etc daily talking points they spew to the msm daily...and this is just what this is.
NOT going to work.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
I live in a banana republic
August 10, 2009 - 19:33 ET by nwahsI live in New Orleans ( closest you can get to a third world country on US soil) and anytime a politician gets in trouble, they divert attention with reports of death threats :)
Its hard to figure how someone could possibly make a death threat that couldn't be traced with the technology today. Virtually every form of communication is fingerprinted.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
"I also like that fact that
August 10, 2009 - 16:19 ET by ckc1227"I also like that fact that Neil Cavuto criticized Palin's remarks as being over the top."
If true, then sadly, Neil's reading comprehension is as bad as yours.
Speaking of death panels? What death panels?
Yea
August 10, 2009 - 19:19 ET by nwahsI know, he got the job that rightfully belongs to you..
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
As The Bias Turns...
August 10, 2009 - 08:51 ET by AgentAmerican...or like a soap opera? Sometimes one of the key characters turns bad...
2010: A GOP Hill
David Brooks Works for
August 10, 2009 - 08:49 ET by Jack BauerBrooks is a....
August 10, 2009 - 08:54 ET by sam12663total sellout. He was a weasel as a conservative, and now he is a total weasel as a conservadembot. He and Kathleen Parker are so irrelevant at this point, they can only be seen on NBC programs, where they don't even see that they are being used as dupes to defame conservatives. They have no relevance at all.
President Obama is nothing more than a lying empty suit; a Hollywood style special effects smoke and mirrors show that has shown itself to be a total fraud.
WAKE UP AMERICA! SAVE OUR CONSTITUTION!
Montage
August 10, 2009 - 08:57 ET by sarainitalyI put together a little montage of Bushitler type attacks you might like to see.
http://tinyurl.com/lq57s6
I got the idea after a newbusters post about msnbc talking about the joker poster.
http://tinyurl.com/le8krj
The Hitler stuff started years ago, so Pelosi et al just need to can it.
Nicely done, Sara
August 10, 2009 - 09:09 ET by BlondeI hadn't seen much of the Palin montage....I love the silence of the media. Complicit jerks.
I hope he fails, too.
http://retardedbaby....
August 10, 2009 - 09:25 ET by SickofLibshttp://retardedbaby....
pure evil
August 10, 2009 - 09:36 ET by sarainitalyThat is truly awful
Charming
August 10, 2009 - 09:39 ET by BlondeLeftists are so enlightened.
Disgusting.
I hope he fails, too.
UFB
August 10, 2009 - 11:08 ET by kdizzydazeThey have got to be F***ing kidding themselves with that crap.
So, that is the level we've reached of political discourse in this country?
Sad but typical of the left. But it bears asking the question, why are they so afraid of her - or mad at her for that matter?
Nice work
August 10, 2009 - 09:36 ET by nolotrippenNice work
thanks ya'll!
August 10, 2009 - 10:22 ET by sarainitalyit was quite a dirty task rummaging around in that filth.
Simply fantastic. Sara
August 10, 2009 - 10:13 ET by SickofLibsI hope you don't mind, but I downloaded the high-res and will use it as my sign at the next Tea Party I attend.
One side will be the Obama-Joker with title "BLASPHEMY"
The reverse side will be your great montage with title "FREE SPEECH"
You'll be accused of astro-turfing
August 10, 2009 - 10:19 ET by BlondeYou know that, don't you?
What with a professional looking sign and all.
I hope he fails, too.
I'm going to out myself...
August 10, 2009 - 10:30 ET by SickofLibs... I'm going to include a 2" border of astroturf around the perimeter of the sign. And I mean it.
What would be funnier is..
August 10, 2009 - 10:36 ET by Sergeant ROCK.. if people started showing up with signs saying the AARP, SEIU, etc., are opposed to Obamacare.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
I was thinking.....
August 10, 2009 - 14:42 ET by Blonde"Astro-turf MY ASS!"
I hope he fails, too.
right on!
August 10, 2009 - 10:20 ET by sarainitalyI would love to see the pics after the event. :O)
They showed him half the story
August 10, 2009 - 09:02 ET by nwahsSomething else is going on here, and its just another example of NBC's unethical journalism. David Brooks should have known Nacy Pelosi's comments started this, and that protesters are regularly being called racists by obscure wack jobs on the left. But its obvious he didn't know that. Had the Hitler comparisons emerged in a vacuum, it would have been insane, but in the context of Pelosi's comments, its something else.
This is the exact problem with tit for tat rhetoric. Pelosi's comments were deplorable. The right gives her a little tit for tat and the media twists it into deplorable behavior on the right.
From what I see, Brooks was shown half a story and asked to respond. Yes, Brooks should have known it was a half a story, but I don't think he did.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Yeah it was a setup, but they were all in on it
August 10, 2009 - 09:54 ET by OuttaMyWayeveryone knows 1 line, does not a context make. Nothing before or after? Mr. Brooks "did not hear it before" but will form an opinion based on just that? he (mr. brooks) could be calling himself a nazi if he does not know what the context is.
Based on the events of last week, there was a good case made for the nazi propaganda machine being the Big Media. Therefore my case is he eagerly taking part in spreading the word of the government, without proving otherwise.
The report format
August 10, 2009 - 09:11 ET by KC MulvilleThey've created a standard format when reporting on the protests.
The rhetorical tactic is obvious: highlight the extreme criticism, and then portray all of the criticisms as part of the same extreme. You can then wave off all of the opposition by lumping it all under the same extremism.
The media is actively distorting the criticisms, and actively promoting the White House.
By the way, every single media report has been from the Democrat perspective. How many Republicans have been interviewed about what they think of the protests?
Hmmm?
August 10, 2009 - 09:17 ET by DragonsbreathMR. DAVID BROOKS: I hadn't seen the Rush Limbaugh thing. That is insane. What he's saying is insane.
So since you have not seen it, that makes you qualified to respond to it? Never let the facts confuse you..
“Less 1984 — More 1776"
He's just following the lead
August 10, 2009 - 09:30 ET by motherbeltHe's just following the lead of The First One...don't have all the facts but it's fair to say the police acted stupidly.
I don't think now is the time efor a nuanced campaign
August 10, 2009 - 09:36 ET by nwahsI don't think now is the time for some intricate, winding, nuanced gimmick to fight the current reform package. Its too easy to write people off as nuts. Now is the time for bluntness. The government can't run schools and it sure as heck shouldn't try to run health care.
How about leaving Hitler in the grave?
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Leave Hitler in the grave
August 10, 2009 - 09:47 ET by KC MulvilleI like that one. I'm stealing it, of course.
I also agree that, double-standard though it may be, we shouldn't be giving the media any ammunition to portray us as nutcases. You have to play it smart.
On the other hand, these last few weeks have been a prime case of liberal fascism, as Jonah Goldberg calls it. They've played the politics of fear. They've been manipulating the media to cast their opponents as evil, fake, paid henchmen, etc. They tried to pass laws without examination or scrutiny. They're openly admitting that their strategy is to find a scapegoat, where insurance companies are standing in the place of Jews.
I'm conditioned to believe that any charges of Nazism or fascism are always just insults hurled in anger ... but what else do you call it? This is exactly what Goldberg meant by liberal fascism.
NAZI!
August 10, 2009 - 09:54 ET by Sergeant ROCKActually, liberals are only inclined to make such statements when their tactics are turned against them. For instance, the statements made by Hillary about protesting against the government, but now that they are in charge, dissent is verboten!
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
A small correction
August 10, 2009 - 10:06 ET by KC MulvilleSomeone just told me that officially, Hitler has no grave. His staff tried to destroy his remains with gasoline in a nondescript ditch. But the Russians took control of the city, and the bunker, that very night. Stalin didn't want a grave because he didn't want any memorial to Hitler later on.
I still like the phrase, though.
Hmmm
August 10, 2009 - 10:53 ET by StarAZNow there are some facts!
Pesky facts
August 10, 2009 - 11:18 ET by nwahsHow about, lets leave Hitler in the dirt?
:)
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
So Rush's response is "The
August 10, 2009 - 09:36 ET by balboaSo Rush's response is "The Democrats did it first"?
Kinda lame.
That being said, no one should use the tired Hitler cliche.
You're right. "Hitler" is
August 10, 2009 - 09:37 ET by nolotrippenYou're right. "Hitler" is too specific. A simple "Fascist" should suffice.
Sorry--Star's rule applies
August 10, 2009 - 10:16 ET by StarAZWhoever brings up Hitler first automatically loses. Period.
I sure wish that every
August 10, 2009 - 10:38 ET by Chris NormanI sure wish that every conservative in America could get together and sponsor a public request to David Brooks and Kathleen Parker to stop posing as concerned conservatives on national media.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Pseudo-Conservatives
August 10, 2009 - 10:44 ET by Sergeant ROCKThe last time I saw something like this I sent an e-mail that demanded they cease and desist from calling themselve's a conservative.
I didn't get a response.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
We need a full page ad in
August 10, 2009 - 11:17 ET by Chris NormanWe need a full page ad in the NYT.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
I'd help pay for that.
August 10, 2009 - 11:18 ET by katainkent___________________________________________
"The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" - HR 3200 (Health Care Bill) Pg. 203. Ln 14 & 15
Me too!
August 10, 2009 - 11:23 ET by Sergeant ROCKBut can we see if we can get some 'stimulus' money first?
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
I agree 100% with
August 10, 2009 - 11:10 ET by jessieHI agree 100% with Rush. Pelosi started all of it with her idiotic comments. She blames everyone but herself. Hust like she did with the CIA. The woman is insane. Congress doesn't deserve any respect.
jesse-"...The woman is insane..." It just might be the result
August 10, 2009 - 14:08 ET by Cape Conservativeof all that poison she's been having injected in various parts of her head! (And from recent pics, I assume she'll come back all 'refreshed' after her summer recess)
Where is the media??? Why are there NO reports on this Speaker's LACK of substance during her 'reign'???? Why are there NO investigations into her unsubstantiated charges against the CIA? Why are the media SILENT on the 8 jets she's adding - when the Defense Department is against it?
WHEN THE LAST NAIL IS HAMMERED IN THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA'S COLLECTIVE COFFIN, I WILL CHEER!!! And I hope they are walking around wondering WHY!
This comment comes from a proud Tea Party attendee, otherwise designated by Homeland Security as a Domestic Right Wing Terrorist! It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue ~ Sam Adams
Define Insanity
August 10, 2009 - 11:50 ET by AvitarOne definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different out comes.
This applies two ways.
First, with twenty odd countries paracticing socialized medicine and a declining health in all of them advocating socialized medicine is by the above definition insane, unless your purpose is to do the American People harm.
Second, voting for a moderate and expecting them to improve is insane. There is another old saying about those with no enemies have no friend. This is true if those on the left, like David Brooks, do not hate your congressman then he or she is not your friend.
Meet the Press?
August 10, 2009 - 11:50 ET by FlatlinerI used to watch Meet the Press when Russert was host. But as NBC when further and further left, I went more and more exclusively to Fox News. It just got to the point I couldn't stand to hear the one-sided spin offered on virtually all of their "news" (sic) shows. I know the libs like to spin Fox as right wing, but they DO have liberals on their shows, and they do make a better effort to show both sides of issues.
That said, I turned on Meet the Press Sunday for the perhaps the second time since Gregory took over. Just in time to see him introduce this 3 person panel. My first thought was "Jeez, someone from the NYTs, Newsweek and CNBC. This won't be good." And it wasn't. It went right to calling Limbaugh insane. With no one suggesting a common sense counter-point to this loon's bombastic insult.
I like to think Russert wouldn't have had 3 left wing loons addressing this issue. But if he did, I suspect he would have made an effort to offer a counter-point. But Gregory fits the mold of NBC's brand of "news" (sic). Which is why Meet the Press and NBC News (sic) is going down the tubes.
Baring a bailout from Obama, NBC and the rest of the MSM all deserve their falling viewership and relevance.
I'm still waiting for and
August 10, 2009 - 12:38 ET by black47211I'm still waiting for and hoping for Obama to take Rush's invite to sit down and debate.
It would be...gosh, I don't even know the word to desribe it!...monumental. Yeah, monumental.
Long Live the Republic!
pelicanmarsh68.blogspot.com?
August 10, 2009 - 12:41 ET by katainkentsounds vaguely familiar...
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"The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" - HR 3200 (Health Care Bill) Pg. 203. Ln 14 & 15
Opportunity knocking
August 10, 2009 - 12:45 ET by Sergeant ROCKIndeed. Obama could once and for all demonstrate that he is the messiah by turning Rush into a serpent. Or otherwise smite him with a wave of his hand.
I think that you are looking at a Tyson vs. Spinks more than anything else.
*snicker*
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
True story, indeed! I
August 10, 2009 - 13:01 ET by black47211True story, indeed! I picture Rush being polite and welcoming, and then he begins to ask questions that the president cannot answer without his teleprompter. The sweat begins to form on Obama's brow, and...
Hmm...now that you mention it, I guess it would be like watching Tyson vs. Spinks.
No way he would ever do it,
August 10, 2009 - 14:56 ET by balboaNo way he would ever do it, no way he ever should. There's nothing to be gained by any president by going on a pundit's show.
bal - and WHAT can be gained by going on Jay Leno?
August 10, 2009 - 19:33 ET by Cape ConservativeThis comment comes from a proud Tea Party attendee, otherwise designated by Homeland Security as a Domestic Right Wing Terrorist! It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue ~ Sam Adams
Easy publicity?
August 10, 2009 - 19:40 ET by balboaEasy publicity?
How is Nancy Pelosi saying
August 10, 2009 - 14:45 ET by 24enakHow is Nancy Pelosi saying town hall participants were showing up with swastikas, etc. that is a fact that some, not all, do show up portraying Obama as Hitler. Unless she directly said, providing quotes, that these protesters are Hitler like, or Nazi like.
Wouldn't the town hall participants have started this by showing up with Nazi signs comparing Obama to Hitler in the first place?
Radical leftist protesters have compared Bush to Hitler in the past, which was also wrong and over the line. But the difference is, unless someone can prove me wrong, I don't think the 'mainstream' media ever compared Bush to Hitler or Nazis. Rush Limbaugh is followed by millions and he has constantly compared Democrats to Nazi, and Hitler.
It would be nice to qualify "I've been listening to the left compare George W. Bush to Hitler for eight years. I've been listening to Democrats and the left compare conservatism to Nazis my whole career." How about some examples, some quotes.
That kind of rhetoric is insane, no matter which political party says it.
Is idiot painful. We don't know. You do, right idiot?
August 12, 2009 - 14:27 ET by JWFHow is... - Idiot started out asking a question, but, you know, never actually got around to actually, you know, asking one. Questions have question like characteristics and end with question marks idiot.
Unless she directly said, providing quotes, that these protesters are Hitler like, or Nazi like. - Huh? Are you saying your sister Nancy should provide quotes? Are you making demands on us to provide quotes? Only idiot knows.
But the difference is, unless someone can prove me wrong... - Again. Making demands. I am idiot, prove me wrong. Idiot has a big opinion of idiot, don't idiot?
How about some examples, some quotes. - No one on this site is getting paid for this. Idiot. Stop making demands. We are not your google monkey. You got a point. Make it.
That kind of rhetoric is insane... - Stick to idiot, it suits you better.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Who Started This?
August 10, 2009 - 15:06 ET by slickwillie2001Didn't the democratics open the door to comparison of the Bamster to fascists when they made campaign posters like the famous 'Change' poster in the style of 1930's fascist socialist and communist socialist propaganda? There are stunning similarities between the campaign graphics of Mussolini, Hitler, and Stalin and that of the Bamster. If the democratics didn't want to stimulate comparisons of their candidate to the totalitarians of the 1930's, why did they open that door?
Because no matter how
August 10, 2009 - 15:39 ET by ckc1227Because no matter how fascist they behave, we're not supposed to call them on it. Don't you know it's not helpful to let people know that Democrats are behaving this way? It's much better to stick our heads in the sand, and pretend something else is going on.
No, it serves no purpose to
August 10, 2009 - 15:42 ET by nwahsNo, it serves no purpose to adopt behavior you abhor.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Well I'm Ithe little Red rooster
August 10, 2009 - 23:49 ET by general companySo who cares what you think? not me!!!!
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
hey slick
August 10, 2009 - 16:08 ET by katainkentI think we have a historical map - and on it is a place we don't want to go again and yet here we are on the interstate and there are signs saying "150 miles to that place you don't want to go" and no one wants to look down and the map!
I want to turn the car around before it says "last rest stop"
I don't care about who started it. And I guess I am too young to abhor the use of the word. What I care about is - are we ignoring something because its too terrible to think we could be that stupid again. What did the English compare Hitler to before there was Hitler? What did their signposts say? (wingnut accusation mandatory refutation addendum : no, I don't think we're looking at something as extreme as gas chambers and genocide)
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"The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" - HR 3200 (Health Care Bill) Pg. 203. Ln 14 & 15
Robert Reich on letting seniors die..
August 10, 2009 - 15:48 ET by Gary HallFormer Clinton Labor Secretary Robert Reich lecturing students about the need for single payor, at UC Berkeley 9/26/07 (my bold and my comments in ( ) ):
Any questions?
(;~/ gary
I heard poor pretend to be
August 10, 2009 - 16:12 ET by bigtimerI heard poor pretend to be NYTs/msm token conservative yesterday morning, I knew Rush would most likely respond today...and he did.
Funny he stated an opinion regarding something he hadn't even heard.
Typical leftist.
Seems O did the same not that long ago, rather 'stupidly.'
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
brooks
August 10, 2009 - 16:30 ET by east tennessee johnWell David, not knowing all the facts you decide to blame the conservative. Were your hands between your legswhen you made this great decisiopn and did they find anything to hold on to? You give the term conservative a bad name and like Parker and Noonan, we'll just have to fumble around without you 3 "guiding lights." How does it feel to be enitely used and useless. Conservatives laugh at you and your sponsors look upon you as a useful idiot at best.